Super Mario All-Stars is getting (another) NA release (this time on Wii)

[MarioMania]

October 21st in Japan, I hope it comes here

[buzz_n64]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D This might seal the deal on me finally buying a Wii! :D

[MarioMania]

I'm thinking of getting a used Wii..I have to get my PS3 out of layaway first

[Rickstilwell1]

Do you have a link? What is it exactly? A download or physical disc?

[PSony]

Super Mario Allstars on a disc.

[Emuaust]

People are excited about a barebones port of Mario Allstars? I mean you are seriously going to justify a purchase of a Wii just to play Mario Allstars?

And this sounds perfectly sane to you?

[Sothy]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D This might seal the deal on me finally buying a Wii! :D



Or you know shell out 6$ for the same game on SNES....


Good news though! They do have a Twilight game for Wii!!!!
..Sadly it has to do with Zelda and not sparkly vampire guys.

[j_factor]

This should really be an $8 Virtual Console title if anything (you know, since it is an SNES game). A disc collection should really be every Mario game up to Mario 64.

[Leo_A]

This should really be an $8 Virtual Console title if anything (you know, since it is an SNES game). A disc collection should really be every Mario game up to Mario 64.

Considering they're selling things like Super Mario 64 for $10, Super Mario World for $8, the four NES versions of the contents of Super Mario All-Stars for $21, set to sell Yoshi's Island and other classic titles as 3DS titles, etc., it's obvious why none of that would happen.

They're not about to devalue the NES versions by selling a updated release for less then half of the price the 4 NES releases would cost to purchase. And they're not about to release a comprehensive collection that includes all classic Mario content for a fraction of the total price they're recieving through individual digital downloads.

This is coming to disc because it's the only suitable means of earning money off this asset (They don't want to devalue the NES releases on the VC by selling this for $8, or more then double the price of a SuperNes release on the VC by matching or exceeding the $21 total for the NES releases) without damaging Virtual Console sales and without customers feeling cheated like a $20+ download would make them feel.

It's little more then a physical extension of the Virtual Console program.

[poloplayr]

Seriously, the cover/boxart is giving me a hard-on. Just beautiful.

[portnoyd]

We're so not getting that packaging if it comes to the US.

[Dr. Dib]

This comes with more than just Super Mario All-Stars. It includes a DVD that has a feature about the history of Mario and a CD with songs from Mario games. Is it still worth $30? That's up to you. Will it come to America? Probably not.

On Ebay these are selling for $80 if anyone is wondering, which I now realize is odd since it isn't out yet. Play-Asia seems to be planning on selling this as well.

[Sailorneorune]

It probably won't come out here, which is a shame. I love Super Mario All-Stars, and have the SNES version cart only, but I also like artbooks and back stories on the games I love.

IIRC, the Metroid series is also having its 25th anniversary here soon - next year. I'd flip for Super Metroid on the DS and a 25th anniversary book.

I'd love to see Nintendo partner with a company to release some art collections in English, much like Capcom is doing with Udon (even if there are delays, like with the Ace Attorney artbook).

[buzz_n64]

Or you know shell out 6$ for the same game on SNES....


Good news though! They do have a Twilight game for Wii!!!!
..Sadly it has to do with Zelda and not sparkly vampire guys.

I have the game for SNES, Super Famicom, and the one with Super Mario World, now I want this! I'm a Mario fanatic.

Haha about the twilight joke, hope you enjoy being a smart-ass jerk, I've already explained this issue before. Can't we all just get along?

[Leo_A]

It's confirmed for Europe.

I'd be surprised if we don't see it released here. I imagine we'll be seeing a release confirmation from NOA sometime this week.

[Cornelius]

I know a lot of people had been pining for this since it was released in Japan. Looks like we are getting it in NA Dec 12.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/66223

[kupomogli]

SMB3. A demake of a remake of a remake of the original. SMB1. A port of a demake of a remake of a remake of the original. SMB2. A demake of a remake of a remake of a completely different game than the original. SMB2tLL. A port of a remake(All these are based on US console releases only.) Who wouldn't want to throw $40 on a group of games that has more copies out there than any game in existance?

Yay! I'm buying the same game for the fifth time on a different console! So worth $40! Daaaay one puuurrrrrchaaaaaase!!!

I guess Nintendo is glad they can milk the same game for 25 years and people are still stupid enough to buy it again at a premium price.

[Bojay1997]

SMB3. A demake of a remake of a remake of the original. SMB1. A port of a demake of a remake of a remake of the original. SMB2. A demake of a remake of a remake of a completely different game than the original. SMB2tLL. A port of a remake(All these are based on US console releases only.) Who wouldn't want to throw $40 on a group of games that has more copies out there than any game in existance?

Yay! I'm buying the same game for the fifth time on a different console! So worth $40! Daaaay one puuurrrrrchaaaaaase!!!

I guess Nintendo is glad they can milk the same game for 25 years and people are still stupid enough to buy it again at a premium price.

It's only $30, it's actually on a disc as opposed to being a download and it includes a slip case, a soundtrack and an art booklet. Not a bad deal if you ask me, especially if you don't have your SNES or NES hooked up and still like playing any of the games.

[megasdkirby]

Kupo, it's only $30 :P

I will get it only because I have a feeling it will be become rare. Can't explain the feeling, but I agree with that the article said when comparing with Metroid Prime Trilogy.

Still, $30 is not a bad price.

[goatdan]

I just don't get how they can not include Super Mario World in this. Or, for that matter, the Super Mario Land games. The Mega Man remakes get *all* of the Mega Man games, the Sonic remakes get a whole bunch of titles on each, the Mario remake has to be the exact same as the first version published 16 or 17 years ago, but with a soundtrack?

I mean, I guess Nintendo can do it because that's what Nintendo does, but at some point I feel like this is a total rip off.

[NayusDante]

If it came with an art book, it might be worth it. Art BOOKLET, not so much. You're basically paying the usual $8 SNES VC price for Mario All-Stars and $22 for a soundtrack/remix album. Not terrible, but not great by any means.

[kupomogli]

I mean, I guess Nintendo can do it because that's what Nintendo does, but at some point I feel like this is a total rip off.

Would you really expect anything less from Nintendo?

[Garry Silljo]

Would you really expect anything less from Nintendo?

Bitching any and every time Nintendo makes a dime ..... would we expect anything else from you?

[buzz_n64]

People, this is good, support it! Fight DLC!

[joshnickerson]

I shall respond to this news just as any red-blooded American male would...

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Jisho23]

I just don't get how they can not include Super Mario World in this. Or, for that matter, the Super Mario Land games. The Mega Man remakes get *all* of the Mega Man games, the Sonic remakes get a whole bunch of titles on each, the Mario remake has to be the exact same as the first version published 16 or 17 years ago, but with a soundtrack?

I mean, I guess Nintendo can do it because that's what Nintendo does, but at some point I feel like this is a total rip off.

Man, if it had all the Super Mario Land games then we'd be talking.

[heybtbm]

$30?

Zelda collection for Gamecube was free. Just saying.

[Leo_A]

Zelda Collection cost the price of a Nintendo Power subscription or a $79.99-$99.99 GameCube bundle. I remember Wal-Mart having the bundle on sale for $80 on Black Friday, which is how I got it instead of subscribing to a poor magazine for the chance to get the game while supplies lasted.

Wasn't something that was free for most of us that normally don't subscribe or already owned a GameCube.


I just don't get how they can not include Super Mario World in this. Or, for that matter, the Super Mario Land games. The Mega Man remakes get *all* of the Mega Man games, the Sonic remakes get a whole bunch of titles on each, the Mario remake has to be the exact same as the first version published 16 or 17 years ago, but with a soundtrack?

You don't get it? Fire up your Wii, click on the Wii Shop channel, navigate to the Virtual Console portion and then to the SuperNes section. You'll find Super Mario World already sitting there for $8 waiting to be purchased and downloaded. There's no reason to give it away as a freebie since it's been selling in the thousands as a digital download for $8 and this disc is already going to sell very well without spicing it up by tossing it in, leaving Nintendo with absolutely no reason to include it.

And Super Mario Land 1/2 are coming to the Virtual Console on the 3DS so they certainly wouldn't be given away as a freebie through inclusion on this compilation.

[Bojay1997]

Zelda Collection cost the price of a Nintendo Power subscription or a $79.99-$99.99 GameCube bundle. I remember Wal-Mart having the bundle on sale for $80 on Black Friday, which is how I got it instead of subscribing to a poor magazine for the chance to get the game while supplies lasted.

Wasn't something that was free for most of us that normally don't subscribe or already owned a GameCube.



You don't get it? Fire up your Wii, click on the Wii Shop channel, navigate to the Virtual Console portion and then to the SuperNes section. You'll find Super Mario World already sitting there for $8 waiting to be purchased and downloaded. There's no reason to give it away as a freebie since it's been selling in the thousands as a digital download for $8 and this disc is already going to sell very well without spicing it up by tossing it in, leaving Nintendo with absolutely no reason to include it.

And Super Mario Land 1/2 are coming to the Virtual Console on the 3DS so they certainly wouldn't be given away as a freebie through inclusion on this compilation.

Actually, sales on VC have been relatively poor in general, which is why Nintendo uses it as a dumping ground for old games without any effort at all to improve them. While I will be purchasing this, I am very sympathetic to those who see this as yet another money grab by Nintendo. I enjoy Nintendo games and frankly the Wii, but while they have always taken chances on the hardware side, they sadly seem content to keep repackaging and reworking a small group of IP generation after generation. I am also very disappointed in the total lack of effort on the SMB 25th anniversary DSiXL and Wii. Other than being red and having a logo on the cardboard box, the Wii package is completely unremarkable. Similarly, the DSiXL comes with an old game totally unrelated to the original SMB series (other than the obvious shared characters) instead of the more relevant NSMB and other than a few small black logos, it is a stock DSi XL. Of course, people seem more than willing to throw their hard earned money at Nintendo for the same thing they have already purchased many times before even in these difficult economic times. I guess they really do have a genius business model.

[Jorpho]

SMB3. A demake of a remake of a remake of the original.Oh, fine, I'll bite. How exactly did you arrive at this?

[Leo_A]

Oh, fine, I'll bite. How exactly did you arrive at this?

This collection is a rerelease of a remake. I'm not sure what he's thinking. And what the heck is a demake (He was constantly using that term along with remake in his post)?


Actually, sales on VC have been relatively poor in general, which is why Nintendo uses it as a dumping ground for old games without any effort at all to improve them.

It wasn't in the earlier days. Just do some searching, Nintendo several times lauded the success of the program and it's sales numbers during the first couple of years of the console. Or check out the Nintendo Channel and see how many unique SMW buyers and other major first party game buyers have logged into the service.

You'll find that in North America alone, at least 317,680 people have purchased Super Mario World (Yielding over 2.5 million in revenue for NOA at very little cost, not bad for a 20 year old property). And that's just the North American numbers and just those that have logged into the Nintendo Channel after purchasing and playing the game at least once. And they're not just buying it for nostaglia and playing a level or two, the average buyer has spent over 11 hours in the game.

It wasn't until most of the major first party releases were used up and WiiWare become Nintendo's focus that things slowed down.

[Gameguy]

Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection was released at $19.99 and contained over 40 games including all of the Phantasy Stars, Shining Force games, and Golden Axe games including the 3rd one which never came out in North America.

Even when the earlier Sonic Mega Collection collection came out for the PS2 it included the Game Gear titles as a bonus.

What's the excitement over this Mario release with 4 games? It doesn't even have the original NES versions which I find is stupid considering it's supposed to be celebrating the history of the games. I don't get people rationalizing that this release is priced well when there have been so many better compilations for much better prices than this.

[heybtbm]

Zelda Collection cost the price of a Nintendo Power subscription or a $79.99-$99.99 GameCube bundle. I remember Wal-Mart having the bundle on sale for $80 on Black Friday, which is how I got it instead of subscribing to a poor magazine for the chance to get the game while supplies lasted.

Wasn't something that was free for most of us that normally don't subscribe or already owned a GameCube.


The Zelda Collectors Edition was free if you registered 2 games and a Gamecube on Nintendo.com. No purchase was necessary. Most people got it this way.

[Leo_A]

The Zelda Collectors Edition was free if you registered 2 games and a Gamecube on Nintendo.com. No purchase was necessary. Most people got it this way.

I'll admit to having forgotten that. But I doubt most got it that way. Only a select group of games qualified for it (Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario Party 5, Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga, and 1080 Avalanche). I bet more people got it through the Nintendo Power promotion.

I remember only getting Double Dash at the time (Wasn't interested in the others, although I've since fallen in love with the various Mario rpg's). Explains why I bought a second GameCube instead to get it (Also needed a second controller anyways at the time and always liked having a spare console around, so it was a decent deal at $80).


Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection was released at $19.99 and contained over 40 games including all of the Phantasy Stars, Shining Force games, and Golden Axe games including the 3rd one which never came out in North America.

Even when the earlier Sonic Mega Collection collection came out for the PS2 it included the Game Gear titles as a bonus.

What's the excitement over this Mario release with 4 games? It doesn't even have the original NES versions which I find is stupid considering it's supposed to be celebrating the history of the games. I don't get people rationalizing that this release is priced well when there have been so many better compilations for much better prices than this.

Because they don't need to.

The difference is many of Nintendo's first party classics are still strong enough to stand on their own years later, that's why. They're not bundling in large numbers of their games in compilations because they don't need to in order to sell them. If people weren't buying standalone rereleases of Nintendo classics with every subsequent generation of Nintendo systems, I'm sure they'd resort to creating compilations to entice people. But they're selling very well on their own merits yielding Nintendo far more money being sold individually then if they sold just a handful of compilations. Look at their GBA library for example. A huge percentage of their first party GBA lineup were remakes of earlier titles and they sold in the millions.

And the entire reason this collection is a retail release instead of a Virtual Console release is because there's too much value packed into this release. They were never going to sell Super Mario All-Stars on the Virtual Console for anything approaching the standard price of a SuperNes title because it would've killed the NES downloads. This way allows them to preserve the value of the original NES titles because they've sold well and continue to do so (Which is why they're not on here as a freebie, they want people to pay $21 on the VC for the NES versions) and also make money off Super Mario All-Stars.

Releasing it as a retail title solves the problem. It's allowing Nintendo to justify the higher price of what is just a SuperNes release at heart (Can you imagine the uproar if a 3,000 point download suddenly appeared on the Virtual Console?) and protecting the value of the original NES downloads on the Virtual Console. This is allowing Nintendo to continue to make money off their NES assets and also make money off this asset without one damaging the other.

Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection actually cost $29.99. Was a great collection and a great value though. I'd love Nintendo to do such a thing of course, but it just doesn't make any business sense for them since they're doing so well with their current model of rereleases.

[kupomogli]

Oh, fine, I'll bite. How exactly did you arrive at this?

I was thinking that SMB3 has the extra red coins added into Super Mario Bros. 2 on the original Super Mario Bros. Advance. I looked it up and it seems that it's just a port.

With SMB2, it's a demake because they remade the remake and then they removed the extras off the newer version.

[Leo_A]

I was thinking that SMB3 has the extra red coins added into Super Mario Bros. 2 on the original Super Mario Bros. Advance. I looked it up and it seems that it's just a port.

The GBA versions of SMB2 and SMB3 were ports of a remake with a fwew slight changes and enhancements.

But this Wii release is just an emulated version of the original remakes from 1993 or so (Super Mario All-Stars). It isn't a remake of a remake.

[theclaw]

I just don't get how they can not include Super Mario World in this.

That's because the updated All-Stars adding Super Mario World wasn't released in Japan. We're getting what they are for this collection.

Not that anyone should care, the English-only new content was terribly bland. Another save slot and slightly touched up Luigi weren't much...

[swlovinist]

SMB3. A demake of a remake of a remake of the original. SMB1. A port of a demake of a remake of a remake of the original. SMB2. A demake of a remake of a remake of a completely different game than the original. SMB2tLL. A port of a remake(All these are based on US console releases only.) Who wouldn't want to throw $40 on a group of games that has more copies out there than any game in existance?

Yay! I'm buying the same game for the fifth time on a different console! So worth $40! Daaaay one puuurrrrrchaaaaaase!!!

I guess Nintendo is glad they can milk the same game for 25 years and people are still stupid enough to buy it again at a premium price.

Nintendo is offering a value product at a reasonable price. They are offering this on physical media. Nobody gives a crap about your Nintendo bashing.

[Gameguy]

Because they don't need to.
I'm sure it will still sell fine and bring in a ton of cash, and the general public would like it as they probably would only have a current console. I'm just wondering why people on this forum(full of collectors) are excited over this, most people on here would have several systems with the SNES easily being one of them. Why would anyone on this site be excited over this? It's not even a portable release for the DS or DSi. "Because they can get away with it" isn't enough of a reason for me to consider this to be a good deal worth buying.

I guess I was wrong about the pricing for Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection, I just went with the list price from Amazon. It's actually being sold for less than that now, but the list price is at $19.99 and several reviews on the site also said it was $19.99. I know it was more in Canada when it came out, at least $29.99 like you said. If I had a current system I would get a copy of it, there's really a ton of great games on it. I really like the Genesis. :)

[Leo_A]

I'm not sure why I'm interested in it, since I have a SuperNes and the original cartridge sitting right here.

I think most of it is because I enjoy seeing classic games I love get attention through rereleases.

There are also some practical advantages to it. I like the save state feature of Nintendo's emulator, I like the clarity that playing through component video brings to my favorite classic games on the Virtual Console, and I like the convenience factor of not having to switch to a different system if I decide while I'm playing on my Wii that I want to play a older favorite game. And my copy of Super Mario All-Stars has always been a little cranky since day 1 (Losing some saves while others are left intact).

And it's always interesting to see how these rereleases turned out (Seeing what was done right, what needed work, and checking out any bonus content that might be included).

[Bojay1997]

This collection is a rerelease of a remake. I'm not sure what he's thinking. And what the heck is a demake (He was constantly using that term along with remake in his post)?



It wasn't in the earlier days. Just do some searching, Nintendo several times lauded the success of the program and it's sales numbers during the first couple of years of the console. Or check out the Nintendo Channel and see how many unique SMW buyers and other major first party game buyers have logged into the service.

You'll find that in North America alone, at least 317,680 people have purchased Super Mario World (Yielding over 2.5 million in revenue for NOA at very little cost, not bad for a 20 year old property). And that's just the North American numbers and just those that have logged into the Nintendo Channel after purchasing and playing the game at least once. And they're not just buying it for nostaglia and playing a level or two, the average buyer has spent over 11 hours in the game.

It wasn't until most of the major first party releases were used up and WiiWare become Nintendo's focus that things slowed down.

There are 36 million Wiis in the US. 317K download sales is terrible. There are tons of games released on the NES and SNES they could add, but they have no interest in going after minimal returns. Heck, even Nintendo has admitted in interviews that the VC was less successful than they had hoped and that they have basically stopped support for it. Nintendo loves WiiWare because just like Microsoft and Sony, they can charge a percentage to third parties to sell stuff at zero risk to themselves.

[swlovinist]

I'm not sure why I'm interested in it, since I have a SuperNes and the original cartridge sitting right here.

I think most of it is because I enjoy seeing classic games I love get attention through rereleases.

There are also some practical advantages to it. I like the save state feature of Nintendo's emulator, I like the clarity that playing through component video brings to my favorite classic games on the Virtual Console, and I like the convenience factor of the download (Can play a game like SMW anytime I'm playing on the Wii without switching systems or getting a cartridge out). And my copy of Super Mario All-Stars has always been a little cranky since day 1 (Losing some saves while others are left intact).

And it's always interesting to see how these rereleases turned out (Seeing what was done right, what needed work, and checking out any bonus content that might be included).

This is exactly why I am getting this when it comes out.

[Leo_A]

There are 36 million Wiis in the US. 317K download sales is terrible. There are tons of games released on the NES and SNES they could add, but they have no interest in going after minimal returns. Heck, even Nintendo has admitted in interviews that the VC was less successful than they had hoped and that they have basically stopped support for it. Nintendo loves WiiWare because just like Microsoft and Sony, they can charge a percentage to third parties to sell stuff at zero risk to themselves.

That's been a huge success, they're selling hundreds of thousands of digital copies of games that were developed and paid for years ago at a very low cost to themselves. That Super Mario World download must have a huge rate of return on their investment. Most retail games costing hundreds of thousands to develop on the Wii would love to see sales performance like that. All it cost Nintendo to release a game like SMW on the VC is a ESRB review fee (I've heard $5,000 for the ESRB to review a smaller digital release like these), a few hours of employee time preparing a small mini virtual manual, a couple minutes of employee time uploading the game, and the server cost to host the downloads). The vast majority of that 2.5 million in sales that we're aware of for SMW in North America is profit.

And there aren't tons of games released on the NES and SuperNes that they could add if they wanted to. The vast majority of Nintendo's library has been released on there with few exceptions (Games with outside licensing cost like Earthbound, games the emulators don't currently support like Super FX titles, etc.).

Again, things have slowed down. Most of the big hitters were released years ago leaving a trickle of often mediocre 3rd party releases from companies supporting the program, and Nintendo has refocused their efforts on WiiWare. But the Virtual Console was doing great for several years back when games like Super Mario World were released on it (10 million Virtual Console downloads during the Wii's initial 12 months on the market). Nintendo themselves have proclaimed the success of the program during the earlier years of the Wii and have even credited it's success for inspiring them to delve further into digital distribution with WiiWare in such things as the following interview. Because the program is doing poorly these days while companies like Koei release their products on it is no reflection of how it was performing in the earlier days when games like Ocarina of Time were being released on it.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6185358.html

And Super Mario World earned 2.9 million for Nintendo in 2009 alone (Excluding Japan and Korea even) years after it originally was released on the Virtual Console, with the program itself bringing in $66 million in revenue (In a year with far fewer VC releases then previous years and despite them giving away hundreds of thousands of VC downloads free to those that purchased the internet browser).

http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1071420p1.html

Clearly Nintendo was never just going to give away Super Mario World needlessly since there's millions to be made off it selling it digitally, which you disagreed with so much and which I think I've now proven.

The VC is declining since most of the very popular releases were released early in the program's lifecycle and Nintendo's focus has shifted towards WiiWare, but that doesn't make it a failure and I've never seen Nintendo even hint that it was.

And I think the appearance of a similar program on the 3DS that is going to sell GameBoy/GameBoy Color content and a second service on the handheld that will sell 3d versions of classic Nintendo console content is proof positive that Nintendo thinks they hit something worthwhile and profitable with the Virtual Console that they plan to continue.

[joedick]

I will get it only because I have a feeling it will be become rare. Can't explain the feeling, but I agree with that the article said when comparing with Metroid Prime Trilogy.



Though they're billing it as a 'limited edition' it's still going to sell in excess of a million copies. In the end, it'll probably end up being worth more than most wii games, but probably less than the $30 it's gonna cost.

[goatdan]

Okay, first of all it's always fascinating to talk about *anything* Nintendo, because I guess as many of the responses in this thread show, there are generally two ways to think about Nintendo - you love *everything* they do, or you hate *everything* they do.

I fall in the middle. I think they do some great things, and some stupid things. Having said that, a few quick points:

- On low VC sales of stuff -- this is more of a decision about how the Wii stores data I think and less of a show of interest. By giving the systems no internal memory and no way to access external memory simply until recently (I think?), once you bought your games and the internal was full, you were generally done.
- On paying a premium -- Yup, Nintendo's properties can do this because generally consumers are oblivious enough to buy based on Mario and nothing else.
- On the package itself -- If this had Super Mario World on it, or if this had Super Mario Land 1 / 2 on it, of if this had the original Super Mario Kart on it, or even the educational Mario titles that no one would ever buy individually, I'd buy it. Hell, even Donkey freaking Kong would be something. But, I own these four games already on two systems and a Game Boy. I'm going to vote with my dollars that Nintendo should spend the minimal investment to add some sort of extras for people and not buy this.

I am generally a Nintendo fan. I don't like being felt like I'm getting ripped off.

[pepharytheworm]

^^^^
Its pretty easy not to feel ripped off, don't buy it. They can't rip you off if you don't buy it.

But I will enjoy my collection and play the music cd everyday in my car till my ears bleed, not really, though I will get it on release.

[Bojay1997]

Okay, first of all it's always fascinating to talk about *anything* Nintendo, because I guess as many of the responses in this thread show, there are generally two ways to think about Nintendo - you love *everything* they do, or you hate *everything* they do.

I fall in the middle. I think they do some great things, and some stupid things. Having said that, a few quick points:

- On low VC sales of stuff -- this is more of a decision about how the Wii stores data I think and less of a show of interest. By giving the systems no internal memory and no way to access external memory simply until recently (I think?), once you bought your games and the internal was full, you were generally done.
- On paying a premium -- Yup, Nintendo's properties can do this because generally consumers are oblivious enough to buy based on Mario and nothing else.
- On the package itself -- If this had Super Mario World on it, or if this had Super Mario Land 1 / 2 on it, of if this had the original Super Mario Kart on it, or even the educational Mario titles that no one would ever buy individually, I'd buy it. Hell, even Donkey freaking Kong would be something. But, I own these four games already on two systems and a Game Boy. I'm going to vote with my dollars that Nintendo should spend the minimal investment to add some sort of extras for people and not buy this.

I am generally a Nintendo fan. I don't like being felt like I'm getting ripped off.

That's exactly how I feel about Nintendo and this release as well. I enjoy a lot of what Nintendo does, however, moreso than any other video game company, they milk every last dollar out of their fans for the same IP over and over and over again. Heck, even their VC program is designed to basically guarantee that whatever console they release next will require the user to repurchase everything they have bought on the VC. I would love for Nintendo to take bigger risks with new IP on the software side, just like they embrace risk on the hardware side. Unfortunately, they almost never do.

Having said all that, I am sure this will easily do a million or more units this holiday season. I agree with Gameguy though, as sophisticated consumers and collectors, we should be smart enough to recognize this as a pure cash grab and not a value at all. Of course, then we'll probably all end up buying it anyway, but at least we won't pretend that Nintendo is doing us a favor or fan service, which they aren't.

[Richter Belmount]

Meh already got it on super nintendo

[portnoyd]

Wow, what a copout. So much more you could put on it. Oh well, expectations with Nintendo are set to low, as always.

[goatdan]

Of course, then we'll probably all end up buying it anyway, but at least we won't pretend that Nintendo is doing us a favor or fan service, which they aren't.

I've already decided that I won't buy it, but I just feel like this is such a wasted opportunity. I love good 2D platformers more than any other genre. I bought my Wii the day that I first was New Super Mario Bros for it. I will probably buy Donkey Kong Country returns day one. Beyond that, I own like four other Wii titles and have little interest in anything else, and rarely play it.

I guess I'm just disappointed that Nintendo has this great ability to make games in the genre that I really love, and they have re-released the first the same amount of times than they have made sequels to it (not including the Land series) -- NES, SNES, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, and now Wii. Sequels are 2, 3, World and New Super Mario Bros DS / Wii. Is it too much to ask that instead of giving me the original game every five years, give me something new?

[frogofdeath]

Still debating on whether or not I am going to purchase this one. I have the original All Stars, remakes of SMB for GBC (probably the best remake) and SMB2 in the form of Super Mario Advance. Plus, I have two copies of the original Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 for the NES, with a downloaded copy on of Super Mario Bros for the Wii (I picked this one up pro-bono).

As much as I would like to see the GameBoy games included, I'm not sure Super Mario Land would be worth it. It's not really that great of a game and there would have to be some major overhaul of the graphics besides just converting it to color. However, I too would love to see a rerelease of Super Mario Land 2. If they just added color I would be happy. While short, it's still one of the best Mario games out there. Oh well.

[The 1 2 P]

Still debating on whether or not I am going to purchase this one.

I'm also debating. I also have the original SNES All-Stars cartridge and the Nes SMB 2 and 3 carts. I really don't want to get this but I have a feeling that when they discontinue it(most likely next year) the price will start to creep up like Metroid Prime Trilogy did.

[starchildskiss78]

Count me in as one of the ones who will gladly get this on the day it comes out, despite the fact I own all three original games on the NES and already own the game for SNES. I think the extras packed in justify the purchase. Besides that, I can play it on my Wii without having to dig for the cords that go to my SNES.

I have admittedly been rabidly following this since it was announced in Japan. I put my $5 down at Gamestop this evening. Can't wait until Dec. 12th...

[BetaWolf47]

You know, with this Mario anniversary merchandise coming, I'm more confused about the limited edition DSi XL having Mario Kart DS bundled with it. I guess that's because they already bundled New Super Mario Bros. with the limited edition Mario Red DS Lite two years ago.

I do like the red Wii though. Wish I had waited until there were better colors than boring, unimaginative white. I can honestly say that the only thing I want out of this is the soundtrack.

Gotta love the crowd here though. "We're not getting the red Wii or the Mario compilation in the US? WTF Nintendo?!" Then "We're getting the Mario compilation and a crappy red Wii? WTF Nintendo?!" XD

[joshnickerson]

Gotta love the crowd here though. "We're not getting the red Wii or the Mario compilation in the US? WTF Nintendo?!" Then "We're getting the Mario compilation and a crappy red Wii? WTF Nintendo?!" XD

Welcome to the internet.

[heybtbm]

Gotta love the crowd here though. "We're not getting the red Wii or the Mario compilation in the US? WTF Nintendo?!" Then "We're getting the Mario compilation and a crappy red Wii? WTF Nintendo?!" XD

"The Crowd"? Talk about a strawman.

[Buapo]

Regardless of the fact that they're leaving out plenty of games (which I understand, as to maximize profit on those other games), they should have at least included the ability to play either the original NES versions, the All-Star versions, or the GBA versions. That wouldn't have ruined their profits on those games, and it would have given you more choices.

Christ, they're advertising the original sprites to SMB, when they're not going to be anywhere in the game?

Also, it should be noted that Super Mario World was once bundled with all the NES games once.

[Jorpho]

Also, it should be noted that Super Mario World was once bundled with all the NES games once.Yes, yes, several people now have commented on the existence of SMAS+W. (Indeed, it is much more correct to say that it is Super Mario All-Stars bundled with Super Mario World, and not SMW bundled with the "NES games".)

[buzz_n64]

I also prefer the NES versions of these games over the SNES versions, would be great if they included these, but they won't. I guess it's to celebrate Mario All-Stars, and not Super Mario Bros. lol

[Rickstilwell1]

Count me in as one of the ones who will gladly get this, despite the fact I own all FOUR original games on the NES and already own the game for SNES. I think the extras packed in justify the purchase. Besides that, I can play it on my Wii without having to dig for the cords that go to my SNES.

Gotta love the SMB2j repro :)

[starchildskiss78]

Gotta love the SMB2j repro :)

Color me corrected...I forgot Lost Levels is...well....from Japan, lol. I have the THREE original games from the U.S. on NES. (Guess I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep, huh?)

[DuckTalesNES]

I would have actually preferred if they put the GB games on it and Super Mario World and then charged at the $50 price range. It would be cool to get the whole collection.

[Gameguy]

When All-Stars first came out they bundled the 3 previous releases together, added a then Japanese exclusive, and upgraded the graphics 1 generation better. At the time it would have well been worth the cost to buy it even at $60+. Since then 3 generations have passed, couldn't they have just rereleased All-Stars but upgraded the graphics to current generation? Forget converting it to 3D, just update the graphics more.

This isn't just a rerelease, it's supposed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Super Mario Bros. They could have done something special besides nice packaging and a soundtrack. Even if it would have been priced higher, they could have done something better than this. I actually like Nintendo but this stuff really bothers me, it just seems really cheap of them.

[kupomogli]

This isn't just a rerelease, it's supposed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Super Mario Bros. They could have done something special besides nice packaging and a soundtrack. Even if it would have been priced higher, they could have done something better than this. I actually like Nintendo but this stuff really bothers me, it just seems really cheap of them.

This is Nintendo. Did you really expect them to put any more money into this collection than they had to? They're releasing this as cheap as they possibly can yet still make it look like the fans are getting something out of it to maximize their profits.

[MarioMania]

Can anyone merge the other thread here, I'm the one who said it

[MarioMania]

I got a thread about it, but I'm glad it's coming here

[Gameguy]

This is Nintendo. Did you really expect them to put any more money into this collection than they had to? They're releasing this as cheap as they possibly can yet still make it look like the fans are getting something out of it to maximize their profits.
No, I expected this. I just hoped for more. They actually further upgraded the games for the GBA when they got rereleased for that system, it was certainly a possibility that they'd do the same for the Wii version.

It doesn't really matter as I don't even have a Wii right now, it just won't be something I'll be desperate to get in the future.

[airswish99]

so we are sure this is confirmed for the U.S.?

[kedawa]

I'm sort of hoping they don't make any 'enhancements' to the game.
The last thing All-Stars needs is the gay Mario voice, and you all know that's the first thing they'd put in there.

[rlemmon]

So now that everone knows we in America will be having the super Mario allstars 25 anniversary edition for wii in December I have a question.

It is being released in "limited" numbers. Does that mean it will be sold out everwere in a hurry and on eBay for big bucks? What do ya think. I pre-ordered on copy for myself. Maybe I should get a few. Thanks

[Jorpho]

The last thing All-Stars needs is the gay Mario voice, and you all know that's the first thing they'd put in there.Hah, touche! On the other hand, when it came to the Super Mario Advance rereleases, it seems they gave up on that after the first one.

It would be pretty neat to see SMA4 get a proper rerelease; shelling out for the necessary hardware to use the nifty e-reader features is just ridiculous.

[Baloo]

I just hope they don't charge $50 for this package. Since all of the games are on VC, it shouldn't cost more than $30.

[Jisho23]

I think, either way, this may not be a day 1 purchase. I sincerely doubt this will be a day 1 pickup (nothing is these days). I'll give it a week, listen to the hearsay, then probably not buy it anyway.

I've heard plenty on the net about how this will become "rare" like the metroid compilation... but then again, with a little digging and a car you can still certainly find that compilation with little trouble.

[Leo_A]

I'm sort of hoping they don't make any 'enhancements' to the game.
The last thing All-Stars needs is the gay Mario voice, and you all know that's the first thing they'd put in there.

It's already been confirmed to be the original rom running under emulation.


I just hope they don't charge $50 for this package. Since all of the games are on VC, it shouldn't cost more than $30.

The price tag is already known. It isn't going to be $50.

[Bojay1997]

So now that everone knows we in America will be having the super Mario allstars 25 anniversary edition for wii in December I have a question.

It is being released in "limited" numbers. Does that mean it will be sold out everwere in a hurry and on eBay for big bucks? What do ya think. I pre-ordered on copy for myself. Maybe I should get a few. Thanks

Nope. It is being stocked by every major retailer. It's also the same three games you can get on multiple systems and the booklet and CD sountrack sampler aren't exactly premium items. This will absolutely not be rare. But, for $30, it's not too bad of a deal and lots of people will probably pick it up.

Is there some reason you didn't post in the existing thread for the game?