Sony releases PSP price point... it ain't pretty!

[classicb]

I wasn't planning on buying the PSP, but if it's the price these fair and unbiased Nintendo Fansites are saying, then I'm really really really not going to buy it. That's 3X as much of the not-buying action as there was before people.

God, I hate Sony. So much. I just read so many bad things about them, they just seem like a bunch of unseemly folks, who might not brake for animals. I brake for animals. It just pisses me off. And they have all these games that appeal to a wide variety of people. Casual gamers... BLECH! I hate people. And I just can't see how someone could actually like Sony, who would probably hit your cat if it should be walking across the street, and Nintendo, who would probably give me a DS(or two!), if I should just ring their doorbell and ask. I don't know, they just seem like nice people, they'd probably give me a ride to work too. What was I saying? Oh yeah, how can some of these people like both companies at once? It just doesn't make any sense to me. It's almost like they don't care about company politics, or the flamewars between the fans of both sides, and they just want to play games, or something. How could anybody do that?

LOL ... that was sarcasm right

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

I think the $350 rumor is just that. A rumor. Sony didn't take over the home console market by being stupid. Releasing the PSP at that price would be a huge blunder. That's probably more that the PS3 will retail for. I expect the price to be very competitive with the DS. I would be willing to bet that the PSP launches for under $200 in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if it was at or around $150 though. Even at that price Sony would still be making a profit on there hardware. There production cost's are not very high. Consider this Sony is a electronics empire, not just a video game corporation, unlike nintendo. They have manufacturing company's all over the globe. And the new redesigned PStwo, minus the dvd drive, is basically a PSP. The PSP incorporates a portable version of the emotion chip, main powerhouse behind the PS2 which has now been integrated into the PStwo. The screen would probably be the next thing to drive up production costs. But Sony has some experience there also so I'm sure they can mass produce those bad boys fairly cheap, not to mention the DS has 2 screens and they are making the 150 launch point, so do the math. MP3 and WIFI technology? Nothing, and once again the DS will have WIFI as well. So I don't know why people keep talking about how Sony is gonna lose money on the hardware of the PSP if they don't launch at $350. Sony could sell it for 50 bucks and still make a profit. Just my humble opinion.

[Perkar]

well, i just want to apologize for this shitsorm i inadvertantly started. just posted something i thought was noteworthy, go to see les claypool concert, come home, 75+ posts later and fanboy flaming on both sides. yikes

:embarrassed: :(

[racecar]

that is TOO Expensive for the holiday budget !!!!!....hope the system(psp) will have a price drop on boxing day !!!

[Dahne]

That's right up there with the Nintendojo fanboi talking to Shigeru Miyamoto in undecipherable "Japanese" as the most freakish moment in E3 history.

-- Z.

Oh please, please elaborate. :D

[pixelsnpolygons]

Even at that price Sony would still be making a profit on there hardware.

I have no idea how much it costs to make a PSP - but I doubt selling it for $150 would allow them to still be making a profit. The profit margin on systems is usually low, with companies making up cash on software sales. I figure this thing will be at leat $199 - and can easily see it costing more. Even at $199 I'd be surprised if they were making a profit - adding strength to the $299- $300 fire.

[LiquidX01]

Sony could sell it for 50 bucks and still make a profit. Just my humble opinion.



Actually, He said they could sell it for $50 and still make profit. :bullshit: I dont see how that could happen.

[zmweasel]

You guys are forgetting how cocky Sony is. The PS2 retailed for 40,000 yen in Japan, mainly b/c of the DVD stuff. Who gives a fuck about an MP3 player? You can get those for $100. When the PS2 came out, DVD console players were still $250+... at least in Japan they were.

I can see a $300-$350 price tag.

I'll bet you $1000 that the PSP doesn't launch for more than $300 in North America. PM me if you want to set it up (contract, third-party escrow, et cet).

-- Z.

I don't ge you. Just a few days ago you were fighting with someone about how the DS price point was so competitve because Sony would be up around $300. Know you're fighting with someone about the PSP being below $300. All you do is fight with people on these boards. Why?

You seem to confuse "fighting" with "debating." Also, the earlier debate discussed the PSP at the potential price point of $299 and the DS at the official price point of $149. This PSP-for-$349 "news" is just fanboi-fueled rumor.

-- Z.

[max 330 mega]

Sony please send down thunder on all nintendo fanboys.
i am not a nintendo fan boy, if im a fan boy of anything, it would be SNK. i just dont see why , a new system , that many expect to have problems right from the get go (cd drives breaking etc.) , will be atleast 100 dollars over the tried and true nintendo handheld, and has a shitty game line up is so appealing to people. if i had it my way, the two main competitors in handheld game would be the newest atari lynx and neogeo pocket, so dont try and say im kissing nintendo's ass. im just pointing out that there seems to be alot of red flags in my mind, as to why this thing isnt very appealing. :hmm:

"Shitty game line-up"? You can accuse the PSP of having too many portable iterations of established PS1/PS2 franchises, but those games certainly aren't shitty. Ape Escape, Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear Acid, Need for Speed Underground, and Bust-a-Move (to name a few) are not shitty.

Also, as pointed out elsewhere, the DS isn't tried-and-true. Perhaps you're referring to the GBA--but neither Sony nor Nintendo considers the GBA and the PSP to be competing with each other. Nintendo itself compared the GBA to the PS2 (?!) at its fanboi-filled E3 press conference.

-- Z.
the only game on that whole list of psp titles that in anyway would appeal to me would be bust a move, and if i wanted to play bust a move on the ds i could just import the newest release of it for the gba from japan.

by tried and true, i did mean gba, which i know nintendo is saying the ds is not a replacement for the gba, but it is a new handheld by nintendo, and with all the experience they have with handhelds under there belt, they will not screw this up.
i think the ds line up is much more interesting than the psp, and this is coming from someone who owns both a gamecube and ps2. i like both the playstation 2 and gamcube for there unique titles so im not a total sony hater, but the price and lack of games that appeal to me for the psp line up arent doing much to win my favor to buy one.
just my opinion, dont take it too seriously .

[zmweasel]

That's right up there with the Nintendojo fanboi talking to Shigeru Miyamoto in undecipherable "Japanese" as the most freakish moment in E3 history.

-- Z.

Oh please, please elaborate. :D

It happened at Nintendo's 2001 E3 conference. As described by one attendee:

"This loser boy from Nintendojo tried to ask Shigeru Miyamoto a question in Japanese. However, his fan boy Japanese and pronounciation was SO awful none of the Japanese people had ANY idea of what he was asking, so they made him ask it in English. Sit down, and stay down, you jerky."

Another account:

"At the press conference today, many things were revealed to a stunned crowd. One of these was the scope of how lame Nintendojo actually is. After the show was over, there was a Q & A session with Mr. Miyamoto, open to all. First up to bat: An unknown Nintendojo staffer wearing a karate kid headband. He opened his mouth and things were all downhill. His whole question was spoken in Japanese. All of a sudden, a burst of laughter erupts from the Japanese panel on stage, because they couldn't understand a damn word he'd just said. The question, which was something along the lines of 'How do you like working at Nintendo?' had to be repeated in English, as to be properly translated by a pro. Needless to say, the staffer was thoroughly humiliated. Maybe this will teach the Dojo to never, ever try anything like that ever again."

Here's a picture of the burst of laughter, which probably didn't faze the fanboi since he's been laughed at every day of his life:

http://www.nintendorks.com/media/pressconf-laughingatdojo.jpg

(I think the guy second-from-left is indicating the size of the fanboi's schlong.)

E3 started cracking down on fanbois in 2002 by making it harder for website peeps to get in. Coincidence? Doubtful.

The irony, of course, is that Nintendo's 2004 E3 conference was PACKED with fanbois, most of them invited by Nintendo itself.

-- Z.

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[zmweasel]

Sony please send down thunder on all nintendo fanboys.
i am not a nintendo fan boy, if im a fan boy of anything, it would be SNK. i just dont see why , a new system , that many expect to have problems right from the get go (cd drives breaking etc.) , will be atleast 100 dollars over the tried and true nintendo handheld, and has a shitty game line up is so appealing to people. if i had it my way, the two main competitors in handheld game would be the newest atari lynx and neogeo pocket, so dont try and say im kissing nintendo's ass. im just pointing out that there seems to be alot of red flags in my mind, as to why this thing isnt very appealing. :hmm:

"Shitty game line-up"? You can accuse the PSP of having too many portable iterations of established PS1/PS2 franchises, but those games certainly aren't shitty. Ape Escape, Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear Acid, Need for Speed Underground, and Bust-a-Move (to name a few) are not shitty.

Also, as pointed out elsewhere, the DS isn't tried-and-true. Perhaps you're referring to the GBA--but neither Sony nor Nintendo considers the GBA and the PSP to be competing with each other. Nintendo itself compared the GBA to the PS2 (?!) at its fanboi-filled E3 press conference.

-- Z.
the only game on that whole list of psp titles that in anyway would appeal to me would be bust a move, and if i wanted to play bust a move on the ds i could just import the newest release of it for the gba from japan.

by tried and true, i did mean gba, which i know nintendo is saying the ds is not a replacement for the gba, but it is a new handheld by nintendo, and with all the experience they have with handhelds under there belt, they will not screw this up.
i think the ds line up is much more interesting than the psp, and this is coming from someone who owns both a gamecube and ps2. i like both the playstation 2 and gamcube for there unique titles so im not a total sony hater, but the price and lack of games that appeal to me for the psp line up arent doing much to win my favor to buy one.
just my opinion, dont take it too seriously .

I don't have a problem with you declaring that the PSP lineup doesn't appeal to you. I don't understand WHY it doesn't, but whatever. I do have a problem with you labeling the PSP lineup as "shitty" when it's filled with franchises that have been warmly received by consumers and critics. Unoriginal, yes. Derivative, yes. Shitty, no.

And no company is infallible. Nintendo has the Virtual Boy, Sony has the PSX (the Japanese PS3 testbed), etc. Hell, it's only recently that Nintendo avoided a major screw-up by redesigning the DS to look like a PDA instead of a Game and Watch.

-- Z.

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[LiquidX01]

My one sentence started alot of controversy lol im so proud!

You are easily amused...Are you like 12??? :roll:

BTW, 161 posts in 2 weeks, Busy arent we?

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[RCM]

max 330 mega wrote:
zmweasel wrote:
max 330 mega wrote:
Neonsolid wrote:
Sony please send down thunder on all nintendo fanboys.

i am not a nintendo fan boy, if im a fan boy of anything, it would be SNK. i just dont see why , a new system , that many expect to have problems right from the get go (cd drives breaking etc.) , will be atleast 100 dollars over the tried and true nintendo handheld, and has a shitty game line up is so appealing to people. if i had it my way, the two main competitors in handheld game would be the newest atari lynx and neogeo pocket, so dont try and say im kissing nintendo's ass. im just pointing out that there seems to be alot of red flags in my mind, as to why this thing isnt very appealing. :hmm:


"Shitty game line-up"? You can accuse the PSP of having too many portable iterations of established PS1/PS2 franchises, but those games certainly aren't shitty. Ape Escape, Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear Acid, Need for Speed Underground, and Bust-a-Move (to name a few) are not shitty.

Also, as pointed out elsewhere, the DS isn't tried-and-true. Perhaps you're referring to the GBA--but neither Sony nor Nintendo considers the GBA and the PSP to be competing with each other. Nintendo itself compared the GBA to the PS2 (?!) at its fanboi-filled E3 press conference.

-- Z.

the only game on that whole list of psp titles that in anyway would appeal to me would be bust a move, and if i wanted to play bust a move on the ds i could just import the newest release of it for the gba from japan.

by tried and true, i did mean gba, which i know nintendo is saying the ds is not a replacement for the gba, but it is a new handheld by nintendo, and with all the experience they have with handhelds under there belt, they will not screw this up.
i think the ds line up is much more interesting than the psp, and this is coming from someone who owns both a gamecube and ps2. i like both the playstation 2 and gamcube for there unique titles so im not a total sony hater, but the price and lack of games that appeal to me for the psp line up arent doing much to win my favor to buy one.
just my opinion, dont take it too seriously .


I don't have a problem with you declaring that the PSP lineup doesn't appeal to you. I don't understand WHY it doesn't, but whatever. I do have a problem with you labeling the PSP lineup as "shitty" when it's filled with franchises that have been warmly received by consumers and critics. Unoriginal, yes. Derivative, yes. Shitty, no.

And no company is infallible. Nintendo has the Virtual Boy, Sony has the PSX (the Japanese PS3 testbed), etc. Hell, it's only recently that Nintendo avoided a major screw-up by redesigning the DS to look like a PDA instead of a Game and Watch.

-- Z.

Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form? I highly doubt it. Before you fellas start debating if the lineup for either system is shitty or not try playing the completed games. That always helps in forming valid opinions.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[hydr0x]

mh well

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/pma/194

[thehistorian]

mh well

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/pma/194

Umm yeah I mentioned this in another thread last week...
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=426219&highlight=#426219

[OldSchoolGamer]

Well anyway, regardless of launch price I will get the Nintendo DS first. Only because it's backward compatible with GB Advance but even more because Sony doesn't have a great track record with introductory hardware, think of PS1 qnd PS2 as an example, I will wait till a new revision or two on the Sony PSP so by that time it will probably be more dependable and the price may have dropped a little due to pressure of competition. Lastly if I wait more selections will be available for the PSP as well we'll have a better indication of how it's doing and where it's going...............................

[Predatorxs]

Holy sh#t who's gunna pay that? @_@ for the PSP? Sony have lost the plot.

If that stays as the launch price! Ouuuch! i feel for all you Sony fans that had your hart on buying the PSP start savin now, i guess :eek 2:

http://www.xs.dsl.pipex.com/avator/ms_ufo.gif..XS

[zmweasel]

max 330 mega wrote:
zmweasel wrote:
max 330 mega wrote:
Neonsolid wrote:
Sony please send down thunder on all nintendo fanboys.

i am not a nintendo fan boy, if im a fan boy of anything, it would be SNK. i just dont see why , a new system , that many expect to have problems right from the get go (cd drives breaking etc.) , will be atleast 100 dollars over the tried and true nintendo handheld, and has a shitty game line up is so appealing to people. if i had it my way, the two main competitors in handheld game would be the newest atari lynx and neogeo pocket, so dont try and say im kissing nintendo's ass. im just pointing out that there seems to be alot of red flags in my mind, as to why this thing isnt very appealing. :hmm:


"Shitty game line-up"? You can accuse the PSP of having too many portable iterations of established PS1/PS2 franchises, but those games certainly aren't shitty. Ape Escape, Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear Acid, Need for Speed Underground, and Bust-a-Move (to name a few) are not shitty.

Also, as pointed out elsewhere, the DS isn't tried-and-true. Perhaps you're referring to the GBA--but neither Sony nor Nintendo considers the GBA and the PSP to be competing with each other. Nintendo itself compared the GBA to the PS2 (?!) at its fanboi-filled E3 press conference.

-- Z.

the only game on that whole list of psp titles that in anyway would appeal to me would be bust a move, and if i wanted to play bust a move on the ds i could just import the newest release of it for the gba from japan.

by tried and true, i did mean gba, which i know nintendo is saying the ds is not a replacement for the gba, but it is a new handheld by nintendo, and with all the experience they have with handhelds under there belt, they will not screw this up.
i think the ds line up is much more interesting than the psp, and this is coming from someone who owns both a gamecube and ps2. i like both the playstation 2 and gamcube for there unique titles so im not a total sony hater, but the price and lack of games that appeal to me for the psp line up arent doing much to win my favor to buy one.
just my opinion, dont take it too seriously .


I don't have a problem with you declaring that the PSP lineup doesn't appeal to you. I don't understand WHY it doesn't, but whatever. I do have a problem with you labeling the PSP lineup as "shitty" when it's filled with franchises that have been warmly received by consumers and critics. Unoriginal, yes. Derivative, yes. Shitty, no.

And no company is infallible. Nintendo has the Virtual Boy, Sony has the PSX (the Japanese PS3 testbed), etc. Hell, it's only recently that Nintendo avoided a major screw-up by redesigning the DS to look like a PDA instead of a Game and Watch.

-- Z.

Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form? I highly doubt it. Before you fellas start debating if the lineup for either system is shitty or not try playing the completed games. That always helps in forming valid opinions.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Were you at E3 and Tokyo Game Show, Rob? No? Didn't think so. Just because you're helping out with the East Coast Gaming Expo doesn't make you an industry insider.

And we're not just debating the quality of the games themselves, but the quality of the IPs for each handheld. Both have a plethora of triple-A franchises, which makes this War even more interesting.

-- Z.

[rbudrick]

Yeah, I just saw that... bad move on Sony's part to announce this now methinks. . . we all know the DS is cooler anyways.

Smooth, Querjerk...caught ya tho...

-Rob

[Hep038]

You know until I read this thread, I could care less about either system. But after watching Nintendo supporters call their friends "idiots" for buying games they like and quoting a site called www.CGadvanced.com as a source for unbias information, you have turned me to the dark side. I mean your friend goes out and buys a Sports game and this makes him a idiot? But I guess he would be a Hardcore eXXtreme999 gamer if he bought a Game Cube and Animal Crossing. You guys hate the PSP so much but love the DS. But you know what? if sony was not making the PSP you would only have your SP to play with. With your new Urban champion game that cost 25$ at Best Buy. I really hope the DS is a suscess because this board would become unbareable with all the crying and whining about how sony has started the end of the world.

Now I feel dirty after typing that response, I have just been shoved into the sony fan club by all the nintendo boys.

[RCM]

RCM wrote:
Quote:
max 330 mega wrote:
zmweasel wrote:
max 330 mega wrote:
Neonsolid wrote:
Sony please send down thunder on all nintendo fanboys.

i am not a nintendo fan boy, if im a fan boy of anything, it would be SNK. i just dont see why , a new system , that many expect to have problems right from the get go (cd drives breaking etc.) , will be atleast 100 dollars over the tried and true nintendo handheld, and has a shitty game line up is so appealing to people. if i had it my way, the two main competitors in handheld game would be the newest atari lynx and neogeo pocket, so dont try and say im kissing nintendo's ass. im just pointing out that there seems to be alot of red flags in my mind, as to why this thing isnt very appealing. :hmm:


"Shitty game line-up"? You can accuse the PSP of having too many portable iterations of established PS1/PS2 franchises, but those games certainly aren't shitty. Ape Escape, Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear Acid, Need for Speed Underground, and Bust-a-Move (to name a few) are not shitty.

Also, as pointed out elsewhere, the DS isn't tried-and-true. Perhaps you're referring to the GBA--but neither Sony nor Nintendo considers the GBA and the PSP to be competing with each other. Nintendo itself compared the GBA to the PS2 (?!) at its fanboi-filled E3 press conference.

-- Z.

the only game on that whole list of psp titles that in anyway would appeal to me would be bust a move, and if i wanted to play bust a move on the ds i could just import the newest release of it for the gba from japan.

by tried and true, i did mean gba, which i know nintendo is saying the ds is not a replacement for the gba, but it is a new handheld by nintendo, and with all the experience they have with handhelds under there belt, they will not screw this up.
i think the ds line up is much more interesting than the psp, and this is coming from someone who owns both a gamecube and ps2. i like both the playstation 2 and gamcube for there unique titles so im not a total sony hater, but the price and lack of games that appeal to me for the psp line up arent doing much to win my favor to buy one.
just my opinion, dont take it too seriously .


I don't have a problem with you declaring that the PSP lineup doesn't appeal to you. I don't understand WHY it doesn't, but whatever. I do have a problem with you labeling the PSP lineup as "shitty" when it's filled with franchises that have been warmly received by consumers and critics. Unoriginal, yes. Derivative, yes. Shitty, no.

And no company is infallible. Nintendo has the Virtual Boy, Sony has the PSX (the Japanese PS3 testbed), etc. Hell, it's only recently that Nintendo avoided a major screw-up by redesigning the DS to look like a PDA instead of a Game and Watch.

-- Z.


Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form? I highly doubt it. Before you fellas start debating if the lineup for either system is shitty or not try playing the completed games. That always helps in forming valid opinions.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM


Were you at E3 and Tokyo Game Show, Rob? No? Didn't think so. Just because you're helping out with the East Coast Gaming Expo doesn't make you an industry insider.

And we're not just debating the quality of the games themselves, but the quality of the IPs for each handheld. Both have a plethora of triple-A franchises, which makes this War even more interesting.

-- Z.

I never claimed to be an industry insider. If I did make it to this years events would that qualify me as being an insider? That's what you seem to be insinuating. I guess a lot of Suncoast and EB employees are "industry insiders" by your definition if you merely have to show up. Laughable comments as usual. Keep em coming.

You weren't debating/discussing about the "shitty game line-up?" It looks like it to me. By dubbing a title "shitty" or "not shitty" you def. are commenting on the quality. When you refer to a game as being shitty (or not being shitty) what do you mean by it then?

You or Max 330 Mega never answered my question. Here it is again:


Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form?

I will answer for you both. No.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[zmweasel]

I never claimed to be an industry insider. If I did make it to this years events would that qualify me as being an insider? That's what you seem to be insinuating. I guess a lot of Suncoast and EB employees are "industry insiders" by your definition if you merely have to show up. Laughable comments as usual. Keep em coming.

You weren't debating/discussing about the "shitty game line-up?" It looks like it to me. By dubbing a title "shitty" or "not shitty" you def. are commenting on the quality. When you refer to a game as being shitty (or not being shitty) what do you mean by it then?

You or Max 330 Mega never answered my question. Here it is again:


Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form?

I will answer for you both. No.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

You don't know what I have and haven't played, Rob, and don't you fucking "answer" anything for me.

I'm implying that you think of yourself as far more knowledgeable and important than you are. Your .sig alone indicates your powerful need to inflate your own ego.

When I'm writing a review, I take gameplay into account. When I'm discussing games on a meta level, I take everything into account, including the strength of the IP and the publisher. By either definition, the majority of the PSP's launch titles are not "shitty."

-- Z.

[jerkov]

As for Nintendo's next console, who knows when we'll see it and what it'll launch at, and why do you think it'll have any effect on the DS/PSP Wars? Nintendo has already proven it can take a drubbing in the console market and still thrive in the portable world. (Sony might prove the opposite.)

Uh, the new console won't have an effect on the DS/PSP wars. YOU were the one who said Nintendo would have a difficult time marketing a handeheld that costs 150% more than its console, which is only true until the next Nintendo console comes out (I'm guessing sometime next year). That's the only reason I even brought it up.

[zmweasel]

As for Nintendo's next console, who knows when we'll see it and what it'll launch at, and why do you think it'll have any effect on the DS/PSP Wars? Nintendo has already proven it can take a drubbing in the console market and still thrive in the portable world. (Sony might prove the opposite.)

Uh, the new console won't have an effect on the DS/PSP wars. YOU were the one who said Nintendo would have a difficult time marketing a handeheld that costs 150% more than its console, which is only true until the next Nintendo console comes out (I'm guessing sometime next year). That's the only reason I even brought it up.

Yes, I said Nintendo would have some difficulty in marketing a new handheld more expensive than its current home console and handheld. That marketing challenge will somewhat change if/when Nintendo ships a successor to the GameCube (which won't ship in '05), but I was discussing the present, not the future.

-- Z.

[jerkov]

Yes, I said Nintendo would have some difficulty in marketing a new handheld more expensive than its current home console and handheld. That marketing challenge will somewhat change if/when Nintendo ships a successor to the GameCube (which won't ship in '05), but I was discussing the present, not the future.

Well, as you mentioned, the Gamecube is a third place console, so I don't see how it would have a big effect on how Nintendo is going to market its new handheld. Look at this way: how many GBAs has Nintendo sold compared to GC sales? The GC is not going to be a factor in how Nintendo handles the DS. They are going to market the DS as a more advanced handheld, the successor (even though they won't admit it yet) to the GBA, so of course it's going to retail for a sum significantly more than the current price point of the GBA SP.

[zmweasel]

Yes, I said Nintendo would have some difficulty in marketing a new handheld more expensive than its current home console and handheld. That marketing challenge will somewhat change if/when Nintendo ships a successor to the GameCube (which won't ship in '05), but I was discussing the present, not the future.

Well, as you mentioned, the Gamecube is a third place console, so I don't see how it would have a big effect on how Nintendo is going to market its new handheld. Look at this way: how many GBAs has Nintendo sold compared to GC sales? The GC is not going to be a factor in how Nintendo handles the DS. They are going to market the DS as a more advanced handheld, the successor (even though they won't admit it yet) to the GBA, so of course it's going to retail for a sum significantly more than the current price point of the GBA SP.

I think we're debating about nothing. I totally agree with you that the DS will be primarily marketed as an advanced/grown-up handheld, and that it will eventually be labeled as the official successor to the GBA (as if the GBA slot doesn't give that away), and that it has to retail for more than the GBA due to its more powerful tech. These are all obvious points.

But there's no precedent for a game company selling a handheld system that costs so much more (in terms of dollars or percentage) than its home console, and that presents a marketing challenge for Nintendo and Sony.

-- Z.

[suppafly]

350?? Theres no way im buying a PSP! The MOST I´d pay is 199... :o

[jerkov]

But there's no precedent for a game company selling a handheld system that costs so much more (in terms of dollars or percentage) than its home console, and that presents a marketing challenge for Nintendo and Sony.

Well, when you think of it like that, you're right. There hasn't been anything quite like this in the history of videogames. However, both PS2 and GC are in their twilight years, so the whole "handheld being more expensive than the home console" will be a temporary (yet, most likely, still lengthy) period of time. I'd have to imagine Sony and Nintendo will be launching their new consoles in 2005/2006, so a year is a significant timeframe, but lets face it, these consoles are old news at this point.

We'll see what the PSP retails for........I'm also betting that $350 is bullshit, but I don't see how it could be less than $250-300, which I think it is too high for this segment. I think $149 is a fair price for the DS; even though it is less powerful than the PSP, it has a lot of cool features and some interesting gameplay possibilities (now it's up to the developers to take advantage of them!).

[Mitch_Naz]

Damn took awhile to read this thread but we all know if the psp is around 3 bills - than Nintendo is going to win this battle. The PSP is looking good.. I have to admit but im sure the price point is around $250-$299 atleast and whats up with all these added features like the mp3 and movie thing (N-gage maybe ?), The DS is all about gaming and here november just in time for the hoildays with a more than decent price tag of $149 and im sure with a good launch line up as well (mostly likey Mario 64x4 etc). Just think about it, Nintendo has owned the portable market and I dont see them losing it anytime time soon, I think the DS appeals to everyone here - Who doesnt like nintendo games and the mere fact that it is very innovative, good price, buildt in picochat and metroid prime demo with nintendo fully supporting this platform and actually giving us north americans the privilege of getting this console first is something to consider. Call me a fanboi all you will but this is just my opinion and all my money is on DS --I just cant wait to get my hands on one this hoilday season 8-)

[Crush Crawfish]

Wow, that was a long thread. Anyway, I really try not to be a fanboy when it comes to anything other than capcom, who i will follow to the ends of the earth. So when It comes right down to the system I'm gonna buy, it's only the games that matter. So i look at the upcoming games for the PSP and DS, and decide which one has more games I want.

The only games PSP has that really interest me at the moment are Ape Escape, Darkstalkers, and Dynasty warriors. Nothing that really grabs me.

And then I take a look at the DS and see Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Viewtiful joe, Goemon, animal crossing, and maybe a few more.

Simply put, I'm gonna buy a DS because it has the majority of games I like. I'll evetually get a PSP too, but not right away. I'll wait for the library to beef up and the price to drop. And Is the $350 price confirmed? I think it's a rumour.

Anyway, did anyone else notice that Metal Gear acid is a Strategy card game? That's...odd.

[zmweasel]

And Is the $350 price confirmed? I think it's a rumour.

$350 IS NOT CONFIRMED. It's fanboi-fueled rumor at this point.

-- Z.

[WiseSalesman]

And Is the $350 price confirmed? I think it's a rumour.

$350 IS NOT CONFIRMED. It's fanboi-fueled rumor at this point.

-- Z.

Everytime you call someone a fanboy (and more so when you spell it with an "i") my body is racked with belly laughs that refuse to subside for minutes at a time.

It happens a lot.

[RCM]

RCM wrote:
I never claimed to be an industry insider. If I did make it to this years events would that qualify me as being an insider? That's what you seem to be insinuating. I guess a lot of Suncoast and EB employees are "industry insiders" by your definition if you merely have to show up. Laughable comments as usual. Keep em coming.

You weren't debating/discussing about the "shitty game line-up?" It looks like it to me. By dubbing a title "shitty" or "not shitty" you def. are commenting on the quality. When you refer to a game as being shitty (or not being shitty) what do you mean by it then?

You or Max 330 Mega never answered my question. Here it is again:

Quote:
Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form?


I will answer for you both. No.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM


You don't know what I have and haven't played, Rob, and don't you fucking "answer" anything for me.

I'm implying that you think of yourself as far more knowledgeable and important than you are. Your .sig alone indicates your powerful need to inflate your own ego.

When I'm writing a review, I take gameplay into account. When I'm discussing games on a meta level, I take everything into account, including the strength of the IP and the publisher. By either definition, the majority of the PSP's launch titles are not "shitty."

-- Z.

Struck a nerve with you huh? Ha. You're right, I don't know exactly what you've played, but i am willing to bet that you havent played complete DS or PSP launch titles. You haven't, face up to it. Answer the question yourself if you don't like my "fucking" answer. Quit being so evasive. If i'm wrong tell me, I can admit it if I am.

You can attack me all you like. Please do more if you feel the need. DOn't worry, I won't threaten to go to the mods as you've done to others in the past. You have no idea who I am or how big my ego is. Just as you feel the need time and time again to point out faults on the forum I will point out yours and anyone elses that I see. You unlike most on the board are never willing to admit when you're wrong. That's why you're fun.

I am not debating the quality or lack of quality of the PSP and DS launch titles. All I was merely pointing out to both you and Max 330 Mega was that you shouldnt debate the quality of the titles until you've played them all in final form regardless of publishers or IPs. The launch lineups havent been finalized yet, so why even waste your time debating about things that arent worth it yet?

Keep it coming Z.

THE ALL KNOWING, ALL IMPORTANT, #1 VIDEOGAME GUY - Zach Meston.

wait a second, that's not my tag! Let me try again...

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

That's the one!

[ubersaurus]

I want to know how anyone could call a concept like Metal Gear Acid a smart one.

When I think stealth action, I don't think another fucking card game. How many do we NEED? One was too many.

[Lost Monkey]

$350 is too much... Shit, like, I could buy 2 1/3 DS's with that cash.

[ManciGames]

Sony, Nintendo's soon-to-be handheld gaming rival, has officially released the price point of their debut into the handheld industry, the PlayStation Portable. Mentioned at the Tokyo Game Show and confirmed by GameSpot, Sony has officially announced a price of $349.99 for the handheld.


Hey Meston, remember that bet you wanted to make regarding the PS3 price point? I'm ready to take some of that action...

[RCM]

Perkar wrote:

Sony, Nintendo's soon-to-be handheld gaming rival, has officially released the price point of their debut into the handheld industry, the PlayStation Portable. Mentioned at the Tokyo Game Show and confirmed by GameSpot, Sony has officially announced a price of $349.99 for the handheld.



Hey Meston, remember that bet you wanted to make regarding the PS3 price point? I'm ready to take some of that action...

Where on Gamespot does it say that the price point is official? Link please!!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[classicb]

Perkar wrote:

Sony, Nintendo's soon-to-be handheld gaming rival, has officially released the price point of their debut into the handheld industry, the PlayStation Portable. Mentioned at the Tokyo Game Show and confirmed by GameSpot, Sony has officially announced a price of $349.99 for the handheld.



Hey Meston, remember that bet you wanted to make regarding the PS3 price point? I'm ready to take some of that action...

Where on Gamespot does it say that the price point is official? Link please!!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

it doesn't in fact all I found is this link

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/28/news_6109050.html

looks like good news for nintendo though

[RCM]

it doesn't in fact all I found is this link

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/28/news_6109050.html

looks like good news for nintendo though

Yeah, i saw that story. I don't know where Perkar saw that on Gamespot.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM[/quote]

[RCM]

it doesn't in fact all I found is this link

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/28/news_6109050.html

looks like good news for nintendo though

Yeah, i saw that story. I don't know where Perkar saw that on Gamespot.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[izret101]

It was officially released in Japan at 33,00 yen or approx 316 USD.
Couldnt cut and paste from this site so heres a link.
www.portagame.com

[Ed Oscuro]

Cool quote of the day, next news item:


"Back when video games were becoming trendy, we could try making different types of them," Funamizu told Yomiuri when explaining his departure from Capcom. "But nowadays, there are rules of success that companies need to follow in order to avoid risks. We have lost the freedom to make the games we want. I wanted to make my own games without having to follow the modern methods."
-Noritaka Funamizu, Craft & Meister

[Perkar]

the post had originally said it was "official" and then about a 1/2 hour later that was changed to "unofficial"

[Raedon]

Uhh.. is Duke Nukem Forever out yet?? *looks around*


*Walks away*

[zmweasel]

RCM wrote:
I never claimed to be an industry insider. If I did make it to this years events would that qualify me as being an insider? That's what you seem to be insinuating. I guess a lot of Suncoast and EB employees are "industry insiders" by your definition if you merely have to show up. Laughable comments as usual. Keep em coming.

You weren't debating/discussing about the "shitty game line-up?" It looks like it to me. By dubbing a title "shitty" or "not shitty" you def. are commenting on the quality. When you refer to a game as being shitty (or not being shitty) what do you mean by it then?

You or Max 330 Mega never answered my question. Here it is again:

Quote:
Have either one of you played the lineup for either system (DS, PSP) in their complete form?


I will answer for you both. No.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM


You don't know what I have and haven't played, Rob, and don't you fucking "answer" anything for me.

I'm implying that you think of yourself as far more knowledgeable and important than you are. Your .sig alone indicates your powerful need to inflate your own ego.

When I'm writing a review, I take gameplay into account. When I'm discussing games on a meta level, I take everything into account, including the strength of the IP and the publisher. By either definition, the majority of the PSP's launch titles are not "shitty."

-- Z.

Struck a nerve with you huh? Ha. You're right, I don't know exactly what you've played, but i am willing to bet that you havent played complete DS or PSP launch titles. You haven't, face up to it. Answer the question yourself if you don't like my "fucking" answer. Quit being so evasive. If i'm wrong tell me, I can admit it if I am.

You can attack me all you like. Please do more if you feel the need. DOn't worry, I won't threaten to go to the mods as you've done to others in the past. You have no idea who I am or how big my ego is. Just as you feel the need time and time again to point out faults on the forum I will point out yours and anyone elses that I see. You unlike most on the board are never willing to admit when you're wrong. That's why you're fun.

I am not debating the quality or lack of quality of the PSP and DS launch titles. All I was merely pointing out to both you and Max 330 Mega was that you shouldnt debate the quality of the titles until you've played them all in final form regardless of publishers or IPs. The launch lineups havent been finalized yet, so why even waste your time debating about things that arent worth it yet?

Keep it coming Z.

THE ALL KNOWING, ALL IMPORTANT, #1 VIDEOGAME GUY - Zach Meston.

wait a second, that's not my tag! Let me try again...

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

That's the one!

I've never said and would never say I'm "all knowing" [sic] or "all important" [sic]. I certainly know more about video games and the video game industry than you, however. Not bragging, not attacking, just fact. I've been at this on a professional level for 15 years and counting, which means I've been doing this since before you grew your two pubes.

I was ready to ask the mods to ban myself, Jaysen, or both because Jaysen was jumping into every thread I posted in, for the sole purpose of continuing a sad little feud which I had long since dropped. Seeing as he's using my name on his website to sell his leftover copies of Manci Games, I would assume he's since dropped it as well.

It's safe to speculate that your ego is a sizable one because your .sig is all caps, and bombastically describes you as "THE ONE, THE ONLY" (although I would suspect there's at least one more Rob Faraldi in this great wide world). Perhaps your .sig is intended as parody, or meant to poke fun at yourself, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I've admitted to errors in this forum on multiple occasions. Why you mistakenly think otherwise, I cannot say.

The launch lineups haven't been finalized, but more than enough titles have been announced for both platforms to comment upon. We debate these things because they're interesting and they're going to have a considerable impact on what we play in the present and the future.

I don't think you're fun. I think you're a complete asshole and a heartless bastard, as confirmed by the post in which you described how you laughed at the blind girl in the PBS documentary.

And, no, I'm not going to be promoting ECGX in Video Game Collector. At least until you're no longer involved with it.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

Sony, Nintendo's soon-to-be handheld gaming rival, has officially released the price point of their debut into the handheld industry, the PlayStation Portable. Mentioned at the Tokyo Game Show and confirmed by GameSpot, Sony has officially announced a price of $349.99 for the handheld.


Hey Meston, remember that bet you wanted to make regarding the PS3 price point? I'm ready to take some of that action...

Send me a PM to confirm your interest, and I'll get an agreement written up and looked over by my legal counsel. It's too bad I'll have to wait until '06 to collect the $1K, but hey.

-- Z.

[goatdan]

But there's no precedent for a game company selling a handheld system that costs so much more (in terms of dollars or percentage) than its home console, and that presents a marketing challenge for Nintendo and Sony.

My Dell laptop cost approximately twice as much as a Dell workstation with the same size monitor would've cost. It isn't exactly the same thing, but it is very similar. People pay more to get stuff because of the features that it has, and if the companies play up the features, it doesn't matter that the home ones will be cheaper....

Remember -- you have to purchase a TV to play your home console, thus making it at least equal in price to the handhelds.

Just a thought :)

[zmweasel]

But there's no precedent for a game company selling a handheld system that costs so much more (in terms of dollars or percentage) than its home console, and that presents a marketing challenge for Nintendo and Sony.

My Dell laptop cost approximately twice as much as a Dell workstation with the same size monitor would've cost. It isn't exactly the same thing, but it is very similar. People pay more to get stuff because of the features that it has, and if the companies play up the features, it doesn't matter that the home ones will be cheaper....

Remember -- you have to purchase a TV to play your home console, thus making it at least equal in price to the handhelds.

Just a thought :)

You make it sound as if a considerable number of people buying home consoles don't already own a TV. :) What's the % of households with TVs in America? 90-something?

But I understand the point you're making about laptops vs. workstations, and it's a very good one. Handhelds are finally catching up to home consoles in terms of tech, and their price points have to reflect the cost of that miniaturized power (and those self-contained screens).

-- Z.

[farfel]

Most of this stuff will be bought by mommies & daddies who have NO CLUE about technology.

KID: "I want the Sony PSP it plays moves I want it I want"

MOM: "$350???? Scrw that I'm buying the $150 Nintendo DS."

KID: "But mommy...wahhh"

MOM: "Shut up. You'll play DS and like it."



Price matters more to cheap consumers than pretty graphics,.

[thegreatescape]

Price matters more to cheap consumers than pretty graphics,.
The gamecube has both. :P

OMG! i havent added my 2c AU to this discussion, so here it is: both consoles are pretty, the DS is cheaper and has mario, but the PSP has Gran turismo. Gran turismo is the new mario. Both consoles are sadly lacking in new characters/franchises so there really isnt any debate there IMO and it will all come down to how good these rehashes will are.

Wanted: Fatal Fury special for game gear, and/or a cute japanese girlfriend.

[farfel]

Price matters more to cheap consumers than pretty graphics,.The gamecube has both. :P

The Gamecube & other consoles have a more adult audience and more money to spend.

A protable by its nature (playing on the bus, playing in class, playing in the playground) are more kids-oriented and kids don't have $350 to waste on PSP. Their mommies and daddies will buy cheap. They'll buy the $150 DS.

[RCM]

I've never said and would never say I'm "all knowing" [sic] or "all important" [sic]. I certainly know more about video games and the video game industry than you, however. Not bragging, not attacking, just fact. I've been at this on a professional level for 15 years and counting, which means I've been doing this since before you grew your two pubes.

I was ready to ask the mods to ban myself, Jaysen, or both because Jaysen was jumping into every thread I posted in, for the sole purpose of continuing a sad little feud which I had long since dropped. Seeing as he's using my name on his website to sell his leftover copies of Manci Games, I would assume he's since dropped it as well.

It's safe to speculate that your ego is a sizable one because your .sig is all caps, and bombastically describes you as "THE ONE, THE ONLY" (although I would suspect there's at least one more Rob Faraldi in this great wide world). Perhaps your .sig is intended as parody, or meant to poke fun at yourself, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I've admitted to errors in this forum on multiple occasions. Why you mistakenly think otherwise, I cannot say.

The launch lineups haven't been finalized, but more than enough titles have been announced for both platforms to comment upon. We debate these things because they're interesting and they're going to have a considerable impact on what we play in the present and the future.

I don't think you're fun. I think you're a complete asshole and a heartless bastard, as confirmed by the post in which you described how you laughed at the blind girl in the PBS documentary.

And, no, I'm not going to be promoting ECGX in Video Game Collector. At least until you're no longer involved with it.

-- Z.

You have no idea if you know more then I. You take speculation as fact far too often. Every debate we've had you've lost. When I have easily presented fact to your fiction you are still unable to admit defeat. You are far superior then I. Sense the sarcasm.

I'm sure Jaysen has had to print an additional million copies b/c your name is involved.

You're so obssessed with "THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM." It's just a little sign off man. If it pisses you off oh well. Part of it has a meaning and part of it is just shallow fun like you.

You have not admitted mistakes while we have "debated." That's fine you don't have to. Keep thinking you're right, keep thinking you know something Mr. Insider. You're such a big game guy. You sit on a forum for the day answering people's posts. So sorry, didn't want to question the master.

It's too bad you don't like me. I'm like a PSP launch title. You have very little experinence with me but you're still willing to judge as if you did. I wanted to be friends so bad. Please be my friend Zach. RCM is sorry. You are better then me. Ha ha ha.

It's too bad that you won't "promote" the ECGX in your rag. I guess Game Informer will have to do instead. I wonder if it (VGC) will be around for next years show. I haven't had a chance to read it yet so unlike you I won't comment until I have. If it's anything like Videogames magazine or some of the other stuff you've been involved in like those bland reviews on Gamespy it won't. Are you angry with me b/c you can't bully me like you do so many on the board? I don't get the anger but oh well. I've been able to debate with a lot of great and knowledgeable people on the board. Once it's over it's over. I don't hold grudges and it seems they don't either. It's not like that with you. Even the slightest comment toward you is blown up out of proportion.

In all honesty I wish things could be different. Real gamers should stick together b/c we are a dying breed. But you've made it perfectly clear that you do not approve of RCM. That's fine. Carry on Meston, I have to go and cry now.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Jive3D]

take it to another thread boys.

[davidleeroth]

Price matters more to cheap consumers than pretty graphics,.The gamecube has both. :P

The Gamecube & other consoles have a more adult audience and more money to spend.

PSP is actually targeted at "more adult" audience than Gamecube (or Xbox and PS2 if you look at who bought them).

[farfel]

The Gamecube & other consoles have a more adult audience and more money to spend.

A protable by its nature (playing on the bus, playing in class, playing in the playground) are more kids-oriented and kids don't have $350 to waste on PSP. Their mommies and daddies will buy cheap. They'll buy the $150 DS.PSP is actually targeted at "more adult" audience.


Yeah but will adults buy PSP? Sony could target retired people but I don't see grandmas & grandpas playing Grand Theft.

I think Sony is targeting the wrong people 'cause I don't see adults as viable either. - I see portables as mainly a kids' activity because they have tons of free time just sitting around at school or on the bus or in recess.

[Jasoco]

Heh.. I don't see any evidence that Gran Turismo is the "New Mario". That's a really stupid remark.

Besides, there have been many "New Mario"'s over the years. Sonic was one. Some people call Crash Bandicoot one. Wonder Boy.. or is it Alex Kidd? I'll admit, Mario isn't the same as he once was, but you have to admit he has a strong following.

[hydr0x]

Yeah but will adults buy PSP? Sony could target retired people but I don't see grandmas & grandpas playing Grand Theft.

I think Sony is targeting the wrong people 'cause I don't see adults as viable either. - I see portables as mainly a kids' activity because they have tons of free time just sitting around at school or on the bus or in recess.

absolutely true, i just don't see who should buy that thing (yeah, there are always people, i know)

young gamers: way better line-up on DS and lower price tag... no psp
parents: ds is cheaper, has kid-friendly games and is not as easy to destroy, and it has longer battery life ... no psp
teenagers: MIGHT want to play the games like gta on a handheld but most of them already have mp3 portables and just don't have 300 bucks + the typical madden/gta-only gamer often belong into the "i don't care how many scratches my disc has as long as it's not broken"-category and those people would ruin PSP faster than anything else (sony's service people will have their pleasure...) ... some psps
adults: yep, better line-up than ds, price is no question, BUT 95% of the adults do not have ANY time to play a handheld, most are happy if they find enough time to play a console, and there are just no occasions where an adult has time for a handheld but not a console (train? not in the US, bus? no way, school? LOL only thing that remains is on a plane if that's allowed) ... no psps

[calthaer]

Kids will always stay with Nintendo because of the Pokemon series. The real genius of the series is the fact that they are essentially single-player games with small (but essential) multiplayer cooperative AND competetive aspects. Until Sony gets something comparable I doubt they'll be terribly competetive. People like the handhelds not only because they're portable, but because they have great 2D games, have great games period (like Pokemon, Advance Wars, etc.), and are not too hard on the wallet.

The biggest chink in Nintendo's armor at this point is the fact that the GBA is littered with crappy licensed games (pick your poison) and el-cheapo watered-down versions of console games with gimmicky connectivity features (like the Prince of Persia GBA game). Few publishers - if any - seem to really want to throw their hats in the ring and commit the development time and money to the system. They seem to want games that ring in @ under $100k in development costs, which means six-month dev cycles and = slapdash and ho-hum games.

If Sony can beat them on this point and make their system have more quality games than the DS / GBA, then they can win. Seeing their track record with the PS1 / PS2 doesn't instill me with a lot of hope, though.

[Duncan]

Kids will always stay with Nintendo because of the Pokemon series. The real genius of the series is the fact that they are essentially single-player games with small (but essential) multiplayer cooperative AND competetive aspects. Until Sony gets something comparable I doubt they'll be terribly competetive. People like the handhelds not only because they're portable, but because they have great 2D games, have great games period (like Pokemon, Advance Wars, etc.), and are not too hard on the wallet.

The biggest chink in Nintendo's armor at this point is the fact that the GBA is littered with crappy licensed games (pick your poison) and el-cheapo watered-down versions of console games with gimmicky connectivity features (like the Prince of Persia GBA game). Few publishers - if any - seem to really want to throw their hats in the ring and commit the development time and money to the system. They seem to want games that ring in @ under $100k in development costs, which means six-month dev cycles and = slapdash and ho-hum games.

If Sony can beat them on this point and make their system have more quality games than the DS / GBA, then they can win. Seeing their track record with the PS1 / PS2 doesn't instill me with a lot of hope, though.

Excellent analysis, and the most intelligent thing I've seen in the last two pages of this thread. x_x

[classicb]

If Sony can beat them on this point and make their system have more quality games than the DS / GBA, then they can win. Seeing their track record with the PS1 / PS2 doesn't instill me with a lot of hope, though.

I was with you up to here. The PS1/PS2 are two of the most popular systems. What track record are you talking about?

On a side not my little cousin is the target model for the GBA. He loves the Pokemon games but still has all those crap titles because his mom picks out games for him. The only time he gets good games is when I help her pick out games. I think those crap developers depend on the shoping moms and grandmas who know very little about games.

[calthaer]

I'm talking about the signal-to-noise ratio - that is, the number of high-quality games (and the attention that they receive) compared to the number of dumb licensed sequels and other trash.

All systems have trash, but then all systems have some games that are either good or great. Some of that is a matter of preference. The trick is to have enough great / must-have games (signal) to cancel out the noise. Games that would predicate owning the system. In my opinion, Nintendo alone makes enough must-have games to predicate owning their systems - not to mention other great games like Viewtiful Joe (which was at first a GCN-exclusive), the River City Ransom and Double Dragon remakes for the GBA, etc. I compare that with the PS2 - which has some games that I like, but few games that I drool over - and I wonder if they can make the magic happen with the PSP.

The more gems it has, the more desirable the system itself is. If Sony can put more star players in its starting lineup than Nintendo can - enough at least to give people the impression that it is the hizzouse for gaming quality and not a license / sequel brothel - then maybe Wario won't be laughing like a maniac on his way to the bank when it comes to the DS.

But I'm not counting on that happening.

[mhsy2a]

I don't necessarily believe that the Cube puts out enough good titles to warrant owning over a PS2 (this seems to be what your implying). Granted I'm not saying there aren't any good games for the Cube, it just seems that it releases 2 or 3 exclusive, kickass, must own games a year. The PS2 on the other hand, seems like it releases 2 or 3 must own games a month.

As far as PSP vs DS goes, am I the only person that thinks that the PSP is going to have a better software lineup? Games like Gran Turismo, Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Acid, Bust a Move, and Dynasty Warriors all look awesome.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not a Sony fanboy. I own both a PS2 and a Gamecube (as well as an SP). All I'm saying that is as long as Sony and other third party companies continue to put out good titles, don't charge a crazy amount for the PSP (over $250), then it will give Nintendo a serious run for its money in the handheld market.

[zmweasel]

You have no idea if you know more then I. You take speculation as fact far too often. Every debate we've had you've lost. When I have easily presented fact to your fiction you are still unable to admit defeat. You are far superior then I. Sense the sarcasm.

I have every confidence that I know more about every aspect of the video game industry than you do. If I didn't have that confidence and that knowledge, I certainly wouldn't have been doing this on a professional level for as long as I have.

And while I haven't been scoring our debates, I'm certainly not surprised that you would consider yourself the "winner" of each. There are no winners when you're involved.


I'm sure Jaysen has had to print an additional million copies b/c your name is involved.

My presence in Manci Games wasn't hyped at all, but wouldn't have reversed its fortunes in any case. Jaysen has admitted that he knew MG was doomed almost from the start.


You're so obssessed with "THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM." It's just a little sign off man. If it pisses you off oh well. Part of it has a meaning and part of it is just shallow fun like you.

Not obsessed at all. Just pointing out that it's a cry for attention.


You have not admitted mistakes while we have "debated." That's fine you don't have to. Keep thinking you're right, keep thinking you know something Mr. Insider. You're such a big game guy. You sit on a forum for the day answering people's posts. So sorry, didn't want to question the master.

I haven't admitted mistakes while debating you because I haven't made any. I've certainly admitted to errors and mistakes and changes of opinion in other threads. One of the reasons I traffic this forum is to learn.

I'm also in this forum because I like to spark debate by challenging what I consider to be flawed opinions (even if that flawed opinion turns out to be my own), or to play devil's advocate. I contribute the occasional non-shit-stirring post, as well, but I don't post +1s because they're innocuous and even unhealthy. Dittoheads are +1s.


It's too bad you don't like me. I'm like a PSP launch title. You have very little experinence with me but you're still willing to judge as if you did. I wanted to be friends so bad. Please be my friend Zach. RCM is sorry. You are better then me. Ha ha ha.

When I sign NDAs, I can't discuss what I have or haven't played.


It's too bad that you won't "promote" the ECGX in your rag. I guess Game Informer will have to do instead. I wonder if it (VGC) will be around for next years show. I haven't had a chance to read it yet so unlike you I won't comment until I have. If it's anything like Videogames magazine or some of the other stuff you've been involved in like those bland reviews on Gamespy it won't.

I certainly hope that VGC will be around for a while, but I have nothing to do with the advertising, which is how a magazine lives or dies. The response to VGC's editorial voice thus far has been positive, although I'm paying much more attention to the criticism.

I've written dozens of previews and reviews for GameSpy, so you'd need to cite specific examples of what you consider "bland." If you're labeling ALL of them as "bland," there are many GameSpy readers who'd disagree with you (as reflected in their , but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Every magazine and website establishes its own "voice," and most larger websites and magazines, such as GameSpy, tend to have a conservative voice. Not alienating your readers and advertisers is good business. Alienating a person who could lend his support to your fledging expo, no matter how modest that support, is bad business.

As for VideoGames, that magazine's financial woes and crazed editorial mood swings in its final years had nothing to do with me.


Are you angry with me b/c you can't bully me like you do so many on the board? I don't get the anger but oh well. I've been able to debate with a lot of great and knowledgeable people on the board. Once it's over it's over. I don't hold grudges and it seems they don't either. It's not like that with you. Even the slightest comment toward you is blown up out of proportion.

I can't think of a single person in this forum whom I've "bullied," much less "many" people. And I'm not trying to "bully" you, either. I'm just responding to your posts and mirroring the tone of personal insults that you've established. No anger involved.


In all honesty I wish things could be different. Real gamers should stick together b/c we are a dying breed. But you've made it perfectly clear that you do not approve of RCM. That's fine. Carry on Meston, I have to go and cry now.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

I certainly don't approve of you referring to yourself in the third person as if you were an NBA player.

-- Z.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'd just like to say that the reviews on Gamespy are awesome, and from Fargo's crazy "Medieval Total War 0wnz my pepe" style cult-of-personality imbued articles, to Raymond's more subdued pieces - it all fits nicely, and despite the varying styles the general tone is uniform - and likeable. Along with the awesome color scheme and tons of color commentary archived (though sometimes hard to find again), it's pretty hard not to like it.

I like XBN. Game[.]'s Rumor Roundup of YeeHaw Goodness or whatever it's called is pretty authoritative, though I don't like its style so much ("not bogus" = surfer dude-style cop-out!). I like their articles about the history of the industry, particularly the one on The 7th Guest - that has stuck with me.

Rag? Try....um...er...Official PS Mag AUSTRALIA. Editorial quality falls in a whole other class than the occassional unoffensive grammar innovation from GameSpy staff. OPM Aust.'s editorial quality puts it is in a class that is decidedly NOT upwardly mobile (I discovered the hidden Agent Doggett before I came across the text of their "competition!"). All the same, I enjoyed reading it despite some layout blunders. How about many of the me-too sites lapping up rumors and feeding them wholesale to the public? Nintendojo? The Magic Box, which has fed this fellow one too many embarrasing rumors? Nintendo Power?

I don't understand GameSpy bashing - or hatred - for many other good magazines/pro sites.

Love you, RCM, but I remember how you roared onto the DP scene with rather favorable accounting for Panzer Dragoon Saga's print run, which you were looking to sell, and then defended it in the face of considerable criticism as if you brought those numbers down from Mount Sinai.

I'm not mad about that, and I too have let myself fall right into some pretty ridiculous diatribes, but lemme say - I'm damned if I see much going on in your posts besides character assassination.

With Zach, it's easy to do, of course, but man, calm down.

Now, I need me some pie. I just typed all that with one hand you know.

[SoulBlazer]

Considering I spend more time playing PS2 then anything else, I think it's safe to say there WILL be many must have games for the PSP. The question everyone is waiting for right now is the PRICE. The sooner Sony comes out and officialy announces how much and what is being launched with it, the better for them. And it better be around $250 if they want to beat Nintendo at the portable game.

[badinsults]

You heard it here first:

The Sony PSP will retail at $200.


There is no source for this, but I guarentee you that selling it that price is necessary. It is the likely amount that the average person interested in the system will pay. You can keep bickering over silly rumors, but the fact remains, there is no set price, and it certainly won't be $350. This is almost as bad as when the DS was first anounced.

[tholly]

You heard it here first:

The Sony PSP will retail at $200.


There is no source for this, but I guarentee you that selling it that price is necessary. It is the likely amount that the average person interested in the system will pay. You can keep bickering over silly rumors, but the fact remains, there is no set price, and it certainly won't be $350. This is almost as bad as when the DS was first anounced.


im hoping its at $200....that would mean that there is a fairly good chance that i would be getting that along with my DS as an XMas gift.....at $350 there is no chance of me getting it anytime soon

[thegreatescape]

Heh.. I don't see any evidence that Gran Turismo is the "New Mario". That's a really stupid remark.

Look beyond the genre. GT (and MGS, et al) is hip and is something people wouldnt mind being seen playing (its "cool" and popular). Not only that, but it pushes systems the same way mario *used* to. No offence to mario or his fans..

*hides in corner and hopes not to cop it in the ass from mario fans*.

[Jasoco]

IMHO, Gran Turismo is just another racing game. Yeah, I said it. Some people complain that Halo is just another FPS and not a breakthrough. Gran Turismo is just another racing game and not a breakthrough. I'll say it again. GT is NOT a breakthrough, or the "Next" Mario.

Bah. Nuts to Gran Turismo. :roll:

[EnemyZero]

A little late on this topic but anywho, nintendo will still own the handheld market...ESP if the psp is released around 300-350...sony is being a little too overconfident if they do that....

I hope the PSP gets burried, I can't wait for the DS its gonna kick ass and take some names.

Lowest I will see the psp going is 250 because sony is cocky and they can do it. And I hope they do, a smack in the face and a total FAILURE will be perfect for them

[jonjandran]

The N-Gage QD will " RULE THEM ALL " :D

[RCM]

I have every confidence that I know more about every aspect of the video game industry than you do. If I didn't have that confidence and that knowledge, I certainly wouldn't have been doing this on a professional level for as long as I have.

And while I haven't been scoring our debates, I'm certainly not surprised that you would consider yourself the "winner" of each. There are no winners when you're involved.

Really not worth debating anymore. Wasting both of our time on this issue. We both have our clear opinions and have expressed them. If you know so much why aren't at the top of the industry instead of posting on here?


Not obsessed at all. Just pointing out that it's a cry for attention.

It isn't anything like that, but you will believe what you will. How about posting "shit-stirring" comments nearly all the time as you admitted? Now who is crying for attention? Not I.


I haven't admitted mistakes while debating you because I haven't made any. I've certainly admitted to errors and mistakes and changes of opinion in other threads. One of the reasons I traffic this forum is to learn.

I'm also in this forum because I like to spark debate by challenging what I consider to be flawed opinions (even if that flawed opinion turns out to be my own), or to play devil's advocate. I contribute the occasional non-shit-stirring post, as well, but I don't post +1s because they're innocuous and even unhealthy. Dittoheads are +1s.

If you don't think so oh well. You have. I haven't been keeping score that well, but I wouldn't debate if I knew I was wrong. Playing the "great white father" role isnt needed here.


When I sign NDAs, I can't discuss what I have or haven't played.

I understand that. While you were ripping me you seemed to fail to realize that the launch titles were not selected and are incomplete (esp. in the case of the PSP). I don't know the terms of your NDA, but those to points prove that you haven't played the full lineup of complete DS or PSP titles.


I certainly hope that VGC will be around for a while, but I have nothing to do with the advertising, which is how a magazine lives or dies. The response to VGC's editorial voice thus far has been positive, although I'm paying much more attention to the criticism.

I've written dozens of previews and reviews for GameSpy, so you'd need to cite specific examples of what you consider "bland." If you're labeling ALL of them as "bland," there are many GameSpy readers who'd disagree with you (as reflected in their , but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Every magazine and website establishes its own "voice," and most larger websites and magazines, such as GameSpy, tend to have a conservative voice. Not alienating your readers and advertisers is good business. Alienating a person who could lend his support to your fledging expo, no matter how modest that support, is bad business.

As for VideoGames, that magazine's financial woes and crazed editorial mood swings in its final years had nothing to do with me.

I haven't read VGC yet. So no comment there. I wish you luck on it though. As for your Gamespy stuff, everything I've read is bland. But to be fair, everything on the site ive encountered is. If you haven't noticed, I could care less what anybody agrees with or not. My opinion is the only one that truly concerns me on matters in this context (preference of game reviews/previews etc.). As for the ECGX, I agree that every little bit helps. That's why I asked if you wanted to cover it. Your coverage works both ways if the subject matter is interesting enough. If you don't want to cover it b/c of a personal thing with me that's fine. You're welcome to change your mind and cover it. The first show was a lot of fun and it was always nice that a major rag recognized us.


I can't think of a single person in this forum whom I've "bullied," much less "many" people. And I'm not trying to "bully" you, either. I'm just responding to your posts and mirroring the tone of personal insults that you've established. No anger involved.

You make it sound as if I came out of the gates saying you were a fuckhead. I believe the first time it got personal when you asked me what I thought of you or something to that effect. I answered. If you don't want to use the term "bully" then lets use "overly forceful." I'm not going to ask people to stand up and take the heat by agreeing.


I certainly don't approve of you referring to yourself in the third person as if you were an NBA player.

The only thing RCM and an NBA player has in common is the 3rd person speak. RCM isn't going to lose that.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM