Opinions On Nintendo Age?

[celerystalker]

To be fair that could have been some dude just messing with people. He has three posts in his history, two being sarcastic, one saying he was finger printed and arrested. There's really no proof that's even Nick.

I have no bias in any of this. I don't know anyone involved. I'm just oddly intrigued by this thread. This post killed me, though. You have 6 posts under this name, and they are all in this thread, on this topic, out of nowhere, like you just kinda stumbled randomly across injustice to an internet acquaintance and decided to create an account and join the community this way. Whether you're honest or not, it's an inauspicious start.

[skcin7]

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[Daria]

I have no bias in any of this. I don't know anyone involved. I'm just oddly intrigued by this thread. This post killed me, though. You have 6 posts under this name, and they are all in this thread, on this topic, out of nowhere, like you just kinda stumbled randomly across injustice to an internet acquaintance and decided to create an account and join the community this way. Whether you're honest or not, it's an inauspicious start.

I don't know Nick Morgan from well anyone... but this right here sums up why I'm giving you shit man.

[Leo_A]

And when a community bans a person then proceeds to trash his name and defame his reputation, based on heresay, without allowing him a way to defend himself, which is what happened to me on NintendoAge, that's extraordinarily low, and says a lot about that community.

Were you ever banned here at Digital Press?

[Milenko]

I have no bias in any of this. I don't know anyone involved. I'm just oddly intrigued by this thread. This post killed me, though. You have 6 posts under this name, and they are all in this thread, on this topic, out of nowhere, like you just kinda stumbled randomly across injustice to an internet acquaintance and decided to create an account and join the community this way. Whether you're honest or not, it's an inauspicious start.

Agreed 100%, but I thought it was hilarious portnoyd (whom I also know, but don't know his real name.. Odd around here I guess) called him out (which is fucking hilarious). Initially I made the first post, and I even went into an IRC channel portnoyd is in often and made the comment "please don't hurt me".

Personally, I don't care. I was just trying to clear my own name up from misinformation that started within the thread.

Dick or not, I know the kid. He hasn't screwed me over. Its possible he screwed others over in the past but I don't know that for sure, nor can I honestly be a good judge of character because of the exact reason you pointed out.

[GrandAmChandler]

I do not recognize the mister_slug username, and I also don't recognize many of the other usernames that are said to be me. Some of them I do recognize, like burnambill333.

I really did not want this thread to derail to about me. It's like you guys are accusing me of "beating my wife" when I didn't do it to begin with. This is the type of shit that derail's a politicians campaign when it gets into silly season, and these types of attacks have no basis. Unfortunately this has stuck to me and I've been trying to get it resolved for years now, and yet it keeps getting brought up over and over again. NO I did not reseal any games. NO I was not arrested. That's laughable.

For the record, all of the user names that were mentioned by me above were tied to the same IP address, as part of the moderation team back in 2006, we collectively decided to ban all alternate Nick Morgan accounts from Digital Press due to scamming the community.

[celerystalker]

Personally, I don't care. I was just trying to clear my own name up from misinformation that started within the thread.

I'm honestly confused, so forgive me if I missed something, but I didn't see your name cited anywhere here in order to need defending. Skcin is the only one I've seen called into question, and nobody knew who you were... they thought you were an alt. How did that compel you to join up to defend your unknown name?

[Daria]

I'm honestly confused, so forgive me if I missed something, but I didn't see your name cited anywhere here in order to need defending. Skcin is the only one I've seen called into question, and nobody knew who you were... they thought you were an alt. How did that compel you to join up to defend your unknown name?

It's really tough keeping those alt accounts straight.

Edit: I also love how Nick's skcin7 account's first post on DP was to dredge up a 4 month old NA bashing thread.

[Milenko]

I'm honestly confused, so forgive me if I missed something, but I didn't see your name cited anywhere here in order to need defending. Skcin is the only one I've seen called into question, and nobody knew who you were... they thought you were an alt. How did that compel you to join up to defend your unknown name?

You misunderstood what I was talking about.

I said what I had to say about skcin7, then someone went and googled my nick and his. So that's where I had to defend myself.

[Tanooki]

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[celerystalker]

You misunderstood what I was talking about.

I said what I had to say about skcin7, then someone went and googled my nick and his. So that's where I had to defend myself.

If that's the case, I feel compelled once again to question your motives for joining Digital Press as a community, because there are a million better ways than jumping unknown and unannounced into a volatile conversation. I can only see three reasons from what you've said.

1. You randomly stumbled into this thread, which has nothing to do with skcin in its title, and felt compelled to create an account and jump in to save the good name of someone you already have a place to trade with on reddit.

2. You have beef with portnoyd, and decided this was a great chance to bring whatever bullshit feud you have to another venue.

3. You're an alt, and that's why someone Googled your nick.

I would hope it would be none of these, but your intro to this forum directly raises the question.

[skcin7]

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[Milenko]

If that's the case, I feel compelled once again to question your motives for joining Digital Press as a community, because there are a million better ways than jumping unknown and unannounced into a volatile conversation. I can only see three reasons from what you've said.

1. You randomly stumbled into this thread, which has nothing to do with skcin in its title, and felt compelled to create an account and jump in to save the good name of someone you already have a place to trade with on reddit.

2. You have beef with portnoyd, and decided this was a great chance to bring whatever bullshit feud you have to another venue.

3. You're an alt, and that's why someone Googled your nick.

I would hope it would be none of these, but your intro to this forum directly raises the question.

I was given the link by another member and signed up to leave my two cents because it was funny, nothing more. No beef with anybody, I love portnoyd. And I'm definitely not an alt. I would have been fine just leaving it at my first post, I stand by that to date dude hasn't screwed me over. That's all I really have to say about the guy. All I asked for was proof of his shenanigans and then got called an alt lol

[GrandAmChandler]

Well I don't recognize many of those usernames, GrandAmChandler, and regardless of usernames, I am innocent of the things you accuse me of, and I certainly never scammed anyone. The thread you point to happened when I was 17, and I'm 28 now. 11 years have passed since then, and I have more positive transactions with people than most people have posts. I get it, this is the Internet, you're probably bored and don't have much better to do, and trashing somebody's reputation is lulz worthy. There's a lot of lulz in this sort of thing. But let it go man.

To give you an idea of how much GrandAmChandler hates me, I won a copy of Wayne's World for Game Boy from him on eBay a few years ago, paid for it immediately, didn't even know it was GrandAmChandler. The next day I get a refund, and when I tried to email him through eBay to ask why, I found out that I was blocked! I didn't even know what happened or why until a few days later when I found him trashing my name on NintendoAge. I was so tempted to leave you negative feedback man, and honestly you deserve it and worse, but I decided it would be a better idea not to and let you keep your perfect rating. I've tried so many times to patch things up with you and you continue to choose to hate me. What does this say about your maturity level. Stop trashing my reputation. If you have a complaint about me or something I do, then tell people and give them actual evidence, and allow me a chance to defend myself. Don't trash people behind their back in a place where they are banned and can't defend themselves. I suggest you grow up and we put this behind us once and for all.

So what you are saying is everything has always been a misunderstanding? That everything claimed in the threads linked is a lie? Heck you even lied about getting arrested? The main problem is no one knows what to believe anymore. Especially when there are direct quotes that contradict your statement: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?159642-Scammer-Alert-Will-Henley&p=2176952&viewfull=1#post2176952

I have no reason to "trash" your reputation, you have done that to yourself plenty in this thread alone. As far as Wayne's World goes, I refuse to deal with you due to your past issues with the retro gaming community.

[skaar]

LOL cocks

[celerystalker]

I was given the link by another member and signed up to leave my two cents because it was funny, nothing more. No beef with anybody, I love portnoyd. And I'm definitely not an alt. I would have been fine just leaving it at my first post, I stand by that to date dude hasn't screwed me over. That's all I really have to say about the guy. All I asked for was proof of his shenanigans and then got called an alt lol

Here's the thing... Digital Press is a long-standing, established community, and they have every right to protect that community from scams and incindieries. I've only been a member for about a year. I'm not a beloved old hand. They have, though, allowed me a place to come and talk about things I'm interested in that not a lot of people in my real life get into, and I've had the opportunity to hear their takes as well. Joining up solely to question the right of this community to warn about a known scammer, whether recent or not, is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Whether skcin was a kid or not when whatever went down, actions have consequences, and you don't just get a pass because you're older. Digital Press does not owe re-entry if the members and mods don't feel comfortable with it, and if you want to weigh in on that, you should make an earnest attempt at contributing to the forums through sharing ideas on the litany of topics available.

This is the only place I post anywhere. Nothing to promote, nothing to profit other than getting to share in mutual interests with others. Dropping in to leave one disruptive post and feeling good about it is a bitch move.

[Daria]

Well I don't recognize many of those usernames, GrandAmChandler, and regardless of usernames, I am innocent of the things you accuse me of, and I certainly never scammed anyone. The thread you point to happened when I was 17, and I'm 28 now. 11 years have passed since then, and I have more positive transactions with people than most people have posts.

So which is it? You're innocent or you made mistakes as a teenage?

[Milenko]

Here's the thing... Digital Press is a long-standing, established community, and they have every right to protect that community from scams and incindieries. I've only been a member for about a year. I'm not a beloved old hand. They have, though, allowed me a place to come and talk about things I'm interested in that not a lot of people in my real life get into, and I've had the opportunity to hear their takes as well. Joining up solely to question the right of this community to warn about a known scammer, whether recent or not, is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Whether skcin was a kid or not when whatever went down, actions have consequences, and you don't just get a pass because you're older. Digital Press does not owe re-entry if the members and mods don't feel comfortable with it, and if you want to weigh in on that, you should make an earnest attempt at contributing to the forums through sharing ideas on the litany of topics available.

This is the only place I post anywhere. Nothing to promote, nothing to profit other than getting to share in mutual interests with others. Dropping in to leave one disruptive post and feeling good about it is a bitch move.

I've lurked here for a while. I created the account to make one comment and add a different view to the onslaught. I don't care if he got banned, gets banned, was banned, is banned. Stole some shit, didnt, etc etc.

If by "making a disruptive comment" means giving a personal view of things opposite other people, then oh shit my bad! Also, nowhere did I question his ban or re-entry, or even suggest such a thing. All I asked for was proof he did dumb shit, because again, I never experienced it.

All I said was I personally have not had a problem with the kid and wanted to see what was provided as proof. That was it. I got my answers, yet people took it upon themselves to stir even more shit, claim I said things that I did not, accuse me of being an alt account and question my motives, ones that I keep fucking repeating.. So, that sir.. was a bitch move.

I would have been done talking about it and this thread would be about 100% less shitty if everyone just quit stirring shit, don't you think your beloved community deserves that?

Can we get back to the topic at hand? Dude asked about NintendoAge; personal opinion about NA, a lot of elitists but its a treasure trove of information.

[o.pwuaioc]

As GAC said, IP threads matched, dude's a liar. Who cares? That he still lies about it 11 years later makes him still untrustworthy. But again, who cares. NA sucks donkey dick. For the last time, too, no fucks are given.

[Milenko]

As GAC said, IP threads matched, dude's a liar. Who cares? That he still lies about it 11 years later makes him still untrustworthy. But again, who cares. NA sucks donkey dick. For the last time, too, no fucks are given.

Yeah, but they got a lot of fucking info up there. I've gotten out of so many bad deals because of peoples cart and board scans.

[Tanooki]

Can we try and stay on topic here, this could go into another thread.

Also by pulling a completed sale on a gameboy game on ebay and then refunding it, that would be hall of shame worthy by NA standards, at least when I was there, regardless if the buyer is a known problem or not. Just something to consider. :) Sales should always be honored, and if you don't want to deal with someone, ebay has a blocking tool.

[Daria]

Can we try and stay on topic here, this could go into another thread.

Also by pulling a completed sale on a gameboy game on ebay and then refunding it, that would be hall of shame worthy by NA standards, at least when I was there, regardless if the buyer is a known problem or not. Just something to consider. :) Sales should always be honored, and if you don't want to deal with someone, ebay has a blocking tool.

I'm pretty sure NA would make an exception in Nick's honor.

[skcin7]

So which is it? You're innocent or you made mistakes as a teenage?

Innocent.

[celerystalker]

I've lurked here for a while. I created the account to make one comment and add a different view to the onslaught. I don't care if he got banned, gets banned, was banned, is banned. Stole some shit, didnt, etc etc.

If by "making a disruptive comment" means giving a personal view of things opposite other people, then oh shit my bad! Also, nowhere did I question his ban or re-entry, or even suggest such a thing. All I asked for was proof he did dumb shit, because again, I never experienced it.

All I said was I personally have not had a problem with the kid and wanted to see what was provided as proof. That was it. I got my answers, yet people took it upon themselves to stir even more shit, claim I said things that I did not, accuse me of being an alt account and question my motives, ones that I keep fucking repeating.. So, that sir.. was a bitch move.

I would have been done talking about it and this thread would be about 100% less shitty if everyone just quit stirring shit, don't you think your beloved community deserves that?

Can we get back to the topic at hand? Dude asked about NintendoAge; personal opinion about NA, a lot of elitists but its a treasure trove of information.

By making a disruptive comment, I mean showing up without introduction and asking for proof after it was already rolling out in the form of previous links and personal experiences as if you have some sort of caché to add weight to his opinion. Clearly you're not new to the internet, and if you want to have an opinion on what this forum should do, be an active member, not a drive by. This forum has its rules and etiquette, and for an outsider to step in and suggest circumventing its rules for a known scammer is more ludicrous than you realize. Skcin revived this thread, you jumped in on it. That's what dragged this off topic, because no one here was talking about it for the last four months.

[Daria]

Innocent.

https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=P8igJDW9hgY&lc=rPwskRBiy08bx18xm9VjcGAo3_ATeMUJTuDXnbXr9lQ

Circumstantial. But funny. Stay away from the shrink-wrap machines man, it's not helping your public image.

edit: Original comment deleted. But saved for posterity.

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/nickMorgan_zpsmxhxdm35.png

[skcin7]

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[Tanooki]

Considering the negative reaction here I think the shrink wrap machine could improve his rep, that is, if he could stick his head into it and shrink wrap it. :)

[lendelin]

I read this thread carefully. Originally I was interested in this site, Nintendo Age, glanced at it a bit and I found among good things there a lot of negative aspects about game collecting. Prices skyrocket, it is often nonsense, and the 'Sealed'-Virus is anyway the most fertile ground for scamming people and in my opinion anyway just plain nonsense. Sellers try in an unreasonable and often shameless way to make profits.

Reading through the posts about the skinc7, aka Nick Morgan-affair, I can only say that my life experience tells me that you are a scammer. Sorry. Your reasoning is inconsistent, very unlikely, full of excuses and prevarications and you try to turn tables. I wouldn' trust you for one second.

[Ryaan1234]

I don't know Nick Morgan from well anyone... but this right here sums up why I'm giving you shit man.
Jesus Christ, Daria. Calm your tits.

Okay, like I said in a previous page, Milenko is OKAY. He's not on this guys "side" and he certainly isn't an alt account of some sort. This is coming from someone who has been a part of this community as long as you have, just about. I may have not been very active this year, but dammit I've been here 11 years! If that doesn't count for anything I don't know what does!

Milenko comes from an IRC channel called #vbender (remember that place?), saw this discussion, and wanted to give his $0.02. He saw the name mentioned and was like "Oh I know that guy, let me share my experiences with him". He's been on the IRC for well over a year and is definitely not someone's alt account. I don't think he's defending anyone or siding with anyone, so no need for the hostility. There has been discussion in this forum about the fact that we don't have as many posters and activity (as compared to the 2006-2008 DP era), and to be honest it makes sense when we see users being hostile and ugly to new members. I'm not going to act like that's the only reason for this sort of "forum death" we are seeing but it seems to be a factor.

I understand that it is mysterious and odd that Milenko randomly showed up to voice his opinion, but I assure you it's not as random and out-of-the-blue as it seems, and I don't think he means harm by his comments/

I needed to say this after seeing how you jumped on him.



skcin7, "Donbills", Vididiots, etc:

I was around when all this stuff happened (note: as were a bunch of other people here, obviously). I witnessed the threads, but I was not personally affected by you. You scammed a lot of people (not to mention your supposed mail fraud and other things). If you are really seriously interested in being "A changed man!", so to speak, then contact all the people you scammed. Find a way to do so. Apologize and refund the money if you did take money from them. Let them know you were a stupid kid and you will never do anything like that again. Be genuine. Stop with the "Oh I'm different and an honest person now! Yay! Believe me!". Nobody believes you. You need to take action to show that you want to be in this community and you deeply regret what you did. Don't be all "I didn't get a chance to defend myself!". That's because you were caught cheating people out of their money... WTF how do you prove yourself innocent in that? That all being said, you claim to be innocent so maybe I don't know WTF I'm talking about. I mean it's not like you don't care about this place and you just posted here to bitch about NintendoAge... wait...

[Daria]

Hello! Digitalpress user and occasional poster since 2004 here!

I believe Milenko is just a lurker that finally decided to get an account and not one of this guy's 23989224 alternate names.

That is all.

To be fair, I interpreted a fair amount of sarcasm in this post. My bad.

And since Ryaan can vouch for you Milenko, it seems I owe you an apology. So sorry about giving you a hard time.

[Guntz]

NintendoAge represents everything wrong with the vintage gaming hobby today. They care more about resale value than actual games now. They love safe repros but despise evil bootlegs, as if they're different things. They have no problem allowing repro information to be discussed, yet hate how frequent bootlegs are. They love sealed games and love VGA grading. They only care about USA region games, nobody cares about games from other regions or games from other consoles, unless they're converted into USA NES cartridges. Everyone there wants to be a big shot collector and their public forum only serves as an example for people interested in old games. The supply can't take the strain, hence why old games are obscenely expensive now.

I remember Nick Morgan from GameFAQs. Man, that was forever ago.

[Tanooki]

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[Pikkon]

Also any hack of a ntsc-u game is a safe repro:?

[Milenko]

Guntz the entire site is a double sided coin of hypocrisy at its finest.

Repros = good (if not a NTSC-U game)
Repros = Bad (if it is a US game)

They call it a 'reproduction'
Everyone else calls it a 'bootleg' since it's not legally reproducing anything.

Making game labels good = if unique
Making game labels bad = if similar enough to dead on to an original without REPRO written over it (Cheap fucker, sell the game to a gamer, pay $200 for one with a nice sticker as it's the only right/allowed thing to do)

Groaning about prices going up happy they got X Y Z (Pretty much anything $50 and up)
Gloating about prices going up happy selling X Y Z

Blind trust in a shady grading company with floating standards = Good
Questioning trusting shady grading tactics with floating stanards = Bad (banned, Hi GameboyScotty who started a thread with innocent questions, got bashed, then banned)

Warezing non-US games and translating them = Awesome! (Any Japanese or non-english PAL title)
Warezing US games and fixing something (or not) = Attack!

Converting an overseas game from PAL to NTSC (Terranigma) = Woo! Sign me up I'll buy that!
Converting a domestic game from NTSC TO PAL (Earthbound) = WTF! Get ther rope and torches! (Yes this happened, many times people asked for it, like this would be any threat all.)

The complete NES set has XXX amount of games.
Tracker(dave) shows US released Sachen games = Ignore it, don't want to have to find more stuff despite him owning it or had owned it.


And then there's...
Selling gray area if not illegal acquired prototypes not authorized for sale by legal IP/copyright holders for profit = Awesome
Selling them with extra crap and a print run of 25 or less = SIGN ME UP I want #....because...

Nail on the fucking head!! Also, don't you DARE make a repro of something that someone on that forum dumped and sold. That's the equivalent of dick slapping someone's mother at her funeral.

[celerystalker]

To be fair, I interpreted a fair amount of sarcasm in this post. My bad.

And since Ryaan can vouch for you Milenko, it seems I owe you an apology. So sorry about giving you a hard time.

Same for me. The scammer stuff got me riled up, but it sounds like I was wrong to get that way about you.

[skcin7]

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[o.pwuaioc]

Why isn't skcin7 banned yet? What are the mods doing?

[Daria]

Why isn't skcin7 banned yet? What are the mods doing?

Playing Mario Maker probably.

[Daria]

NintendoAge logic:



Action
NintendoAge Reaction


Homebrews that steal somebody else's intellectual property
Awesome!


Bootlegs of non-USA games made to look like USA games
Awesome!


Bootlegs in general
Hall of Shame!


Reproductions of copyrighted prototypes
Awesome!


Reproductions of copyrighted games
Awesome! As long as you make it into a Limited or NA Edition. Otherwise, it's a bootleg, Hall of Shame!


Reproduction Maps
Hall of Shame!


Reproduction Labels
Hall of Shame!


Reproduction Labels (NA Edition, with a NA logo)
Awesome!


TheCoverProject.net
Horrible! Buy real boxes!


Reproduction Boxes
Hall of Shame! Buy real boxes!


VGA Grading
"A person can do what he wants with his games!"


Reproduction labels for damaged games
"You're not allowed to do that to your games!"


Posting a link to an active eBay auction
Allowed, buy highly scorned by the 50 people that had their eye on it and thought they might get a good deal


Posting a link to a recently ended eBay auction
Hall of Shame! Somebody might lose the deal and have to pay a few dollars extra for their game


Hoarding games
Awesome!



Basically, anything that money can be made on is awesome, and anything that is felt might devalue their "investments" (which is what they see their games as) is strictly forbidden, regardless of actual legal status.

It's the saddest thing I've ever seen. They completely miss the point of why this hobby is fun.

Don't get me wrong, I think all of this is awesome. It should all be allowed, without having people up your ass about it.

You forgot reproduction celophane.

[Tanooki]

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[Berserker]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/denial.png

Is this gold? I feel like this is gold.

[Niku-Sama]

so....

I thought I knew what was going on here but now I am confused.

can some one summarize for me?

[o.pwuaioc]

so....

I thought I knew what was going on here but now I am confused.

can some one summarize for me?

Really easy:

NintendoAge sucks.
skcin7 is a scammer.
Milenko was confused, but now all is sorted out.

[Gameguy]

Repros = good (if not a NTSC-U game)
Repros = Bad (if it is a US game)

Warezing non-US games and translating them = Awesome! (Any Japanese or non-english PAL title)
Warezing US games and fixing something (or not) = Attack!

Converting an overseas game from PAL to NTSC (Terranigma) = Woo! Sign me up I'll buy that!
Converting a domestic game from NTSC TO PAL (Earthbound) = WTF! Get ther rope and torches! (Yes this happened, many times people asked for it, like this would be any threat all.)
Generally bootlegs are tolerated or welcomed if they're something not officially available, like fan translations or unreleased prototypes. Converting regions is iffy, if it's not something that needs translating there will be people just saying to import an original copy, other people are fine with making fakes if it's something that never officially existed in the region the fake is trying to copy. The more accepted of these are the ones that won't run easily on foreign hardware, like some PAL games that won't run on US systems because of some region locking that's not easily bypassed. Bootlegs of stuff like Famicom, Gameboy, or Genesis/Mega Drive games without regional lockout are more likely to be looked down on as imports are easily playable in North America. Converters for Famicom or Genesis/Mega Drive games are easy to find(or were easy to find), the exception is converters for Genesis/Mega Drive games that do have region lockout, but these are still not impossible to get. Outright pirate copies of officially available games are not welcomed.

Thinking about rights issues like just taking the translations without permission from the creators is somewhat recent, collectors generally didn't even think about this for a long time. That issue with PAL to NTSC being tolerated but NTSC to PAL not tolerated is something I'm not aware of. I'm not sure if Earthbound is an easy game to get running as an import in PAL regions, but if it's just as difficult as playing Terranigma here in NTSC I don't see a difference.


Making game labels good = if unique
Making game labels bad = if similar enough to dead on to an original without REPRO written over it (Cheap fucker, sell the game to a gamer, pay $200 for one with a nice sticker as it's the only right/allowed thing to do)
I was going to mention something but someone else beat me to it.


You forgot reproduction celophane.
Really it's the same issue as replacing a label. If someone damaged or removed the shrink wrap, what's wrong with replacing the wrap? Why don't people like buying games that have been rewrapped? It's not like they'll be opening the boxes to look at the contents anyway. It's usually made to just to rip someone off. Just make a repro of some rare game and slap on a label that looks like a legit one.




Yes he did, and I also forgot perfect copies of the white cardboard box within Earthbound. That got an once good member of that site banned for making and selling those on ebay, right along side of making perfect rear warning label duplicates for NES/SNES carts too and quite cheaply. As I was told, was warned a few times, was demanded he tag them as 'reproduction box/label' on the item, or there would be consequences. He didn't, got banned. ...over cardboard and don't use alcohol stickers.

I could have sworn in the past I've seen people make reproduction baggies and also the plastic sleeves for NES, SNES and Gameboy as dead on the nose correct, never seen a stink raised over that but I never really cared to look either.
I once traded for a complete copy of Super Mario Land 2. The copy I got was a US original box, a Canadian original manual, a Canadian Player's Choice game, and a Gameboy Color cardboard tray. These trays don't fit the carts with the plastic cases, only loose game carts. Really nothing was complete, it's just a bunch of loose orphan parts pieced together, all incorrectly. I'm still trying to find correct parts to complete this without having to spend big bucks individually for each thing I need. This is kind of the same thing with repro boxes or repro inserts, just something else incorrect that will need to be replaced.

I wasn't aware of the repro baggies and plastic sleeves, if I had known I'd have added it to my complaints list. Personally I don't see the point of owning something if it's not real, besides bootlegs to actually play. It's like owning a fake Rolex, why bother unless you're trying to impress someone. Why bother buying fake boxes, manuals, labels, or other inserts? To me it's just stuff people buy to rip people off when selling their games. It's like those repro copies of Stadium Events someone was selling awhile back, it's a fake so it doesn't count towards a complete collection and to just play the game there's World Class Track Meet which is cheaper than a new fake cart, who are the repros intended for? To rip people off.

[Tanooki]

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[Gameguy]

I know what's tolerated, that was the point, it's hypcrisy as they're all equally wrong. Picking which is more wrong over less wrong is just to excuse the behavior.
There is a difference between bootlegged items and pirated items, it's slight but there is a difference.

As for what you said about the tray being near indistinguishable from the original, it just goes like I said that this stuff is made to just rip people off. As for OCD, I don't see the point of spending money on fake items unless it's because of OCD. Let's say your copy is missing the tray, you could easily keep it as is without the tray, but you have the compulsion to have the tray so you need to buy a fake to replace it. Same with a label, it's not like the game won't work with a beat up or missing label. Why spend money on these things if it's not a compulsion?

I would rather own a real Timex than a fake Rolex, I don't see the point to owning fake goods just to show off. I don't need to show anything off because I'm not insecure and don't need to value my own worth based on the value of my possessions(or perceived value if trying to show off to others). If I can't afford the real thing, I'll either wait to come across it by chance at a thrift store or yard sale, or I'll live without it. The people who need fake bags or fake watches are the same people who get fake tans, superficial and insecure.

[Guntz]

There does come a point where fighting for authenticity is utterly moronic. There have been NintendoAge threads where people questioned replacing batteries because of authenticity, preferring extremely specific general purpose PCB parts in game repairs and by far the most debated is picking the correct back labels for games.

[Niku-Sama]

out of curiosity and I am not bringing this up to harp on you but I wonder....

how do they feel about your famicom / super famicom translated carts at NA Guntz?

[Guntz]

Technically they're all bootlegs, but seeing how naysayers of the NA effect get banned, might as well join them. I don't agree with a lot of their practices, but I myself like repro/translated carts (to be completely fair, I am not bothered by counterfeits). My absolute favorite is unreleased prototypes though.

[Niku-Sama]

well I was wondering.
honestly I have been eyeballing a few of your translations but I cant quite do it, atleast not till I get my mess under control
you don't by chance go to any conventions with them do you?

[JSoup]

What gets me is when people get up in my business about something I'm doing for myself and that's it. Take Harvest Moon (SNES) as an example. It's one of my favorite SNES games, but I have it loose. I decided a few years ago that I'd eventually track down a box. Looking into the prices, seeing that the custom printed ones I can buy off DeviantArt or similar are cheaper and of generally higher quality (and, by the way, note "this is a reproduction" somewhere on the box), I've chosen to buy a reproduction box whenever I get around to it. I don't care if it's authentic, as I'm not looking to archive my game or make a complete set for flipping. I'm getting it for me because I'd like it and it'll look nice on my shelve. Could it eventually make it's way on to eBay or something and theoretically be mistaken for something authentic? Sure, but we're talking decades down the line, maybe longer if any kids I may or may not someday have decide to hold on to all my old junk after I'm gone.

But I still get shit talkers from all ends, here, NA and vbender, who all are on about how I'm ruining the hobby or some nonsense.

[Bing147]

I agree with others that anything that could be mistaken for an original by a well informed collector should be clearly labeled reproduction somewhere. Your Harvest Moon box is fine as long as it says that somewhere, even if it's rather small. (readable though) Anything short of that isn't okay to me. Replacing labels? I don't see the point but if you want it fine, but label it what it is. There are a million ways our games could end up back in the general population and so we can't guarantee that we'll be there to inform the next buyer. (or that they'll do so for that matter) It's not needed with something like a US Terranigma or Secret of Mana 2 because those games don't exist and even some very basic research will tell you that. They don't need the same protections. Basically if I can't quickly research it or I'll need a magnifying glass to tell if it's real, it's just out to fool people and it's not okay.

[leatherrebel5150]

Im not a very active member on here, more so on NA, but some of the way people act on their has always drove me nuts. I used to love reading Tanooki's posts on there because I almost always agreed with him. I had a pissing match of sorts on their a couple of months ago in a thread where someone wanted to replace their label with an authentic one and I forget which member but it basically boiled down to me arguing for personal property rights and their socialistic "bad for the collective" nonsense. I could never understand that way of thinking on there. Ive said it on an NA and Ill say it here some of those guys wouldn't last a day in other hobbies where stuff is reproduced. A good example is classic car stuff. I bought new fenders for my firebird, they have no markings of any kind, are identical to original, and are not from the original manufacture so dear god the world must be ending.

http://i.imgur.com/6GEIUBw.jpg

Last I checked when I buy something its my right to do what I please with it. But not to some of the tyrants over there. Im actually surprised I never had any issues over there from the top. Some of you may remember I use to make Repros and sold them on there for years, the majority of which were unreleased in the US but I did also do the Panesian Trio. They were different in that they were in standard grey shells and had reproduction incorporated into the label (which Bouncedelemos on there did incredibly well) but even following those kind of guide lines I was still waiting for the day when someone bitched about it and they would come after me. Luckily it never happened

[o.pwuaioc]

Im not a very active member on here, more so on NA, but some of the way people act on their has always drove me nuts. I used to love reading Tanooki's posts on there because I almost always agreed with him. I had a pissing match of sorts on their a couple of months ago in a thread where someone wanted to replace their label with an authentic one and I forget which member but it basically boiled down to me arguing for personal property rights and their socialistic "bad for the collective" nonsense. I could never understand that way of thinking on there. Ive said it on an NA and Ill say it here some of those guys wouldn't last a day in other hobbies where stuff is reproduced. A good example is classic car stuff. I bought new fenders for my firebird, they have no markings of any kind, are identical to original, and are not from the original manufacture so dear god the world must be ending.

http://i.imgur.com/6GEIUBw.jpg

Last I checked when I buy something its my right to do what I please with it. But not to some of the tyrants over there. Im actually surprised I never had any issues over there from the top. Some of you may remember I use to make Repros and sold them on there for years, the majority of which were unreleased in the US but I did also do the Panesian Trio. They were different in that they were in standard grey shells and had reproduction incorporated into the label (which Bouncedelemos on there did incredibly well) but even following those kind of guide lines I was still waiting for the day when someone bitched about it and they would come after me. Luckily it never happened
As stupid as their policies might be, they are not taking away your right to do anything. You have a right to do what you want with your property, just like they have a right to kick you off their forum (or whatever it is they do to people they disagree with).

Freedom works both ways.

[goldenband]

Why bother buying fake boxes, manuals, labels, or other inserts?

From a gamer's perspective, I really want to have a manual for the games I play. Sure, I can have a PDF on my laptop, but it's not a great way to read or to rapidly flip through looking for something.

Maps are even worse. It's pretty much impossible to get a view of the big picture and the fine details from a scanned map on anything but the largest screen, whereas you can see anything you want instantly with an unfolded paper map.

As for boxes and labels, well, people put reproductions of famous paintings on their walls. Games are aesthetic objects too, and I like the feeling of opening up an RPG and having the thick manual, the detailed cover art, and the map right at hand.

If someone can make me an exact repro of those things, and it costs a fraction of the real deal, then of course I'll be interested -- and I don't mind at all if it says "REPRODUCTION COPY" in small print somewhere.

BTW I wish there were more translated manuals around at reasonable prices. It's awesome that people translate games, but a manual often frames the action and points out small details in the gameplay that aren't otherwise obvious. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone angrily bitch about something in a game that could've been solved in ten seconds by reading the manual. How many Japanese games seem "inscrutable" and "so Japanese" to angry gamers and frustrated weeaboos, but would be totally straightforward if you could just RTFM?

[Daria]

How many Japanese games seem "inscrutable" and "so Japanese" to angry gamers and frustrated weeaboos, but would be totally straightforward if you could just RTFM?

Reproduction makers don't pass these along but translation patches come bundled with ReadMe files that often do just this. If it's not a direct translation of the manual, there's usually at least an explanation of the controls. You can view all these files independent of downloading the patch at Romhacking.net

[goldenband]

Reproduction makers don't pass these along but translation patches come bundled with ReadMe files that often do just this. If it's not a direct translation of the manual, there's usually at least an explanation of the controls. You can view all these files independent of downloading the patch at Romhacking.net

I've contributed a few translation patches to ROMHacking.net, with a new one coming soon (an NES game, no less). :) Some amazing work comes out of that site.

But those README files don't really replace the manual. They help, of course, but even the longest and most detailed ones omit things sometimes (especially plot and context), or give things away the original manual wouldn't have done. Some of them are near-walkthroughs!

EDIT: BTW when I was writing that earlier post, I was thinking of Bokosuka Wars. 100% playable in English, but it seems like some bizarro-world attempt at a game if you don't know what's going on. (It may still seem that way once you do know what's going on, but...)

[Tanooki]

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[Daria]

I've contributed a few translation patches to ROMHacking.net, with a new one coming soon (an NES game, no less). :) Some amazing work comes out of that site.

But those README files don't really replace the manual. They help, of course, but even the longest and most detailed ones omit things sometimes (especially plot and context), or give things away the original manual wouldn't have done. Some of them are near-walkthroughs!

EDIT: BTW when I was writing that earlier post, I was thinking of Bokosuka Wars. 100% playable in English, but it seems like some bizarro-world attempt at a game if you don't know what's going on. (It may still seem that way once you do know what's going on, but...)

I've even seen some bundled with scans of the label and box. Some are just crazy. :P

[Gentlegamer]

I'm against reproductions in so far as they are vehicles for counterfeiting scammers to swindle people.

But on the other hand, the yuppy instant collectors who drop the money that attract the resellers and scammers deserve it for being collectards.

I'm now of the opinion that the scammers should rev up the bootleg machine non stop and ruin the collectability of everything and drive the collectards and resellers out of the hobby. Take it all back to zero.

[o.pwuaioc]

^I can't say I disagree. But then you get people wanting to pay big bucks for bootlegs - you know what thread I'm talking about.

[JSoup]

I'm now of the opinion that the scammers should rev up the bootleg machine non stop and ruin the collectability of everything and drive the collectards and resellers out of the hobby. Take it all back to zero.

It's difficult to predict if it will actually do that, though. I would think it would lower some prices and force the hobby to open up to more people, but there will still be somethings that will always be expensive and some people who will pay extra for a "confirmed authentic copy". It's a similar to the arguments you see when a rare and/or expensive game is released on a virtual gaming platform. "This will lower the prices, fuck those guys!" But it hardly ever does.

[Pikkon]

I'm now of the opinion that the scammers should rev up the bootleg machine non stop and ruin the collectability of everything and drive the collectards and resellers out of the hobby. Take it all back to zero.


Well that wouldn't to difficult to pull off,just buy a shit ton of any rare bootleg snes game from aliexpress and then flood it on ebay.

[Guntz]

well I was wondering.
honestly I have been eyeballing a few of your translations but I cant quite do it, atleast not till I get my mess under control
you don't by chance go to any conventions with them do you?

I've never been to a convention. Shipping to the US isn't really that expensive.

[Gentlegamer]

I've never been to a convention. Shipping to the US isn't really that expensive.

It cost me 17 USD for shipping a CD from British Columbia to Texas. Maybe that seems cheap to Canadians, but not to us.

[Guntz]

If tracking is involved, then yeah it's expensive for small items. A CD could go for $8 untracked very easily.

[Gentlegamer]

It was a copy of PCE Winds of Thunder, so there was no way I wasn't going to have tracking and insurance.

[Guntz]

If the item is expensive, what's wrong with a bit more shipping for more security?

You Americans and your underpriced shipping...

[Gameguy]

There does come a point where fighting for authenticity is utterly moronic. There have been NintendoAge threads where people questioned replacing batteries because of authenticity, preferring extremely specific general purpose PCB parts in game repairs and by far the most debated is picking the correct back labels for games.
Well with batteries or things like capacitors they have a shelf life and will eventually fail at some point, it's the same like replacing belts in tape decks or turntables(it's generally accepted). I will say that some things like replacement parts like capacitors are something I might think about, if someone just uses the cheapest ones they can find there's a good chance they'll just fail and leak within a few years damaging or destroying a game or console. Replacement parts should be of a certain quality including the batteries. With stereo equipment the quality of the capacitors used can affect the sound quality so it does matter to audiophiles in that hobby. I avoid NES systems with replaced connectors because most are poor quality crap that will just fail soon after use. As for back labels, to me it should match the original if possible, there were a few different versions with different writing made over the years. I don't replace labels though, I'd only replace the back if the plastic was cracked or broken.

For other hobbies like vintage bicycles, it's generally preferred that something is all original rather than restored, right down to original tires and tubes. A common saying is that a bike can be restored 100 times but it's only original once. Modifications or after market parts aren't usually welcomed, except for placeholders while tracking down correct parts. It's a different attitude than most classic car collectors have. Each hobby has it's own attitudes unique to that hobby.


What gets me is when people get up in my business about something I'm doing for myself and that's it. Take Harvest Moon (SNES) as an example. It's one of my favorite SNES games, but I have it loose. I decided a few years ago that I'd eventually track down a box. Looking into the prices, seeing that the custom printed ones I can buy off DeviantArt or similar are cheaper and of generally higher quality (and, by the way, note "this is a reproduction" somewhere on the box), I've chosen to buy a reproduction box whenever I get around to it. I don't care if it's authentic, as I'm not looking to archive my game or make a complete set for flipping. I'm getting it for me because I'd like it and it'll look nice on my shelve. Could it eventually make it's way on to eBay or something and theoretically be mistaken for something authentic? Sure, but we're talking decades down the line, maybe longer if any kids I may or may not someday have decide to hold on to all my old junk after I'm gone.
Is it really decades down the line? How many times have various collectors said as soon as some expensive bill came in they started selling off chunks of their collection to help pay it off. It seems to happen pretty often.

You can do anything you want with your own possessions. If you have a brand new in the box NES Deluxe Set you could smash it all with a baseball bat and set it on fire for a youtube video if you wanted to. You'd probably still have some collectors upset with that even though it's still your property. It's all just sharing opinions.

If it's marked somewhere on the box that it's a reproduction I'm personally fine with that. I just remember seeing some ebay listing for a "complete" Super Mario All-Stars/Super Mario World for SNES with a box, nothing was mentioned about the box being a repro and it sold for over $200+. The site selling the boxes just priced them at $15 each. It's this type of stuff I don't like seeing. I'm sure the person who bought it didn't know it was a repro, and more misinformation about there actually being a separate boxed release will be floating around various sites. At least this is something that doesn't officially exist, imagine a repro box of Mega Man X3 being included like this. Anyone with a loose cart can buy a fake box and include it in an auction, good luck finding games cheaper than real complete copies. Even the fakes will all sell for as much as real ones.


If someone can make me an exact repro of those things, and it costs a fraction of the real deal, then of course I'll be interested -- and I don't mind at all if it says "REPRODUCTION COPY" in small print somewhere.
As I already mentioned if it's marked as a reproduction I wouldn't mind as much, it's that plenty of people insist on making near perfect copies of things without marking them as copies. You could print off the PDFs if you need a tangible copy of the manual or map, for practical use. As for paintings, there's only one original so people are forced to buy copies. And these copies are clearly copies, cheap prints of the original. Copies of paintings are more like with books, the first editions are usually clearly marked as such and reprints are plentiful yet worthless while only the first edition is worth anything substantial.


Well you know there is a point you're missing or just don't care about, saving a lot of money. If you can get a purely 1:1 copy of an original piece of non-descript cardboard tray for like $20 vs $100, there's no harm. A Timex watch is far different than throw away blank cardboard so that's kind of a reach and cardboard isn't warranted or serviced like a watch either. From a gamer, non-deep pocketed collector's end of things, maybe you want a printed manual or box instead of a picture of it and the prices due to scalpers and collectors are insane...make a copy. At least you can have something to look at and easy to peel through while sitting there with the game in front of you you know?
There's another way to save some money, don't spend any at all on any repro items. I may want something, but if it's something that was mass produced for general consumers, I want a real one. Again, owning a fake wouldn't satisfy me so I'd rather go without. At least, I wouldn't spend money on fake items. I'd only have them if they were free. I come across plenty of fake bootleg DVDs at flea markets and thrift stores, even if they're films I'm looking for I don't bother paying money for them. Not unless it's something not officially available, even then I wouldn't spend much if anything.

With forums the main point is for a discussion and sharing of opinions, without that forums get pretty boring. I've also commented above to JSoup with that NES Deluxe Set example. It's your property so you can do what you want with it. People will still have opinions on it. We're all just sharing our opinions on it.

[JSoup]

Is it really decades down the line?

For me, yes. If I prove myself wrong, you're free to "I told you so" until the cows come home.

[leatherrebel5150]

With forums the main point is for a discussion and sharing of opinions, without that forums get pretty boring. I've also commented above to JSoup with that NES Deluxe Set example. It's your property so you can do what you want with it. People will still have opinions on it. We're all just sharing our opinions on it.

There is a difference between sharing opinions and openly attacking someone. Many a time Ive seen a newish member on NA ask about replacing their label and not 2 or 3 posts are made before they are called a scammer. That is a serious charge that can ruin someone's ability to buy and sell on line and it is just thrown about on there the second an inquiry is made.

[Tanooki]

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[555]

Haha, I was banned from Nintendoage years ago, and thought I was the only one who hated it. Just a bunch of hive-minded yes men, who are afraid to speak up to their god-like moderators.

I will say though, I do agree with them about changing parts of a game and not listing it in the sale. If it's your own game and you're doing it for yourself, then by all means. However, if I'm paying $20 + for a game I would like to know if the label, or back isn't original. I don't collect for value or anything, but I'd like to know. Too bad they're super anal about it though.

[Tanooki]

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[555]

I think you're misinterpreting. They don't want you doing anything to your game, not just wanting a list of it. The only list they'd want would be if you replaced a battery. They're against someone having a new game with a copycat restoration label or a knock off plastic dust cover and the like. I think no one would want to be in the dark about what they're buying if something has been restored or replaced, it should be listed for anything and not just games, unless you are a crook as then your scam is up.

I think being uptight about the back of the cart if it isn't unique to the game is overboard though. I've swapped out a few over the years and I've never made note of it as there's no point. Until someone can come up with an old Nintendo factory doc saying that ## is from this area of Tokyo or ## was run in China or Mexico I really don't want to hear it as I don't care and it's not factual and just speculation. It's just another tool for scalpers to raise prices whining about originality. You know?

Disagreed, but to each their own.