Wii U!

[Leo_A]

I'm not familiar with a few of those games, but several aren't things I'd personally classify as 3D platformers. When I think of that genre, I think of games like Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Donkey Kong 64, Banjo Kazooie/Banjo Tooie, the 3D Super Mario platformers, the already mentioned Crash Bandicoot, etc. That said, we're on two completely different pages here. I thought you were accusing Super Mario 64 of requiring you to collect hundreds of meaningless items. Collecting items is something you really only have to do for a fraction of the 120 stars.

Things like complaining about there being a hub world, not being able to wrap up multiple goals in the same try (Although you can earn two stars at the same time if the first is the 100 coin star since you're not booted out after collecting it), and requirements that had to be met in order to open up additional areas of the castle aren't things I picture when I hear someone complain about a 3D platformer being a collectathon.

All are fair enough criticisms although I'm surprised you find the worlds as too tiny. I didn't own this in the 1990's and it seemed rather primitive when I first played it in the early 2000's after games like Ocarina of Time and getting a taste of the next generation (Although it grew to be one of my favorite games). But the worlds being too tiny wasn't something that ever entered my mind. Some of them seemed huge to me like the magic carpet world (Although in terms of play area, this is probably the smallest world), the underground world, the mountain world with the monkey, etc.

[ZP3]

I'm not familiar with a few of those games, but several aren't things I'd personally classify as 3D platformers. When I think of that genre, I think of games like Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Donkey Kong 64, Banjo Kazooie/Banjo Tooie, the 3D Super Mario platformers, the already mentioned Crash Bandicoot, etc. That said, we're on two completely different pages here. I thought you were accusing Super Mario 64 of requiring you to collect hundreds of meaningless items. Collecting items is something you really only have to do for a fraction of the 120 stars.

Thing's like complaining about there being a hub world, not being able to wrap up up multiple goals in the same try (Although you can earn two stars at the same time if the first is the 100 coin star since you're not booted out after collecting it), and requirements that had to be met to open up additional areas of the castle aren't things I picture when I hear someone complain about a 3D platformer being a collectathon.

All are fair enough criticisms although I'm surprised you find the worlds as too tiny. I didn't own this in the 1990's and it seemed rather primitive when I first played it in the early 2000's after games like Ocarina of Time and getting a taste of the next generation (Although it grew to be one of my favorite games). But the worlds being too tiny wasn't something that ever entered my mind. Some of them seemed huge to me like the magic carpet world (Although in terms of play area, this is probably the smallest world), the underground world, the mountain world with the monkey, etc.

I agree, I never played Mario 64 when it was first released but even by today's standards the worlds are still massive

[Daltone]

I think the Wii U us the opposite and is geared towards actual gamers. At least ones that are Nintendo fans.

(My emphasis)

This pretty much sums up my feelings towards the Wii and Wii U.

The SNES was a monster - you had great 3rd party support, innovative in house titles. it was great. The N64 was announced and the future looked bright (as someone else has commented here). As it turns out, there were some excellent games there, but the big 3rd parties were begining to move away. I have a couple of N64 magazines where they literally say they have nothing to review "but let's have a look at what's coming out in future months." Towards the end of the system's life it seemed like everyone was either waiting for Nintendo to release Majora's Mask (which turned out to be pretty excellent) or Rare to hurry up and get Perfect Dark (etc) out. Other than that there wasn't a lot going on.

The Gamecube saw a lot of rehashes of existing franchises, a few new titles and a lot of ports. The controller didn't work for me, Mario and Zelda were getting tired. There were a few gimmicks that were briefly entertaining (Donkey Konga!) The line up never screamed potential like the N64's did (Hell, even Win Back and Hybrid Heaven seemed like they could have been great at the time.) RE4 was a pretty big coup but there was talk of a PS2 release from the day the thing was announced.

So we come to the Wii. A gimmick with a lot of first party games, some wonky ports and very little you'd want to play for over an hour. The Wii U again brings the gimmick, a load of first party franchises that we have been playing for years and not a huge amount else. If you like Nintendo's myriad of franchises I am sure it is great but again you wonder if it is going to have the quantity of quality products that some of the other systems have. It is getting increasingly difficult to justify spending so much money on something that offers little variety.

"Indie" developers could be a great boon fo the system ( for example - Bastion is excellent, Super Meat Boy and Braid have the 'easy to learn but difficult to master' thing that made some of the SNES games great) Instead it is Microsoft (and to some extent Sony) who are getting them on board by making it easy to develop stuff for them.

I rushed out to get an N64 on launch day. I waited a long time for a GC and even longer for a Wii. I am sure that there will be some enjoyable games on the Wii U but at the moment it has got "end of life purchase" written all over it at the moment.

[WCP]

The SNES was a monster - you had great 3rd party support, innovative in house titles. it was great. The N64 was announced and the future looked bright (as someone else has commented here). As it turns out, there were some excellent games there, but the big 3rd parties were begining to move away. I have a couple of N64 magazines where they literally say they have nothing to review "but let's have a look at what's coming out in future months." Towards the end of the system's life it seemed like everyone was either waiting for Nintendo to release Majora's Mask (which turned out to be pretty excellent) or Rare to hurry up and get Perfect Dark (etc) out. Other than that there wasn't a lot going on.



Yeah, I remember the first 18 months of the N64 was really brutal in terms of having to wait, and wait and wait for games.


Sure, you got the incredible Super Mario 64 right at launch, but then I remember waiting a long time for some other good games to come out. There would be droughts of several months before anything decent finally arrived. I remember waiting forever for Turok to come out. Turok, despite all the fog and everything was Next-Gen as can be, when that game first came out. Yeah, it used tons of fog to hide things, but man.... That was a real Next-Gen game when it dropped. Waiting for Banjo-Kazooie, took a long time as well. I just remember, waiting and waiting for big games to finally drop.

[BetaWolf47]

I like where Wii U is going. It's definitely got better hardware than PS3 and Xbox 360, and is able to game in actual 1080p instead of the upscaled crap we see on those 2 consoles. It's going to take some more first party support and 3D games before I buy one though.

Seriously, it's shaping up almost parallel to the GameCube to me.

[Bojay1997]

I like where Wii U is going. It's definitely got better hardware than PS3 and Xbox 360, and is able to game in actual 1080p instead of the upscaled crap we see on those 2 consoles. It's going to take some more first party support and 3D games before I buy one though.

Seriously, it's shaping up almost parallel to the GameCube to me.

Huh? Which games on the WiiU are 1080P? As far as I know, none have been released that are truly 1080P 60FPS as promised prior to launch and given what some developers have said about the CPU and GPU, I doubt you're going to see any graphic intensive games released in 1080P 60FPS anytime soon. The PS3 and Xbox 360 can both do true 1080P, but the performance hit is pretty substantial, so I don't know of any developers that have released titles in that resolution. I doubt many will release games in that resolution for the WiiU for much the same reason.

[kupomogli]

So New Super Mario Bros U is only 720p? I'd assume it's 60fps since that's usually the case with Mario games. It's not very demanding either so I thought it would be 1080p.

Also. Rayman Origins is both 1080p and 60fps on PS360 and Legends demo is 1080p and 60fps on the Wii U. So Legends should be 1080p and 60fps on all consoles.

[BydoEmpire]

Seriously, it's shaping up almost parallel to the GameCube to me.Except without the 1st or 3rd party support.

[ZP3]

I am closing in on having enough money to buy my Wii U. Looking to have it mid-April. Really looking forward to the purchase!

[Bojay1997]

I am closing in on having enough money to buy my Wii U. Looking to have it mid-April. Really looking forward to the purchase!

You may want to wait until after E3 to see if Nintendo does a price cut or some other new bundle to compete with the launch of Xbox Durango and the PS4. It might also be good to wait for release dates on games like Pikmin 3 and some of the others Nintendo has promised.

[WCP]

I am closing in on having enough money to buy my Wii U. Looking to have it mid-April. Really looking forward to the purchase!

If you choose to buy a brand new one, I would get it at Target, because at least you have a 90 day policy on it, in case the price drops in those first 90 days. A price drop is a near certainty with the Wii U, the only question is when are they going to do it. e3 is a possibility, but I also see quite a few console pricedrops around August. If you held out to June, and bought it at a Target or Costco or something, then you'll probably be in a good situation if the price drops.

I'm expecting a full $100 slashing of the price.

[ZP3]

If you choose to buy a brand new one, I would get it at Target, because at least you have a 90 day policy on it, in case the price drops in those first 90 days. A price drop is a near certainty with the Wii U, the only question is when are they going to do it. e3 is a possibility, but I also see quite a few console pricedrops around August. If you held out to June, and bought it at a Target or Costco or something, then you'll probably be in a good situation if the price drops.

I'm expecting a full $100 slashing of the price.

I (my parents) do have a costco membership, do they have a discounted price opposed to other places?

[The 1 2 P]

Yeah you should definitely hold off on purchasing one. During the holidays there are bound to be bundle deals with extra games and other stuff.

[ZP3]

If you choose to buy a brand new one, I would get it at Target, because at least you have a 90 day policy on it, in case the price drops in those first 90 days. A price drop is a near certainty with the Wii U, the only question is when are they going to do it. e3 is a possibility, but I also see quite a few console pricedrops around August. If you held out to June, and bought it at a Target or Costco or something, then you'll probably be in a good situation if the price drops.

I'm expecting a full $100 slashing of the price.

All signs point to a cheaper Wii U at costco. I may have to pull the trigger sooner than expected...

[WCP]

Only reason I bring up Costco, is that they would be willing to do a price adjustment, after there was a price drop. There are many stores that only have a 30 day policy, but I know that Target has a 90 day policy, and at Costco, they might even honor it up to 4 months later.

[ZP3]

Only reason I bring up Costco, is that they would be willing to do a price adjustment, after there was a price drop. There are many stores that only have a 30 day policy, but I know that Target has a 90 day policy, and at Costco, they might even honor it up to 4 months later.

That makes me a little more confident in a purchase. I'd be so mad if I bought it right before a $100 cut...

[Cloud121]

Sold my Wii U today, and everything I bought for it. I think I dropped almost $800 on the thing at launch, and didn't even make half that. Needed rent money, and it was the only thing I had worth anything. All the non-exclusive games I can get on my PS3 or PC, and ZombiU will be available for mere pennies within a year. I don't regret it. After buying my third PS3 (A Superslim) back in February, had barely touched my Wii U. Great for YouTube, but that's it. Well that, and Mighty Switch Force is absolutely awesome.

I'll just buy a second hand Wii later this year so I can play Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower.

[SOL BADGUY]

So apparently Sega cancelled Aliens for the Wii U today, dont think anyone would have bought it anyway.

Im thinking nowadays developers and publishers want the thing to fail big time, more so than the Wii bashers do.

[ZP3]

So apparently Sega cancelled Aliens for the Wii U today, dont think anyone would have bought it anyway.

Im thinking nowadays developers and publishers want the thing to fail big time, more so than the Wii bashers do.

Why do you say that?

[Daltone]

Why do you say that?

Yeah, it's pretty bonkers.

Generally: If a console is going to make you money you support it. If it isn't you don't bother with it. If the console is going to make you a little money, but is going to chew up a load of time and cause a load of problems then you probably focus elsewhere.

In the specific example of ACM: I don't think that it is a matter of having a vendetta against a company to the point you announce a game, pay money to develop and market it, then pull it out from under everyone.

[ZP3]

Yeah, it's pretty bonkers.

Generally: If a console is going to make you money you support it. If it isn't you don't bother with it. If the console is going to make you a little money, but is going to chew up a load of time and cause a load of problems then you probably focus elsewhere.

In the specific example of ACM: I don't think that it is a matter of having a vendetta against a company to the point you announce a game, pay money to develop and market it, then pull it out from under everyone.

Weren't there layoffs in the case of ACM?

[ZP3]

Anyone playing Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate?

[WCP]

Man, you have to wonder if Nintendo internally has had talks about actually pulling the plug so to speak on the Wii U. I mean, I know it's almost unthinkable, for a company to basically kill off it's own product, but in the long run, I think it might actually benefit Nintendo.


Here's my thinking:


Sure, Nintendo can release a 3D Mario, and a Mario Kart and the windwaker remake etc, etc. They can drop the price of the unit ($199.99 for the basic model would make the most sense). If Nintendo could really stomach such a huge price slash on the system, and assuming those 3 games deliver the goods, they can potentially take the Wii U from Virtual Boy level disaster to GameCube. What I mean by GameCube, is the kind of sales and 3rd part support that the GameCube got.

However, all of this is considering they are willing to do a full $100 price drop. Nintendo has claimed that they are losing a tiny bit of money for every Wii U sold. Would they really be willing to drop the price all the way to $199.99 ? I mean, they have to... if they have any hope of getting back into this thing, but what about them simply pulling the plug, focusing in on getting the 3DS where they want it to be, and regroup with a newer system in a couple of years. Nintendo has crazy cash in the bank, they could potentially just eat the Wii U as a failed experiment and go back to the drawing board for new hardware. Nvidia is surely looking to get back into the console side of things, so maybe Nintendo could strike a deal with Nvidia, and start working on a console to be released Spring 2015.

I know it sounds a bit crazy for Nintendo to take such a drastic measure, but the thing is, they need an absolutely dream scenario to happen, just to turn this thing into a GameCube. As much as we liked the GameCube as gamers, it wasn't really a successful product for Nintendo, (in the grand scheme of things), and I think everything would have to go absolutely perfect for Nintendo to even get a GameCube out of this. Remember, Nintendo killed the Virtual Boy. It's not like Nintendo has never experienced something like this. When the Virtual Boy first came out, they thought that it was going to be a huge hit, and it tanked beyond belief, and Nintendo let the thing die off quickly, and just dealt with it. Now, I know part of it was the potential litigation from children getting headaches from using the Virtual Boy, but a huge part of it was that Nintendo quickly realized that the unit just wasn't going to ever do what they needed it to do, and they killed the thing off.

Microsoft pre-maturely killed the original Xbox back in late 2005 when the 360 came out. Support was immediately cut off, and they just stopped making the systems.


Nintendo probably won't kill off the Wii U, but in the long run (like 3 or 4 years from now), I think they will wish they had.


I know it would be messy for them, considering they've already sold a few million of these Wii U's, and there are going to be a few million pissed off Wii U owners, when they come to realize that the system has basically been Kavorkianed. It would be hard to make it up to those early adopters, but sometimes you gotta make tough decisions. I know it's easy for me to say since I don't own a Wii U. I'm not hating on the Wii U either, if they decide to stick with the system, and drop the price, and get out an amazing Mario, I'll probably hop right onto the bandwagon, but if they did decide to kill the thing, from a business standpoint, I'd totally understand the thinking.

[The 1 2 P]

Nintendo probably won't kill off the Wii U, but in the long run (like 3 or 4 years from now), I think they will wish they had.


I know it would be messy for them, considering they've already sold a few million of these Wii U's, and there are going to be a few million pissed off Wii U owners, when they come to realize that the system has basically been Kavorkianed. It would be hard to make it up to those early adopters, but sometimes you gotta make tough decisions. I know it's easy for me to say since I don't own a Wii U. I'm not hating on the Wii U either, if they decide to stick with the system, and drop the price, and get out an amazing Mario, I'll probably hop right onto the bandwagon, but if they did decide to kill the thing, from a business standpoint, I'd totally understand the thinking.

Thats just not going to happen. Nintendo's N64 and Gamecube weren't exactly the best systems of their time but Nintendo still made money off of each and continued on. Same with the Wii U. They also have their handheld business as an unrivaled cash cow that basically ensures they can be as creative and experimental as they'd like on their console hardware.

Even in a worst-case scenario where the PS4 and Next Box come out and completely dominate the Wii U in sales(this is just hyperthetical btw) Nintendo still wouldn't have to kill the system. All they would have to do is give it a budget price and watch the profits roll in. This would also give them a decent piece of the market that neither the PS4 or Next Box could touch due to their higher prices. Sure it'd still have to compete with the 360 and PS3 at lower price points but as long as the system was still selling ok in Japan I think Nintendo will be just fine.....atleast for now.

[M.Buster2184]

Wish I wasn't so indecisive. I've been loving the 3DS and it's slowly been reminding me of why I loved Nintendo so many years ago. This re-discovered love has me thinking about getting a Wii U. It's definitely not off to a great start, and once the new Xbox and PS4 come out it will behind lacking technologically, but that isn't a huge concern of mine. I'm trying to be optimistic and hope/assume that Nintendo will start cranking out better Wii U games, but we can only wait. I guess my main concern is dropping the money on it, attempting to support Nintendo, and then it ends up being a modern day Saturn. I can only imagine my or anyone's disappointment.

[ZP3]

Sure, Nintendo can release a 3D Mario, and a Mario Kart and the windwaker remake etc, etc. They can drop the price of the unit ($199.99 for the basic model would make the most sense). If Nintendo could really stomach such a huge price slash on the system, and assuming those 3 games deliver the goods, they can potentially take the Wii U from Virtual Boy level disaster to GameCube. What I mean by GameCube, is the kind of sales and 3rd part support that the GameCube got.




I think it may be a little early to call this a "virtual boy failure". Realistically, the Wii U in its first four months of life has outperformed the PS3 and Xbox 360 in sales. Look at where those two consoles ended up. Another thing, name 3 "killer apps" that launched with either the PS3 or the Xbox 360. I sure can't.

I am not attempting to start a flame war, but sheesh people, give Nintendo some time!

[WCP]

I think it may be a little early to call this a "virtual boy failure". Realistically, the Wii U in its first four months of life has outperformed the PS3 and Xbox 360 in sales. Look at where those two consoles ended up. Another thing, name 3 "killer apps" that launched with either the PS3 or the Xbox 360. I sure can't.

I am not attempting to start a flame war, but sheesh people, give Nintendo some time!


You're asking for 3 killer apps, but the Wii U doesn't have a single killer app. (imo, Mario is a "solid" game, but not a killer app) The PS3 didn't have a single killer app either (sorry Resistance). The PS3 was also priced into the stratosphere. The 360 had Call of Duty 2, NBA 2K6 and Project Gotham Racing 3. I wouldn't call any of those games "killer apps", but they were pretty huge at the time of release. If Wii U is actually selling better than the 360, in the same timespan, that is a bit surprising to me. The only way I could explain that is that the 360 was supply constrained early on, and the Wii U was readily available, and also Nintendo has a built in audience of die-hards that will support any hardware product they release. Xbox, at that time, didn't have as large a dedicated base of fans as Nintendo.

If you look at the Wii U sales, it basically sold at launch to the dedicated Nintendo following, and then also sold some units as a holiday gift, in a year that lacked a specific major gift that all the kids wanted (iPad Mini was probably the closest thing to the most wanted Xmas gift). Once Xmas was in the rearview mirror, the sales basically fell off a cliff. So, while the Wii U's total numbers don't look so horrid, you have to take all the facts into consideration.

I would have to say that right now it actually is a Virtual Boy level disaster, based on all the 3rd parties pulling support left and right. Wii U projects have been cancelled with wreckless abandon and huge 3rd party companies are showing zero confidence in the future of the Wii U as a platform. Now, I will admit that I'm not privy to how far along that 3D Mario game is, or how good it is. If it's coming out this year, and it's really, really good, it could potentially singlehandedly save this platform. We know that. Mario has a way of coming along and changing the game. Look what Super Mario 3D Land did for the fortunes of the 3DS. That one, two combination punch with Mario and Mario Kart, was the paddles to the chest of the dying patient. That and the price drop.

So the template is there for Nintendo to get this ship back on track, but again, it's going to depend on how far along the Mario and Mario Kart games are. If the games are guaranteed to come out sometime in 2013, and if Nintendo can stomach a huge price drop, and if the games are actually up to par, then yes, Nintendo can turn this whole thing around. I think even the most hardcore Nintendo supporters have to agree that we are talking about a lot of "ifs" here. It's not impossible, but it's asking for a lot. My point of contention, is that even if all of this comes to fruition, I think Nintendo is only looking at a GameCube level of success, and I'm not sure it's ultimately going to be worth it for them to keep this thing just barely treading above water.

[Tupin]

Watching the latest Nintendo Directs, you'd think that Nintendo has all but forgotten about the Wii U. The 3DS is finally doing well and has a ton of games coming out for it this year, but the Wii U? The best game on it is what, Lego City Undercover?

[ZP3]

You're asking for 3 killer apps, but the Wii U doesn't have a single killer app. (imo, Mario is a "solid" game, but not a killer app) The PS3 didn't have a single killer app either (sorry Resistance). The PS3 was also priced into the stratosphere. The 360 had Call of Duty 2, NBA 2K6 and Project Gotham Racing 3. I wouldn't call any of those games "killer apps", but they were pretty huge at the time of release. If Wii U is actually selling better than the 360, in the same timespan, that is a bit surprising to me. The only way I could explain that is that the 360 was supply constrained early on, and the Wii U was readily available, and also Nintendo has a built in audience of die-hards that will support any hardware product they release. Xbox, at that time, didn't have as large a dedicated base of fans as Nintendo.

If you look at the Wii U sales, it basically sold at launch to the dedicated Nintendo following, and then also sold some units as a holiday gift, in a year that lacked a specific major gift that all the kids wanted (iPad Mini was probably the closest thing to the most wanted Xmas gift). Once Xmas was in the rearview mirror, the sales basically fell off a cliff. So, while the Wii U's total numbers don't look so horrid, you have to take all the facts into consideration.

I would have to say that right now it actually is a Virtual Boy level disaster, based on all the 3rd parties pulling support left and right. Wii U projects have been cancelled with wreckless abandon and huge 3rd party companies are showing zero confidence in the future of the Wii U as a platform. Now, I will admit that I'm not privy to how far along that 3D Mario game is, or how good it is. If it's coming out this year, and it's really, really good, it could potentially singlehandedly save this platform. We know that. Mario has a way of coming along and changing the game. Look what Super Mario 3D Land did for the fortunes of the 3DS. That one, two combination punch with Mario and Mario Kart, was the paddles to the chest of the dying patient. That and the price drop.

So the template is there for Nintendo to get this ship back on track, but again, it's going to depend on how far along the Mario and Mario Kart games are. If the games are guaranteed to come out sometime in 2013, and if Nintendo can stomach a huge price drop, and if the games are actually up to par, then yes, Nintendo can turn this whole thing around. I think even the most hardcore Nintendo supporters have to agree that we are talking about a lot of "ifs" here. It's not impossible, but it's asking for a lot. My point of contention, is that even if all of this comes to fruition, I think Nintendo is only looking at a GameCube level of success, and I'm not sure it's ultimately going to be worth it for them to keep this thing just barely treading above water.

I guess the only thing I can muster is that lackluster sales doesn't necessarily mean no support. The Gamecube sold poorly (compared to other Nintendo platforms) yet still had, in my opinion, some of the greatest first party games that Nintendo has ever released. Hopefully, this will be the same for the Wii U.

[ZP3]

Also, everything that I've heard about Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate points to it being pretty dang good.

[WCP]

I guess the only thing I can muster is that lackluster sales doesn't necessarily mean no support. The Gamecube sold poorly (compared to other Nintendo platforms) yet still had, in my opinion, some of the greatest first party games that Nintendo has ever released. Hopefully, this will be the same for the Wii U.


Yeah, the GameCube had it's share of great games, and 90 percent of them were developed and published by Nintendo themselves. The problem was, that the 3rd parties didn't really make any money during the GameCube era, and Nintendo can only develop so many games at a time. Unfortunately, Nintendo is pretty notorious for taking years to bring out their great games. Sure, when the games finally arrive, they will likely be very good, but it's the long waits between releases that is trying on their user base. If the 3rd parties felt that they could make some profit off their GameCube games, it would have gotten much more support. It's just hard for 3rd parties to justify the development costs for working on Wii U, when all it's momentum seems to be nonexistent at this moment.

I'm not hoping for a Nintendo failure or anything. I was just thinking out loud, about the idea of potentially killing off a product prematurely. This is something that Sony must be considering behind closed doors, when it comes to PS Vita. PS Vita is pretty much in the exact same scenario as the Wii U, and I'm sure that Sony has had internal discussions about pulling the plug on the Vita. (as a Vita owner and supporter, I know how it feels to own a product that could be DOA). Obviously, it sucks and it's easy to feel buyers remorse.

We'll have to see what happens when e3 comes and see if Nintendo is going to double down on the Wii U, or let it die on the vine. It will be an interesting decision either way.

[ZP3]

We'll have to see what happens when e3 comes and see if Nintendo is going to double down on the Wii U, or let it die on the vine. It will be an interesting decision either way.

For the sake of gamers everywhere, lets hope that Mario 3D and Mario Kart are playable at E3. May the force be with us.

[Gregger]

I love my Wii U! not necessarily for its games though. It's an amazing media hub. There's something invaluable about being able to turn off the TV and netflix and the wii U all at the same time from the Wii U tablet. Overall I've been pleasantly surprised by the Wii U.

[ZP3]

I love my Wii U! not necessarily for its games though. It's an amazing media hub. There's something invaluable about being able to turn off the TV and netflix and the wii U all at the same time from the Wii U tablet. Overall I've been pleasantly surprised by the Wii U.

Thats good to hear! How is the internet browsing experience?

[ProjectCamaro]

In yesterday's Nintendo Direct, it was announced the following improvements and features will be added to Wii U following the system update next week:

•Loading times will be improved when switching between software or when returning to the Wii U menu.
•The ability to copy and move data between USB drives will be added.
•The Wii U will automatically install new software that you have downloaded in the background while playing a game.
•Software updates will automatically be downloaded (even without starting the software).
•You can immediately access Wii Mode while the Wii U is starting up if you hold the B button.
•The Wii U will continue downloading and installing software even if the system is turned off.
•The Wii U Virtual Console will be added the day after the update.

[ZP3]

I'm pumped for Earthbound coming to the VC!

[M.Buster2184]

Well everyone, I didn't go out with the intent, but I came home Friday evening with a Wii U. It was the ZombiU bundle. Came with pro controller and a copy of Zombi U, seemed like a good deal to me at the time. I'm happy with it. This is the first new Nintendo system I've purchased since the GameCube in 2002. While I will admit I'm now looking forward to more quality games, I do enjoy Nintendo Land and I personally think ZombiU is a good game.

[ZP3]

Well everyone, I didn't go out with the intent, but I came home Friday evening with a Wii U. It was the ZombiU bundle. Came with pro controller and a copy of Zombi U, seemed like a good deal to me at the time. I'm happy with it. This is the first new Nintendo system I've purchased since the GameCube in 2002. While I will admit I'm now looking forward to more quality games, I do enjoy Nintendo Land and I personally think ZombiU is a good game.

Glad to see you are enjoying the system! I personally haven't gotten one yet, but will be getting one within the week. For sure looking forward to more games just like you.

[ZP3]

So yesterday, I got my Wii U. It's amazing. The Gamepad functions well with Nintendoland and NSMBU, all the apps are quick, especially after the update. The Virtual Console is quick and well organized, and the web browser is absolutely great. I know I've only had it for a day, but I have to recommend this system.

[Bojay1997]

So yesterday, I got my Wii U. It's amazing. The Gamepad functions well with Nintendoland and NSMBU, all the apps are quick, especially after the update. The Virtual Console is quick and well organized, and the web browser is absolutely great. I know I've only had it for a day, but I have to recommend this system.

Give it a couple of weeks once the novelty wears off and then post a review. I've had one since launch and loved it for about a week and now haven't played it in months. I hope there are some great games announced and more importantly released soon. because nothing that's been released so far will keep your interest for very long.

[ZP3]

Give it a couple of weeks once the novelty wears off and then post a review. I've had one since launch and loved it for about a week and now haven't played it in months. I hope there are some great games announced and more importantly released soon. because nothing that's been released so far will keep your interest for very long.

Played Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate?

[Tanooki]

Monster Hunter is an acquired taste and you also have to have a crap ton of free time in your life to even bother with it due to the insanely large size the game is between the hunting, scavenging and working to craft better gear and items. I don't have it. I got my time in a bit on the 3rd one PSP got and I got fed up with it about 20hours in as it was just overkill as it requires just too much effort so you need a totally clean plate and no distractions(from people to other games) for months to get value out of it.

He's right, there's little to nothing new for the WiiU since it came out that wasn't already on another system for a bit, or just doesn't fairly well suck.

I can't wait for something new to use it for other than 30 cent VC games once a month and now finally using it just to mess with Metroid Prime Trilogy, a WII GAME.

[Bojay1997]

Played Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate?

Yep. Unfortunately, I have been a Monster Hunter fan for a while now and I just didn't think the WiiU version added much to what was already there in the PS2 and Wii versions.

[ZP3]

Oh. See, I've never played a game in the series. Really looking forward to picking it up!

[kupomogli]

and now finally using it just to mess with Metroid Prime Trilogy, a WII GAME.

If you like playing older consoles though, then that's really not bad though. Playing the games upscaled looks so much better than standard def.

[Griking]

EA has decided to not release this year's Madden on the Wii-U. This will be the first time since 1991 that Madden won't be on Nintendo's current console.

"While EA supported Nintendo's new system at launch with ports of four legacy titles, including Mass Effect 3, the publisher doesn't currently have any announced titles for the system in the pipeline. "

Certainly this isn't the sign of a console that's doing well.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/false-start-eas-madden-skipping-the-wii-u-this-year/

[Akov456]

I always look at my wiiU and get angry. It has so much potential and Nintendo is letting it die. This may even be the system to play Watch Dogs on if they put some effort into it.

[Graham Mitchell]

I mostly use mine to catch up on wii games I missed out on over the years, since I sold mine out of frustration in 2008. It's cool for that, but yeah, it needs some quality exclusives. I enjoy nintendo land but its not enough. Zombi u is obnoxiously difficult, and nsmb u is fairly uninspired.

[Press_Start]

EA has decided to not release this year's Madden on the Wii-U. This will be the first time since 1991 that Madden won't be on Nintendo's current console.

"While EA supported Nintendo's new system at launch with ports of four legacy titles, including Mass Effect 3, the publisher doesn't currently have any announced titles for the system in the pipeline. "

Certainly this isn't the sign of a console that's doing well.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/false-start-eas-madden-skipping-the-wii-u-this-year/

Like Crysis 3, EA most likely already have a perfectly working WiiU version of Madden waiting in the wings somewhere but obviously they're still butthurt over the fact Nintendo didn't bend over for Origins like they wanted them to.

[WCP]

To the guys that just bought Wii U's... I hope you got it at Target or Costco, and kept your receipt. Reason being, I have to feel that a pricedrop is incoming in the near term. Hold onto that receipt, because it could be worth $100 coming back to you.. A price drop announced at e3 wouldn't be completely unprecedented considering the current sales. Normally, Nintendo would wait till late August for the price drop. (Have you ever noticed that most console price drops come in August ?)

If they don't drop the price at e3, then I would be thinking August.

[ZP3]

To the guys that just bought Wii U's... I hope you got it at Target or Costco, and kept your receipt. Reason being, I have to feel that a pricedrop is incoming in the near term. Hold onto that receipt, because it could be worth $100 coming back to you.. A price drop announced at e3 wouldn't be completely unprecedented considering the current sales. Normally, Nintendo would wait till late August for the price drop. (Have you ever noticed that most console price drops come in August ?)

If they don't drop the price at e3, then I would be thinking August.

Best Buy wouldn't honor a drop?

[The 1 2 P]

As long as it's within 30 days(45 for premier silver members) Best Buy will honor the price drop.

[Bojay1997]

As long as it's within 30 days(45 for premier silver members) Best Buy will honor the price drop.

Incorrect. Best Buy's policy is now 15 days for non-Silver and only if they are the ones doing the drop. They will only match drops at other retailers at purchase now.

[WCP]

Incorrect. Best Buy's policy is now 15 days for non-Silver and only if they are the ones doing the drop. They will only match drops at other retailers at purchase now.

This is why it's a good deal to buy at Target, because if you use the Target red card thing (which can be just a Target Debit Card if you want it to), you get 5 percent off, which isn't that big of a deal, but it does help with taxes, but I also think you get a 90 day return policy. Costco will also honor price drops such as this for 90 days at least. (heck with Costco, if the price drop was in the last 6 months they would probably honor it if you talk to a manager)

[PreZZ]

The only game I have played (and bought) so far is Sonic All stars racing, and its available on all platforms! There is not a single game im interested in the Wii U library, maybe if I didnt have a ps3 or 360 games like darksiders, batman and codblops2 would be a little bit more interesting... NSMBU looks exactly the same as the wii/ds/3ds version, almost feels like it could be DLC for another NSMB game. Nintendoland feels like a 2.99 ios game, its fun for 5 minutes but then you get bored. Did not like ZombiU, felt like a generic zombie game with average gameplay and graphics. I did not try Lego city, I never liked the Lego games, its just a collecting stuff snore fest, but I will give it a try if I find it cheap. Already played monster hunter on regular wii... So there really is no reason to play it for me so far, I regret buying it at launch. Let's hope nintendo can save this mess, because you know when EA wont release a second Madden game on your brand new platform, you're in deep shit.

[WCP]

Let's hope nintendo can save this mess, because you know when EA wont release a second Madden game on your brand new platform, you're in deep shit.

I don't think Madden is as important as in years past. I remember when EA wouldn't make Dreamcast games, and it helped kill the Dreamcast. I think we are in a different environment now. First off, most sports gamers aren't going to be interested in Wii U anyways. Not having a Madden on the PS4 or Xbox Durango would be a much bigger deal, because more sports gamers would gravitate to those systems. Nintendo systems have never been known as the ideal system to have if you're a sports gamer.


The bottom line is that Nintendo needs an absolutely killer Mario game at e3. If they have it, and it blows everybody's socks off, then they are back in the game. If Nintendo doesn't have it, they might as well pull the plug on the entire Wii U experiment and go back to the drawing board for a new system in 2015.

[PreZZ]

I don't think Madden is as important as in years past. I remember when EA wouldn't make Dreamcast games, and it helped kill the Dreamcast. I think we are in a different environment now. First off, most sports gamers aren't going to be interested in Wii U anyways. Not having a Madden on the PS4 or Xbox Durango would be a much bigger deal, because more sports gamers would gravitate to those systems. Nintendo systems have never been known as the ideal system to have if you're a sports gamer.


The bottom line is that Nintendo needs an absolutely killer Mario game at e3. If they have it, and it blows everybody's socks off, then they are back in the game. If Nintendo doesn't have it, they might as well pull the plug on the entire Wii U experiment and go back to the drawing board for a new system in 2015.

Not having a million seller game available everywhere else is not good news. While I agree that nintendo consoles arent known as being the console of choice for sports game, not having the option to buy it for someone who only owns a Wii U only contributes to the bad vibe of the console and for a casual football fan to look elsewhere for is console of choice. Not having EA sports game on your console makes it easy for sports fans to look elsewhere when buying a console, and those who already bought it will feel bad about buying the Wii U since Madden was released at launch and probably thought next edtions of madden were guaranteed release. I would have bought a wii u version of Nhl Hockey for sure.

[The 1 2 P]

Incorrect. Best Buy's policy is now 15 days for non-Silver and only if they are the ones doing the drop. They will only match drops at other retailers at purchase now.

Yeah I was thinking of the return policy. Luckily I've never had to do any price matches at Best Buy.

As for Madden not appearing on the Wii U, I'll agree that it's not a good sign. It didn't make any sense to me until someone mentioned on another site that it probably has something to do with EA's Origin.

[WCP]

much more disturbing than not having Madden is that games like Bioshock Infinite and Tomb Raider and stuff like that isn't coming to the Wii U. Aliens Colonial Marines was supposedly totally finished, and ready to come out, but was cancelled at the last minute. When you have a game that is totally finished and you still don't bring it out, because it isn't worth the trouble, that is a REALLY bad sign.

I was listening to this one podcast, and this one guy was saying that he's seen the full NPD data reports, and he said that if you had seen how many units some of the 3rd party games have sold, you would have been blown away by how crappy they have sold. He said he couldn't name names, but that there were some really big 3rd party games that sold less than 20,000 units.

Publishers pay NPD the money to see these full reports. and when they see that game X sold less than 20,000 units on the Wii U, it's not surprising that a publisher would cancel a game that is already finished and ready to go, because it's not worth the marketing budget to even bring the thing out. It's not worth the royalties that they would have to pay Nintendo. It's now going to turn into a "chicken and egg" game for Nintendo. No 3rd parties are going to bring out anything even remotely worthwhile until the installed base jumps dramatically, and even then, I still think they will be cautious, because they are going to wait to see if ANY 3rd party games can sell more than 200K units.

A killer 3D Mario could come along and single handedly revive the Wii U, but 3rd party publishers aren't going to care all that much, till they see a 3rd party game sell more than 200K units in the first month.

[Bojay1997]

Yeah I was thinking of the return policy. Luckily I've never had to do any price matches at Best Buy.

As for Madden not appearing on the Wii U, I'll agree that it's not a good sign. It didn't make any sense to me until someone mentioned on another site that it probably has something to do with EA's Origin.

Unfortunately, the Best Buy return policy is now 15 days as well for non-Silver. On the Madden thing, I doubt it's about Origin. EA's primary motivation is money and if there was significant money to be made on the WiiU, they would be there, Origin or no.

[Buyatari]

Unfortunately, the Best Buy return policy is now 15 days as well for non-Silver. On the Madden thing, I doubt it's about Origin. EA's primary motivation is money and if there was significant money to be made on the WiiU, they would be there, Origin or no.

Well it could also just be the inability of EA to have their shit together.

Does everyone forget about the NBA Elite fiasco?

That being said EA isn't doing so great and in recent times their sports games have had better sales for PS3 and 360 than on the Wii. Who knows why they didn't release Madden this time around but I wouldn't read too much into this. Wii U sales are not very strong but they have one distinct advantage and that is and has always been their 1st party software. After a few must have 1st party titles this system should do just fine.

Nintendo has a Disney type strategy where they allow the other consoles to fight over the same demographic while Nintendo just swoops up the family/kids without a fight.

[ZP3]

Has anyone else bought and played with a pro controller and found that they prefer the gamepad? Obviously, this will be the reverse for games such as Mario Kart and Smash Bros, but for the majority of games I have played, the gamepad is awesome!

[Griking]

I was listening to this one podcast, and this one guy was saying that he's seen the full NPD data reports, and he said that if you had seen how many units some of the 3rd party games have sold, you would have been blown away by how crappy they have sold. He said he couldn't name names, but that there were some really big 3rd party games that sold less than 20,000 units.

Hmm, sounds like a bunch of possible uncommon collector's items for down the road.

[Griking]

mispost

[kupomogli]

I was listening to this one podcast, and this one guy was saying that he's seen the full NPD data reports, and he said that if you had seen how many units some of the 3rd party games have sold, you would have been blown away by how crappy they have sold. He said he couldn't name names, but that there were some really big 3rd party games that sold less than 20,000 units.

Need For Speed Most Wanted. Why support the console when people aren't buying the games they're porting over to it. The Wii U version had PC textures and ran overall better than the other two versions in both cutscenes and gameplay(20FPS on PS360,) but during gameplay, PS3 and Wii U ran almost identical, 360 had framerate drops but never much. So it was a great port.

Nintendo fans wonder why EA isn't supporting them. They couldn't care less about you and want your money. Since you didn't support just about every released game of theirs, then they won't support your console until there is a higher install base and they know they'll get money.

[Press_Start]

Nintendo fans wonder why EA isn't supporting them. They couldn't care less about you and want your money. Since you didn't support just about every released game of theirs, then they won't support your console until there is a higher install base and they know they'll get money.

Or it could be the fact that EA treats its consumers like dumb dips#!ts. <*cough*SimCity DRM*cough*> Or the fact EA didn't bother porting all 3-games in the Mass Effects Trilogy to Wii U. Or the fact they purposely withhold a fully-developed, fully-functioning, fully-working port for Wii U. <*cough*Crysis 3*cough*> Or the fact they so dam cheap to put a decent ad campaign for Need for Speed Most Wanted. Or the fact they want us cough up for re-skinned $50 roster updates. <*cough*Fifa 12*cough*> Or maybe EA is the worst video game company for a reason and....blaming Nintendo fans for not swallowing one company's BS really really REALLY does not make you the best person to be talking on the topic at-hand.

[ZP3]

Aliens Colonial Marines was supposedly totally finished, and ready to come out, but was cancelled at the last minute. When you have a game that is totally finished and you still don't bring it out, because it isn't worth the trouble, that is a REALLY bad sign.
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Isn't ACM terrible anyways?

[kupomogli]

Or it could be the fact that EA treats its consumers like dumb dips#!ts. <*cough*SimCity DRM*cough*> Or the fact EA didn't bother porting all 3-games in the Mass Effects Trilogy to Wii U. Or the fact they purposely withhold a fully-developed, fully-functioning, fully-working port for Wii U. <*cough*Crysis 3*cough*> Or the fact they so dam cheap to put a decent ad campaign for Need for Speed Most Wanted. Or the fact they want us cough up for re-skinned $50 roster updates. <*cough*Fifa 12*cough*> Or maybe EA is the worst video game company for a reason and....blaming Nintendo fans for not swallowing one company's BS really really REALLY does not make you the best person to be talking on the topic at-hand.

What AAA publisher doesn't add DRM to PC games? Sim City might have had issues, but unlike other developers with major issues, it was fixed in "four days."

PS3 owners didn't get the first Mass Effect but the second game still sold well. The third game was released and it sold well, so what do you know, a port of the first game might actually be a good investment. The Wii U on the other hand came out after the third g ame was released so they started with the third game, much like the PS3 started out with the second game. The third game then sells 50,000 so why would EA decide to port over the first and second when they'll get potentially lower sales? Even at 50,000 sales, a port is hardly even worth it.

Costs of publishing, manufacturing, and shipping costs for marginal revenue, if the game sells at all. Going by the poor Wii U sales of Call of Duty, what makes you think Crysis 3 would sell even halfway decent? Besides. Why the bitching about Crysis 3 when the Wii U didn't get Crysis 2. Sounds a bit hypocritical when you were just bitching about not getting the rest of the Mass Effect Trilogy. If Crysis 3 did release, you'd still bitch about EA not getting Crytek to port Crysis 2. It's a lose lose situation when dealing with Nintendo fanboys.

Or the fact that they're so damn cheap they can't afford to make a decent campaign for NFS Most Wanted? What? You mean the exact same game that has the same content of all the other versions, additional extras such as changing times of day at any time, removing all traffic, removing cops from the road. They did all this to cater to the Nintendo's family friendly outlook because parents could let their kids play and tune the settings for it to be easier, or helping them out when they need it. Then as I mentioned, the Wii U version being the only one to include the same textures as the PC, even though they could have had them on both the PS360 if they wanted to, whether they had to do a mandatory install or an extra install for 360 like on Battlefield 3.

Then finally, you mention Fifa '12, which you mean '13, as '12 was never on the Wii U. Glad you mentioned this because it proves that your're just bitching just to bitch. That your baseless EA hate is the same as 99.9% of every other EA hater that cries out about how bad of a company EA is, and in this comment specifically, what lengths you go to defend Nintendo, even making false accusations. The problem with your bitching about the game being a reskinned version of Fifa '12, is that it's not the Wii U version. It's clear that you've heard about Fifa '13 being reskinned with better textures, but it was the Vita and "Wii." Not the Vita and "Wii U."

It was still a lazy port for Wii and Vita, but then again, it's not like EA is the only developer/publisher who does lazy ports or sequels. Look at the last few years of 2K's MLB series. Look at every Warner Bros Vita game and how they're nothing but upscaled 3DS games. Capcom's long list of prerelease DLC that's included on disc. The list goes on.

So anyways. Why aren't Wii U owners, or atleast you since you're making such a big deal about it, bitching about not getting Assassin's Creed 1, 2, Bloodlines, and Revelations? The Assassin's Creed series, like Mass Effect, are all direct sequels. Nintendo bought the rights to Bayonetta 2 as an exclusive, but what about the first Bayonetta? Why aren't Wii U fans bitching about Nintendo not getting the release of the first Bayonetta. The list could go on.

Nintendo fans just bitch when its beneficial to making Nintendo look better. Who cares that the rest of the Assassin's Creed series isn't on the Wii U, or Bayonetta. Let's bitch about EA because EA has recently made previous business decisions to not support the Wii U until more market penetration because they're getting no sales from the fanbase. Nintendo fans gloat over exclusivity of a series western fans didn't care about, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, then they don't buy it. Then when games don't get announced on the Wii U. "I was never going to buy it anyways." The I was never going to buy it anyways thing is true, since most Nintendo fanboys never support third party. Why complain then that a game you were never going to play isn't coming to your console then?

[Bojay1997]

What AAA publisher doesn't add DRM to PC games? Sim City might have had issues, but unlike other developers with major issues, it was fixed in "four days."

PS3 owners didn't get the first Mass Effect but the second game still sold well. The third game was released and it sold well, so what do you know, a port of the first game might actually be a good investment. The Wii U on the other hand came out after the third g ame was released so they started with the third game, much like the PS3 started out with the second game. The third game then sells 50,000 so why would EA decide to port over the first and second when they'll get potentially lower sales? Even at 50,000 sales, a port is hardly even worth it.

Costs of publishing, manufacturing, and shipping costs for marginal revenue, if the game sells at all. Going by the poor Wii U sales of Call of Duty, what makes you think Crysis 3 would sell even halfway decent? Besides. Why the bitching about Crysis 3 when the Wii U didn't get Crysis 2. Sounds a bit hypocritical when you were just bitching about not getting the rest of the Mass Effect Trilogy. If Crysis 3 did release, you'd still bitch about EA not getting Crytek to port Crysis 2. It's a lose lose situation when dealing with Nintendo fanboys.

Or the fact that they're so damn cheap they can't afford to make a decent campaign for NFS Most Wanted? What? You mean the exact same game that has the same content of all the other versions, additional extras such as changing times of day at any time, removing all traffic, removing cops from the road. They did all this to cater to the Nintendo's family friendly outlook because parents could let their kids play and tune the settings for it to be easier, or helping them out when they need it. Then as I mentioned, the Wii U version being the only one to include the same textures as the PC, even though they could have had them on both the PS360 if they wanted to, whether they had to do a mandatory install or an extra install for 360 like on Battlefield 3.

Then finally, you mention Fifa '12, which you mean '13, as '12 was never on the Wii U. Glad you mentioned this because it proves that your're just bitching just to bitch. That your baseless EA hate is the same as 99.9% of every other EA hater that cries out about how bad of a company EA is, and in this comment specifically, what lengths you go to defend Nintendo, even making false accusations. The problem with your bitching about the game being a reskinned version of Fifa '12, is that it's not the Wii U version. It's clear that you've heard about Fifa '13 being reskinned with better textures, but it was the Vita and "Wii." Not the Vita and "Wii U."

It was still a lazy port for Wii and Vita, but then again, it's not like EA is the only developer/publisher who does lazy ports or sequels. Look at the last few years of 2K's MLB series. Look at every Warner Bros Vita game and how they're nothing but upscaled 3DS games. Capcom's long list of prerelease DLC that's included on disc. The list goes on.

So anyways. Why aren't Wii U owners, or atleast you since you're making such a big deal about it, bitching about not getting Assassin's Creed 1, 2, Bloodlines, and Revelations? The Assassin's Creed series, like Mass Effect, are all direct sequels. Nintendo bought the rights to Bayonetta 2 as an exclusive, but what about the first Bayonetta? Why aren't Wii U fans bitching about Nintendo not getting the release of the first Bayonetta. The list could go on.

Nintendo fans just bitch when its beneficial to making Nintendo look better. Who cares that the rest of the Assassin's Creed series isn't on the Wii U, or Bayonetta. Let's bitch about EA because EA has recently made previous business decisions to not support the Wii U until more market penetration because they're getting no sales from the fanbase. Nintendo fans gloat over exclusivity of a series western fans didn't care about, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, then they don't buy it. Then when games don't get announced on the Wii U. "I was never going to buy it anyways." The I was never going to buy it anyways thing is true, since most Nintendo fanboys never support third party. Why complain then that a game you were never going to play isn't coming to your console then?

Actually, most PC games do not require a full-time connection as part of their DRM. It's usually just a one-time authorization and then use of a Steam or similar account for multiplayer. Ubisoft and EA seem to be the worst perpetrators of the whole always on DRM thing. Most publishers also don't lie about whether or not it is possible to play the game without being on-line like Maxis/EA did.

As for the other stuff, Fifa 12 and 13 on the Wii were reskinned as well. http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/10/fifa-13-wii/

I know this is just more of your Nintendo hate, but many of us are smart enough not to be fanboys of any particular system as they all have great games.

[kupomogli]

As for the other stuff, Fifa 12 and 13 on the Wii were reskinned as well. http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/10/fifa-13-wii/

I know that. I said it in my post. " It's clear that you've heard about Fifa '13 being reskinned with better textures, but it was the Vita and "Wii." Not the Vita and "Wii U.""


I know this is just more of your Nintendo hate, but many of us are smart enough not to be fanboys of any particular system as they all have great games.

And I am not denying that Nintendo Wii and Wii U have great games. I posted a reply about a podcast WCP listened to and the game that got the poor sales was Need For Speed Most Wanted, so there's a reason that EA stopped supporting Nintendo. Press Start, as usual, jumped on my case for attacking Nintendo.

Which I wasn't attacking Nintendo at all. I was stating how Nintendo fans, didn't even label them as fanboys, don't support when developers release games but then bitch about them when they don't. It costs money to publish and ship games. If they're not going to get a return on the money that they put out, why should they support Nintendo fans?

You guys know I own current gen Nintendo consoles, not the Wii U though. And as I've said plenty of times before, I don't see people bitching about me bashing Sony games or when I think Sony fucks up on something, but any time I say anything remotely bad about Nintendo, we have fanboys like Press_Start jumping in and making up complete bullshit. Anything to make it look like Nintendo isn't the one in the wrong.

Here's the thread I started about my impression of the new PSN. It's also much slower than it was when it first launched, so that's another bad thing about it. I don't ever go on it anymore. But yeah. People totally ignore that I'm bashing the Playstation because oh. Playstation fanboy is bashing the Playstation? Doesn't matter. Then. Playstation fanboy is making a comment that doesn't praise Nintendo? OMFG O_O. WE HAVE TO STOP THIS SHIT NOW!! Nintendo Defense Force up, up, and away!!

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?164688-What-do-you-think-of-the-new-Playstation-Store

[geneshifter]

Everyone is a fan of one platform or another. Most even have a favorite. No need to have fan wars over the "better" platform. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

On topic, I am very concerned for the WiiU. My daughter and I enjoyed playing it over christmas but I ended up returning it due to a locking up problem I was having. Luckily I got all my money back. Now that a patch has been applied I am wanting to try it again but honestly I am having second thoughts about buying it at all until they have a price cut. The way things have unfolded the last 5 months is very reminiscent of the Wii and how it was seen as a secondary console to the main 2. Seems like Nintendo really missed the mark in trying to compete with the other systems. It would have been better if they had stuck with the line that they are their own unique system and not really in competition with Sony and MS.

[otaku]

local guy has one for only $250 but all I can think of playing is nintendo land and mario bros 2 not sure its worth it yet.

[ZP3]

local guy has one for only $250 but all I can think of playing is nintendo land and mario bros 2 not sure its worth it yet.

Are you a fan of survival horror in any way?

[Gamevet]

PS3 owners didn't get the first Mass Effect but the second game still sold well. The third game was released and it sold well, so what do you know, a port of the first game might actually be a good investment. The Wii U on the other hand came out after the third g ame was released so they started with the third game, much like the PS3 started out with the second game. The third game then sells 50,000 so why would EA decide to port over the first and second when they'll get potentially lower sales? Even at 50,000 sales, a port is hardly even worth it.



They didn't get the first Mass Effect before ME2, but it's available with the Mass Effect Trilogy.

Yeah, I kind of see what you're saying, but it would have been a huge investment to port all 3 games to the Wii U, so late in the game. I'm pretty sure most of the people that wanted to play ME have already played it on the 360, PS3 and PC by now. EA basically threw Nintendo a bone with ME3.

[kupomogli]

^That's what I meant. The first one was a good investment because the second and third sold so well.

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I wasn't attacking Nintendo on that long rant as rather than defending EA from all the bashing they get that they don't deserve anymore than other shitty publishers this gen. EA does some stuff that annoys me and they're definitely up there like just about every major publisher on bs stunts they pull, but there are worse publishers this gen.