Nintendo NUMBER 2 YEHAW

[zmweasel]

You don't like large bodies of text so I'll keep it short.. your "arguments" are as crooked as a $6 bill.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but c'est la vie. No doubt we'll be clashing in many threads to come.

-- Z.

[NvrMore]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but c'est la vie. No doubt we'll be clashing in many threads to come.

Probably, but there would likely be a lot less clash if you just refrained from falling onto the name-calling and dismissive generalisations from the start.

In the case of critisism of a product/person/company etc. I have little inclination to repeatedly go over old ground, it's just unabated bashing and dismissive generalisations that get my attention, for good or bad.

[digitalpress]

Let me flip that one around. Instead of looking at the effect why not look at the cause for a moment. I see you questioning the "need to defend" a lot, notably in a past few threads, but I never really see you questioning the need to attack?.

The only "attacks" I've seen are the ones that result from overly defensive people. Someone brings up a stat, and right or wrong, and it's perceived as an attack, followed quickly by a handful of people that dive in to dissect it.

Hence my question.

Why?

[zmweasel]

Probably, but there would likely be a lot less clash if you just refrained from falling onto the name-calling and dismissive generalisations from the start.

Again, I just call fanboys as I see 'em. For example, Zubiac666, whose signature makes the absurd claim that "before anyone did anything, Nintendo did everything!" I feel no compunctions about invoking the fanboy label in such a case, because it saves me (and others) from having to waste precious time and energy debating a hardware zealot whose views will never be swayed.

I'm certainly not blind to the current woes of Sony or Microsoft, or the PC-gaming market. I just tire of the endless Nintendo cheerleading, and like to provide some perspective, such as with my fact-filled post near the beginning of this thread.

-- Z.

[NvrMore]

Ok, as I said before, taking for example, this thread.

Thread begins with someone posting about a announced (percieved) gain in market share for one of the 3 - yet the thread devolves into a mix of attack and defence of that company after it is taken as an exuse to pull apart said company.

Now, jumping into such a topic and taking shots at both the original poster and the company in question isn't exactly defence.

Rather, how can there be defence when there was no initial attack?.. just someone saying they were happy for a company of which they're a fan.

[Zubiac666]

For example, Zubiac666, whose signature makes the absurd claim that "before anyone did anything, Nintendo did everything!"

oh! thank you daddy ,I love you too!
:lovin:

and to be brutally honest:
I even have STOLEN that slogan and made it my bitch by changing it for my benefit.The original one(Before anyone did anything,Elvis did everything) was written on an inlay card for Elvis' best of album.
What an absurd claim by the record company!
I'm really shocked.

[zmweasel]

Thread begins with someone posting about a announced (percieved) gain in market share for one of the 3 - yet the thread devolves into a mix of attack and defence of that company after it is taken as an exuse to pull apart said company.

It's only natural for a Nintendo thread to draw in the Nintendo fanboys, and for that thread to degenerate into attack and defense. Rational discussion of Nintendo is damn near impossible in the online community.


Now, jumping into such a topic and taking shots at both the original poster and the company in question isn't exactly defence.

I never claimed to be defending anything. Again, just providing a fact-filled reality check to counter the cheerleading, which gets on my nerves as much as the use of the word "fanboy" apparently gets on yours.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

and to be brutally honest:
I even have STOLEN that slogan and made it my bitch by changing it for my benefit.The original one(Before anyone did anything,Elvis did everything) was written on an inlay card for Elvis' best of album.
What an absurd claim by the record company!
I'm really shocked.

I'm familiar with the source of your sig; just pointing out that it's 100% fanboy (and 100% wrong).

And while Elvis might have stolen his moves and his music from the black man, he's pretty much the pop-singer prototype, whereas Nintendo built upon the efforts of many earlier game companies.

-- Z.

[YoshiM]

This is not unlike rooting for the home team. Even though a person may not have any financial ties or have any gains or losses on a team's performance they will defend it until they are blue in the face.

The sports analogy is an interesting one but I disagree with it.

In sports, you pick a single team per sport because it doesn't make sense to root for two of them.

With video game consoles, you can have more than one. Most of us here are proof of that.

Your favorite team in sports is generally your team for life.

With video game consoles, "life" is about four years. You have to make new choices as the years go by. Atari and Sega fans know this.

True the sports analogy was a bit of a stretch but in a way it is on the same track. I don't think people really support a piece of hardware per se but support the company behind it. The hardware is the company's latest representative, something to rally behind on behalf of the beloved company. Noahsmybro mentioned that the desire to step into the fray and defend the 2600 and 5200 (both Atari products) still burns.

The latest hardware from a favorite company (sometimes) represents what YOU like in entertainment and in gaming circles you are a part of may change perceptions of peers and strangers alike of you. Depending on how much the company means to you is what influences your response to ribs on your choices from "Eh, I just wanted to broaden my horizons" to "Dude, say that again about Nintendo and you'll need forceps to remove that Playstation I'm about to insert sideways up your ass". Of course people like you, me to a point, and others know the joy of multiplatform gaming but others focus on what gave them the greatest joy in the past and stick with it. To quote Quentin Tarantino from Four Rooms when regarding the quality of the tasty beverage he gave Tim Roth's character, "It's f'n Krystahl. Everything else is piss." That's the view some of these gamers have.

With that in mind, when someone disses Gamecube that in effect disses Nintendo which in some Nintendo fans' minds that then means that the fan's choice of brand of entertainment and loyalty is being dissed. Naturally when a game system is doing well it gets more bonuses (more games, more recognition, higher status, etc.) and the supporter of the company feels good that they made a wise entertainment investment and will probably let everyone know how good they feel.

[Spoony Bard]

If I can throw my $0.02 into this:

I think Nintendo is positioning itself to take a solid 2nd place. I personally think that, if intelligent, a company can survive in 2nd place. Most everyone interested in a videogame console will buy a Playstation 2 first. That's no secret. What Nintendo seems to be doing is making the Gamecube more attractive as a second console, with a number of top notch 1st and 3rd party games on the system. What Nintendo needs to do is find a way to make themselves more attractive when it comes to multi-console titles. They did it with Soul Calibur 2.

In short, Nintendo would like to be 1st, but it isn't going to happen. They can survive in 2nd, if they adopt a different mindset, at least until the opportunity to strike appears.

[NvrMore]

It's only natural for a Nintendo thread to draw in the Nintendo fanboys, and for that thread to degenerate into attack and defense. Rational discussion of Nintendo is damn near impossible in the online community.

Except, you don't "call em' as you see em'", you merely state what you believe is correct and subsequently label those who question such as fanboys and try to dismiss them and their posts with sweeping generalisations.
Indeed your idea of rational discussion seems to be little more than your outlining your view and then everyone else agreeing, hence your tendancy to launch into discussions making such generalisations and throwing out the usual dismiisive remarks.

Seeking to immediately dismiss anyone in a discussion is ignorant in itself and highly indicative of the desire to express opinion without discussion, that or the inability to discuss the topic matter rationally.


Again, just providing a fact-filled reality check to counter the cheerleading, which gets on my nerves as much as the use of the word "fanboy" apparently gets on yours.

Fact-filled, hardly. It was little more than the typical generalisation and scape-goat labelling that I mention above.

Jumping into a thread, calling names and setting out to use it as an opportunity to take a few opinionated shots at what they were talking about is just a typical bash responce, arguably flamebaiting given the current line of discussion.

BTW, fanboy's typically exhibit the need not only to feverently defend a product or company, they also set out to use any opportunity to bash something in competition with it, even setting up threads just to do so.

I haven't seen any of those you labelled living upto that.

[digitalpress]

I don't know if it's too early, or too late, but it's definitely time. I'm tired of watching this boring ping pong game, where the same phrases get cut and pasted over and over in what appears to be a battle of will, not wit.

Thanks for ruining another thread.

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