[PS1] PAL Rarity List (UPDATED 06-19-2006!!!!!)

[AtariBuff]

thanks for the link.

Sorry, it was Tinsair mentioning "Grande Fratello" first ;)

[tinsair]

Yeah I found it on some Italian shopping site, wasn't positive about it's release, but obviously it must now exist as AtariBuff ordered a copy!

[The_EniGma]

well heres my list.. all are PAL,english and other details are ntoed by them

Game name SL number Rls disk number

Alien resurrection SLES 02193 original
Alien trilogy SLES 00101# plat case
Breath of fire III SLES 01304 original 2disk
Command & Conquer SLES 00530 plat 2disk
C&C Red alert SLES 00949/10949 ea classics 2disk
C&C Retaliation SLES 01343 original
Checkmate SLES 02917 original
Die hard trilogy 2:Viva las vegas SLES 02746 original
Dino crisis 1 SLES 02207 original 2disk
Driver 2 SLES 02993 Original 3disk
Final fantasy VII SCES 00867 original 2disk
Metal gear solid SLES 01370 plat
Quake II SLES 01534 original
Resident evil 1 SLES 00200 virgin white label
Tenchu stealth assasins SLES 01374 original
Vandal hearts 1 SLES 00204 original
Viva football SLES 00761 original
warzone 2100 SLES 00937 original


original/whatever is the release of it, eg platinum original etc etc

hope this helps

[The_EniGma]

thanks for the info.

i added an previously unknown 2-game pack to the database

"Wer wird Millionär / Wer wird Millionär: 2. Edition"

which i bought at a local flea yesterday. At the moment no english counterpart is known of.

I think that may be: who wants to be a millionaire / 2 although im not 100% sure by the looks it might be

[tinsair]

We know it's Who Wants to be a Millionaire? but what we are trying to establish is if that double pack was released elsewhere like UK, Spain & France etc. or if it was just a German speaking countries release.

[The_EniGma]

I know in the UK they were released seperatly IIRC.

[AtariBuff]

@Enigma
thanks for your data.
Are you sure you have a Breath of Fire II and a Dino Crisis 1 with 2 cd's each?

[AtariBuff]

Yeah I found it on some Italian shopping site, wasn't positive about it's release, but obviously it must now exist as AtariBuff ordered a copy! lemme give you the price for being a "master detective" :D

I also found "Grande Fratello" on a few shopping sites after Tinsair's discovery but no way to order it from there (my italian is loosy BTW) - i tried mailing them but got no response. A few days ago a copy surfaced on eBay Italy and after a quick correspondence the game was mine on paper. It really will be exciting when I hold this one in my hands a few days from now.
I'm vacationing in Italy later this year and will keep an eye open there if I find it regularely in stores.

[tinsair]

I bet that's the only copy you will see on ebay for months.

[The_EniGma]

Ataribuff now that i look at it i screwed up that data, ill fix it tomorrow but now i need sleep *yawns*

[AtariBuff]

Ataribuff now that i look at it i screwed up that data, ill fix it tomorrow but now i need sleep *yawns* no problem, we have pretty solid data and knowledge so it's not likely that we add (false) information unchecked ;)

[The_EniGma]

Alien resurrection SLES 02193 original
Alien trilogy SLES 00101# plat case (for soem reason :?)
Breath of fire III SLES 01304 original
Command & Conquer SLES 00530 plat 2disk
C&C Red alert SLES 00949/10949 ea classics value 2disk
C&C Retaliation SLES 01343 original 2disk
Checkmate SLES 02917 original
Die hard trilogy 2:Viva las vegas SLES 02746 original
Dino crisis 1 SLES 02207 original 1DISK ;)
Driver 2 SLES 02993 Original 2disk
Final fantasy VII SCES 00867 original 3disk
Metal gear solid SLES 01370 plat 2disk
Quake II SLES 01534 original
Resident evil 1 SLES 00200 virgin white label
Tenchu stealth assasins SLES 01374 original
Vandal hearts 1 SLES 00204 original
Viva football SLES 00761 original
warzone 2100 SLES 00937 original

There fixed it, or it should be. Anymore wrong data please inform me.

-EniGma

[AtariBuff]

Thanks, EniGma - will check ASAP :)

[sharp]

The games I currently had near me with productnumber. All are orginal version, although if I'm right platinum, white label and other rereleases had the same number as the original release.

Strikers 1945 II - SLES-03510
Need for Speed: Road Challenge - SLES-01788
Street Fighter Collection - SLES-00998
Speedball 2100 - SLES-02782
Pocket Fighter - SLES-01378
Grand Theft Auto: London Special Edition - SLES-03389
Harvest Moon: Back To Nature - SLES-02781
Magical Drop III - SLES-02964
V-Rally 2 Championship Edition - SLES-01907
V-Ball: Beach Volley Heroes - SLES-00846
Namco Museum 4 - SCES-00701
Formula 1 '98 - SLES-01421
Breath of Fire III - SLES-01304
Capcom Generation 1-4 - SLES-01881
Tempest X3 - SLES-00316
Jade Cocoon: Story of the Tamamaya - SLES-02201
Ridge Racer - SCES-00001
Namco Tennis Smash Court - SCES-00263
Dune - SLES-02247
Super Pang Collection - SLES-00043
Return Fire - SLES-00177
Pop n' Pop - SLES-01971
R-Types - SLES-01355
Puchi Carat - SLES-02070 (Limited edition with Retro Controller has no special product number)

Hope this helps a bit.

[tinsair]

All PAL PlayStation re-releases had the same SLES/SCES part #.

[AtariBuff]

Folks, the latest release of the PS1 PAL database has been sent to Joe. 1425 different releases (without any re-releases) @_@ :D :D :D

The updated version should be online as soon as Joe has the time to upload it. We have plenty of new data added, so enjoy you PAL collectors ;)

[AtariBuff]

Does someone know where to get sales/release charts for PS1 PAL games??? We would be very interested to get our hands on these as it would have some impact on rarity.

[hydr0x]

Does someone know where to get sales/release charts for PS1 PAL games??? We would be very interested to get our hands on these as it would have some impact on rarity.

do you mean sales numbers, release dates or both?? release dates: check the file i send our finnish friend (davidleeroth) a few month back, it contains release dates, although some of them may have been postponed, an earlier release is very unlikely though, other than that, check mags from back then

for sales numbers: i'll try my best and see if i can get the MM numbers, although those would only be >=1996

[AtariBuff]

just sales numbers, we have all known release dates added.

that would be great, hydr0x :-P

[The_EniGma]

My latest finds, both non platinum originals.

Xevious 3D/G+ : SCES 00736
Legend of Legaia : SCES 01752

:D

[AtariBuff]

@Nick
we only need SLES/SCES numbers now for games listed in the other thread opened by Tinsair.
We have them for ALL other english releases (check the DP Online rarity Guide) - there are still some french/german/dutch/italian country variations missing but we're also narrowing these down . ;)

[AtariBuff]

@Tinsair
many thanks for the rarities/values up to 200 - I'm with you on nearly all of your recommendations. please feel free to send me the next list when you have some spare time :D :D :D (shameless plug) :D :D :D

[tinsair]

I'll start the next one right away! and send it as soon as I finish it (even if some rarity/pricing info is missing) this time :).

[The_EniGma]

@Nick
we only need SLES/SCES numbers now for games listed in the other thread opened by Tinsair.
We have them for ALL other english releases (check the DP Online rarity Guide) - there are still some french/german/dutch/italian country variations missing but we're also narrowing these down . ;)

Ok, nice :) I'll try looking for the ones in that thread then.

[robotriot]

I've got a request - can you PS1 experts here confirm if the following PAL games (usually) fetch more than €10 on ebay? :)

http://omr.planet-d.net/trash/ps1_pal.txt

[yok-dfa]

I've got a request - can you PS1 experts here confirm if the following PAL games (usually) fetch more than €10 on ebay? :)

Nope. I've paid EUR 9.- for my copy of Diablo on eBay and i've seen them go cheaper (even as low as EUR 5,- for a complete game. I paid more because the copy i got was in perfect condition). Same goes for Alundra and Time Crisis: Project Titan. All the other titles i don't know. Except for the Bomberman game, which always seems to go for a lot (but bomberman 0wnz big time)

But i wouldn't consider myself an PS1 expert though...

[AtariBuff]

there are several games that bring definitely maybe more then a tenner ;)

Azure Dreams, Bomberman (NOT White Label re-release), Bubble Bobble & Rainbow Islands (just to state the first three)

If you have those for sale please send me a PM ;)

[robotriot]

Nope, I don't have them. To be honest, I'm just interested in making a profit, because our local gamestore has quite a selection of PS1 games all for 9.99, and I don't think they have much of a clue which games could be sold for more and which don't, so I'll watch out if any of the games on the list appear in their store ;) Yes I'm a bad boy *goes to sit in a corner*

[AtariBuff]

ok, bad boy, when you start your auctions give me a holler, will you? ;)

[AtariBuff]

So, back from vacation :) :(
time to start working :D

Wing Over is listed being "Packaged with a "Directory of planes" chart" - there are 28 different planes printed on the back of the front inlay - is that the beformenioned chart? If so, then no need to mention it in the guide as it's not a seperate sheet/booklet/whatever ;)

[tinsair]

No the game has a seperate sheet that unfolds with planes & info on it :).

[AtariBuff]

damn, then mine is incomplete :D

[tinsair]

I never knew the game came with this until I purchased a copy about 5 months back and it had the chart in there, so I guess I was lucky!

[AtariBuff]

I guess I'm lucky then that my Vib Ribbon had the "moves poster" included :D

I got a few Press Kits lately (Crash Bandicoot 3, Ace Combat 3,...) and they have pretty nice promo stuff included. What I do look for is the T-shirt which was included with the Metal Gear Solid Limited Edition. If someone is willing to part...

[AtariBuff]

folks, I will be on vacation in Italy from thursday till the 17th of July. Catch ya later :D 8-) 8-) 8-)

[AtariBuff]

can anyone of you PAL guys confirm that

Johnny Bazookatone (SLES 00112) really came packaged with a Music-CD?

[AtariBuff]

added game # 1426:
Schnappi das kleine Krokodil: 3 Fun-Games SLES 04177

may there be released much, much more :D

I delete the Johnny Bazookatone MUSIC-CD extra as no one can confirm it for the PAL release. Seeing is believing.

[tinsair]

I know that the Saturn version of Johnny Bazookatone came with a music CD, but I dunno about PS version :hmm:

[AtariBuff]

Folks, I have updated www.mintinthebox.info with 2 games: Formula 1 '97 Limited Edition and Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped - Press Kit. Enjoy :D

[tinsair]

I have yet to see Dual Masters: Sempai Legends (Konami), Shoot (Phoenix Games) and Kids Playground (Phoenix Games). Have they been released or scrapped?

What do you think AtariBuff, have you had trouble finding these games too?

[hydr0x]

yeah haven't seen Sempai Legends too, you should call/mail EB Games and ask them about it, i know they advertised it "back then"

[AtariBuff]

I have none of the three but I'm in contact because of Shoot & Kids Playground already. ;)

[davidleeroth]

Atari published Sempai Legends for GBA but I don't see anything about PS version on their site.
Haven't seen the other two either but gotta love Phoenix for all that crap they keep pushing out. LOL

[AtariBuff]

Has ANYONE ever seen Destructo (by Phoenix) on a website or on ebay. I think it was mentioned on some other Phoenix's games backcover but I for my part believe that it was NEVER released.

[davidleeroth]

Nope. I've had Destructo on my favorite searches in eBay forever but only getting e-mails for Destructo 2. But even the Phoenix's page talks about Destructo and shows the pic of the D2's cover.

[AtariBuff]

Thought so. If no one can prove the existance of this title anytime soon it will be deleted and given "rumor mill" status.

[AtariBuff]

The same goes for SPACE RIDER. I will also contact my source inside Phoenix for more details. Looks like Shoot was indeed released in July but I have to wait for the official statement. Kids Playground is still not officially available (August).

@Hydr0x
did you hear something about the "Shoot" release by Phoenix?

[hydr0x]

nope, but i've been on holiday since a week so that doesn't mean shit. We usually don't carry Phoenix PSOne games though :( i'll check when i come back (around august 19th). I'm attending this years Games Convention on Business Day (likely), if i stumble across an Atari guy i'll ask about Sempai LOL

[AtariBuff]

Sempai is listed on Amazon.co.uk and states a delivery between 1 to 2 weeks. I ordered it and see what happens :evil:

[tinsair]

Has ANYONE ever seen Destructo (by Phoenix) on a website or on ebay. I think it was mentioned on some other Phoenix's games backcover but I for my part believe that it was NEVER released.


I have not seen this game either maybe they thought about releasing it then scrapped it without taking it off their site.

[AtariBuff]

Has ANYONE ever seen Destructo (by Phoenix) on a website or on ebay. I think it was mentioned on some other Phoenix's games backcover but I for my part believe that it was NEVER released.


I have not seen this game either maybe they thought about releasing it then scrapped it without taking it off their site.
that's all we needed - Tins, will you delete it in the "part-numbers wanted" thread? I will delete it in the database - we can always add it later if it really surfaces.

There is also an UPDATE on www.mintinthebox.info thanks to Turkkas scans :) Please check it out :D 8-)

[AtariBuff]

Friends, what about SPACE RIDER (as mentioned above) - I think it got axed too. Has anyone seen this game in the wild???????

[tinsair]

I assume Space Rider has gone the same way as Destructo, I'll remove both of them from the part # thread AtariBuff.

[AtariBuff]

@Tinsair and DLR

I assume the same goes for SUPERBIKE MASTERS which also hasn't surfaced yet except a mention on another games' back cover. what do you guys think?

[tinsair]

Yeah I think your right AtariBuff I'll remove Superbike Masters from the part # thread too :).

Also I have not seen Robin Hood: The Siege or Silent Iron either have any of you guys seen them?

[hydr0x]

i have seen a Robin Hood game late in the systems life, not sure if it's that one though

[AtariBuff]

I could swear I have seen Robin Hood: The Siege either locally or on eBay - let's give this one a little bit more time.

SIlent Iron is released for sure - I have seen it quite a few times but always forgot to note the SLES # :embarrassed: - next time :D

[tinsair]

Ok Robin Hood must exist because thats the only Robin Hood game on PS1.

[tinsair]

Found the release date for Rayman Junior: Level 3 :D

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/data/580261.html

[AtariBuff]

thanks for this one. I think Aqua Pacific is the developer also for Part 3.

[AtariBuff]

ok, three games deleted off the masterlist - added Help Charity Compilation - we now have 1424 different PAL releases to date.

Robin Hood does exist, Silent Iron does exist but seems to be ULTRArare (very limited printrun).

[tinsair]

Like the new look of your site AtariBuff 8-)

[AtariBuff]

Like the new look of your site AtariBuff 8-) thanks, Tins :D - we'll be getting there.
You are very welcome to contribute to the games section ;) ;) ;)

[robotriot]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=29443

The umlaut here got lost in translation it seems ;) Should be "für" of course.

Also, the Broken Sword games should have their "aka" fields filled with the French and German titles so that they're searchable, right now you can only search by the English title.

The publisher field got cut off here: http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=29474

[AtariBuff]

when i would have to decide alone, ALL rumor mill titles for PAL PS1 would get the axe since i'm ***very*** sure that not one of them got released. i know that there was working beta code for Molineux's Light & Dark but thats it.

We will add the info to the Broken Sword series - thanks for pointing this out.

The publisher field got cut off by DP's Joe himself because it won't fit in the printed version of the guide else.

Overall many thanks for your findings - it's good to see people care about the work :)

[anagrama]

when i would have to decide alone, ALL rumor mill titles for PAL PS1 would get the axe since i'm ***very*** sure that not one of them got released. i know that there was working beta code for Molineux's Light & Dark but thats it.

But isn't that exactly what the Rumor Mill is for? Titles that were started, proposed or rumoured but never actually released?

[AtariBuff]

yeah, but what's the purpose when they weren't released for sure??? The rumor was false - puff...
The Rumor Mill should only list games when it's unknown if they saw the light of day. If not, delete it from the Rumor Mill and file it under "someone's wishful thinking".

[anagrama]

yeah, but what's the purpose when they weren't released for sure??? The rumor was false - puff...
The Rumor Mill should only list games when it's unknown if they saw the light of day. If not, delete it from the Rumor Mill and file it under "someone's wishful thinking".

I see what you're saying, but until there's a "wishful thinking" category, the Rumor Mill is the best place for them - just look at the RM entries for any other system. And besides, there's always the hope that there could be unfinished builds or alphas/betas out there somewhere...

[AtariBuff]

yeah, but what's the purpose when they weren't released for sure??? The rumor was false - puff...
The Rumor Mill should only list games when it's unknown if they saw the light of day. If not, delete it from the Rumor Mill and file it under "someone's wishful thinking".

I see what you're saying, but until there's a "wishful thinking" category, the Rumor Mill is the best place for them - just look at the RM entries for any other system. And besides, there's always the hope that there could be betas or protos out there somewhere...

I see what you're saying, but protos that saw the light of day somehow need to be listed in the "Prototype" section not in the RM ;)

As you can see we actually maintain the RM section for the PAL PS1, so all is not lost :) - the error with "Alarm für Cobra" happened when our excel sheet was added/converted into the online guide and the software isn't aware of the existance of öüäÖÜÄ ;)

[anagrama]

Yeah, naturally they should be moved to 'Protos & One-of-a-kinds" if anything does surface, but it's nice to be able to see what *might* still be out there somewhere.
Maybe the problem could best be solved by changing the category title to "Rumor Mill & Pipe-Dreams" or similar?

[hydr0x]

anagrama is right, Rumor Mill IS used for every game that was in dev but wasn't released. What else do you want to fit in there?? there are no actual "rumor" titles, we KNOW what got released and what not, it's not a "release-rumor", but a "proto-rumor" category ;)

[slapdash]

The rumor mill is for anything essentially announced, but not proved to exist in any form. A prototype would get moved, but there has to be proof that the prototype exists.

Harder to decide is when ROMs get out -- does that count as a prototype or not? It obviously exists, but one could make a case that a prototype may not (anymore/in-reality-as-opposed-to-virtuality). Where should we list these?

[anagrama]

Harder to decide is when ROMs get out -- does that count as a prototype or not? It obviously exists, but one could make a case that a prototype may not (anymore/in-reality-as-opposed-to-virtuality). Where should we list these?

I've wondered about that myself - to err on the safe side, I've left them in the Rumor Mill if a proto can't be 100% confirmed.

[AtariBuff]

anagrama is right, Rumor Mill IS used for every game that was in dev but wasn't released. What else do you want to fit in there?? there are no actual "rumor" titles, we KNOW what got released and what not, it's not a "release-rumor", but a "proto-rumor" category ;)

I know that he is right and for what the rumor mill stands but most of the PAL rumor mill games have absolutely no backing that the even WERE under development. Please point me to the article/press release/rumor that "Alarm für Cobra 11" was under development. Anyone?

What I do want to say is that the Rumor Mill has my very least attention as the official PAL releases (still) need a huge amount of time/workforce (with many country variations being added at this time).

Maybe I even can make the announcement of a previously unknown release sometimes next week when all works out :D

[hydr0x]

well, how did you learn about "Alarm für Cobra 11" then if you don't know if it was under dev??? usually the rumor mill stuff comes from previews, ects/e3/gdc/gc/... reports and so on

@rom topic

that's a difficult topic indeed. I have this problem with SNES mainly. Examples are Mr. Tuff, Speedy Gonzales and Corn Buster (talking of PAL here) and they are all different

Mr. Tuff was 100% in dev and very very close to completion, a rom exists, but no proto is known.

Speedy Gonzales was the same, very close to being sold in Europe, but no rom existed. Then suddenly a rom AND proto showed up :)

Corn Buster was 100% in dev, not too close to completion but the devs released a rom. I talked to them, they don't have a proto left but they did send all protos back then to Sunsoft Japan.

what to do here? i'm not sure, Speedy is of course a proto, but the others??