Name the System that You Just Don't Like [Archive]

Kid Ice

10-16-2002, 10:47 PM

Okay, there have been a number of systems in the history of videogames that I could do without. You could have your Intellivision, your Sega Master System, even your Super Nintendo... I could live without those 3 for various reasons.

But is there that one system that you single out for complete hatred? One that you pick on a little bit? One that you dislike on an emotional level, even though you can't quite pinpoint the reason?

For me, that system is the Colecovision. Now before all you Colecovision fans (and there are a lot of you here) bombard me with flames and game recommendations, let me stop you right there...I've heard it all before. No one is turning me onto it. No one is bringing me over to the Coleco team. Better men have tried and failed.

When I try to put a reason to my feelings about the Colecovision, logic breaks down.

I don't like the controllers. Not a little bit. Yet, I wouldn't say they're the worst controllers ever made (I'm thinking about you, Intellivision, and you Atari 5200).

I don't like the games. Sorry, Venture is just not a marquee game. Neither is Zaxxon. But boy, that Donkey Kong looked pretty fierce back in '82.

Maybe it's the little intangible things. Like the way you just have to sit there and wait for a game to start up. Or how you have to choose the number of players and the difficulty from that stupid menu (on which the choice is invariably "1") Or the way the controller cords resemble phone cords from the seventies.

Or maybe it's that Colecovision attitude. You had to be there to know what I'm talking about. Just that superior attitude of those kids who asked their parents for Colecovisions instead of Ataris. And got them!

My friend Mike was the only kid on our block to get a Colecovision. He invited me over to play it. I was thrilled...to learn how much I hated it! It's like I WANTED to hate it!

"I've got news for you Mike; this sucks! Want to come over and try my Vectrex? I bought it for 50 dollars! Hey, is Coleco gonna come out with Berzerk? How about Pole Position? What's this game...Cosmic Avenger? Did that ever come out in the arcades? Hey Mike, let's watch Scooby Doo instead of play Colecovision, okay? Pitfall is better than Donkey Kong, by the way."

Ultimately, when I look at it in a rational way, Colecovision FAILS my "one worthwhile original game" test. Odyssey had KC Munchkin. Intellivision had AD&D. Atari 5200 had Robotron. To me, the CV just had NO GAME.

the kid

Anyone with a similiarly intense hatred of this or a different system, or am I alone in this? And DON'T SAY VECTREX!

Tempest

10-16-2002, 10:52 PM

Atari 7800. I can't get into it no matter how hard I try. Every time I try I think "Atari tried to run THIS against the NES?" Ugh!

Tempest

Raedon

10-16-2002, 11:16 PM

HaHa, that's what I first thought about the 7800! "Phht, the NES blew this away.." But then I played Ms. Pacman and some other classics and it does more arcade conversions right them any other classic console.

MY most hated was the CD-I, and I hated it because it ruined the name "Zelda"

GENESISNES

10-17-2002, 12:25 AM

the CD-I also trashed mario with the weird game "hotel mario". The 5200 joysticks sucked ass. Talk about self-centered!!!(i know its lame okay!!!)

moycon

10-17-2002, 12:29 AM

Odessey2 never did it for me.

scooterb23

10-17-2002, 01:04 AM

I think I've made it pretty clear over the years that I am not much of a fan of the Super Nintendo.

I've never really understood what I disliked about it, I think the main thing is that I have had a heck of a time finding good games for it.

First off, all RPGs are out, I've never liked 'em, never will. Now I know that is what a lot of the top SNES games are, but I don't care for the genre.

Next, I really like sports games, and, with rare exceptions, the SNES was poor in the sports department.

NOw, I do like hop 'n bop games, and the Mario games are genius on the SNES, best of the series hands down.

Once I get past those though, I'm not seeing too many games I care to play.

Now, if people want to try and convince me otherwise, I'm all ears.

Captain Wrong

10-17-2002, 01:17 AM

I have to say that the system I dislike the most is the Intellivision. Where as I don't "hate" it per se, it rarely gets hooked up much.

First off, the controllers are terrible. Far worse than the 5200's, which get much worse press. I hate the fire buttons on the side and they're spaced weird, the disc controller is a pain in the ass and someone once described using the keypads as "trying to dial a telephone and work a thumb pad at the same time."

The games, well...I just don't see a star title in the bunch. Sure there were games that were innovative for the day, like the sports games and Utopia. Problem is, you need two players. And honestly I haven't been able to find anyone to comeover and play Intellivision with me.

Some of the games most people point to (Burgertime, Lock N Chase, Bump n Jump) as being excellent were ported to other systems with better controllers and I'd rather play those. (Yes, I know 2600 Burgertime is terrible, but the Coleco version rocks.)

Speaking of sports games, I'm not a big fan of them. I know this was a huge selling point back in the day, so already I'm not interested in some of the best games for the system. Not to mention soprts games age badly, unless perhaps you have some nostalgia for them.

The rest of the games just seem to be lacking to me. It seems like the games are slow and made overly complicated to point out the fact that the Intelivision had more buttons than the 2600. I'm a fan of faster arcadey type games and the Intellivision just is lacking in that area.

There are three games I will still play once in a while. Snafu, Astrosmash (another one that was ported) and Loco-Motion. That's about it, and those hardly show off all the system was capable of.

Runner up, the 7800 *looks at Radeon ;)*. Not a terrible console (though they did strip down the sound capabilities perhaps to be backwards compatable), just really lacking in the software department. It would have been interesting to see some more modern (for the time) games on it rather than more ports from the early 80's, even if they were great ports. Oh yeah, the controllers really suck too. But it does have Food Fight, probably my fave game for the system.

Now if we were talking "Which console do you think is most over rated..." ;)

Spike

10-17-2002, 04:10 AM

I honestly can say that the first system that I ever thought was just plain and total packaged shit was the N64.

I didn't see anything good in the game market, nothing drew me twards more friggin CART play, (as to CD play), and the controllers...... The Controllers!!!!, errrrrrrrrrr!

Arrrhalomynn

10-17-2002, 05:36 AM

Yeah, the N64 REALLY sucks. I still have to play a good game for that thing. Same with the cd-i. incredible suck machine.

The32xMemorial

10-17-2002, 09:39 AM

Ahhh, poot on all you Nintendo 64 haters... wouldn't know a good thing if it farted in your mouth. :fist:

The N64 controller DOES take a bit of getting used to, but it can be accomplished. Once you've mastered it, it works great and is one of my favorite controllers. I spent a good two hours last night playing Rainbow Six (which is MILES better than the awful PSX game, but not quite as nice as the DC port) and before that it was Rayman 2. Before that it was Ogre Battle 64, before that Hydro Thunder, and before that Beetle Adventure Racing. If you can't find something fun to play on the N64, you simply aren't looking hard enough.

My least-favorite console has got to be the Atari 2600. I don't quite understand that, as I loved it as a child and it was my most favorite thing in the whole world and I played it for hours. I don't know what happened. I guess I got tired of "beeps" and "boops" for sound, and crapily animated squares for graphics. Say what you will about "classic gameplay" and all that... I'd rather suck dirt off the floor than plug up my 2600 nowadays. I guess I've been spoiled on the NES, Genny, SNES, Saturn, PSX, and N64. Bah!!!

digitalpress

10-17-2002, 09:55 AM

the CD-I also trashed mario with the weird game "hotel mario". The 5200 joysticks sucked ass. Talk about self-centered!!!(i know its lame okay!!!)

Heh... I really LIKE Hotel Mario! The Zelda games were bad news though.

I'm trying to think of a console that I don't like for the wrong reasons. I mean, ANYONE can hate the Channel F or RCA Studio II, both of which play video games as well as a waffle iron could, but to dislike a system because of it's controller or game "feel"? Hmmm. This is my problem. I like them all for one reason or another... give me some time to ponder this.

Ruudos

10-17-2002, 10:00 AM

There's not really a system I hate. Every system has its good points I guess.

@DigitalPress, you're not the only one, I also think Hotel Mario is a pretty fun game.

YoshiM

10-17-2002, 10:14 AM

What system do I hate? Hmmm. That there is a good question. I'd have to also say Coleco ::steps behind barracades::. Yes, definitely Colecovision ::Steps down into a foxhole::.

The controllers are one big thing. The little knob seemed like it strained against me when I played. The fire buttons practically needed to be squeezed into the controller (and this was on a system that was rarely played from the original owner) and the number buttons weren't that responsive. Then there is the load time...on a cartridge?! I know that there was a delay on purpose, but damn! Then there were the games: there wasn't a lot that got my interest. Then the games that WERE good for me sucked due to the controller.

The SNES is next in line. But that's another story.

Dobie

10-17-2002, 11:52 AM

I tried really hard to like the Sega Genesis. Just never could get into it. I agree that a lot of SNES sports games sucked for the most part, but I still love Ken Griffey Jr. MLB (not the shitty sequel--the first one), Tecmo Super Bowl I & II, and quite a few of the hockey games. Genesis didn't come out with a single sports game that was better than the SNES though. I for one am no RPG fan, but some of the RPGs on the SNES are pretty fun. Secret of Mana for one. I do not like Phantasy Star and never will. Thus, I gave away my Genesis, and I don't miss it one tiny little bit.

There has to be a reason one can easily find Genesis systems still on the shelf at used stores, even though they're ten bucks or less. If most people see an SNES and a Genesis system next to each other, and they are both $20, I promise you 9 times out of 10 the SNES will be the first one to go, and I don't think its because the SNES has "shitty gameplay."

tynstar

10-17-2002, 01:17 PM

Genesis didn't come out with a single sports game that was better than the SNES though

NHLPA 93. On the Genesis it kicked ass on the SNES it sucked ass!

IGotTheDot

10-17-2002, 01:56 PM

I wouldn't say I hate any consoles, but I would say that I tend to focus on and think about buying games for one or two systems at a time. Right now I am all gung ho to buy games for the DC, but 2 months ago it was all about the Genesis. I guess it's my Man-cycle. It depends on what time of the month it is. :)

MarkM2112

10-17-2002, 02:01 PM

Out of all the systems out there, the one that I like the least would have to be the TurboGrafix 16. Except for one or two games, there really isn't any game on there that I would really want to play. I am not really a SHMUP fan, and most of the games on there seem to be oriented to that genre. Second would probably have to be the Oddysey (sp?) 2.

And btw, I LOVE my Inellivision and Colecovision, so NYAH!

maxlords

10-17-2002, 02:20 PM

Mark...I'm kinda surprised to hear the TG16 listed in this post...there were some SERIOUSLY cool games for that system...RPGs, platformers, etc. A lot of them were Japanese only, and a LOT were hard as hell to find, but tons of good games. What kind of gmaes do you like? I could recommend some GREAT TG16 games. However, you are right in one sense, as there are a LOT of shmups for that system...prolly over 100 for the TG16 and the Duo combined.

As for my personal hatreds? I don't like the following systems at all:

Any pre-NES system(Atari, Coleco, Intellivision, Odyssey, etc) and the the CD-I. Now I have virtually every system released from the NES on, and I have at least 3 or 4 games I love for every one of em, but I just can't get into any of the pre-crash games at ALL! I like em in the arcade machines...but not enough to want to own any of them. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I'm only 25 and grew up into gaming through the Nintendo rise to power, but I just don't like ANY of those systems/games, other than if I happen upon them in an arcade. The only exception is the C64, which I love cause it was the first gaming machine I ever owned :)

Cafeman

10-17-2002, 02:33 PM

I used to hate Intellivision, back in the day. But that's because I was an Atari zealot. I still don't like the Intellivision library, but in a way I now like the system because it's different.

N64 is really crappy to me too. There are a few good games for it, they are all Nintendo's. Cartridges alone are to blame.

MarkM2112

10-17-2002, 03:02 PM

Mark...I'm kinda surprised to hear the TG16 listed in this post...there were some SERIOUSLY cool games for that system...RPGs, platformers, etc. A lot of them were Japanese only, and a LOT were hard as hell to find, but tons of good games. What kind of gmaes do you like? I could recommend some GREAT TG16 games. However, you are right in one sense, as there are a LOT of shmups for that system...prolly over 100 for the TG16 and the Duo combined.

Perhaps that is the reason that I did not like it. My preferences for gaming genres are as follows: Strategy, Puzzle, RPG, Classic Arcade, Action Adventure, Platform, Sports, Fighting, SHMUPS, and Driving. Perhaps the fact that a lot of them were Japanese only, and a LOT were hard as hell to find, did not help the TG16 find its way into my heart. My cousin had one, and I REALLY wanted to like it, but I could not get into the games that I could find for it...

Arcade Antics

10-17-2002, 03:30 PM

I like every game system.

However, the one I like the LEAST has gotta be the R-Zone.

I mean really, what WERE they thinking? Really.

10-17-2002, 05:36 PM

I'll go the handheld route & say "Game Boy". I still can't believe this measly little piece of crap outsold the Lynx the way it did. 8-bit, colorless graphics, tiny display, same old Mario, Zelda, etc etc. (not to mention Nintendo's business tactics.)

Then they introduced NEW CASE COLORS! WOW! A red Game Boy! Hey- yours is BLUE! COOL! Who cares?

Now there's the Game Boy Advance- does anyone else think it's strangely similar to the Lynx- which came out 10+ YEARS AGO??? I'm not impressed.

*frowns, shakes head slowly in disgust...*

Kid Ice

10-17-2002, 07:28 PM

Game Boy? Did somebody say Game Boy? When I was rippin into the old Colecovision, I never even thought about Game Boy. Now that one deserves a thread all its own.

the kid

...such as "Game Boy sucks"

And I STILL hate Colecovision more!

Kid Ice

10-17-2002, 07:30 PM

@Scooter; don't forget Street Fighter 2. I don't like SNES either, but for me that one game was good enough to make the system.

the kid

theaveng

10-17-2002, 07:55 PM

The system I dislike is the Original Nintendo. I can't find any games worth playing, I don't like the pattern-based graphics, and the sound sucks. I suspect I was spoiled by the C=64.

But I DO like the Super Nintendo. I could play that system for weeks and never get tired.

N64: I just bought this console a month ago, and I don't see anything wrong with it? The controller is easy to hold, the graphics are hi-res 640x400 (better than PS1), and the games like Mario 64 are cool. What's not to like? Oh yes, the lack of CD-based movies. Well, I always preferred games to movies anyway, so no loss.

Atari2600: Everytime I play this system, it takes me back to my childhood. Yes, the blocky graphics and bleepy sounds are ultra-primitive, but the classic arcade gaming of Space Invaders, Asteroids, Missile Command, Defender, Berzerk, et cetera make you quickly forget about the flaws.

And that's yet another reason I dislike the NES: No arcade classics worth playing. :-(

theaveng

10-17-2002, 08:20 PM

How about Atari Jaguar64? I've never played it, but I hear many, many people complain about this system. (Why?)

10-17-2002, 08:58 PM

Probably because the games were original (though some uninspired) & didn't have Mario or Zelda (Link) in them!

(sniff, sniff)- do you smell sarcasm?

Also, Nintendo was "the thing" to have...the Jag was sorely misunderstood & unappreciated in its time. IMO the Jag kicks @$$ over ANY Nintendo system.

Mine's still hooked up to the the best TV in the house!

ManekiNeko

10-17-2002, 09:40 PM

There are just too many to name, but here are the ones that rush to mind the most quickly...

Game Boy Color

Talk about your disappointments! Not only was the hardware weak- we waited this long for an improved Game Boy and THIS was the best Nintendo could do?!- but the software was atrocious. If you weren't interested in Zelda or Pokemon you could expect nothing but awful movie based games and bewildering translations of Playstation games. Thank goodness the Game Boy Advance put the Game Boy Color out of its misery two years after its release.

game.com

Even the commercials couldn't make the games look good, and that's saying a lot. It was actually a step DOWN from the ORIGINAL Game Boy, and that's saying even more.

Atari 7800

Some peoples' loyalty to Atari just amazes me. What doesn't amaze me at all is the 7800. The only thing this console really has going for it is that it can play 2600 games and looks a lot more stylish than the VCS. I pity anyone who put a 7800 game into this thing, though.

JR

omnedon

10-17-2002, 10:20 PM

I play some more often than others. But I love them all.

Yes, The Intellivision controllers are ergonomically evil, but there is the odd game designed around them that just make it shine (*cough*TRON Deadly discs*cough*Major League Baseball*cough*)

Yes, the ColecoVision controllers were sucky, and it couldn't scroll in hardware, but those Hi-res arcade ports made the system 'leet back in the day-- jaw dropping good in '83.

Getting games for my SMS was tough in 87. The selection blew, but it was mine dammit, and I liked it.

For me, it's not about like and dislike, as much as it is to enjoy this piece of hardware, a physical snapshot of state of the art and innovation in electronic gaming of that era. To preserve it, and to own the consoles, so I can play nearly any game, at any time, from any manufacturer, for nearly any console. To keep it for the future, for my satisfaction, and for the possibility that one day in the future, others will be able to view the collection and see the physical manifestation of the evolution of one of my favourite forms of entertainment.

One day, we will be like old movie buffs, except that we are taking part in the preservation of the history, fellow curators. :D

It's like preserving cars and books. It's important.

The deeply flawed ones deserve preservation too.

theaveng

10-18-2002, 08:33 AM

digitalpress

10-18-2002, 08:38 AM

BTW, some peoples' loyalty to the Original NES amazes me too. Like I said earlier, I don't think any of the games are worth crap. There's SMB and then there's... well, nothing else. :-(
Troy

That's a pretty bold dismissal of an electronic wonder. Have you ever played Contra? Metal Gear? Mega Man 2? River City Ransom? Legend of Zelda? Punch-Out!!?

I was never a fan of the NES but this is the first time I've ever heard someone competely dismiss the library of 750+ titles. You're certainly entitled to your opinion Troy, but I've never disagreed with you more.

maxlords

10-18-2002, 09:34 AM

Perhaps that is the reason that I did not like it. My preferences for gaming genres are as follows: Strategy, Puzzle, RPG, Classic Arcade, Action Adventure, Platform, Sports, Fighting, SHMUPS, and Driving. Perhaps the fact that a lot of them were Japanese only, and a LOT were hard as hell to find, did not help the TG16 find its way into my heart. My cousin had one, and I REALLY wanted to like it, but I could not get into the games that I could find for it...

Well for strategy, there are a few but not a ton. Most notably:
Military Madness (Nectaris), Neo Nectaris(japanese) , Master of Monsters(japanese), Solid Force (japanese), Lords of the Rising Sun, and TONS of heavy japanese Koei games.

Not many puzzle games except: Panic Bomberman, Splash Lake, Implode, and Parasol Stars: Bubble Bobble 3

RPGs..there were a few good US ones: Neutopia 1 and 2 (very Zeldaish), Dragon Slayer, Beyond Shadowgate (very rare), Cosmic Fantasy, Exile (part RPG, part platform), Exile Wicked Phenomenon (fairly rare), Dungeon Explorer (like a cross between Gauntlet and Zelda), Dungeon Explorer 2 (VERY rare), Y's Book I and II, and Y's III. There were also TONS of Japanese ones..but of course..tehy're hard to play..a few have walkthrus if you're really hardcore. Those include Far East of Eden 1 and 2, Y's IV, and Legend of Xanadu 2.

There were also a lot of arcade and other games for the PCE/TG16, but most were released in Japan...over 800 games released in Japan, only about 150 here. Tons of good platformers, shmups, fighters, etc. Not many good sports or driving games however :)

Arcade Antics

10-18-2002, 12:07 PM

Had the 7800 been released in 1984 (as originally planned) we'd all be discussing AtariCube.
Highly dubious.

The 7800 could emulate arcade hits way better than the NES.
For example?

Like I said earlier, I don't think any of the games are worth crap. There's SMB and then there's... well, nothing else. :-(

I wouldn't bother to try to convince you to like the NES, but out of curiosity, how many of the 750+ NES games have you actually played on a real NES? Which games? There are TONS of good arcade hits, nicely done, on the NES.

theaveng

10-18-2002, 05:49 PM

BTW, some peoples' loyalty to the Original NES amazes me too. Like I said earlier, I don't think any of the games are worth crap. There's SMB and then there's... well, nothing else. :-(
Troy

That's a pretty bold dismissal of an electronic wonder. Have you ever played Contra? Metal Gear? Mega Man 2? River City Ransom? Legend of Zelda? Punch-Out!!?

No, but I look forward to receiving the ROMs in the email so I can! electrictroy@yahoo.com :D

(Actually, I did try Punch-Out and didn't care for it)

digitalpress

10-18-2002, 06:01 PM

ROMS?!

You really don't get it, do you Troy?

I'm more disappointed that you'd even make a statement like that without having played the systems' most notable titles. That pretty much ends any credibilty you ever had in my eyes, anyway. Well, hope you have fun on the forums and LEARN something in the process.

Captain Wrong

10-18-2002, 06:15 PM

No, but I look forward to receiving the ROMs in the email so I can! xxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com

Wow, this reminds me of a discussion I had once with a guy who worked in a game store (wonder what ever happened to him?) We were talking NES and he commented about how so many kids would come in the store and totally slam the quality of the NES. When he got to talking to them, it would always come up that they'd never actually played the system, just checked out the ROMS via emulators.

If you don't care for the games, that's one thing, but to claim system x does things better than system y when you've only expirenced system y through emulation is absolutely asinine. Emulation, good as it has gotten, will never be the actual thing it is emulating. There will always be a loss of quality somewhere.

*shakes head* I don't know why I even bothered typing this. I guess I'm just in a mood today.

Kid Ice

10-18-2002, 09:46 PM

Atari 7800 Some peoples' loyalty to Atari just amazes me... I pity anyone who put a 7800 game into this thing, though.

Had the 7800 been released in 1984 (as originally planned) we'd all be discussing AtariCube. The 7800 could emulate arcade hits way better than the NES.

BTW, some peoples' loyalty to the Original NES amazes me too. Like I said earlier, I don't think any of the games are worth crap. There's SMB and then there's... well, nothing else. :-(

Troy

Let me just stop you right there.

First of all, the thread is about consoles that you hate in an unusually high degree, without a huge amount of justification. I don't like the Colecovision. Period. There are things wrong with it, but there are things wrong with everything.

So the idea is, you post the name of the system you don't like, and maybe give A LITTLE background on why you feel that way. Everyone else seems to be capable of this except for you, "theaveng". It's not something that's meant to turn into a flame war. It's not something you have to justify at length.

There are perfectly good reasons to not like the Atari 7800. If you're going to say you hate the NES, you're on pretty thin ice, but okay, if that's your opinion.

What you DON'T want to do is build this RIDICULOUS case where you say the Atari 7800 is better than the NES. Those two machines are simply not in the same league. It's almost like comparing a movie like Gattaca to a movie like Episode 1.

If you disagree, then I implore you to compare the 7800 version of Galaga to the NES version. You said the 7800 emulates arcade games better, right? I want you to compare those two games, and honestly tell me that the 7800 is better at emulating arcade games.

In fact, since you are such a lover of polls and opinion pieces, why don't you start a poll where we can have everyone vote on which version of Galaga is better?

If the 7800 version wins the poll, I WILL NEVER POST A MESSAGE ON THIS WEBSITE AGAIN! I will withdrawal my membership at this board and you will never hear from me again!

So, theaveng, if you really want to put this great knowledge you have acquired from the 10 years you didn't play videogames to the test, why don't you counter my offer? Why don't we start this poll, and whichever of us is wrong, LEAVES? How's that sound?

the kid

And the NES versions of Xevious, Kung Fu Master, Mario Brothers, Double Dragon, and Donkey Kong are better too, BTW.

digitalpress

10-18-2002, 10:59 PM

scooterb23

10-19-2002, 12:13 AM

Actually DP, I do remember seeing a list where Gattaca was ranked as one of the 10 best Sci-Fi films ever...ah, here it is from Wired Magazine June 2002...

THE WIRED SCI-FI TOP 20

1. Blade Runner
2. Gattaca
3. The Matrix
4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
5. Brazil
6. A Clockwork Orange
7. Alien
8. The Boys From Brazil
9. Jurassic Park
10. Star Wars
11. The Road Warrior
12. Tron
13. The Terminator
14. Sleeper
15. Soylent Green
16. RoboCop
17. Planet Of The Apes
18. The Day The Earth Stood Still
19. Akira
20. Barbarella

I'm not a huge sci-fi fan, but I'd agree with much of this list.

jaydubnb

10-19-2002, 01:19 AM

The systems thats the biggest waste of molded plastic is The Gameboy. The ratio of bad games to good is horrendously high.

Honorable mention for most overrated system goes to the GBA. Hey, Nintendo, I already own a SNES!

jaydubnb

10-19-2002, 01:22 AM

Raedon

10-19-2002, 01:34 AM

Gattica is in a league all it's own.. Sci-Fi drama.. good stuff..

theaveng

10-19-2002, 07:05 AM

I have played a real Nintendo. It's sitting right in front of me on a bookshelf... given to me by an old high school pal. Playing the real think is even suckier than playing the emulator. Same is true with Atari 2600. Playing the real thing is not as much fun as playing the emulated version on the PC.

I like the Atari. Commodore. Super Nintendo. I even like SMS. But not NES. I just don't like the games.

Troy

P.S. Gattaca is far superior to Episode 1. Gattaca is actually worth watching. And no Jar Jar Dweebs.

theaveng

10-19-2002, 07:20 AM

You really don't get it, do you Troy? I'm more disappointed that you'd even make a statement like that without having played the systems' most notable titles. That pretty much ends any credibilty you ever had in my eyes.

I'm disappointed to see this message from you Digital Press. My comments were confined to the equipment. You are now attacking ME. You've crossed the line from intellectual debate, to personal attacks. Unacceptable.

RULE: "You agree not to post any abusive... or hateful material"

Arrrhalomynn

10-19-2002, 07:36 AM

If YOU act like a retard,the of course he's going to attack YOU. And since when are you having intellectual debates? I have never seen you say anything even remotely intellectual.
All you do is whine about people disagreeing with your unsupported, non-argumented opinions.

NvrMore

10-19-2002, 07:55 AM

Playing the real thing is not as much fun as playing the emulated version on the PC.

That's so very, very wrong..

Although they're great little programs, Emulators still aren't capable of providing "True emulation" of any given system. They're fantastic pieces of work and all credit to their creators, but in effect all they can do is immitate the system as best they can, they cannot actually match they original.
It's like an Elvis impersonator, he can get the clothes, copy the moves, sing the songs and even get surgery to look more like Elvis, but he might be fantastic at pretending to be Elvis and he might put on a good show, but he is not the same as or as good as the original.

In the sme vein, although there are many that try, there is no emulator that can match the original system, some provide neat little tricks to add onto their impersonation, but they never provide the same experience as the original.

Put simply, on an emulator it's not like you're playing on the console, it's the equivalent of playing on a PC / MAC conversion of that console's games.

Try actually playing the games (not the roms) before you make such sweeping remarks.

theaveng

10-19-2002, 07:59 AM

Okay, enough. Let's stop attacking people and get back on topic:

ATARI 7800:
You guys are right. Gattaca on the 7800 is not as good as on the NES. Vice-versa, Robotron is not as good on NES as on the 7800. The 7800 version rocks.

On the flip side, 7800 doesn't have anything like Super Mario Bros. Or Zelda. Which is shame. The 7800 could do games like that, but Atari was too busy re-hashing old arcade classics instead of developing original stuff.

Overall though, I still think the 7800 is a good system. It's similar to the Colecovision, but a step higher in technology and with much better controllers.

theaveng

10-19-2002, 08:04 AM

Atari 7800 Some peoples' loyalty to Atari just amazes me... I pity anyone who put a 7800 game into this thing, though.

What about the Atari 2600? Do you have the same opinion about that system?

digitalpress

10-19-2002, 08:34 AM

You know... you just can't reach some men.

Oh well.

Hey, IS Gattaca in a league of its own? Funny, I saw it and thought it was pretty decent but I'm usually all alone when I enjoy a movie like that. Good to know that it was "commercially acceptable"!

maxlords

10-19-2002, 09:10 AM

It's almost like comparing a movie like Gattaca to a movie like Episode 1.

:lol:

OK Jeff, you lost me on that one. WHICH ONE is supposed to be the good one and which one is supposed to be the bad one?

:lol:

From a critical standpoint, Ep. 1 was a total piece of shite. It was mindles, degenerating, and lacking in almost every area. I saw it opening night, expecting something good, and I FELL ASLEEP in a sold out crowd I was so bored!

Gattaca was a masterpiece of filmmaking, IMO, as well as in many critics' opinions.

maxlords

10-19-2002, 09:13 AM

Okay, enough. Let's stop attacking people and get back on topic:
ATARI 7800:
You guys are right. Gattaca on the 7800 is not as good as on the NES.

You want to trade you'r original factory copies of Gattaca for the 7800 and the NES? I'd give ya good trade for em..... :)

Kid Ice

10-19-2002, 01:13 PM

I want to apologize to everyone on this board for reviving the "Gattaca vs. Episode 1" debate. I will not post again on this subject.

the kid

..as for the boring, overrated Blade Runner...oh, never mind.

bargora

10-19-2002, 07:07 PM

..as for the boring, overrated Blade Runner...oh, never mind.

No way! Blade Runner is sweet!

And GB/GBP/GBC = steaming doo-doo, largely because I can't find any games for it that I enjoy playing, with the possible exception of the Super Mario Bros. port. And the screen is too small.

Now, to those of you who "hate on" the GBA for being Nintendo's SNES reissue cash cow, well, I can't say that it's not being milked like that. BUT, I implore you to go out and buy Advance Wars or Gradius Galaxies or one of the Castlevanias for your GBA (you DO own one, right?) and try it out before you reach a final judgment. There ARE original games coming out, even if some of them are franchise extenders. Hell, I've played Advance Wars more than ANY other game I own this year.

jaydubnb

10-19-2002, 07:50 PM

Raedon

10-19-2002, 07:58 PM

You guys are right. Gattaca on the 7800 is not as good as on the NES.

Dude, that's so wrong.. why are you here? lol :roll:

michael

10-19-2002, 08:43 PM

Okay I know this is going to cause more than a few waves but hey It's a free country as long as america keeps on lying to the public :D

Well a system I never did like was the Atari 2600...
BUT You have to understand my age and the type of video games I like to play such as RPGs and Action RPGs.
I am 14 so I barely got the see the NES and hell the Atari systems were long gone by the time I was born.

I tried a few games and I will admit I liked Donkey Kong and Pac-Man. but that's about it... not to mention the horrid controllers / joysticks (depends on what you want to call them) but anyways that's my 2 cents.

scooterb23

10-19-2002, 10:43 PM

Gattaca on the 7800 is not as good as on the NES

You just can't argue with logic like that... :shock:

And Michael, it's ok not to like the 2600 as long as you have a valid reason....no matter how wrong you are ;) j/k. I'm actually surprised more people haven't come out against the 2600, I've always kind of felt like "you had to be there" to understand the charm of the 2600.

Heck, if I wasn't around at the time of the 2600, I don't think I'd give it a second look these days.

michael

10-19-2002, 11:00 PM

Hey I never said the Atari 2600 wasn't a great system for it's time or even now but it just doesn't appeal to me.
I kind of feel bad saying ....
Anyways I DO like a few of the games but it didn't justify me owning one so I sold both my systems (2 versions) heh Strange thing is getting those 2 systems + 50 games +2 10 game holders and system holder only cost me 50 bucks....

Tempest

10-20-2002, 12:29 AM

I actually liked Episode I... :shock:

Tempest

theaveng

10-20-2002, 07:26 AM

The best thing about the Atari 2600 is you can play it at work during your lunch break. The games only require about 10 minutes to play... they don't go on forever like today's RPGs and action-adventures.

Also, the 2600 games are good for family get-togethers... everyone can take a turn trying to get the highest score.

emumuumuucowgomoo

07-24-2005, 09:02 PM

Oooooh, this thread has the potential for fun!

The Sega Master System.

CHRIST what a piece of crap. Don't start. I've played it. If these games were released for the NES, they'd be considered crap. Alex Kidd? There's a NES game that's exactly like it and considered one of the crappiest. Can't remember the name of the NES game - though Puss n' Boots also reminds me of a punchless Alex Kidd. The same piss poor level of play mechanics, the same dull, dreary backgrounds.

The Great sports series is unfortunately not so. Oh man it hurts. Hurts so bad it hurts.

Wonder Boy? You mean Shitty McNoSword and the Epic Door Knocking Fest? Come ON... Castlevania is easier to get around in than this thing.

The Sega arcade ports suck, the music is generally drab and horrible no matter what title you're playing, and I cannot for the life of me stand RPGs, so no Phantsy Star.

Every game that was offered for both this and the NES is better on the NES. And the NES was released, what, two years before the Master System?

Of course, it did well in Europe. Along with the Crusades, the Pope, tasteless food, martial law, shooting innocents in the 21st century, and Nazis. So I guess it figures.

Kuros

07-24-2005, 09:32 PM

Personally, anything pre NES I can't get into.

I just can't stand playing the games. I've tried and tried but they don't appeal to me.

I guess that's what I get for being born during the NES era. LOL

towerofsong

07-24-2005, 09:35 PM

Can't stand the Master System, at all.
Just everything seems wrong and poor. And ew.

Lothars

07-24-2005, 10:00 PM

Well the system I dislike because it wasn't that good IMO is the Game Gear

It was really cool to see a Portable system with a color screen but all in all it's a mediocre system

especially when the caliber of games on the gameboy is so good compared to the games on the gamegear

but than again I've only played a couple games, so it's possible im missing out on some of the better games

so that's why I picked the gamegear.

Jon

MrRoboto19XX

07-24-2005, 10:34 PM

You know, this is going to sound crazy (my apologies if this was only meant for classic systems) but there's something about the Xbox...

Im not sure what it is, perhaps its the fact that had Halo not existed, the floodgate of crappy games for it would'nt have occured. I mean when I look at some of these 3rd party titles I can only be reminded of how so many american games are bland, boring, and lacking.

Perhaps its the whole microsoft "We're better than you, we have more money than you, and we dont care how much we loose" attitude. As a company theyre no longer innovators, theyve simply become par, mediocre. They are the Wal-Mart of games/computers

I know part of it is its legion of rabid fanboys who swear to their life Halo 2 is amazing. Dont get me wrong, its an enjoyable game, but give yourself more variety.

Were Halo/Halo 2 good games? Yes. Is the system graphically superior to anything else? Yes. Does it have currently the best online community? Yes.

But still, I cant shake it. Perhaps someday Ill buy one when theyre cheap and I can find good games at bargain prices.

The whole system just comes off as a "Me too" that got lucky, and I guess it makes me feel off because it seems like there shouldve been a good Sega system in its place, but who knows.

If you enjoy the Xbox, so be it and enjoy yourself.

As for me, after I post this on my mac, Ill go play Katamari Damacy, or perhaps SOTN.

sabre2922

07-24-2005, 10:51 PM

The N64 is the one system that I severely dislike and the only reason that I dont "hate" the system are the few saving graces wich are: the Zelda games,Mario64,Paper Mario,Conker, and Doom64 (yeah so Its my fav version of Doom :P ).

Other than that when I think about the N64 I have flashbacks of fuzzy foggy slowdown filled graphics that were prominent in about 90% of the games ever released for it.

I mean this was the system that made me hate my beloved Konami for releasing the crapfest that was the Castlevania64 games :puke:

and the controller :frustrated: I dont care how anyone tries to explain it away it sucks period.

I remember playing the original KI in the arcades back in the summer of '95 how I luved that game and me and my friends were sooo hyped everytime the ULTRA64 logo would launch up and then came the real thing the freakin let down of a decade the N64 and the and a terrible port of my beloved Killer Instinct in KIGOLD I mean it didnt even compare with the original arcade machine and Nintendo hyped it forever as "just a sample of what to expect for the upcoming Ultra64 system" BULLSHIT NINTENDO all lies Hell I had to go back to my trusty old SNES to get to play a decent port of the original KI wich was muuuuch better than the hacked to death N64 version :angry:

I honestly have never been more let down more by a system in my 25 years of gaming the loooong waits for a quality title to hit the store shelves the sooo many unfulfilled promises the freaking fuzzy ass graphics and all that fog!!!!! :bad-words:

Anyway Ive gotten overly excited its time to take my pills and a beer back to my padded room with all my crushed memories in tow :sob:

diskoboy

07-24-2005, 11:10 PM

Griking

07-24-2005, 11:17 PM

Out of all of the classic consoles that I played the one that I got into the least was the Intellivision. I can't say that I dislike it, it just never attracted me like the other classic consoles such as the 2600, 5200, O2, Colecovision and even the Astrocade. Perhaps it was the controllers, maybe it was because I really wasn't into sports games as much as I love adventure and arcade games or maybe it was because I dislike George Plimpton when I was young for some reason. Whatever the reason I'd have to say the INTV.

DTJAAAAMJSLM

07-24-2005, 11:30 PM

The R-Zone. It's just a little too simplistic, and the library doesn't have any titles that interest me.

AlexKidd

07-24-2005, 11:39 PM

I wouldn't say i really hate any system. Everything i've ever played has had at least a couple fun games. However there are a few systems I have issues with:

1. Game Boy(original)- No matter how many good games this system may have had I find them unplayable in black and white, and with the puke-green colored screen. The 2600 and Coleco had color and were much older. The fact that this thing outsold better systems like the turbo express,lynx and game gear really pisses me off.

2. Nintendo 64- This system was ok. I'm a nintendo fan and most of the first party games were good. However, I hated that there were barely any 2d games(I can only think of paper mario).

3. 32x- this had some ok 2d games which could have been done on the genesis but the 3d games looked terrible. They should've waited for the Saturn.

4.Intellivision- I enjoy some of the games for this system but the controller is one of the worst ever made.

5. PSX/PS2-Both of these have some very good games but Sony just puts out way too many games and most of them are crap.

FantasiaWHT

07-24-2005, 11:46 PM

Haven't read much more than the first few but...

The Nintendo 64.

I just can NOT get into this system at all.

I think the graphics are butt-ugly. Sure, the PS1's polygons were pretty hideous too, but at least you had some gorgeous cutscenes (or hand drawn backgrounds!) interspersed throughout that gave you such wonderful "ahhhhhh" moments.

I HATE HATE HATE the controller. Too big, bizarrely laid out... I never EVER felt a good "connection" with the character I was controlling.

The games never drew me in either. I'm sorry to 99% of you who think Ocarina is the best game ever, but I can't stand it. I've started the game 2 or 3 times, and each time I get horribly bored and disinterested after a few hours. I can't stand Mario 64. Super Mario Kart is way better than Mario Kart N64. I only pretended to like Mario Party's for my best friend's benefit.

I could buy an N64 for dirt cheap right now (never owned one before) but I won't even bother.

scorch56

07-25-2005, 01:50 AM

Nintendo 64.. I just don't like it. It was the system I waited the longest to buy (4 years). I always buy Nintendo's latest console offering the last though, out of all current generation systems (i.e. my Gamecube came WAY after my PS2 and Xbox). To me.. Nintendo's game offerings have always been "weak" (They're the systems I own the least games for.. save the SNES). However.. I do really enjoy the Super Nintendo.. almost as much as the Genesis. Last great system Nintendo made.. IMHO.

emumuumuucowgomoo

07-25-2005, 01:59 AM

I'm probably gonna get shot for this...

The Sony Playstation. Just didn't like it. It seems like practacally every game released for it was an RPG (Which I can't stand) or a game that is not designed for a western audience. Sorry - I'm not obsessed with Japan, either.

Nonsense! How can you say that! Why, there are three Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen games, and more than ten (count 'em, TEN) NASCAR racing games. USA, APPLE PIE, AND PLAYSTATION ALL THE WAY SIR 9/11 NEVER FORGET!!!!! WTC WTC!!!

Oh, and more than a couple of fishing games.. though I dunno, those might fall under the "RPG" category :P