Complete Sega Collection

[JustRob]

So, I was wondering, has anyone been insane enough to do a complete US Sega collection, meaning every game across all systems released in the US?

[PapaStu]

I'm sure DreamTR is there (or damn close). Otherwise I only know of people with specific systems.


Has fun with the Pico!

[goatdan]

So, I was wondering, has anyone been insane enough to do a complete US Sega collection, meaning every game across all systems released in the US?

It seems there are a number of people that have Dreamcast and Saturn collections, I have a Dreamcast one...

For whatever reason, both Game Gear and Genesis seem to get very little love. The Master System gets some, even the 32X gets some, but the Genesis seems overlooked by a lot of collectors. I think that may stem in part due to the fact that Sega has released so many Genesis compilations with so many of the best games for the console on them -- it's relatively few and far between the totally awesome Genesis games that have not been born again somewhere else. Comparatively, the SNES for instance has had little released for it.

[Swamperon]

I'm sure I've seen someone with one. There's some stupidly hard barriers from stopping more people from doing it.

In US the SMS version of Sonic the Hedgehog and in PAL copies of Darxide and Kitsune (something, CD fighting game) and such all go for ridiculous amounts.

[Steve W]

Come to think of it, I've never heard anyone mention that they were a Game Gear collector. I've heard about collectors of pretty much every other Sega device, but not that one. Seems like a shame, the games should be dirt cheap at the moment since nobody's looking for them. A store nearby has absolutely piles of loose carts for a couple bucks or so in their old game markdown table (with loads of EA Genesis sports carts) but nobody's buying them.

[JustRob]

Well, I've decided that I'm going to attempt it. I've just registered http://www.segainsanity.com and I'll be using the site to document the journey.

[Baloo]

A complete all-ways around SEGA Collection would be an interesting feat indeed. I think Saturn and Dreamcast are the most shot for because they have the smallest libraries and relatively the easiest to find games. (Dreamcast I can't think of anything overly rare, and Saturn has one, Daytona USA CCE Netlink Edition).

Genesis has a lot of oddball stuff like Miracle Piano and Outback Joey that can be difficult to find. Though with the prices of the system for the most part being in the toilet, It definitely wouldn't be super expensive to get a fullset of Genesis games compared to say, NES or SNES.

Game Gear probably gets no love because the library is frankly very lackluster as a whole, even though there are some great games on the system. The only person I know going fullset for Game Gear is Portnoyd, and he's had trouble finding two or three titles.

Pico simply has no value as at its core its an Edutainment system. That'd be like going for a fullset on the Leapfrog.

I wish you luck on your journey JustRob, it'll be interesting to see if you can finish it all, a true dedicated SEGA fan!


I'm sure I've seen someone with one. There's some stupidly hard barriers from stopping more people from doing it.

In US the SMS version of Sonic the Hedgehog and in PAL copies of Darxide and Kitsune (something, CD fighting game) and such all go for ridiculous amounts.

You're getting confused with different systems. In US for the Master System the rarest games are James Buster Douglas Boxing and Sonic the Hedgehog. In PAL regions the rarest is I believe Smurfs 2 in France.

For the 32x, the rarest in PAL is indeed DarXide, perhaps Primal Rage as I believe less than ten copies have been found of that game PAL wise.

Kitsune Encounter PAL is for the Neo Geo, less than 10 copies found of that as well I believe.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Um, guys. It's KIZUNA Encounter. KI. ZU. NA.

(Why the hell were people mentioning my nickname... wtf...)

[Bojay1997]

Come to think of it, I've never heard anyone mention that they were a Game Gear collector. I've heard about collectors of pretty much every other Sega device, but not that one. Seems like a shame, the games should be dirt cheap at the moment since nobody's looking for them. A store nearby has absolutely piles of loose carts for a couple bucks or so in their old game markdown table (with loads of EA Genesis sports carts) but nobody's buying them.

There are actually quite a few Game Gear collectors. The problem is that most of us who collect it want it a minimum of complete in box and some of us collect it sealed. As such, it's very hard to find certain titles as just like the Gameboy, a relatively small percentage of people kept the boxes and other materials.

[SpaceFlea]

I too am going for a complete US set across all systems - CIB including variants. I am doing the same thing with JP games as well. For US I already have the Dreamcast, Saturn, Sega CD and 32X complete and I'm not too far off from the MS and GG. The only one that has a long way to go is my Genny set. My biggest problem though is that I collect everything for every console, so my resources are thoroughly divided. Hell, I also collect board games and collectable card games.


For the 32x, the rarest in PAL is indeed DarXide, perhaps Primal Rage as I believe less than ten copies have been found of that game PAL wise.

As far as PAL 32X goes T-Mek and Primal Rage are the two rarest followed by DarXide which is a bit more common but has more *r@Re* publicity.

[JustRob]

Actually, with everything everyone is saying about the difficulties ahead of me, I'm actually limiting myself even more. I've set several rules for myself: '

1. All games must be found in the wild (ie. thrift stores, flea markets, garage sales)
2. No electronic purchases of games until last resort for individual titles (ie. ebay, forum sale threads, etc)
3. Donations may be accepted
4. All games must be US regional retail releases.
5. All games must be CIB or at minimum, game/box/manual.

So....yeah, I'm making this even harder for myself, but the thrill of the hunt is what I'm in this for, more for the actual games themselves.

[Wookie]

So, I was wondering, has anyone been insane enough to do a complete US Sega collection, meaning every game across all systems released in the US?
Well, I never worried about having CIB or sealed collections. With that in mind, I've got all the original US releases for the Master System (cheating a bit as a few of mine are Euro releases), Game Gear, Pico, 32X, Dreamcast, and Genesis (except the World Championship II and Outback Joey). I'm about 20 games away for both the Sega CD and Saturn.

[mrmark0673]

I'd be shocked if Dream didn't, I know for a fact he has complete CIB Genesis and Game Gear sets.

Braveheart69 has a complete Game Gear CIB set, and Swolvinist and Tynstar have every Genesis game CIB with the exception of Outback Joey.

Smart money would be on Jason, or no one.

[Baloo]

Was Outback Joey actually released to the public? I thought it was, but I haven't seen a copy pop up in at least 5 years...

[DreamTR]

Baloo: Outback Joey is an officially licensed Sega released game. It's not a prototype even though it has EPROMS in it. Official labels/manuals/Heartback TRainer system, etc.


I do have CIB collections of every Sega system released in the USA:

Sega Master System
Sega Genesis
Sega 32X
Sega CD
Sega Saturn
Sega Dreamcast
and yes, Sega Game Gear.

Game GEar was the toughest by far and Saturn only had a handful of toughies with Daytona CCE Netlink being the hardest to get.

Everything else CIB is pretty attainable.

[portnoyd]

We have SMS, Genesis, 32X, Dreamcast, are 2 short on Game Gear and 5 short on Pico. Game Gear is sadistic. The Codemasters releases are a pain in the ass and fucking forget all the oddball third party boxes and manuals.

The whole Game Gear thing wasn't even my idea, it was Achika's. Then again, I wouldn't have a complete DC set if I didn't marry her. :P

Wouldn't mind doing Sega CD eventually but holy shit, fuck Saturn hard. I can't be bothered to find a place for all those stupid massive jewel cases full of games I can't stand. At least I had a Sega CD when I was younger.

Outback Joey is in the same class as Racermate for the NES. You can say it's released but by no means does it constitute a full set.

DigitalPress also has every Sega system complete, except maybe Game Gear.

[JustRob]

I kinda figured DreamTR would have them all. I mean, that's what he does ya know?

For those of you who have done it or are close, what am I looking at in terms of games that I'll 100% have to do via ebay or other such means?

[swlovinist]

I consider myself "close". It has been an amazing journey, and one that will probably take me a little while longer in terms of years. I just dont collect Sega, but have focused on Sega over the years. I have nearly acquired all of my games "in the wild" as well. Here is where I am at, and look

1. SMS set CIB minus UPC label for Sonic
2. Genesis Set CIB plus currently working on deal for outback joey
3. Sega CD CIB plus all homebrews
4. Sega 32X CIB
5. about 60 away from Sega Saturn(really have not focused on it yet.)
6. loose game gear set minus 1, but have a connection for that one :)
7. 2 away from Dreamcast, plus one case(the games are tech romancer and dinosaur)
8. Several away from Pico, and a handful away from Laseractive.

Again, I am still a ways off, but totally attainable.

[gum_drops]

I have near complete collections for the saturn, sega cd and master system.

I may even have the complete Saturn set, I think I may be missing a sports title or two. I have been 2 shy of my Sega CD set for years, Monkey Island and Jaguar XJ220.

My Genesis collection is around 75%.

Dreamcast was nearly complete but I lost interest in the system and sold most of it.

[mrmark0673]

Outback Joey is in the same class as Racermate for the NES. You can say it's released but by no means does it constitute a full set.

Outback Joey is licensed, while Racermate is not. It's an officially licensed Sega Genesis game that was sold at retail and plays on Genesis hardware, it is very much needed for a complete set. Rare =/= unnecessary.

[NerdXCrewWill]

No one's mentioning Mega LDs. I think those would be pretty essential too.

EDIT: Except swlovinist. Whoops!

[98PaceCar]

I think I've nailed all of the tough to get games for Sega CD, SMS, 32X, and as of yesterday, Dreamcast. I'll probably try to fill in the gaps as I find my missing ones at thrifts or shows, but I don't think I'm going to go the electronic route on many more titles for these runs. I'd like to complete all of the above as well as Saturn, but I'm not going to chase them down.

[portnoyd]

Outback Joey is licensed, while Racermate is not. It's an officially licensed Sega Genesis game that was sold at retail and plays on Genesis hardware, it is very much needed for a complete set. Rare =/= unnecessary.

Ok then, where could I have bought it?

And when the fuck did I say rare equals unnecessary? Don't put words in my mouth.

[portnoyd]

So I looked on SegaAge, because I was sure this is where this assertion came from, and I was correct.

If you don't include Racermate with NES, you can't include Outback Joey with Genesis. If the only reasoning for keeping Racermate out is that it's unlicensed, you also have to keep all the Realtec games, Zany Golf, Budokan and Populous (I believe those three) out as well as they are not licensed either.

The harness system locks Outback Joey into the same category as Racermate: you can't use either without the proper equipment, regardless if it boots or not.

It's a very flimsy argument.

[Vectorman0]

Whatever constitutes a "complete collection" is purely opinion. People will be disagreeing, I suggest we leave it at that. Based on what I have seen, I don't think anyone can change other peoples' opinions on the matter.

Even if we tried to come up with some system or set of rules to set what constitutes a complete collection, we wouldn't be able to. Nearly every system has unique games or other oddities that don't compare to anything else.

For example, strictly collecting licensed games might work for one system, but then look at the 2600. Are you only going to consider Atari games for a complete collection? That's pretty boring. And even then if you did only collect Atari games, you still have weird things like Asterix where no one really knows the full story behind it because so few are accounted for and no one saw in stores back in the day.

[BeaglePuss]

The harness system locks Outback Joey into the same category as Racermate: you can't use either without the proper equipment, regardless if it boots or not.


Would you not consider Menacer titles as a necessary part of a complete collection? Do you consider Miracle Piano as part of a complete set? Can't use that without the piano last time I checked.

Outback Joey is a licensed Sega title that requires a peripheral, just as the Miracle Piano and Menacer titles do.

People will have different views as to what constitutes a complete set, but you don't need to be an asshole about it.



It's a very flimsy argument.


I agree.

[BeaglePuss]

Whatever constitutes a "complete collection" is purely opinion. People will be disagreeing, I suggest we leave it at that. Based on what I have seen, I don't think anyone can change other peoples' opinions on the matter.

I think this is true for nearly all platforms. Some consider NWC to be part of a set, while others don't. Some consider Outback Joey to be part of a set, while others (obviously) don't.

I consider Outback Joey to be part of a complete set, but I don't think I'm going to lose sleep over other collectors feeling differently.

It is what it is.

[SpaceFlea]

Whatever constitutes a "complete collection" is purely opinion. People will be disagreeing, I suggest we leave it at that. Based on what I have seen, I don't think anyone can change other peoples' opinions on the matter.

Exactly! No one will ever agree as to what makes anything complete because it's purely subjective. The full set completeness conflict pertains to individual games as well. Some think games that came with spine cards require them for completeness while others don't (same with registration cards and other inserts) - and neither is wrong - it's all personal preference.

What collectors need to do is be aware of their collecting quirks with respect to the greater community and express to their fellow collectors exactly what "they" mean when they say something is "complete." Don't leave it to speculation. All that does is reignite this completeness argument over and over again.

[portnoyd]

Whatever constitutes a "complete collection" is purely opinion. People will be disagreeing, I suggest we leave it at that. Based on what I have seen, I don't think anyone can change other peoples' opinions on the matter.

Maybe, but there is no need to squelch discussion because it's all everyone's opinion.


Would you not consider Menacer titles as a necessary part of a complete collection? Do you consider Miracle Piano as part of a complete set? Can't use that without the piano last time I checked.

Outback Joey is a licensed Sega title that requires a peripheral, just as the Miracle Piano and Menacer titles do.

People will have different views as to what constitutes a complete set, but you don't need to be an asshole about it.

Where do you fit Racermate into NES then? Because by this logic, Racermate has to be part of the NES set. Outback Joey may be a licensed title, but why does the cart not even mention the Genesis? Even the Realtec games say "For use with the Sega Genesis".

I'm being an asshole because you put words in my mouth? Come on now. If it's any consolation, I had two of these in the past so it has nothing to do with me attaining them.


Ok then, where could I have bought it?

If these were sold at retail, I want to know where. This is news I have never heard before.

[TonyTheTiger]

There is lots of wiggle room with these fringe oddities, such as whether or not the mere existence of a licensing scheme automatically eliminates anything not licensed. Is Outback Joey any more or less "legit" than, say, Beggar Prince merely due to a seal of approval?

I'm not saying one way or the other. But Vectorman0 is spot on. People can talk about it but the conversation, however interesting, is unlikely to produce any doctrine on the issue. Of course I agree we shouldn't squelch all conversation just because of that, though.

The easy way to handle this is to take into account anything that is functionally compatible with X. But then you start peeling the layers. Does that count prototypes? It can't possibly, right? What about sold at retail vs. not sold at retail? Too many categories to come to any universal consensus. But, hell, that's what makes the hobby fun.

[mrmark0673]

So I looked on SegaAge, because I was sure this is where this assertion came from, and I was correct.

I wouldn't say that is where it came from, but yes, I've expressed my opinion on both SegaAge and Sega-16 in the past.


If you don't include Racermate with NES, you can't include Outback Joey with Genesis. If the only reasoning for keeping Racermate out is that it's unlicensed, you also have to keep all the Realtec games, Zany Golf, Budokan and Populous (I believe those three) out as well as they are not licensed either.

I consider Racermate unlicensed, so I certainly consider it part of a complete US set. I also consider all the Realtec games, as well as all of the pre-licensed EA, Accolade/Ballistic games (like Onslaught among others) part of the complete US Genesis set. I was simply saying that Outback Joey is very different than Racermate as it was an officially licensed product, so I can't see how anyone would even debate it's inclusion in the set.


The harness system locks Outback Joey into the same category as Racermate: you can't use either without the proper equipment, regardless if it boots or not.

Again, that's like saying PowerPad or Zapper games don't count. It's silly.

As to where you could buy it at retail, Dream's copy still has the original retail price tag on it, so you can ask him. It also came with a flyer that asked where you purchased it, it had a few retail options but I can't remember them off hand. I'll dig them out next time I grab it from storage.

It's a licensed retail game, why wouldn't it count toward a set?

[BeaglePuss]

Where do you fit Racermate into NES then? Because by this logic, Racermate has to be part of the NES set. Outback Joey may be a licensed title, but why does the cart not even mention the Genesis? Even the Realtec games say "For use with the Sega Genesis".

I would consider Racermate to be consider part of a full NES set, but not part of the licensed set. Outback Joey doesn't mention the Genesis on the cart, but it does on the box and in the instructions.



I'm being an asshole because you put words in my mouth? Come on now. If it's any consolation, I had two of these in the past so it has nothing to do with me attaining them.

Mark and I are two different people Port, and it wasn't me that did anything. I just think you've been pretty cold/harsh with the two of us since you left NA. We've always held you in high regards and have always had your back regardless of how you feel about NA.

I'm aware that you've owned them in the past, and that you feel it's not part of a complete set. Dream currently owns a CIB copy, and he does consider it part of a set. He's been in the game as long as you have and I would think that his opinion is worth something.



If these were sold at retail, I want to know where. This is news I have never heard before.

My CIB copy has a sticker on it from a retailer from what I remember, but I'll have to double check. I think they were mostly sold through QVC/similar distributor, but that's just me speculating.

According to the questionnaire that came with it, it does mention that it was at least intended to be sold in a retail store. Whether it actually did or not is another story all together. . .

[mrmark0673]

If these were sold at retail, I want to know where. This is news I have never heard before.

Quoted from Dream:


I know a lot of people don't count Outback Joey, or think it was unreleased, but the item was sold at the very least, in the US, for $299.96 at Sportsmart. I know because the box I just got has the sticker right on it. It's officially licensed, just brutally hard to find.

Thread here: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116755&highlight=outback+joey&page=2

[Doonzmore]

How many confirmed copies of Outback Joey and Blockbuster Championships 2 carts exist?

Racermate is new to me though. Looks like the rarity guide is down right now, though there is a copy currently on ebay.

[portnoyd]

This shit is giving me a headache. I'll just leave it at this:


It's a licensed retail game, why wouldn't it count toward a set?

To nebracza's point on SegaAge, it was made for the Heartbeat system, not the Genesis. It really is in a class of itself as the Heartbeat system is more 32X than Genesis. While the Miracle Piano and the Menacer were for the Genesis, Outback Joey and whatever was supposed to come later was for the Heartbeat system, the Genesis and the harness.

Because of the lack of success with the system, it became an anomaly instead of system that is collected for. Here, it's lumped in with a Genesis collection because it has nowhere else to go. I don't think such an anomaly should be considered part of a full set. Licensed or unlicensed shouldn't matter in the discussion. Really, Aladdin carts for the NES should be the same way, but being as they are sold as a full set and are insanely plentiful, no one makes the distinction. They just get them and put them on their shelf.

I'll concede objecting to that it wasn't sold at retail. Sportsmart seems to what we now know as Sports Authority.

[Vectorman0]

Maybe, but there is no need to squelch discussion because it's all everyone's opinion.

When I saw a vulgarity I opened my mouth to try and prevent this thread from going so sour that it would need to be locked. I don't mind disagreement when it's civil.

[nebrazca78]

Outback Joey is licensed, while Racermate is not. It's an officially licensed Sega Genesis game that was sold at retail and plays on Genesis hardware, it is very much needed for a complete set. Rare =/= unnecessary.


Whatever constitutes a "complete collection" is purely opinion. People will be disagreeing, I suggest we leave it at that. Based on what I have seen, I don't think anyone can change other peoples' opinions on the matter.

There are two different issues at play here. The question of whether or not to require unlicensed games to have a complete set is a matter of opinion. Whether or not Outback Joey is a Genesis game or not is a matter of fact. A Geo Metro is a re-badged Toyota but you'd have a hell of a time at the DMV trying to get it licensed as a Corolla.

The Heartbeat Personal Trainer is a modified, licensed Sega Genesis system sold by Heartbeat Corporation. Just because the game that came with it plays on a regular Genesis doesn't make it a Genesis game. What other Genesis game doesn't say Genesis on the label? The reason it doesn't is because it's not a Genesis game.

A Colecovision can play Atari 2600 games, does that magically make every Atari 2600 game a Coleco game? Would you tell someone going for a full Coleco set that they need to get every 2600 game too? Of course not. Outback Joey is a game for the Heartbeat Personal Trainer that is also compatible with a standard Genesis. But it's not a Genesis game.

[mrmark0673]

Just because the game that came with it plays on a regular Genesis doesn't make it a Genesis game.

Weird, previously that was your entire argument against it. Let me refresh your memory, quoted from SegaAge:

"The thing with Outback Joey is that it's not a Genesis game and it doesn't work on a regular Genesis. It only works with the system it comes with because a regular Genesis does not have the extra ports the game needs to function. So to me it's not required to have a complete Genesis set."

or

"The difference is that the Miracle Piano and Menacer both work on a standard Genesis. Outback Joey does not. It only works with the Heartbeat Personal Trainer. If you look at the Outback Joey cart it may have the Sega Seal Of Quality but it doesn't say Genesis anywhere on it. That's because it's not a Genesis game and it doesn't work on anything but the Heartbeat system."

Now that I have proven that it does indeed work on a standard Genesis, you change your stance to find yet another reason you think it shouldn't be counted. Sounds much more like you don't want to buy it than anything else.

[otaku]

I would love to someday have the time and money for a complete (boxed) collection of sega games etc. if I win the lotto or someday make more than 1,000 a month I'll go for it

[otaku]

I would love to someday collect a full sega collection boxed and complete. Some arcade games and other stuff too. Alas I am far too poor making only 1000 a month in a dead end job with a lackluster education so I must focus on making more $$$ first

[Gameguy]

How many confirmed copies of Outback Joey and Blockbuster Championships 2 carts exist?
I believe there's at least 7 confirmed Blockbuster carts. I'd have to go through the old threads to track the members here who had them and where they were sold to, but I'm pretty sure there's 7 now.

A boxed copy popped up on ebay recently, the description says that it's the 6th cart but I remember there being 6 carts before knowing about this boxed one. I wasn't expecting the box to look like that, it's kind of a disappointment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280695219656

[TonyTheTiger]

The Heartbeat Personal Trainer is a modified, licensed Sega Genesis system sold by Heartbeat Corporation. Just because the game that came with it plays on a regular Genesis doesn't make it a Genesis game. What other Genesis game doesn't say Genesis on the label? The reason it doesn't is because it's not a Genesis game.

Gotta admit, though, this is a good point. The mere fact something works on something else doesn't have to mean it fits in the same family. Otherwise every backwards compatible system automatically doubles or triples it's library. And it would mean somebody going for a complete LaserActive collection has to obtain all Genesis/CD and TG-16/CD games, too.

Maybe we can make a comparison to the Burger King Xbox games? They're compatible with the original Xbox, going so far as to not including "360" in the header, but the overall design (and arguably the marketing strategy) targets the 360. So if I were to be going for either a complete Xbox or Xbox 360 set, which do they fall under? Whichever they don't belong in, that could be similar to the Outback Joey situation.

[Doonzmore]

I believe there's at least 7 confirmed Blockbuster carts. I'd have to go through the old threads to track the members here who had them and where they were sold to, but I'm pretty sure there's 7 now.

A boxed copy popped up on ebay recently, the description says that it's the 6th cart but I remember there being 6 carts before knowing about this boxed one. I wasn't expecting the box to look like that, it's kind of a disappointment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280695219656

Yeah I saw that auction a few days ago when I looked up the cartridge out of pure curiosity. I remember years ago never seeing that game on ebay and now there's currently two copies with BINs waiting to be snatched up. Too much for my blood though and that's really the reason for this whole debate. People don't want to spend a lifetime and a fortune on one or two games just for the piece of mind in knowing that they have a complete set and no one else can dispute it. I have no problem denying that I'm likely one of these people. I'm currently going for a complete Genesis, N64 and Gamecube set myself (thank god the later two don't have something of the same caliber as Joey or Blockbuster) and that recent post regarding Outback Joey is music to my ears. Who really wants to spend that kind of money?

And if there are only 7 confirmed copies of Blockbuster in existence then that technically means only that only 7 people are capable of a complete Genesis set. But on that note, since Blockbuster was never originally "sold", would that be considered an official release and therefore, necessary for a complete set?

The original topic has been derailed a bit but I quite frankly am enjoying reading these posts.

[Gameguy]

And if there are only 7 confirmed copies of Blockbuster in existence then that technically means only that only 7 people are capable of a complete Genesis set. But on that note, since Blockbuster was never originally "sold", would that be considered an official release and therefore, necessary for a complete set?
I'm sure there's more than 7 copies out there, that's just how many are confirmed publicly(I think). There's probably several more that people are keeping to themselves or are just still stored in basements, a few years ago there were only 2 copies known. It's getting harder to keep track, many of the members here who had copies aren't posting anymore and some haven't mentioned who their copies were sold to, there's no way to know whether a copy for sale is one that's new or one that's already accounted for.

It doesn't count towards a complete set IMO, it's the same like demo or kiosk carts on the N64, SNES, or GBA. For someone who collects variants or rare game related items these are valuable rarities but they're not needed for a "complete" collection.

I'm not even sure if you need all games for a complete set, if you're collecting every game do you need the Genesis 6-Pak or other compilations? You can already own those same games separately, would those compilations count as variants? What about homebrews or bootleg hacks? Would those count? It's the same with Stadium Events on the NES, the game was re-released as World Class Track Meet so the original version is really just a rare variant with a different title screen. If that's needed for a full set, then what about variants like the different versions of Revenge of Shinobi for the Genesis which have noticeable gameplay differences?

I personally won't bother will full sets, my collection will be complete when I have every game I want for it in excellent condition(can someone's collection ever really be complete?). I don't need junk titles in it for my collection to be complete.

[mrmark0673]

I'm not even sure if you need all games for a complete set, if you're collecting every game do you need the Genesis 6-Pak or other compilations? You can already own those same games separately, would those compilations count as variants? What about homebrews or bootleg hacks? Would those count? It's the same with Stadium Events on the NES, the game was re-released as World Class Track Meet so the original version is really just a rare variant with a different title screen. If that's needed for a full set, then what about variants like the different versions of Revenge of Shinobi for the Genesis which have noticeable gameplay differences?

The list I work with it is this one, less Beggar Prince and Legend of Wukong as I am only interested in games released during the life of the system:

Sega Genesis Games: (NTSC-America)
1. 3 Ninjas Kick Back
2. 6 Pack
3. 688 Attack Sub
4. Aaahh Real Monsters
5. Action 52
6. Addams Family, The
7. Adventures of Batman & Robin, The
8. Adventures of Mighty Max, The
9. Adventures of Rocky & Bullwinkle and Friends, The
10. Aero the Acro-Bat
11. Aero the Acro-Bat 2
12. Aerobiz
13. Aerobiz Supersonic
14. After Burner II
15. Air Buster
16. Air Diver
17. Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
18. Alien 3
19. Alien Storm
20. Alisia Dragoon
21. Altered Beast
22. American Gladiators
23. Andre Agassi Tennis
24. Animaniacs
25. The Aquatic Games – Starring James Pond and the Aquabats
26. Arcade Classics
27. Arch Rivals
28. Arcus Odyssey
29. Ariel: the Little Mermaid
30. Arnold Palmer - Tournament Golf
31. Arrow Flash
32. Art Alive!
33. Art of Fighting
34. Asterix and the Great Rescue
35. Atomic Robo-Kid
36. Atomic Runner
37. ATP Tour Championship Tennis
38. Awesome Possum… Kicks Dr. Machino’s Butt
39. AWS Pro Moves Soccer
40. Ayrton Senna’s Super Monaco GP II
41. Back to the Future Part III
42. Ballz 3D: Fighting at its Ballziest
43. Barbie: Super Model
44. Barkley Shut Up and Jam!
45. Barkley Shut Up and Jam! 2
46. Barney’s Hide and Seek Game
47. Bass Masters Classic
48. Bass Masters Classic – Pro Edition
49. Batman: The Video Game
50. Batman Forever
51. Batman Returns
52. Batman: Revenge of the Joker
53. Battlemaster
54. Battle Squadron
55. Battletech – A Game of Armored Combat
56. Battletoads
57. Battletoads & Double Dragon
58. Beast Wrestler
59. Beauty & The Beast – Belle’s Quest
60. Beauty & The Beast – Roar of the Beast
61. Beavis & Butt-Head
62. Beggar Prince
63. Berenstain Bears’ Camping Adventure, The
64. Best of The Best – Championship Karate
65. Beyond Oasis
66. Bible Adventures
67. Bill Walsh College Football
68. Bill Walsh College Football ‘95
69. Bimini Run
70. Bio-Hazard Battle
71. Blades of Vengeance
72. Blaster Master 2
73. Blockout
74. B.O.B.
75. Bonanza Brothers
76. Bonkers
77. Boogerman – A Pick and Flick Adventure
78. Boxing Legends of the Ring
79. Bram Stoker’s Dracula
80. Brett Hull Hockey ‘95
81. Brutal: Paws of Fury
82. Bubba ‘n’ Stix
83. Bubble and Squeak
84. Bubsy in Claws - Encounters of the Furred Kind
85. Bubsy II
86. Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday
87. Budokan: The Martial Spirit
88. Bugs Bunny in Double Trouble
89. Bulls vs. Blazers and the NBA Playoffs
90. Bulls vs. Lakers and the NBA Playoffs
91. Burning Force
92. Cadash
93. Caesars Palace
94. Cal Ripkin Jr. Baseball
95. Caliber .50
96. California Games
97. Captain America & The Avengers
98. Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
99. Castlevania: Bloodlines
100. Centurion: Defender of Rome
101. Chakan: The Forever Man
102. Champions World Class Soccer
103. Championship Bowling
104. Championship Pool
105. Championship Pro-Am
106. Chase H.Q. II
107. Chavez II
108. Chester Cheetah: Too Cool to Fool
109. Chester Cheetah: Wild Wild Quest
110. Chi Chi’s Pro Challenge Golf
111. Chiki Chiki Boys
112. Chuck Rock
113. Chuck Rock II: Son of Chuck
114. ClayFighter
115. Cliffhanger
116. Clue
117. Coach K College Basketball
118. College Football USA ‘96
119. College Football USA ’97: The Road to New Orleans
120. College Football’s National Championship
121. College Football’s National Championship II
122. College Slam
123. Columns
124. Columns III: Revenge of Columns
125. Combat Cars
126. Comix Zone
127. Contra: Hard Corps
128. Cool Spot
129. Cosmic Spacehead
130. Crack Down
131. CrossFire
132. Crüe Ball
133. Crusader of Centy
134. Crystal’s Pony Tale
135. Cutthroat Island
136. Cyberball
137. Cyber-Cop
138. Cyborg Justice
139. Dark Castle
140. Dashin’ Desperadoes
141. David Crane’s Amazing Tennis
142. David Robinson’s Supreme Court
143. Davis Cup Tennis
144. Deadly Moves
145. Death & Return of Superman, The
146. Death Duel
147. Decap Attack
148. Demolition Man
149. Desert Demolition Starring Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote
150. Desert Strike: Return to the Gulf
151. Devilish: The Next Possession
152. Dick Tracy
153. Dick Vitale’s “Awesome Baby” College Hoops
154. Dino Land
155. Dinosaur’s Tale, A
156. Dinosaurs For Hire, Tom Manson’s
157. Disney’s Aladdin
158. Disney’s The Jungle Book
159. Disney’s The Lion King
160. Disney’s TaleSpin
161. DJ Boy
162. Doom Troopers: The Mutant Chronicles
163. Double Dragon
164. Double Dragon 3: The Arcade Game
165. Double Dragon V: The Shadow Falls
166. Double Dribble: The Playoff Edition
167. Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine
168. Dragon’s Fury
169. Dragon’s Revenge
170. Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story
171. Dune: The Battle For Arrakis
172. Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun
173. Dynamite Duke
174. Dynamite Headdy
175. Earnest Evans
176. Earthworm Jim
177. Earthworm Jim 2
178. Ecco Jr.
179. Ecco the Dolphin
180. Ecco: The Tides of Time
181. El Viento
182. Elemental Master
183. ESPN Baseball Tonight
184. ESPN National Hockey Night
185. ESPN Speed World
186. ESPN Sunday Night NFL
187. ESWAT: City Under Siege
188. Eternal Champions
189. Evander Holyfield’s “Real Deal” Boxing
190. Exile
191. Ex-Mutants
192. Exodus
193. Exo Squad
194. F-117 Night Storm
195. F-15 Strike Eagle II
196. F-22 Interceptor
197. Faery Tale Adventure, The
198. Family Feud
199. Fantasia
200. Fantastic Dizzy
201. Fatal Fury
202. Fatal Fury 2
203. Fatal Labyrinth
204. Fatal Rewind
205. Ferrari Grand Prix Challenge
206. FIFA International Soccer
207. FIFA Soccer ‘95
208. FIFA Soccer ‘96
209. FIFA Soccer ‘97
210. Fighting Masters
211. Final Zone
212. Fire Shark
213. Flashback: The Quest for Identity
214. Flicky
215. Flinstones, The
216. Foreman For Real
217. Forgotten Worlds
218. Formula 1
219. Frank Thomas ‘Big Hurt’ Baseball
220. Frogger
221. Fun ‘n’ Games
222. Funny World & Balloon Boy
223. Gadget Twins
224. Gaiares
225. Gain Ground
226. Galaxy Force II
227. Garfield: Caught in the Act
228. Gargoyles
229. Gauntlet IV
230. Gemfire
231. General Chaos
232. Generations Lost
233. Genghis Khan II: Clan of the Gray Wolf
234. George Foreman’s KO Boxing
235. Ghostbusters
236. Ghouls ‘N Ghosts
237. G-LOC: Air Battle
238. Gods
239. Golden Axe
240. Golden Axe II
241. Goofy’s Hysterical History Tour
242. Granada
243. Great Circus Mystery: Starring Mickey and Minnie, The
244. Great Waldo Search
245. Greatest Heavyweights
246. Greendog: The Beached Surfer Dude!
247. Grind Stormer
248. Growl
249. Gunstar Heroes
250. Hard Drivin’
251. Hardball
252. Hardball III
253. Hardball ‘94
254. Hardball ‘95
255. Haunting – Starring Polterguy
256. Head-On Soccer
257. Heavy Nova
258. Hellfire
259. Herzog Zwei
260. High Seas Havoc
261. Hit the Ice
262. Home Alone
263. Home Alone 2: Lost in New York
264. Hook
265. Humans, The
266. IMG International Tour Tennis
267. Immortal, The (Will Harvey Presents
268. Incredible Crash Dummies, The
269. Incredible Hulk, The
270. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
271. Insector X
272. Instruments of Chaos – Starring Young Indiana Jones
273. Ishido: The Way of the Stones
274. Izzy’s Quest for the Olympic Rings
275. Jack Nicklaus’ Power Challenge Golf
276. James Bond 007: The Duel
277. James “Buster” Douglas Knockout Boxing
278. James Pond: Underwater Agent
279. James Pond II – Codename: RoboCod
280. James Pond 3: Operation Starfish
281. Jammit
282. Jennifer Capriatti Tennis
283. Jeopardy!
284. Jeopardy!: Deluxe Edition
285. Jeopardy!: Sports Edition
286. Jerry Glanville’s Pigskin Footbrawl
287. Jewel Master
288. Joe & Mac
289. Joe Montana Football
290. Joe Montana II: Sports Talk Football
291. John Madden Football
292. John Madden Football ‘92
293. John Madden Football ‘93
294. John Madden Football ’93 CE
295. Jordan vs. Bird: Super One on One
296. Joshua & The Battle of Jericho
297. Judge Dredd
298. Junction
299. Jungle Strike: The Sequel to Desert Strike
300. Jurassic Park
301. Jurassic Park: Rampage Edition
302. Justice League – Task Force
303. Ka-Ge-Ki: Fists of Steel
304. Kawasaki SuperBike Challenge
305. Kid Chameleon
306. King of the Monsters
307. King of the Monsters 2
308. King Salmon: The Big Catch
309. King’s Bounty: The Conqueror’s Quest
310. Klax
311. Krusty’s Super Fun House – Featuring The Simpsons
312. Lakers versus Celtics and the NBA Playoffs
313. Landstalker: The Treasures of King Nole
314. La Russa Baseball ‘95
315. Last Action Hero
316. Last Battle
317. Lawnmower Man, The
318. Legend of Galahad, The
319. Legend of Wukong
320. Lemmings
321. Lemmings 2: The Tribes
322. Lethal Enforcers
323. Lethal Enforcers II: Gun Fighters
324. LHX Attack Chopper
325. Liberty Or Death
326. Light Crusader
327. Lightening Force (Thunder Force IV)
328. Lost Vikings, The
329. Lost World, The: Jurassic Park
330. Lotus Turbo Challenge
331. Lotus II: R.E.C.S.
332. M-1 Abrams Battle Tank
333. Madden NFL ‘94
334. Madden NFL ‘95
335. Madden NFL ‘96
336. Madden NFL ‘97
337. Madden NFL ‘98
338. Magic School Bus, The: (Scholastic’s) Space Exploration Game
339. Marble Madness
340. Mario Andretti Racing
341. Mario Lemieux Hockey
342. Marko
343. Marsupilami
344. Marvel Land
345. Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein
346. Master of Monsters
347. Math Blaster: Episode 1
348. Mazin Saga: Mutant Fighter
349. McDonald’s Treasure Land Adventure
350. Mega Bomberman
351. Mega Turrican
352. Menacer 6-Game Cartridge
353. Mercs
354. Michael Jackson’s Moonwalker
355. Mick & Mack as the Global Gladiators
356. Mickey Mania: The Timeless Adventures of Mickey Mouse
357. Mickey’s Ultimate Challenge
358. Micro Machines
359. Midnight Resistance
360. MiG 29: Fighter Pilot
361. Might & Magic: Gates to Another World
362. Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers
363. Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers: The Movie
364. Mike Ditka Power Football
365. Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend
366. Miracle Piano Teaching System, The
367. MLBPA Baseball
368. MLBPA Sports Talk Baseball
369. Monopoly
370. Mortal Kombat
371. Mortal Kombat II
372. Mortal Kombat 3
373. Ms. Pac-Man
374. Muhammad Ali Heavyweight Boxing
375. M.U.S.H.A.
376. Mutant League Football
377. Mutant League Hockey
378. Mystical Fighter
379. Mystic Defender
380. NBA Action ‘94
381. NBA Action ’95: Starring David Robinson
382. NBA All-Star Challenge
383. NBA Hang Time
384. NBA Jam
385. NBA Jam: Tournament Edition
386. NBA Live ‘95
387. NBA Live ‘96
388. NBA Live ‘97
389. NBA Live ‘98
390. NBA Showdown ‘94
391. NCAA Final Four Basketball
392. NCAA Football
393. Newman Haas Indy Car - Featuring Nigel Mansell
394. NFL ‘95
395. NFL ‘98
396. NFL Footbal ’94 Starring Joe Montana
397. NFL Prime Time – Starring Deion Sanders
398. NFL Quarterback Club
399. NFL Quarterback Club ‘96
400. NFL Sports Talk Football ’93 Starring Joe Montana and all 28 NFL Teams
401. NHL ‘94
402. NHL ‘95
403. NHL ‘96
404. NHL ‘97
405. NHL ‘98
406. NHL All-Star Hockey ‘95
407. NHL Hockey
408. NHLPA Hockey ‘93
409. Nigel Mansell’s World Championship Racing
410. No Escape
411. Nobunaga’s Ambition
412. Normy’s Beach Babe-O-Rama
413. Olympic Gold: Barcelona ‘92
414. Olympic Summer Games: Atlanta 1996
415. Onslaught
416. Ooze, The
417. Operation Europe: Path To Victory
418. Outback Joey Heartbeat Personal Trainer
419. Outlander
420. Out of This World
421. Out Run
422. Out Run 2019
423. OutRunners
424. Pac-Attack
425. Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures
426. Pac-Mania
427. Pagemaster, The
428. Paperboy
429. Paperboy 2
430. Pat Riley Basketball
431. Pebble Beach Golf Links
432. Pelé! Soccer
433. Pelé II: World Tournament Soccer
434. Pete Sampras Tennis
435. PGA European Tour
436. PGA Tour ‘96
437. PGA Tour Golf
438. PGA Tour Golf II
439. PGA Tour Golf III
440. Phantasy Star II
441. Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
442. Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
443. Phantom 2040
444. Phelios
445. Pink Goes to Hollywood
446. Pinocchio
447. Pirates! Gold
448. Pirates of Dark Water, The
449. Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure
450. Pit-Fighter
451. Pocahontas
452. Populous
453. Powerball
454. Power Monger
455. Predator 2
456. Primal Rage
457. Prince of Persia
458. Pro Quarterback
459. P.T.O. – Pacific Theatre of Operations
460. Puggsy
461. Punisher, The
462. Quackshot – Starring Donald Duck
463. Quad Challenge
464. Race Drivin’
465. Radical Rex
466. Raiden Trad
467. Rambo III
468. Rampart
469. Ranger X
470. Rastan Saga II
471. R.B.I. Baseball 3
472. R.B.I. Baseball 4
473. R.B.I. Baseball ‘93
474. R.B.I. Baseball ‘94
475. Red Zone
476. Ren & Stimpy Show Presents, The: Stimpy’s Invention
477. Revenge of Shinobi, The
478. Revolution X
479. Richard Scarry’s Busytown
480. Rings of Power
481. Risk
482. Risky Woods
483. Ristar
484. Road Blasters
485. Road Rash
486. Road Rash II
487. Road Rash III: Tour de Force
488. RoboCop 3
489. Robocop Versus The Terminator
490. Rock ‘N Roll Racing
491. Rocket Knight Adventures
492. Roger Clemens’ MVP Baseball
493. Rolling Thunder 2
494. Rolling Thunder 3
495. Rolo to the Rescue
496. Romance of the Three Kingdoms II
497. Romance of the Three Kingdoms III: Dragon of Destiny
498. Rugby World Cup ‘95
499. Sagaia
500. Saint Sword
501. Samurai Shodown
502. Saturday Night Slam Masters
503. Scooby-Doo Mystery
504. SeaQuest DSV
505. Sesame Street: Counting Cafe
506. Shadow Blasters
507. Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
508. Shadow of the Beast
509. Shadow of the Beast II
510. Shadowrun
511. Shanghai II: Dragon’s Eye
512. Shaq Fu
513. Shining in the Darkness
514. Shining Force
515. Shining Force II
516. Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
517. Shove It! …The Warehouse Game
518. Side Pocket
519. The Simpsons: Bart’s Nightmare
520. The Simpsons: Bart vs. the Space Mutants
521. Skeleton Krew
522. Skitchin’
523. Slaughter Sport
524. Socket
525. Sol-Deace
526. Soldiers of Fortune
527. Sonic 3D Blast
528. Sonic the Hedgehog
529. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
530. Sonic the Hedgehog 3
531. Sonic the Hedgehog Spinball
532. Sonic & Knuckles
533. Sorcerer’s Kingdom
534. Space Harrier II
535. Space Invaders ‘91
536. Sparkster
537. Speedball 2
538. Spider-Man (1991)-(The Amazing Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin)
539. Spider-Man (1995)-(The Animated Series)
540. Spider-Man/X-Men: Arcade’s Revenge
541. Spider-Man and Venom: Maximum Carnage
542. Spider-Man and Venom: Separation Anxiety
543. Spiritual Warfare
544. Splatterhouse 2
545. Splatterhouse 3
546. Spot goes to Hollywood
547. Star Control
548. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine – Crossroads of Time
549. Star Trek: The Next Generation – Echoes of the Past
550. Starflight
551. Stargate
552. Steel Empire
553. Steel Talons
554. Stormlord
555. Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition
556. Street Smart
557. Streets of Rage
558. Streets of Rage 2
559. Streets of Rage 3
560. Strider
561. Strider Returns: Journey from Darkness
562. Sub-Terrania
563. Summer Challenge
564. Sunset Riders
565. Super Baseball 2020
566. Super Battleship
567. Super Battletank: War in the Gulf
568. Super Hang-On
569. Super High Impact
570. Super Hydlide
571. Super Monaco GP
572. Super Monaco GP II (Ayrton Senna’s)
573. Super Off Road
574. Super Smash TV
575. Super Street Fighter II
576. Super Thunder Blade
577. Super Volleyball
578. Superman
579. Sword of Sodan
580. Sword of Vermilion
581. Syd of Valis
582. Sylvester and Tweety in Cagey Capers
583. Syndicate
584. Target Earth
585. Task Force Harrier EX
586. Taz-Mania
587. Taz in Escape From Mars
588. Team USA Basketball
589. Technoclash
590. Technocop
591. Tecmo Super Baseball
592. Tecmo Super Bowl
593. Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition
594. Tecmo Super Bowl III: Final Edition
595. Tecmo Super Hockey
596. Tecmo Super NBA Basketball
597. Tecmo World Cup
598. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist
599. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters
600. Terminator, The
601. Terminator 2: Judgement Day
602. Terminator 2: The Arcade Game
603. Test Drive II (The Duel)
604. Theme Park
605. Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends
606. Thunder Force II
607. Thunder Force III
608. ThunderFox
609. The Tick
610. Time Killers
611. Tinhead
612. Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars
613. Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster’s Hidden Treasure
614. TNN Bass Tournament of Champions
615. TNN Outdoors Bass Tournament ‘96
616. Todd’s Adventures in Slime World
617. Toe Jam & Earl
618. Toe Jam & Earl in Panic on Funkotron
619. Toki: Going Ape Spit
620. Tom & Jerry: Frantic Antics!
621. Tommy Lasorda Baseball
622. Tony La Russa Baseball
623. Top Gear 2
624. Toughman Contest
625. Toxic Crusaders
626. Toy Story
627. Toys
628. Trampoline Terror
629. Traysia
630. Triple Play ‘96
631. Triple Play Gold Edition
632. Triple Score: 3 Games in 1
633. Trouble Shooter
634. Troy Aikman NFL Football
635. True Lies
636. Truxton
637. Turrican
638. Twin Cobra: Desert Attack Helicopter
639. Two Crude Dudes
640. Tyrants: Fight Through Time
641. Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
642. Ultimate Qix
643. Uncharted Waters
644. Uncharted Waters: New Horizons
645. Universal Soldier
646. Unnecessary Roughness ‘95
647. Urban Strike: The Sequel to Jungle Strike
648. Valis: The Phantasm Soldier
649. Valis 3
650. Vapor Trail
651. Vectorman
652. Vectorman 2
653. Viewpoint
654. Virtua Fighter 2
655. Virtual Bart
656. Virtual Pinball
657. Virtua Racing
658. VR Troopers
659. Wacky Worlds Creativity Studio
660. Wardner
661. Warlock, Beware the Evil of
662. WarpSpeed
663. Warrior of Rome
664. Warrior of Rome II
665. Warsong
666. Wayne Gretzky and the NHLPA All-Stars
667. Wayne’s World
668. We’re Back: A Dinosaurs Tale
669. Weaponlord
670. Whac-a-Critter
671. Wheel of Fortune
672. Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?
673. Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?
674. Whip Rush
675. Williams: Arcade’s Greatest Hits
676. Wimbledon Championship Tennis
677. Wings Of Wor
678. Winter Challenge
679. Winter Olympic Games: Lillehammer ‘94
680. Wiz & Liz
681. Wolfchild
682. Wolverine: Adamantium Rage
683. Wonder Boy in Monster World
684. World Championship Soccer
685. World Championship Soccer 2
686. World Class Leaderboard Golf
687. World Cup USA ‘94
688. World Heroes
689. World of Illusion: Starring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck
690. World Series Baseball
691. World Series Baseball ‘95
692. World Series Baseball ‘96
693. World Series Baseball ‘98
694. World Trophy Soccer
695. WWF Raw
696. WWF Royal Rumble
697. WWF Super WrestleMania
698. WWF WrestleMania: The Arcade Game
699. X-Men
700. X-Men 2: Clone Wars
701. X-Perts
702. Y’s III: Wanderers from Ys
703. Zany Golf
704. Zero – The Kamikaze Squirrel
705. Zero Tolerance
706. Zombies Ate My Neighbors
707. Zool
708. Zoom!
709. Zoop

As far as SE and WCTM, they were released by 2 different companies. Do you need both Tengen and Nintendo versions of Tetris for a complete NES set? Similar situation.

[The 1 2 P]

The Dreamcast is the only Sega system I've ever seen listed on ebay as a complete set....twice. If I had the money I would have grabbed it or atleast bid on it.

[Gameguy]

As far as SE and WCTM, they were released by 2 different companies. Do you need both Tengen and Nintendo versions of Tetris for a complete NES set? Similar situation.
Considering that Tengen's Tetris and Nintendo's Tetris are two different games that just share the same name, you would need both. Actually you could argue that unlicensed games aren't needed for a complete set which would elimitate all the unlicensed Tengen games as well as Action 52 and the Camerica games. A better example would be comparing Dragon Ball GT Final Bout for the Playstation as it was released twice by different publishers, or Final Fantasy Adventure which was originally published by Square in 1991 and later by Sunsoft in 1998. Or better yet both versions of Tengen's Pac-Man for the NES, one licensed and one unlicensed. Would you need both versions of any of these games for a complete set?

Technically Beggar Prince and Legend of Wukong were originally released in 1996, they were produced during the lifespan of the system but in another region. I'm not sure if the re-releases with alterations would count, especially as those weren't intended solely for the North American market and were aimed worldwide instead.

I really don't care about defining full sets that much, I just collect whatever games interest me. I usually want the North American version but there are some games which were only released in other regions so I need the actual import, my personal collection won't be complete without those games.

[DreamTR]

I'll check out Outback Joey again this week but I could have sworn I saw Genesis somewhere on it....This Outworld 2056 game I have for it as well is similar but has a white label in an original box...

I mean everyone has arguments/specifics to everything.

We've went over stuff like the ISS Soccer mess for SNES where that and ISS Deluxe look exactly the same as US games but no retailer (major) outside of possibly spotty areas in California had it, but it's an official release. Box, manual, warranty info, etc.

NWCs and Blockbusters are contest carts, I think those come off a little different in collector's mindsets...

[elvis8atari]

I've seen photos of a few people that had complete collections. Seems like a crazy goal unless you're into sports games.

[DreamTR]

Ok, back of the Outback Joey Box says connect a Sega Genesis control pad to the Heartbeat Personal Trainer to play regular Sega Genesis games...Sega Genesis is in the legal as well....

[goatdan]

Come to think of it, I've never heard anyone mention that they were a Game Gear collector. I've heard about collectors of pretty much every other Sega device, but not that one. Seems like a shame, the games should be dirt cheap at the moment since nobody's looking for them. A store nearby has absolutely piles of loose carts for a couple bucks or so in their old game markdown table (with loads of EA Genesis sports carts) but nobody's buying them.

I know of a few Sega Game Gear collectors, but they are definitely few and far between. Actually, pretty much every handheld console seems to have a very limited collector's market after they stop being supported. I don't know why that is, as I think that handhelds are great, but how many people out there are on the hunt for full Game Boy collections? The only one that seems to have any real following is the Neo Geo Pocket Color, and even that is very minor.

[goatdan]

Dreamcast I can't think of anything overly rare,

Depends on what you "count" toward your full collection.

Sonic Adventure LE boxed and in good shape is a very tough find, but you could easily argue it wasn't sold in stores and isn't part of the official set.

There are a number of single game demo discs that according to my hunts can be called impossible to find. But again, do you need to count single game demo discs as part of your complete collection?

There are some super rare Sega All Stars packaging variations for games, the one that springs to mind the most is Power Stone, which I found after months of contacting darn near every Power Stone listed on eBay without a picture and asking what the case looked like... then I finally got it in a package that I didn't ask about it with. But again, it's a variation and not necessary for a full collection depending on how you're looking for it.

Because of the fact that pretty much every really ultra rare Dreamcast title can be dismissed either as 'not sold in stores' and often times are also much more common in other forms, nothing has took on an extreme value in the Dreamcast collection, and I doubt very much that anything will. But, there are definitely some rarities based on what you consider a complete collection.

And, ultimately, to throw my two cents into that argument -- there is no such thing as an "official" complete collection. I didn't consider my Dreamcast collection complete until I had every known packaging variation and spent months looking for non-stickered, Hot! New! versions of Mortal Kombat Gold and NFL Blitz, at which point I finally decided they didn't exist.

Both the Atari 2600 and the Atari Jaguar are great systems to look at to show just how complex deciding exactly what constitutes a complete collection is. Using the Jaguar as an example, there are the official Atari games, the games Telegames did after the Jaguar was discontinued, the games that Songbird Productions did (and continues to do) that came out far after death but were licensed, BattleSphere which was an 'unofficial' release but Atari had agreed to during the lifespan of the Jaguar, the games that other retailers did that may or may not have been licensed, the Carousel International cartridges that ran in arcade machines on stock Jaguars (which the GOAT Store recently required the rights for, by the way :) ), and multiple other prototype and homebrew releases.

I know some Jaguar collectors that believe that you need every single one of those releases to count your collection as "complete." I personally claim that I have a complete Jaguar collection, and while I have all of the known cartridge and CD variations (a task I took upon myself and as far as I know I'm the only person who attempted that), there are a number of items above that I most definitely do NOT consider part of a complete collection and I do not own.

You could almost argue that there is an official Sega Dreamcast checklist, as Sega themselves put one out -- however, it oddly claims "Sega Swirl" as a title, and that was only released on a demo disc. I also think that it had one or two games missing from it that were officially released.

So anyway, collect what you think makes sense, and don't pass judgment on others for doing the same :).

[Wookie]

Huh. Seems I ignited a fun debate when I mentioned Outback Joey as one I'm still looking for. Let's start round 2 by saying I only have 2 of the 3 Game Factory carts (green & blue) and am on the lookout for a red one.

Let the fighting begin...

[portnoyd]

Game Factory is kind of a stretch as most of them don't have any games on them and the ones that do can have any random game on them. Is Red even confirmed to exist? And while you're at it Wookie, you also need a New Leaf Entertainment cart. :P

[Wookie]

Game Factory is kind of a stretch as most of them don't have any games on them and the ones that do can have any random game on them. Is Red even confirmed to exist? And while you're at it Wookie, you also need a New Leaf Entertainment cart. :P

My green & blue Game Factory's are blank. And I never heard of that New Leaf thingie. Dang it!

[Vectorman0]

Depends on what you "count" toward your full collection.

Sonic Adventure LE boxed and in good shape is a very tough find, but you could easily argue it wasn't sold in stores and isn't part of the official set.

There are a number of single game demo discs that according to my hunts can be called impossible to find. But again, do you need to count single game demo discs as part of your complete collection?

There are some super rare Sega All Stars packaging variations for games, the one that springs to mind the most is Power Stone, which I found after months of contacting darn near every Power Stone listed on eBay without a picture and asking what the case looked like... then I finally got it in a package that I didn't ask about it with. But again, it's a variation and not necessary for a full collection depending on how you're looking for it.

Because of the fact that pretty much every really ultra rare Dreamcast title can be dismissed either as 'not sold in stores' and often times are also much more common in other forms, nothing has took on an extreme value in the Dreamcast collection, and I doubt very much that anything will. But, there are definitely some rarities based on what you consider a complete collection.

And, ultimately, to throw my two cents into that argument -- there is no such thing as an "official" complete collection. I didn't consider my Dreamcast collection complete until I had every known packaging variation and spent months looking for non-stickered, Hot! New! versions of Mortal Kombat Gold and NFL Blitz, at which point I finally decided they didn't exist.

Both the Atari 2600 and the Atari Jaguar are great systems to look at to show just how complex deciding exactly what constitutes a complete collection is. Using the Jaguar as an example, there are the official Atari games, the games Telegames did after the Jaguar was discontinued, the games that Songbird Productions did (and continues to do) that came out far after death but were licensed, BattleSphere which was an 'unofficial' release but Atari had agreed to during the lifespan of the Jaguar, the games that other retailers did that may or may not have been licensed, the Carousel International cartridges that ran in arcade machines on stock Jaguars (which the GOAT Store recently required the rights for, by the way :) ), and multiple other prototype and homebrew releases.

I know some Jaguar collectors that believe that you need every single one of those releases to count your collection as "complete." I personally claim that I have a complete Jaguar collection, and while I have all of the known cartridge and CD variations (a task I took upon myself and as far as I know I'm the only person who attempted that), there are a number of items above that I most definitely do NOT consider part of a complete collection and I do not own.

You could almost argue that there is an official Sega Dreamcast checklist, as Sega themselves put one out -- however, it oddly claims "Sega Swirl" as a title, and that was only released on a demo disc. I also think that it had one or two games missing from it that were officially released.

So anyway, collect what you think makes sense, and don't pass judgment on others for doing the same :).

Wasn't Sega Swirl also on a web browser or two?

Also, speaking of variants and web browsers, I was looking at two separate Web Browser 2.0's that I had which had the exact same text on them (from the outside, both are sealed) and noticed that everything was positioned slightly differently between them. It isn't that the insert was just cut differently or the whole insert was printed a little "off" , for some reason it looks like the whole insert was re-made using the exact same information. I'm curious, would you consider that a variant you needed? What about the one Web Browser 2.0 with AT&T Branding and one with SegaNet branding, I assume you consider that a necessary variant for your collection?

I also think I have three different "variants" of the second Dreamcast Generator that are nearly identical, but still different enough like the above example that I kept them.

[portnoyd]

My green & blue Game Factory's are blank. And I never heard of that New Leaf thingie. Dang it!

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137359&highlight=leaf+entertainment

One known copy. >.>

[GrandAmChandler]

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137359&highlight=leaf+entertainment

One known copy. >.>

Two. I own the other.

-GAC-

[goatdan]

Wasn't Sega Swirl also on a web browser or two?

You might be right on that, in fact I think you are, but regardless, there is never and has never been a release that has the title "Sega Swirl" on the side like the checklist seemed to indicate. Back when it came out, on some forum that I was following at that time, there was a big debate over it and people even asked Sega about it, but no one ever got back to them on it.

It kind of makes me wonder if Sega Swirl was originally intended to be a Chu Chu Rocket style release, and Sega realized that it really wasn't good enough to be that.


Also, speaking of variants and web browsers, I was looking at two separate Web Browser 2.0's that I had which had the exact same text on them (from the outside, both are sealed) and noticed that everything was positioned slightly differently between them. It isn't that the insert was just cut differently or the whole insert was printed a little "off" , for some reason it looks like the whole insert was re-made using the exact same information. I'm curious, would you consider that a variant you needed? What about the one Web Browser 2.0 with AT&T Branding and one with SegaNet branding, I assume you consider that a necessary variant for your collection?

Honestly, perhaps because they are Web browsers that I've never used, I have never looked at them carefully enough to see any differences in them.

<~ Pulls out browsers.

Yup. One of each. My Web Browser 2.0 has both AT&T and SegaNet branding. Oh, and look at that -- "Includes Full Version of Sega Swirl Game." So that answers that.

<~ Walks over to GOAT Store stuff.

Well, what do you know. I have another variation here, and it's missing the SegaNet stuff. It is also in a different spot (it looks worse) and must be rarer, as I had one copy of it and like 10 of the other. Hunh. Thanks! You just added a "game" to my collection ;)


I also think I have three different "variants" of the second Dreamcast Generator that are nearly identical, but still different enough like the above example that I kept them.

You're right. Actually, the thing that I have found is the difference on that particular game is the flaps that hold the game in it -- one of them has it, and the other does not. For whatever reason, although I have both of those (may even have three, those aren't as handy to get to), I do not count it as a variation on my personal checklist.

[DreamTR]

I know of a few Sega Game Gear collectors, but they are definitely few and far between. Actually, pretty much every handheld console seems to have a very limited collector's market after they stop being supported. I don't know why that is, as I think that handhelds are great, but how many people out there are on the hunt for full Game Boy collections? The only one that seems to have any real following is the Neo Geo Pocket Color, and even that is very minor.

There's a few collecting CIB Game Boy. I have all of them, sly is close, and Dain is close as well....Game Gear I know myself and Braveheart completed CIB as well....

[Buyatari]

If outback doesn't play on a Genesis then it isn't a Genesis game.

Extra controllers and add-ons are fine but if you can't play this title on a standard retail system then how could it possibly count? Licensed by Sega sure but then it is its own system for which there is one game.

[Gameguy]

If outback doesn't play on a Genesis then it isn't a Genesis game.

Extra controllers and add-ons are fine but if you can't play this title on a standard retail system then how could it possibly count? Licensed by Sega sure but then it is its own system for which there is one game.
Here's someone playing the game on a Model 1 and Model 3 Genesis. It seems it works fine with regular systems as long as you use the add-ons with it. It seems it's more compatible than Gargoyles or Virtua Racing as those don't work on a Model 3 at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4

Still I'm not sure if it counts. How many times have people come across famiclones with multicarts made specifically for them? Those might work fine with actual famicom systems but they weren't really intended to be used on anything besides the famiclone. I know the Outback Joey is licensed by Sega, but I'd have to see if the packaging says it was intended to be used on a Genesis system. Saying that the special system can play Genesis games with a regular controller is a bit different, the Colecovision was compatible with Atari games using an official add-on but the games weren't meant for the Colecovision. I'm leaning towards yes on this though.

I guess SNES collectors need that Lifefitness bike to complete the collection, that uses a regular SNES system.

[JimmyJ]

im not sure if anyone has heard of this but the EVERDRIVE cart a cartridge that can play ROM games. most of those play on a regular ol' system and those are deffinitely not legit and DONT count i believe in the real deal so i myself wouldnt play them so if some clone carts cant play on the real system then how does a ROM??

[mrmark0673]

Here's someone playing the game on a Model 1 and Model 3 Genesis. It seems it works fine with regular systems as long as you use the add-ons with it. It seems it's more compatible than Gargoyles or Virtua Racing as those don't work on a Model 3 at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4

Not just someone, me :) . I made that video a while back to put the "it doesn't play on a standard Genesis so it shouldn't count" argument to rest, though since then many people have created more reason to not consider it part of the set. Oh well, I tried...


Still I'm not sure if it counts. How many times have people come across famiclones with multicarts made specifically for them?

Are we really comparing pirated multi-carts to a game licensed by Sega?

The best argument I've heard against it is that it doesn't say Sega Genesis on the actual cart, though it's plastered all over the box and paperwork.

Port: That New Leaf cart is interesting to say the least. If people consider game factory carts needed for a complete set, I don't see how this cart would be any different. If others consider flash carts more accessories than games, then I could see that argument as well. The biggest question would be if either were sold at retail.

Any confirmation the New Leaf carts were sold at retail? Anyone have a SKU for the product or similar information?

[goatdan]

Port: That New Leaf cart is interesting to say the least. If people consider game factory carts needed for a complete set, I don't see how this cart would be any different. If others consider flash carts more accessories than games, then I could see that argument as well. The biggest question would be if either were sold at retail.

Any confirmation the New Leaf carts were sold at retail? Anyone have a SKU for the product or similar information?

Based on the Dennis Miller video that was linked in the New Leaf thread, it wasn't sold, it was rented. And, since it is basically a flash cart, you could debate if you needed one, or if you needed one of every possible type. To me, since it was just a prototype rental thing, I would say it isn't necessary -- but it is a fascinating, fascinating peek into the future, really.

[Buyatari]

Here's someone playing the game on a Model 1 and Model 3 Genesis. It seems it works fine with regular systems as long as you use the add-ons with it. It seems it's more compatible than Gargoyles or Virtua Racing as those don't work on a Model 3 at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXF5uNMY5A4

Still I'm not sure if it counts. How many times have people come across famiclones with multicarts made specifically for them? Those might work fine with actual famicom systems but they weren't really intended to be used on anything besides the famiclone. I know the Outback Joey is licensed by Sega, but I'd have to see if the packaging says it was intended to be used on a Genesis system. Saying that the special system can play Genesis games with a regular controller is a bit different, the Colecovision was compatible with Atari games using an official add-on but the games weren't meant for the Colecovision. I'm leaning towards yes on this though.

I guess SNES collectors need that Lifefitness bike to complete the collection, that uses a regular SNES system.

Ok so the short of it is that the cartridge works on a standard retail system, it was licensed by Sega and it was sold in the USA during the lifespan of the Sega Genesis. The fact that it came with another system should not matter either way. How would this be different from any other pack in cartridge for any other system?

Every other pack in game I can think of counts for the system it was released for. Even limited edition pack in games that came with limited edition systems count. Even pack in games that came with special added hardware that is needed to play the pack in game.

How is this different from gyromite on the NES?

2 ways.

Less of them to go around. More expensive. These are some of the more popular reasons to exclude games from a system list but rarely sited as such.

[atarimaniac]

speaking of sega genesis CIB collections...would we look at the box variations as they were released or just go for titles...cause my sega collection is pretty close to CIB, but not yet...and I am having the hardest time locating a cardboard box....not a red case release, but a Black cardboard box release of sonic 2.

Does anyone here have one?

Ive seen one in the states 1 time and that is one a friend has, but I can not find another anywhere!

[Buyatari]

Gotta admit, though, this is a good point. The mere fact something works on something else doesn't have to mean it fits in the same family. Otherwise every backwards compatible system automatically doubles or triples it's library. And it would mean somebody going for a complete LaserActive collection has to obtain all Genesis/CD and TG-16/CD games, too.

Maybe we can make a comparison to the Burger King Xbox games? They're compatible with the original Xbox, going so far as to not including "360" in the header, but the overall design (and arguably the marketing strategy) targets the 360. So if I were to be going for either a complete Xbox or Xbox 360 set, which do they fall under? Whichever they don't belong in, that could be similar to the Outback Joey situation.

Gotta love the Burger King games !

The Burger King games should count for both Xbox and Xbox 360 complete collections. It plays on both systems and it is branded as such. It isn't just an XBOX game with backwards compatability as there are XBOX 360 achievements for it. There won't be much debate on those 3 Burger King games.

Few will argue with it because the games are cheap and you can find them everywhere.

Except this one.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/WastingOrpheus/MVC-139S-1.jpg

This one will not count for either system.

[Buyatari]

Still I'm not sure if it counts. How many times have people come across famiclones with multicarts made specifically for them? Those might work fine with actual famicom systems but they weren't really intended to be used on anything besides the famiclone.

Were the famiclones multi-carts licensed by Nintendo? Sold in the US during the life of the system? Are the games on these carts original games or copies? I'm not saying that these muti-carts should or should not count but clearly they have little in common with Outback Joey.


I know the Outback Joey is licensed by Sega, but I'd have to see if the packaging says it was intended to be used on a Genesis system.

What about the Sears branded Atari & Intellivision systems and games. Not the same thing? Licensed to Sears and sold with the Sears name. Everyone counts these systems and cartridges. They aren't considered seperate systems with a seperate library. Most games are label variations but some games are exclusive to Sears and they count.



Saying that the special system can play Genesis games with a regular controller is a bit different, the Colecovision was compatible with Atari games using an official add-on but the games weren't meant for the Colecovision. I'm leaning towards yes on this though.

I'm not sure it matters if the system does anything. We are talking about the cartridge, right? If someone claimed to have every Genesis console should he include the Outback Joey system? I'm not sure that one has ever come up but as with the Sears Atari and Intellivision systems I'd say yes he would have to include it if that was his claim.


I guess SNES collectors need that Lifefitness bike to complete the collection, that uses a regular SNES system.

If an SNES collector claimed to have a complete SNES peripheral collection then yes he will need the bike.

If he just wants to claim he has a complete SNES cartridge collection then he will need the games marketed for the bike and as far as I can tell just about everyone who collects Super Nintendo DOES count those carts.

[TonyTheTiger]

Except this one.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/WastingOrpheus/MVC-139S-1.jpg

This one will not count for either system.

The hell is that?

[Buyatari]

The hell is that?

Don't worry it doesn't count.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/WastingOrpheus/MVC-140S-1.jpg

Ha, Burger Bumpers !

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/WastingOrpheus/MVC-143S-1.jpg

[profholt82]

Damnit, now I'm hungry for a whopper.

[Gameguy]

I'm not sure it matters if the system does anything. We are talking about the cartridge, right?

The best argument I've heard against it is that it doesn't say Sega Genesis on the actual cart, though it's plastered all over the box and paperwork.
I posted my reply taking into account specifically to what DreamTR said, while it says Genesis on the box it really sounds like it's saying the system happens to be compatible with Genesis games too but isn't itself a Genesis system, it was meant as a one-off unit that was made from existing hardware that Sega recycled that happens to be compatible with Genesis games too. Really I'd have to see the box myself to be sure, maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. I did say I was leaning towards yes that it counts, I'm just not 100% sure.

Oh and mrmark0673, I thought the username on youtube looked familiar but I wasn't sure, thanks for posting that video. :)


Ok, back of the Outback Joey Box says connect a Sega Genesis control pad to the Heartbeat Personal Trainer to play regular Sega Genesis games...Sega Genesis is in the legal as well....


Also I only mentioned those pirate carts as an example that a cart can be compatible with a system without actually being designed for use with it. I even mentioned that the Outback Joey was licensed so it's different from pirate carts.

It's a bit funny what people deem necessary for a complete collection. ROM variants don't usually count, there were multiple versions of Revenge of Shinobi yet you only need one for a complete collection. Yet for the NES you need both Punch-Out!! and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! even though it's the same game with a slight alteration, the same goes with Stadium Events and World Class Track Meet. It's cool to own rare games like Stadium Events or competition carts, but I don't really consider those needed to have a complete set.

[JustRob]

I've gone ahead and done it. I set up a blog to document the ridiculousness that is attempting to do a complete sega collection from scratch.

http://www.segainsanity.com

[Gameguy]

In PAL regions the rarest is I believe Smurfs 2 in France.
I didn't see this before but Les Schtroumpfs: Autour Du Monde(Smurfs 2) was only released in Czech Republic, not France. It's usually considered to be the rarest SMS game worldwide. More info about it below.

http://segacollect.blogspot.com/search/label/Les%20Schtroumpfs%20and%20Les%20Schtroumpfs%20Auto ur%20Du%20Monde