New Zelda bonus disc coming for GameCube!!!

[NvrMore]

I didn't cry foul, and I'm not trying to be dramatic. As I stated earlier in kinder terms, I seriously considered bailing on these forums because I don't feel the need to prove myself to anonymous Internet dickheads, especially not on what I thought was a dickhead-free forum. You and several others have proven otherwise.

Ooh, very civilised.

Unfortunately, you've just proved my point, you're every bit as responsible as anyone else for the state of this thread and you behaviour is certainly no better than those whom you claim "almost led you to leave the forum".

Honestly, when you said you considered leaving because of what had been posted in the thread, I thought it was a tad overly dramatic considering with the exception of a few posts it had just been a standard back and forth discussion, but nonetheless for whatever reason it was getting too serious for you (f*ck knows why).
Yet depite claiming to be seeking discussion on the boards all you've done is attack others and scream "mean fanboys!".

Editing/deleting past posts, changing usernames, veiled idle threats of leaving.. you create more drama than a drag convention.

It's like trying to have a rational discussion with a one man soap oprah.

This used to be an interesting, drama-free discussion, what a shame..

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[NvrMore]

I've proved the point that the personal attacks of you and several other frothing fanboys can drive a man to state in blunt terms why he considered departing what he thought was an interesting and informative forum.

Ahhh, the fanboy label, what a refreshing surprise. Strange, where exactly did I make a personal attack before you made your overly dramatic/hysterical return.. feel free to check my old posts, they're still there and haven't been removed in a hysterical, overly dramatical fit.


hydr0x's posts have long been insulting in tone, as have yours, but it was PredatorXS's out-of-nowhere post that really blew me away.

Insulting "tone"?, really, I'm glad you picked up on an insulting tone in my posts because I never actually put one in there, in fact up until your return I made a point to simply address points and make sure there weren't any misunderstandings, even going to far as to specifically state that no offence was intended where I though it may mistakenly taken.

Or was it just the fact that I disagreed with you..after all that seems to be all that's required for you to label someone a fanboy.


Not mean. Just stupid and tiresome.

Really, so why the drama?


Er... I wouldn't know anything about drag conventions, but at least you're not ashamed to admit that you do.

Awww, you're trying to be cute.

Hmm.. a rebuttal that indicates you're either ignorant or homophobic.. nice.


I changed my username, as stated earlier, to bring it in line with my AIM name. And I deleted my earlier posts when I decided to leave the forum. Jesus H. Christ, how I wish I'd stuck by that decision.


"I'm leaving.. and I'm taking my posts with me" *stamps off*

Boo.. hoo.. keep reaching for that sympathy.

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[NvrMore]

I'm not homophobic in the least. I've also never been to a drag convention, as you apparently have.

Don't need to go to something to know about it, you just have to open your eyes and pay attention to information that's available. I've never been to a Star-trek convention either but I know about them as well... they dress up you know x_x


Since your last post had absolutely nothing of substance, just more personal attacks and several feeble attempts at humor?

I could have said the same about yours however..


can we finally declare a blessed end to this thread? Or shall we continue?

It's pretty much dead and twitching so I can't see any (lets face it) decent reason to keep it going, might as well let it drop and be done with it.

[Predatorxs]

ZM, i never back track on anything i say, the posts i made where in Jest, also DP was a dickhead free forum until you appeared with your countless user names?!

This is the only thread i have posted in that i have had to say something about an other user.

If your so good why not get a real job and leave the normal people to post as they normally do with out a KNOW-IT-ALL yapping on.

Do you just post (mulitple times) to make up the numbers under your user, do you really need the fruit that bad @_@

If i hear you quote any more PR numbers, and how many units so-and-so has sold or released!? i'm going to seriously think about leaving these forums -_-

I did have alitte laugh at your " i'm seriously thinking of leaving these forums"... Mom they won't play nice so i'm not playing out awwwww....

All you do is shoot down all the comments anyone has made regarding the GC and the bad comments toward the PS2.

Your comments don't mean anything to me, i couldn't careless if you have 20 usner names, use words like dickhead etc etc, you sound like a real quality journo! be it on the net or in real life! (if you have one).

Lastly LOL regarding the back tracking i'm not the one going back and deleting posts in this very thread to hide your silly little comments... tut tut!

Also the Nintendo GC numbers (which i take no notice off, by the way) where a type it should have been 800,000 not 80.

i'll only post to the other comments normal people post here, hydr0x and NvrMore sound like they are normal ;)

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[Bratwurst]

Ugh. If the likes of NvrMore and Predatorxs are going to be our substitute for Mr. Meston then the boards are seriously going to suffer. Wait, they already are!

I remember reading books by Zach when I was a kid (not that I paid much attention to authors specifically back then) and the point is that the man has been involved in this industry in more ways for a longer period of time than any of the individuals attacking him right now, if evident only by their absurd behavior and the gratuitous use of smileys.

Zach, I, and I'm sure other veterans on this board, don't want you to leave and wish you luck in ignoring these guys in the future. Personally you don't have to prove anything to me by engaging in rebuttals of this level.

[Predatorxs]

You read far to much into what we say, multiple posts comment was directed at the posts that you have posted after each other instead of keeping it to the one post.

Points to take in, i'm not a drunk? well not during the week! i save it for friday and saturday nights. 8-)

the comment i made about running home to mommy was a line, but again you take it to heart, and i'm glad you have a partner, hobbies and pets like the rest of us, good for you. ;)

and take this with a huge pinch of salt but, can i have a few of your editor(s) numbers so i can get hold of some of your work, we have heard alot about it, so it's gott's too be Goood! :roll:

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[Kid Fenris]

Zach, I, and I'm sure other veterans on this board, don't want you to leave and wish you luck in ignoring these guys in the future. Personally you don't have to prove anything to me by engaging in rebuttals of this level.

Indeed. I value Zach's contributions to the forum, and I would certainly be glad if he stuck around. It'd be a shame if he allowed a single thread and a few incoherent insults to sour him on an entire message board.

By the way, Lendelin brought up a good point a few posts back, stating that Nintendo Power's focus on a younger audience is responsible for a good deal of Nintendo's "kiddy" image. I must admit that NP doesn't seem suited to my age level, and I know of few people over 15 who avidly read it. Would the magazine be better off if it were skewed to the same demographic as Game Informer or PSM?

[ManekiNeko]

ManekiNeko Has hit the nail on the head.. lol Smart kid!!


That wasn't a compliment. It's poor sportsmanship to lay into someone who is either unable or unwilling to fight back.
However, since Zach made it very clear to me that he's not interested in my opinion about this scuffle, I'll just let you two settle this on your own.

JR

[Anonymous]

PredatorXS, unlike you, Several of us have met Zach in Person, have seen his work, even seen his image in the video games he worked on. I for one need no clarification or proof of Zach's credentials; but if it will satisfy you, he has worked for Working Designs (This is verifiable in his appearance on the PSX making of disc included with Lunar: SSSC), and his name appears regularly on Gamespy.

Zach makes good points, uses facts and educated guesses, and he is at least willing to listen to opposing viewpoints, unlike you.

[lendelin]

ZM, i never back track on anything i say, the posts i made where in Jest, also DP was a dickhead free forum until you appeared with your countless user names?!

If your so good why not get a real job and leave the normal people to post as they normally do with out a KNOW-IT-ALL yapping on.

Do you just post (mulitple times) to make up the numbers under your user, do you really need the fruit that bad @_@

If i hear you quote any more PR numbers, and how many units so-and-so has sold or released!? i'm going to seriously think about leaving these forums -_-

I did have alitte laugh at your " i'm seriously thinking of leaving these forums"... Mom they won't play nice so i'm not playing out awwwww....

All you do is shoot down all the comments anyone has made regarding the GC and the bad comments toward the PS2.

Your comments don't mean anything to me, i couldn't careless if you have 20 usner names, use words like dickhead etc etc, you sound like a real quality journo! be it on the net or in real life! (if you have one).

Lastly LOL regarding the back tracking i'm not the one going back and deleting posts in this very thread to hide your silly little comments... tut tut!

Also the Nintendo GC numbers (which i take no notice off, by the way) where a type it should have been 800,000 not 80.

i'll only post to the other comments normal people post here, hydr0x and NvrMore sound like they are normal ;)

Predatorxs, I realize that this "discussion" got out of hand a long time ago; but I have to say this...you introduce a tone which is terrible. No matter if you like someones style or not, don't try to undermine someones credibility, personally attack, or do character diffamation. It's either childish or the political equivalent of a smear campaign. :)

Others like hydrox or ZM engage sometimes in harsh battles over a topic which is sometimes just on the edge, but it's still about the topic. Your comments, I'm sorry to say that, focus on undermining someones credibility and are plain personal attacks. If you don't like someones style, STILL talk about the topic and ignore the style!

ZM and I (or is it "me"??) had a quibble and quabble about the poll results in another thread, but it was always civilized and always about the topic. I didn't like his position, he didn't like mine, but we REASONED about it. It would have never crossed my mind to attack him personally, and neither should you. I didn't call him a speculating journalistboy, and he didn't call me a fascist Fritz with Lederhosen. :) ...and youir job remarks are way out of hand. Irony, sarcasm, and to take a strong stand on the base of substantial reasoning is ok, dumb lilttle personal attacks are not and are counterproductive in every way.

I think I can expect now the "voice of the reason" award which I'll reject generously. :)

[hydr0x]

I think I can expect now the "voice of the reason" award which I'll reject generously. :)

damn, just wanted to give you that one ;) how about the "german voice of the reason" award? LOL

ok, back to topic. eh ok there is no real topic anymore, as noone is giving replies to facts anymore. and as i'm tired of this whole topic, i just have one thing left to ask and i hope you won't use personal attacks again zach as you do the whole time, why do u think i'm a fanboy? you weren't able to make this clear to me yet, you know, i was in no way more biased for any system/developer than you, but still you claim i'm a fanboy and you aren't. Give me some reasons why this is so please!

oh and although you still won't believe it, i NEVER crossed the line from attacking your facts/work to attacking YOU, several other persons here agreed with that, but you, you are attacking me the whole time which really doesn't make you look good at all

[ubersaurus]

You read far to much into what we say, multiple posts comment was directed at the posts that you have posted after each other instead of keeping it to the one post.

Points to take in, i'm not a drunk? well not during the week! i save it for friday and saturday nights. 8-)

the comment i made about running home to mommy was a line, but again you take it to heart, and i'm glad you have a partner, hobbies and pets like the rest of us, good for you. ;)

and take this with a huge pinch of salt but, can i have a few of your editor(s) numbers so i can get hold of some of your work, we have heard alot about it, so it's gott's too be Goood! :roll:

Well, just by checking the shelf at work here, I can see that he worked on the "Nintendo Game Secrets" series of books. Good books too. I used to check em out as a kid to help me with Star Wars. Damn death star was a maze. Which reminds me.

Thanks for making sense of R2D2's crappy map, Zach ;)

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[Predatorxs]

Truce, Truce, Truce i have no problem with that ZM. . .

I'm alittle surprised how much everyone has taken a few if not alot of my comments. As if i'm doing it with a gun to ZM's head, i mentioned the word jest awhile ago.. this is lost on some of the users here?

Also when i mentioned the whole hitting the nail on the Head it wasn't in a bad way, ZM was going for the bait (and i in a comical sence) continued it..

I don't mind anybody posting there thoughs and opinions, that is what a forum is all about, but some times ZM came across as if he had to slap down every post that didn't tally with his own posts?

In places where members can agree to disagree in a fair and friendly way posts like this get my goat alittle...

As mentioned a truce should wrap up this silly thread! we can agree to leave things as they are.

I loved the way a few people dived in at the end to make the save for ZM. :P

I shouldn't have said the last bit i know those very people have a pop back at me lol..... Dooh me and my english whicked scence of humour.

I feel like an English villan in an american movie, i say there old chap steady on ol' boy. LOL

[hydr0x]

but some times ZM came across as if he had to slap down every post that didn't tally with his own posts?


well, that's how discussion works in his mind ;)

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[lendelin]

X.

[ChuckthePlant]

This thread certainly lost focus awhile back. It would be a shame if this were the reason for ZM leaving. A good discussion of this could be had on this subject, unfortunately this was not it.

[lendelin]

I think I can expect now the "voice of the reason" award which I'll reject generously. :)

damn, just wanted to give you that one ;) how about the "german voice of the reason" award? LOL



Ok, does it come with a new VW or Mercedes? and...will you pay for the plane ticket to the award ceremony?...and don't try to bait me with a cheap Rundfahrt an der Mosel, Moselboy. :) that's not enough, ok?

[ChuckthePlant]

I think I can expect now the "voice of the reason" award which I'll reject generously. :)

damn, just wanted to give you that one ;) how about the "german voice of the reason" award? LOL



Ok, does it come with a new VW or Mercedes? and...will you pay for the plane ticket to the award ceremony?...and don't try to bait me with a cheap Rundfahrt an der Mosel, Moselboy. :) that's not enough, ok?

I think it actually comes with a trabant.

[Predatorxs]

I said i have no problem with a truce but your still so high and mighty that i don't care for the silly back and fourth posts, this thread has spawned eight pages in total (well so far)

And at least half the posting was from you, there isn't a case for taking sides, it's just other users are sick of your journo horse shit.

Others made the save but you didn't win shit!! bitch! even the good lord above couldn't save your phony Ass!! people like myself and hydr0x come out on top, since where people that play and buy games.

Where as your monkey ass whines and bitches about every little thing they can moan on and on about, in any game OR system, can't you just enjoy the past time / hobbie people have called videogaming??

ManekiNeko i wasn't attacking a person that wouldn't fight back, his holyer than thou!! ego and attitude is the problem..

I can reason with anyone, i have the patience of a saint but how do you reason with a dickhead, that talks about vapour ware all day long.

I will not post on this thread again, and i won't even look at the thread again after this.

My part of this so-called truce is i will not post replies to you on any subject, and if you do the same no matter the subject then i think things will be cool.

I don't hate anyone! i hope ZM carrys on posting and enjoys himself!!

P.S - it makes no difference to me where your from, or your nationality, be it american, canadian etc..

This thread needs to die and die now.. It's almost embarrassing how off topic this thread has become! ahhh well..

[lendelin]

ZM and I (or is it "me"??) had a quibble and quabble about the poll results in another thread, but it was always civilized and always about the topic. I didn't like his position, he didn't like mine, but we REASONED about it.

For what it's worth, since the results of that poll, I've quizzed the employees of several local game stores, who've stated that PS2s come back all the time. (One store got eight defective PS2s in a week.)

I also called Sony to report a nonexistent "disc read error" in a PlayStation 2 I bought 18 months ago, and was very surprised when the CS rep waived the repair fee (after asking me the usual round of disclaimers -- "Have you ever spilled liquids into your PS2? Have you ever modified your PS2? Have you ever engaged in the love that dare not speak its name with the PS2"?). Sony is obviously concerned with legal action if it's giving away repair work.

In other words, yes, I've embraced the truth that PS2s -- certainly the tens of millions of earlier models, at least -- are remarkably prone to failure.

-- Z.

That's very interesting, and also confirms my impressions when I asked three syore employees. There is no doubt in my mind that the early PS2s had more problems than the early PS1s with their overheating problems.

[lendelin]

I think it actually comes with a trabant.

A TRABANT? Damn you, ok, that's it for me, no Trabbie for me on a German Autobahn!!

[lendelin]

By the way, Lendelin brought up a good point a few posts back, stating that Nintendo Power's focus on a younger audience is responsible for a good deal of Nintendo's "kiddy" image. I must admit that NP doesn't seem suited to my age level, and I know of few people over 15 who avidly read it. Would the magazine be better off if it were skewed to the same demographic as Game Informer or PSM?

I think the image problem is really at the heart of Ns problem competing with the two financial giants, at least it's THE problem if N wants to compete with MS an Sony which is anyway difficult. NPower is an indicator. Look how they present their games in the mag. Little screenshots, you almost need a magnifying glass. I'd put ONE big screenshot on there instead of four little ones.

Also, they should do extended articles and interviews with game developers, discuss game concepts of upcoming games, discuss new technological developments, and not relegate those things in small font on a quarter of a page. NP is an incredible marketing tool, and they stagnated. The big advantage of NP from 88 to the mid 90s was it's incredible map coverage of the best games, which no other game mag delivered; but that's over, games became tooo big and lenghty tp do that anymore.

I'd change drastically the layout of the mag, and if a guy in a board meeting would tell me "..but 70% (??) of our subscribers are 14 and younger", then I'd say loose part of the young crowd, gain more of the older teenie crowd and adults. NP seems outdated, and of the four game mags I'm subscibed to I'm finished pretty quickly reading NP, and I read much more closely GI.

ZM wrote that smaller developers leave the GC ship, and that's exactly the starting point of a viscious cycle for systems which aren't established as their competitors. If you are a smaller developer with one or two projects, as a general rule you go for the most established system. If they calculate that the same game would approximately sell at the same rate for all systems all other things being equal, and you know that there are four times as many PS2s out there than GCs, you go for the system which gives you four times as many sales, and therefore four times the profit; that's essential in particular if you have only one or two projects; and smaller developers have sometimes surprise hits, and they contribute to an overall balanced and varied game library.

The most established system has always a very comfortable position. They don't have to go to this extent after exclusive deals because most developers produce for their system anyway. They have the best, balanced, and varied game library anyway, and the PS2 certainly has. The best game library means more hardware sales, more hardware sales mean more attarction for developers and publishers.

As great as Super mario Sunshine and Zelda WW are as individual games, they don't balance out the game library of N, on the contrary, they reenforce the image problem. When sega decided not to publish anymore their sports games for the GC, but still does the Sonic games, that reenforces the image problem. If a smaller developer decides to put cartoonish platformers on the GC because of the socio-demographics of GC owners, that reenforces the image problem. If medium powerhouses leave the ship, that wouldn't affect the PS2 as much as it affects the GC becasue N needs desperately third party support.

The prospects for N aren't good. MS with its negative Bill gates image and negative image as the big bad company overcame already their image. They gained ground imagewise with frequent gamers and casual gamers with games like Star wars KOTOR, the new Fable will come out, Jade Empire is in the works, and Rare will publish games which ios exactly the deficit of the MS library. Even a nostalgic gamer like YOSHIM loves his XBox in the meantime. :) The next gen Xbox will have a btter starting position than the current one, while N in market shares stagnates at best and stagnates imagewise and when it comes to game content. Let Sony or MS or someone else crack Ns monopoly in the handheld market in the next five years, and then the prospects for N look dim.

Maybe it's a natural restructering of the market, maybe the game insustry became so lucrative that inetrnational corporate powerhouses come in and push out the traditional toy manufacturers.

N has to change it's image, engage im aggressive market strategies, and has to launch its system at the same time as the others in order to get out as many systems as possible, which is the key for its survival. That's easy said, very difficult to do.

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[SoulBlazer]

Enough allready, people. Zach allready said several times he wants to end this and I don't want to see him driven from this forum by some in mature posters. The mods will lock this thread if another insult is made. Drop it allready! :angry:

[Zubiac666]

again

LOL
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sorry,but this one made me laugh/explode
good one...

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[hydr0x]

lol man, you really are taking things to serious, this was a joke, and everyone else understood it, i just wanted to end this thing with a joke..... :angry:

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[jdc]

A new bonus disc of Zelda gaming for the Cube? I hope that it's true and that it isn't just a pack in.

BTW......8 pages ending with arguing off topic? Now I remember why I left the gaming industry.

For the record.....you can spout all of the statistics you want to, I don't give a shit....but money in a cash register talks. The average customer, when shown the Cube, declined it due to the fact that it "didn't play movies". Yeah, it's a dumb reason not to buy a great system, but it hurt Nintendo in North America. I've been there....and I'm glad I'm out. Funny how when I bailed, the only system that I kept WAS my Cube. That's after clocking over 70 hours a week for the past several years with a controller in my hand and playing pretty much every major release for N64, Dreamcast, XboX, PS2 and Cube. *shudder*

What else is interesting is that last Christmas the consumer would ask for the PS2....and in the same breath ask for a copy of GTA Vice City. It was almost a 1:1 ratio. Pretty damned scary. I'd say that that particular piece of software most certainly bouyed Sony's Christmas PS2 sales.

As for Nintendo? It's a wise old wolf that's been around the business block a few times. 130+ years for a company to be in business ain't half bad. I wouldn't worry about the future of that company.

[GrandAmChandler]

Enough allready, people. Zach allready said several times he wants to end this and I don't want to see him driven from this forum by some in mature posters. The mods will lock this thread if another insult is made. Drop it allready! :angry:

I agree, Can we just end this? This is ridiculous.. :o

[hydr0x]

lol man, you really are taking things to serious, this was a joke, and everyone else understood it, i just wanted to end this thing with a joke..... :angry:

What you don't seem to realize is that you ARE the joke.

-- Z.

oh my god, you are behaving like a little kid....

[ManekiNeko]

I said i have no problem with a truce but your still so high and mighty that i don't care for the silly back and fourth posts, this thread has spawned eight pages in total (well so far)

And at least half the posting was from you, there isn't a case for taking sides, it's just other users are sick of your journo horse shit.

Others made the save but you didn't win shit!! bitch! even the good lord above couldn't save your phony Ass!! people like myself and hydr0x come out on top, since where people that play and buy games

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I take back my previous cartoon analogy. It would be a lot more accurate to compare PredatorXS to the brainless alien in Freakazoid who keeps saying, "D-uuuh... I am MORON!" over and over and over again. Like said alien, PredatorXS is numbingly repetitive, an insult to everyone's intelligence, and a complete waste of time.
Can we, like, you know, ban this guy already? He's taken this thread way off the original topic, deciding instead to bash Zach Meston unrelentingly despite everyone's calls for him to cool it. Granted, I haven't always agreed with Mr. Meston either, but I made some attempt to disagree with him politely, something PredatorXS is clearly incapable of doing.

JR

P.S. By the way, I can't believe Meston is getting attacked for being a professional video game journalist! That's a plateau I've long desired to reach for many years.

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Oh man, that's just mean. Haha.

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[farfel]

I got my Zelda Bonus Disc and love it.

[DigitalSpace]

The Zelda Collector's disc owns. Sure, it may not have A Link To The Past on it, but I can play it anytime I want on my SNES so it isn't an issue for me.