Play Messiah's LE Wireless NES controllers

[nesuser2]

Not sure if anybody has read up on these, I'm sure some of you have read about them or seen them. They were to be debuted at CGE. Anyways, I preordered mine for $53.xx and they said the ship date was Sept. 1st, after their return from CGE.

Anyways, I expected this to be much like the anxiously awaited DP Advance Guide as it says it will ship Sept 1st upon return from CGE. It's much the same, preorders are paid in full and Sept 1st is an approximate. Sept. 1st was the closest well rounded date, or as I see it.

Tonight, I got an email from Messiah saying that they had received my preorder(preordered quite some time ago) and it says that they received payment, which they've already done once. Anyways, then it says they will ship in mid to late september. And thanks for purchasing. LOL

Anyways, I emailed them back asking for an explanation as to why there was a holdup. I mean, I don't want to be a complete crabass about it but I did send them $50 a while ago and they pushed the shipment date back about 3 weeks.

So, the real reason I'm posting:

Did anybody else preorder these controllers?
Anybody pick some up at CGE?
Anybody think they oversold what they thought they would at CGE?
Any preorderers receive an email stating a different date?

And finally, does anybody think I stepped across the line by even emailing them? I don't think I'm too far across the line because, I'm nearly 100% sure that if there was a couple week delay on everyones DP guides, Mr. DP himself would post here and let people know that it was going to be an extra little while and most people would be ok with that.

What did CGE Go'ers think of them? :D

[playmessiah]

nesuser2,

I am sorry you feel the way you do. We had full intentions to sell the product at CGE2k4 and ship the product on September 1st. The truth is that we did not sell any Wireless controllers at all at CGE. We took 20 production samples with us to the show for both NES and SNES. Those literally got to the US the day before the show.

We had several delays in the tooling that held things up a little. The tooling is the mold that is used to inject the liquid metal and form the parts of the controller. We also had some minor bugs in the product that need to be fixed as well. We made the decision at CGE not to sell any. We did not want you to pay $50 for a product that was not perfect. We believe in delivering the best possible product and are looking out for you the GAMER by delaying the product.

Despite the fact that product had bugs... many people begged us to sell the controller to them but we would not. We did raffle 1 NES and 1 SNES each day so that 4 people could go home with an early sample unit.

About the email that you received... that was a mistake that one of our staff made. The message you were supposed to get was explaining what happened. If you don't want to wait for the product we would be more than willing to refund your money. We apologize for the way you feel we are truly looking out for you.

Sincerely,
Brad Strahle
VP of Product Development
Messiah Entertainment

[PhoeniX]

I played those Messiah controllers a couple times at the CGE, as soon as my bank account recovers from my lack of self control at the convention I definately will have to order some...

Oh well in the meantime I will have to tide myself over with the A & B keg stools from their booth... :)

Man I'm sure they will fix they're production issue and get the things out soon, I mean they are a small company, and it's not like as consumers we have a whole lot of choice, companies aren't clamoring to support near decades long dead hardware...

Man that messiah guy responded in like a half hour... I guess they must be monitoring the boards; that's some pretty fast feedback though.

[nesuser2]

No, I'm the one that's sorry. I shouldn't have jumped the gun and posted but i knew that DP was affiliated and figured some other consumers might be able to help me out but it looks like you've answered all my questions. If there's a delay that's fine, but I just want to know what's going on.

Again, I'm sorry for jumping the gun but there's little I can do to retract my statements now. Hope things work out for the controllers and I'll look forward to receiving mine when they are up to par. Thanks for the expedited response as well!

Addition, I had the previous part typed up before the 2nd reply and I just want to add that it was a VERY fast response. I'll just have to sit tight and wait for my goods. :D

[PhoeniX]

Again, I'm sorry for jumping the gun but there's little I can do to retract my statements now.

you could always edit your post, I won't tell... :)

[playmessiah]

Thanks guys for the understanding.... it is kind of funny though, because I get copied on all the emails that get sent from Messiah to our customers. I read the one that went to nesuser2 and asked the staff why they sent that message. It turns out the staff member saw the messages that I was sending to all the people from CGE that ordered the product so my staff thought that was what we should send to the customers that had already so the same message was sent that we sent to first time orders. So we had a long conversation about how that was not good customer service.... so we had the conversation at our office about giving the customers a reason when there is a delay and then it pops up hear at DP :)

About monitoring the boards... I was just lucky... I had just got home from the office. Kind of sucks... my house is 75 miles from the office :( But I guess it is worth it because it is a great place. I do monitor how people get to our site... so I noticed a new Digital Press link appear... So I searched around for it and this is what I found.

I am ok if you don't edit posts... we really appreciate comments from everyone. This is how we get better as Company and make improvements to both the product and our customer service. Plus... I agreed with what nesuser2 was saying.

Although I was a little upset about another post on Digital Press... I thought we were very honest at CGE about the product being still in the prototype stage and that many changes needed to occur yet someone feels the need to say the product feels cheap and is no good. Sooo NOTE TO SELF... don't show the product to people until it is 100% finished ;)

PhoeniX...
I hope you enjoy the A-B Keg Stools. Please let us know how the cushions hold up... we are actually planning Super FamiCom stools for a future show that each has a different colored seat.

Thanks again guys... I can't wait to hear your feed back when you get the product.

Brad

[rbudrick]

Can't say I've heard of these controllers...is there a link with some more info on them? THey sure sound interesting...

-Rob

[maxlords]

I was damned happy with the controllers myself. Thought they felt very professional and worked EXTREMELY well. I was happy to preorder one at the show. For a new product, they're very nice. The D-pad will take a bit of getting used to, but they're quite comfortable. Kudos for laying out the $ for such a speculative investment, and I hope we cal all make it pay off!

[Querjek]

Can't say I've heard of these controllers...is there a link with some more info on them? THey sure sound interesting...

-Rob
www.playmessiah.com

[Qixmaster]

excellent controllers guys! I meant to preorder mine first thing so i could snag a low production number, but looks like I missed out and ended up spending too much money on other stuff. the first thing i did when i walked through the doors at cge at 9:00 in the morning was hit up your booth. I was quite impressed and later I found myself sitting on your couches numerous times playing galaga and super mario world with these lovely controllers. Once i have some more bills these are definately going in my collection. very impressive!

-Josh

[98PaceCar]

Agreed! The time I spent with them at CGE was more than enough to convince me that I need a set for both the nes and snes. They seemed very comfortable and worked great! Made it all the better when they called and told me I won the set of nes controllers they gave away on sunday! I wish I had still been at the show instead of sitting at the airport, but they were nice enough to ship them to me, so I should have them today. If anybody in the dfw area wants to check them out firsthand, you're more than welcome to try mine!

98PaceCar

[Flack]

These controllers are supposed to make an appearance at OKGE as well. I'm hoping to check 'em out first hand as well.

[Drexel923]

I just wanted to say again that I am very impressed with the controllers that were shown. I was one of the guys who was begging them to sell it to me, but they wouldn't. I have to say that its refreshing to see a company that only wants the best for its customers. That said, once I get some money (spent it all at the show :( ) I'll be putting in an order. Hopefully it won't be too long. Keep up the good work. :)

[digitalpress]

I have nothing but good things to say about both the products AND the people from Messiah Games. I got to meet and chat with them at the show and looking forward to working with them again in the future.

If you have not yet ordered the controllers, DO IT. They work very well, worth every penny and if you're truly a classic game fan you'll appreciate the new ability to play your original consoles without the wire clutter.

Brad and Carrie, thanks again and keep up the great work!

[98PaceCar]

Woot! My prototype Nes controllers just showed up on my desk along with a really nice note from Brad telling me a bit more about them. I guess tonight's gonna be a Nes night! I'll post my findings here after I'm done.

[playmessiah]

Thank you everyone for your feedback.... I will be posting a few pictures soon so everyone who missed the show can check them out... we are also in the process of updating the web site as well.

I look forward to hearing from everyone once we ship the product. We love to hear your comments, even the negative ones because this will only help to improve the product. Thanks again for your support.

Brad Strahle
VP of Product Development
Messiah Entertainment

[Mayhem]

The pads looked and felt good. Button presses were firm and responsive. The only niggle I had was that the D pad substitute was a little too twitchy for my liking, it only seemed you had to move every so slightly up or down and it would respond, making pure left/right moves a bit tricky. Apart from that, it was a damn fine product :)

[nesuser2]

Well, I didn't edit my post because it was already responded to and I don't think it's right that I try to hide things that I already said. So, they're all still there. I just hope that this thread can maybe create a little extra good business for the people at Play Messiah from the good people at Digital Press.

Finally, about the email, it's really no big deal. Mistakes happen because we're all human. I'm sure they understood what they did was not the best but I didn't give it the full benefit of the doubt. I still feel bad for posting anything in the first place, some more people preorder these controllers! LOL

[MarioAllStar2600]

To be honest I found them a tad bit sensitive, but I was told taht was going to be worked out.


Of course I own both sets- so im the man for a review. 8-) LOL
Did anyone see there raffle? I think it was fixed. :P

[playmessiah]

marioallstar2600 must have slipped us a few hundred bucks under the table LOL

Accually... he has got to be the luckiest person I know. What to go to Vegas this weekend :D

[playmessiah]

Here are some new pics for those that missed CGE.

http://playmessiah.com/media/messiah-nes-all.jpg

Here is a shot of the back with the Hologram. All Limited Edition versions will be number ???? of 5000.
http://playmessiah.com/media/messiah-nesB1.jpg

[Daria]

Lunch box packaging is seriously under-rated. I keep all my hand held games in lunch boxes. :P

I'm not sure from the pictures, but is the d-pad similar to the one used for the nes max (ie. slides around)? Or is it simply a big round button that functions like a normal d-pad? Hope I explained that well...

[playmessiah]

The top thumb grip does function like the NES MAX; it will rotate freely 360 degrees. But the actual d-pad functions more like a NeoGeo D-pad or an arcade stick without the stick of course :D It uses micro switches instead of the traditional rubber keys that were inside.

People who tried the controllers please let everyone know what you thought of the D-pad. The one thing to remember too is that the samples everyone tried were still in the prototype stage so there are still major issues that will be changed with the d-pad, so it will only get better when the final product is released.

I think what you will find is that after you get used to the d-pad you will like it.

[Jibbajaba]

You really shouldnt compare it to the NES max, because that thing (IMHO) sucks.

Chris

[Daria]

Ah geez. Now that you've answered I see that the back of the box descriped the controller. >.<

Thank you for responding though. You might want to know that on your website when you click on the Limited Edition snes controller it pops up an image of the NES version instead.

[maxlords]

Yeah, the D-pad felt a LOT like the Neo Geo CD jellybean controller D-pad....same kinda feel, but much larger and more comfortable. I really REALLY liked it. So much that I preordered one of the finals for shipment to Canada :D Yay!

[playmessiah]

Thanks for the info... I did not find it though... was it in the store? or on the products page?

[Daria]

It's here:

http://www.playmessiah.com/onlinestore/index.htm

Although. Freaky. It works now. Maybe my browser had the NES image cached or something. Nevermind.

[playmessiah]

No we just happen to be updating the pictures when you clicked the first time. We wanted to get rid of the renderings. The real thing looks much better.

I can't wait until we get the rest of the rendering off the site. :)

[nesuser2]

That was actually one of my worries when I bought them. I would always prefer to see the original thing because as we've seen with some of the images people can create from nothing, it's just best to see the real deal and know it will look better in your hands.

[playmessiah]

:D

http://www.playmessiah.com/media/messiah_contback01.jpg

Sorry... Couldn't stop myself after the in your hands comment....

[Drexel923]

I just wanted to say again that I am very impressed with the controllers that were shown. I was one of the guys who was begging them to sell it to me, but they wouldn't. I have to say that its refreshing to see a company that only wants the best for its customers. That said, once I get some money (spent it all at the show :( ) I'll be putting in an order. Hopefully it won't be too long. Keep up the good work. :)

And I just raised enough money to buy the NES set. Order has been placed. :D

I also wanted to say that Brad and Carrie and the group are some of the nicest people I have meet. I spent a good amount of time at the booth and they were very helpful and just cool overall. I was pretty bummed about not being able to buy the sets and losing the rafflers...but at least I got a T-shirt and an autographed hat. :)

[98PaceCar]

I wanted to post my initial feelings about the prototype NES controllers I received today. Overall, I'm very impressed! After about an hour or so of playing various games, I finally started getting used to the feel. They felt a bit off when I first started, but I think that's the extra sensitivity of the d-pad. I found myself making more deliberate motions to get the directions I wanted. I will say that Tecmo Super Bowl rocks with the extra sensitivity and easier diagonals. I'm sure there's other games that will benefit from this as well. It does seem easier to use the d-pad now that I've spent some time with it and Messiah has told me this is going to be addressed in the production units as well. Played some Tetris and Dr. Mario to see how it would do with a game that requires a bit more precision and I was able to play as well as I ever did. I think with just a little bit of a tweak, these will be perfect!

I haven't seen any glitches in the wireless and the speed of the controls feels dead on with the original pads. I've moved as far away from my system as I can (about 30 feet) with no effect on how they worked. I really like the more ergonomic grips on the back. They seem like they will be a lot easier to use for a long time, at least for me.

I did run into one game that didn't work, but I was told that as prototypes, there are games that won't work. I'll be reporting this to Messiah in the morning, but it's such an odd game that I doubt it will be an issue for very many people and I know that Messiah will have it fixed before the controllers ship (if they haven't fixed it already). Beyond this one game (and my toaster needing the cartridge jiggle every 2nd or 3rd game swap), I've had no problems whatsoever!

I haven't played with the turbo or slow features yet, but I'll do that tomorrow. I can't imagine any problems with these, but I'll post here after I try it.

Build quality is awesome. The controllers look and feel like they will take a beating and keep going. I like the fact that the receivers are very small as well. Makes it easy to stash them away! I can finally bury my system in my rack along with my xbox and gc. No more cords stretched across my living room!!!! 8-)

Even the packaging is cool. The manual is done in a comic book style that looks like an original NES manual! Messiah included a warranty card that has a large list of systems to choose from, so hopefully they will be doing more than just what they have announced (3do and TG-16 please!!).

It's safe to say that I'll be getting a set of the SNES controllers and probably a set of production NES controllers as well. From my email conversations with Brad, I am confident that Messiah is a company that will stand behind the product and make sure that people are happy. He's been very honest with me about what to expect from these prototypes and is genuinely interested in feedback from everybody. The shipping delay is kind of a bummer, but if it makes an already awesome product that much stronger, it's worth it!

If you spend any time at all on your NES, buy these! I wish I had won a set of the SNES controllers as well, but my luck only ran so far. I'm sure they are just as good as the NES ones, but maybe Marty can post his impressions for us. I'd like to know how the two different types compare.

98PaceCar

[Raedon]

I'm fine with my dogbones.


original NES.. keep'n it real..

[maxlords]

You don't have a rabbit then, Radeon :) My rabbit likes to run into the living room and chomp my cords.....not good for dogbones at all :(

Hence the NEED for such a great controller....and my preordering them. They're DAMNED good controllers....I can't speak highly enough about them or the guys running playmessiah. I had a chance to talk with them a good bit at CGE and they're all REALLY nice guys and gals. Definitely a class act!

[rbudrick]

I noticed on the website for the controller it says:


You can be over 30 feet away from your SNES system and still enjoy the freedom of being wireless.

I thought these were fro NES.....do they also work with SNES or something?

Typo?

-Rob

[rbudrick]

Never mind...found the other product on their site....didn't realze there were two seperate products, but that was listed under the NES one...

-Rob

[rbudrick]

I just ordered the NES and SNES LE versions. Can't wait to test em out!

-Rob

[RetroYoungen]

I did have a small beef with the controllers myself: just a tad over-sensitive. But overall, they worked very, very well, and were quite comfy.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to lingering outside MarioAllStar2600's window... I mean, school. Yeah. School. :evil:

(Darn you, Marty!!! :angry: )

[novamaster0]

I Would want the snes ones prbly if I ever get a working snes(stupid cables I might just order some there after I sell some calculators) How many tickets to the raffle did you buy?

[Jagasian]

Messiah does not need to make a wireless 3DO controller because you could just use their 2.4Ghz wireless SNES controller with a SNES to 3DO controller adapter:
http://www.gameexpress.com/product_detail.cfm?UPC=3192568335179

I bought 4, as they are only $7, they are hard to find, and for fighting games like Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, 3DO controllers really suck and SNES controllers really kick ass!

I think Messiah will make a killing with a complete Atari 2600 line. First off, the Atari community is very strong and active, second the cords for standard 2600 joysticks and paddles are extremely short (wireless obviously solves that), and Messiah could do a completely faithful wireless clone of the 2600 joystick and paddles because Atari didn't patent the shape like Nintendo did with their NES/SNES D-pad.

On the topic of the D-pad... I am very picky about D-pads. The official SNES controllers have the best D-pad in my opinion. Its easy to hit diagonals (unlike the Playstation controllers), and it is also easy to do pure left, right, up, and down motions too... something that newer controllers such as the XBOX controller seem to be bad at.

I ordered one SNES controller. If its good, then I will order 3 more. I am perfectly ok with Messiah delaying shipping so as to fix problems... just as long as it ships in a reasonable time, like end of September.

It really takes dedication to make new products for retro game systems. So we all need to step up to the plate and support Messiah.

[pixelsnpolygons]

those look really cool. I will love to pick one up... someday. No money for it now.

[Bratwurst]

Could a picture be taken of the new controller next to an original one for size comparisons?

[Cauterize]

they look great!!!! id love to own some of them!

[Great Hierophant]

I really, really like the idea, but I too worry about the D-pad. I onceowned a NES MAX and my memories of it are not fond ones. This D-PAD claims to have 360 Degrees of movement. Thats great if you are talking about a replacement for the 5200 joystick or any of the modern controllers with analog thumbsticks, but a NES and a SNES pad only have 8 directions. (I assume this is being chopped up into 45 degree segements.)

A tight D-pad is necessary for many NES games. The Legend of Zelda (and Spartropics 1+2) is practically unplayable with anything less precise or smaller than a NES or SNES D-pad. I tried to use a classic Microsoft Sidewinder game pad in that game and it was no fun. Contra and Super C also require a tight D-pad. When I need to duck, I must hit down infalliably. If I hit down+right I will not duck and likely be killed. A design that allows a transplant of a NES or SNES D-pad into the unit would be truly appreciated and would not likely infringe on Nintendo's dying patent rights.

[Jagasian]

I really, really like the idea, but I too worry about the D-pad. I onceowned a NES MAX and my memories of it are not fond ones. This D-PAD claims to have 360 Degrees of movement. Thats great if you are talking about a replacement for the 5200 joystick or any of the modern controllers with analog thumbsticks, but a NES and a SNES pad only have 8 directions. (I assume this is being chopped up into 45 degree segements.)

A tight D-pad is necessary for many NES games. The Legend of Zelda (and Spartropics 1+2) is practically unplayable with anything less precise or smaller than a NES or SNES D-pad. I tried to use a classic Microsoft Sidewinder game pad in that game and it was no fun. Contra and Super C also require a tight D-pad. When I need to duck, I must hit down infalliably. If I hit down+right I will not duck and likely be killed. A design that allows a transplant of a NES or SNES D-pad into the unit would be truly appreciated and would not likely infringe on Nintendo's dying patent rights.

Nintendo's patents would still cover it. Another idea would be to do what Messiah is doing now, but subdivide the D-pad's circle such that the up, down, left, and right slices of the D-pad are larger than the diagonals... making it easier to hit the pure directions.

The same is true for Super Mario Bros games on the NES. Diagonal down positions do not result in a crouch. Hence the game is nearly unplayable with anything other than a Nintendo D-pad.

[playmessiah]

Could a picture be taken of the new controller next to an original one for size comparisons?

Below is a side by side picture.

http://playmessiah.com/media/messiah-sidebyside.jpg

The SNES controller is almost the same size but it is thicker due to the batteries.

The NES is the same size as SNES sot the buttons are spaced a little farther apart than the original.

[playmessiah]

Does each controller have its own unique 'frequency'? In other words, if you have a few dozen controllers going at once (in a set up like the CGE game stations), is there any potential for signals to get crossed?

The Prototypes we used at CGE had 3 unique channels for NES and 3 for SNES. This means only 3 of each can be used at the same time. We are planning on the final versions having 4 unique channels so they can be used with 4 player games.

So to answer your question the signals can interfere if you are using more than 4 NES and 4 SNES at the same time.

[playmessiah]

I really, really like the idea, but I too worry about the D-pad. I onceowned a NES MAX and my memories of it are not fond ones. This D-PAD claims to have 360 Degrees of movement. Thats great if you are talking about a replacement for the 5200 joystick or any of the modern controllers with analog thumbsticks, but a NES and a SNES pad only have 8 directions. (I assume this is being chopped up into 45 degree segements.)

A tight D-pad is necessary for many NES games. The Legend of Zelda (and Spartropics 1+2) is practically unplayable with anything less precise or smaller than a NES or SNES D-pad. I tried to use a classic Microsoft Sidewinder game pad in that game and it was no fun. Contra and Super C also require a tight D-pad. When I need to duck, I must hit down infalliably. If I hit down+right I will not duck and likely be killed. A design that allows a transplant of a NES or SNES D-pad into the unit would be truly appreciated and would not likely infringe on Nintendo's dying patent rights.

Yes... the Messiah D-pad is only 8 directions and is divided into 45 degree segments. I guess the best way to think about it is not as a NES MAX but like an arcade stick from your favorite arcade center.

The D-pad is a miniturized version of an arcade stick still with 8 directions. The only difference between Messiah’s D-pad and an arcade stick is the fact that we removed the stick and added a rotating disc because you will need to opperate the d-pad with your thumb. So just like the arcade stick rotates around a shaft, so does the thumb disc on our D-pad.

I am not expaining well... sorry everyone. I will dig around later and see if I have a sketch.

[Flack]

Even though these won't be for sale at OKGE, can I borrow the SNES ones for a few minutes at my table? :evil:

These look very cool. Will you accept credit card pre-orders at OKGE?

[playmessiah]

Even though these won't be for sale at OKGE, can I borrow the SNES ones for a few minutes at my table? :evil:

These look very cool. Will you accept credit card pre-orders at OKGE?

Sure thing... We will have a PC online at the OKGE and can take Credit Card, PayPal, or cash.

Stop by and see Carrie.

[classicb]

I will say that Tecmo Super Bowl rocks with the extra sensitivity and easier diagonals.


That is all that I needed to hear I will be ordering as soon as I'm done typing. I think a company like this really needs to be supported because I don't think anyone else is wiling to take a chance like this on the classic gaming comunity yet.

I know the Turbo Grafx comunity is probably smaller than others but they need the wireless controller more than anyone else. I can't sit 2ft in front of my TV anymore. Please TG-16 controller next please.

[Jagasian]

I will say that Tecmo Super Bowl rocks with the extra sensitivity and easier diagonals.


That is all that I needed to hear I will be ordering as soon as I'm done typing. I think a company like this really needs to be supported because I don't think anyone else is wiling to take a chance like this on the classic gaming comunity yet.

I know the Turbo Grafx comunity is probably smaller than others but they need the wireless controller more than anyone else. I can't sit 2ft in front of my TV anymore. Please TG-16 controller next please.

I used to have a TG-16. Bought one when it was first released. It had rediculously short controller cables! At least with the Atari 2600 you had a long power cable and a long AV cable to compensate for the ultra short controller cable.

[Jagasian]

The Prototypes we used at CGE had 3 unique channels for NES and 3 for SNES. This means only 3 of each can be used at the same time. We are planning on the final versions having 4 unique channels so they can be used with 4 player games.


This is extremely important for me. Some of my favorite SNES games are 4 player games. The "Super Bomberman" series on the SNES are great 4-player games. Does anybody else have their own favorite 4-player SNES game?

Its also a good idea for Messiah to be able to support 4 controllers at a time, because people that enjoy these types of games are the ones that truely need wireless controllers. 4 people, 4 controllers, and 4 wires tangled up is a real pain... not to mention everyone being tied close together... one person jerks their controller and the entire system goes flying.

I really want to see 4 wireless paddles side-by-side for the 2600. Can you say Warlords parties?

[ddockery]

Wow, these are staring to look perfect for use with a SNES -> USB adapter for use on a cab... some games just peel better with a gamepad. Anybody tried them out with one of these on a PC yet?

[nesuser2]

Any updates on these? The site still said ships 9-20. Just curious :)

[Flack]

Any updates on these? The site still said ships 9-20. Just curious :)

I got an e-mail from Brad this week saying he was in Hong Kong overseeing production, and that my pre-order should ship out in early October.

[RCM]

I got a chance to use the controllers at the East Coast Gaming Expo. I thought they worked pretty well.

My only concern, and it isn't really a big deal for me is, how many people still play SNES and NES? After having both systems hooked up for years I put mine away in favor of emulation. I know SNES and NES sold boatloads in America, but again, how many people still play enough to pick up these neato controllers?

I wish Messiah luck. How about some wireless Saturn controllers next? Oh yeah, I forgot, you want to make money! Ha!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[TRM]

Any updates on these? The site still said ships 9-20. Just curious :)

I got an e-mail from Brad this week saying he was in Hong Kong overseeing production, and that my pre-order should ship out in early October.

I wonder why I didn't get an email from him. Did you email him first?

[nesuser2]

It sounds like Mr. Flack knows this person on more of a first name basis so we may be a little behind on the info, maybe hear something next week or so. Anyways, I'm just siked to get them....but school just started so it won't be long til i get mine!!

[TRM]

Yes, I am just excited to get mine as well. I want to review it in a college fanzine.

[Flack]

I paid for a pair right after OKGE, and he e-mailed me back with that information. My table was really close to theirs at OKGE and I got to see quite a few people drooling over both the controllers and Carrie. :)

I for one still play my SNES regularly. Yeah, I have all the roms on my laptop and all that, but the SNES is one system I really enjoy. As many of you know I have my systems hooked to a projector upstairs, and it's a pain in the ass trying to get back far enough with controllers with short cords. I can't wait to get my SNES ones!

As for "who still plays NES/SNES", take a look around the forums ... I'm sure you'll find a person or two or a hundred.

[nesuser2]

Actually, I think he asked that question on the wrong boards...haha. Flack being the newest king of emulation and I myself taking some steps from the master himself....I've amassed the kings ransom of roms. I really couldn't even give a figure, maybe 20k but I'm sure it's breeched that and the NES series is about all I even play....and I still have my nes hooked up and ready for action. I actually prefer a smaller tv though, adds to the nostalgia...bubble tube as well, flat screens weren't around when I played nintendo :D

Anyways, long story short...anybody with taste will atleast keep the real deal around. Emulation is good for a quick fix but when you really need to hit the spot, it's the real controller...or no dice. Keep this thread pumping so I have something to think about other than the fact that I'm awaiting the arrival of my controllers!!

[RCM]

As for "who still plays NES/SNES", take a look around the forums ... I'm sure you'll find a person or two or a hundred.

Yeah, I understand people on these forums would buy it. The girl I talked to made it sound like she was ready for some really big sales numbers. A hundred people doesn't sound too impressive to RCM. Even a thousand isn't that great in my opinion.


Anyways, long story short...anybody with taste will atleast keep the real deal around. Emulation is good for a quick fix but when you really need to hit the spot, it's the real controller...or no dice. Keep this thread pumping so I have something to think about other than the fact that I'm awaiting the arrival of my controllers!!

I disagree in certain cases. Sometimes using a controller other then the original can be a good thing. I hear what you're saying though and I have nothing against using original controllers. I hardly think one would lack taste if they prefer playing NES with a Dreamcast controller for example. Carry on.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM[/quote]

[nesuser2]

That was a bit out of line. I probably shouldn't have thrown in the taste comment. It just isn't human nature to play nes with a DC controller. The buttons never press right. I play NES on my Xbox all the time and it still feels funny, but I pick up the original and it always works. I think the other buttons just set things off and I can't take it. To each their own right, and I retract but won't edit my comment about taste. I have just larger than average hands and the DC controller gives me cramps BAD....but I love it the same, for DC games :D

[Jagasian]

I got a chance to use the controllers at the East Coast Gaming Expo. I thought they worked pretty well.

My only concern, and it isn't really a big deal for me is, how many people still play SNES and NES? After having both systems hooked up for years I put mine away in favor of emulation. I know SNES and NES sold boatloads in America, but again, how many people still play enough to pick up these neato controllers?

I wish Messiah luck. How about some wireless Saturn controllers next? Oh yeah, I forgot, you want to make money! Ha!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

I somewhat agree with regards to NES emulation, as FCE Ultra is very accurate and the XBox port, for example supports lightguns and such. However, SNES emulation is still not up to my standards, especially when it comes to sound emulation and mode 7 emulation. So I still use my real SNES, a large cartridge library, and a Super Flash cart from www.tototek.com for filling in the gaps in my collection.

[Raedon]

Agreed! The time I spent with them at CGE was more than enough to convince me that I need a set for both the nes and snes. They seemed very comfortable and worked great! Made it all the better when they called and told me I won the set of nes controllers they gave away on sunday! I wish I had still been at the show instead of sitting at the airport, but they were nice enough to ship them to me, so I should have them today. If anybody in the dfw area wants to check them out firsthand, you're more than welcome to try mine!

98PaceCar

I'll give em a big Thumbs Up to! Played threw the first world of Kirby at Pacecar's place and they were nice! I'm so use to the dogbone 4 point that the Neo-Geo CD like pad felt great.

[Raedon]

My only concern, and it isn't really a big deal for me is, how many people still play SNES and NES?

I would sell every game system I own every cart every new ps2/gc.. everything.. But I would keep my NES and SNES.

[RCM]

I somewhat agree with regards to NES emulation, as FCE Ultra is very accurate and the XBox port, for example supports lightguns and such. However, SNES emulation is still not up to my standards, especially when it comes to sound emulation and mode 7 emulation. So I still use my real SNES, a large cartridge library, and a Super Flash cart from www.tototek.com for filling in the gaps in my collection.

I have an SNES emulator that is flawless. It's really wonderful. Every game that i've played runs at full speed. THe sound is perfect and mode 7 runs perfect as well. rad!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Leo_A]

If this had a Nintendo style d pad, I'd of ordered 2 each.

Looking forward to seeing similar products for classic systems like the Atari 2600, 5200, and 7800.

And maybe even replacement controllers for Colecovision and Intellivision consoles (though I guess sales numbers would kill most of these ideas).

[nesuser2]

If this had a Nintendo style d pad, I'd of ordered 2 each.

Looking forward to seeing similar products for classic systems like the Atari 2600, 5200, and 7800.

And maybe even replacement controllers for Colecovision and Intellivision consoles (though I guess sales numbers would kill most of these ideas).

I can see the possibility of 2600 controllers but there just aren't enough Atari fanatics for the other systems to generate a profit. I'm sure Play Messiah isn't figuring on getting rich but I don't think he wants to lose any money and from the way it looks, it costs quite a bit of money to get this stuff designed, manufactured, and working correctly. In a perfect world....they would have had wireless technology perfected when the system was released :D (or atleast better than it was...)

[Leo_A]

Well, the one thing a Intellivision, Colecovision, and Atari 5200 controller has going for it are similarities such as the keypad.

Perhaps the similarity between the 3 might make some common components be possible, and maybe make something like this be possible.

[Jagasian]

I somewhat agree with regards to NES emulation, as FCE Ultra is very accurate and the XBox port, for example supports lightguns and such. However, SNES emulation is still not up to my standards, especially when it comes to sound emulation and mode 7 emulation. So I still use my real SNES, a large cartridge library, and a Super Flash cart from www.tototek.com for filling in the gaps in my collection.

I have an SNES emulator that is flawless. It's really wonderful. Every game that i've played runs at full speed. THe sound is perfect and mode 7 runs perfect as well. rad!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Please tell me which emulator this is, because both the latest versions of ZSNES and SNES9x are far from perfect. I think that ZSNES has slightly better mode 7 emulation, especially with regards to DSP1 based games such as Super Mario Kart... but I have compared both the real SNES and ZSNES and Snes9x side-by-side... and the emulators are still very inaccurate.

[Flack]

Lemme throw out a couple of things.

One, I have multiple SNES Console Copiers. I can take virtually any SNES ROM, throw it onto a floppy, and using my copier, play it on a real SNES. Like I said, most of my game playing is done on a big screen. Getting far enough away from the screen is a pain, and I think these wireless controllers will work great.

Two, that whole thing about hooking them with a USB adapter to a PC has had my wheels spinning. With that in mind, I can set my laptop next to my television (or to my projector), and play all my emulators with these as well!!!

Three, I can't believe more people aren't picking these up simply for the collecter value. Heck, I might buy another pair ... one to play with, and one to sell on eBay in about five years ...

[nesuser2]

Three, I can't believe more people aren't picking these up simply for the collecter value. Heck, I might buy another pair ... one to play with, and one to sell on eBay in about five years ...

I hear that. I personally don't see much value coming out of these but hey....I've seen much crazier happen on the bay. And if you feel froggy, feel free to buy me the snes set I can't afford since you're picking up extra pairs :D

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