[PS1] PAL Rarity List (UPDATED 06-19-2006!!!!!)

[AtariBuff]

Let's use this thread for creating a Playstation PAL rarity list based on Tinsair's excellent list, my humble collected data and al people who are willing to help.

What we need:
- SLES and SCES numbers of released games
- release information
- all game-specific data
- rumored games
- links where we can dig deeper

I would also like to know with which program the DPG was created to use it on our list.

So, let's begin with our digital archeology :D

[tinsair]

Oh sorry AtariBuff I posted a new topic just above you, I think we will post in here though sorry about that! :( . How do you delete Topics?

Ok, AtariBuff and me are working on a Playstation PAL list. Any help would be great, I think what we need is part numbers and any of the following games proof with a picture of it:

Rumour Mill - So far

A2 Racer
Alarm für Cobra 11
Bass Landing
Beavis and Butthead do Hollywood
Black & White
Brain Dead 13
Burning Road 2
Crazy Chase
Creature Shock
Endorfun
Flying Corps
Hello Kitty's Cube Frenzy
International Championship Soccer
Jewels of the Oracle
Kick Off '97
Little Big Adventure 2: Twinsen's Story
Mech Robots
Medicopter 117
Nascar Racing
NBA Hangtime
NBA in the Zone '99
NHL Open Ice
Plane Crazy
Pro Surfer
Short Fuses
Sign of the Sun
Superman 2000
Zoop


Ok thanx

[AtariBuff]

no problem, my friend 8-)

about the Rumour mill:

it should be "Alarm Für Cobra 11" - a *very* good TV series from Germany about the Autobahn-police :D

[tinsair]

Ok AtariBuff, I shall change that now :)

[davidleeroth]

Not to steal your thunder but I think it would be best to contact Joe before doing anything. The DP lists are made/maintained by someone referred as "experts", that's what makes DP Guide so great.

I'm certainly not saying you're not experts and no, I don't consider myself to be one. I haven't asked what exactly is required either, I've just made an assumption in my little mind that if one achieves the mysterious expert level, people will be in touch. LOL

I do have an ongoing PAL release list project with ~1500 games listed with part numbers and such but it has been only to feed my interest about the subject, I haven't committed to anything.

[AtariBuff]

it would be best to contact Joe before doing anything
we did that already, of course.

I can only speak for my part and I don't consider myself an expert, too. but having contributed (and still do) to the Atari 2600 PAL release list (which is a real pain in the a$$ with the pirated games), helping with the C64 Gamebase 64 project and owing a collection of at about 2000 videogames from the early years till today gives me a little bit of insight and knowledge.


I do have an ongoing PAL release list project with ~1500 games listed with part numbers and such
well, that would make an excellent addition to our material. you are invited to join us :D

[tinsair]

I do have an ongoing PAL release list project with ~1500 games listed with part numbers and such

well, that would make an excellent addition to our material. you are invited to join us :D

Yeah, join us we need all the help we can get! ;)

[tinsair]

Just found Supercross 2001, the picture has not got 2001 in the title but it is for that year by the title design.
So I called it Supercross (2001) on the list AtariBuff :)
http://web.infinito.it/utenti/p/playgame/ARRIVI/22022001/SUPERCROSS200.jpg

[AtariBuff]

Noted and put to the list :)

[davidleeroth]

I feel a bit like an ass but that's not uncommon. :embarrassed:
Anyways, I can provide you the list I have but before I do that, it needs some cleaning as some of the entries and notes don't make sense to anyone else but me (if even that). This would be sometime during the holidays as I will have to study for my tests now.
In the mean time, I think it would be good to get to know each other better and figure out a better communications tool than the board to suit the purpose.


Just found Supercross 2001, the picture has not got 2001 in the title but it is for that year by the title design.
So I called it Supercross (2001) on the list AtariBuff :)
http://web.infinito.it/utenti/p/playgame/ARRIVI/22022001/SUPERCROSS200.jpg

I have it listed under EA Sports Supercross (that's what's on the spine), SLES-03399, EN, Dev: Page 44 Studios, Pub: Electronic Arts, ©2000 Electronic Arts Inc. :)

[kevincure]

For the Dev info, much of it can be taken from the US list. While publishers vary in EU/US, the developer doesn't change, and 60-70% (?) of the EU library was released in the US.

[AtariBuff]

thanks to both of you.

communication will be set up soon ;)

[anagrama]

OK folks, just for you I have meticulously checked every single one of my PSX games and you can find all the details below:

Street Fighter EX Plus [alpha symbol] - SLES 00939 - 1997 - Pub: Virgin - Dev: Capcom


Ah well, that didn't take long ;)

[tinsair]

I have it listed under EA Sports Supercross (that's what's on the spine), SLES-03399, EN, Dev: Page 44 Studios, Pub: Electronic Arts, ©2000 Electronic Arts Inc. :)

Thanx for that title amendment, yeah better communication would be good :)


OK folks, just for you I have meticulously checked every single one of my PSX games and you can find all the details below:

Street Fighter EX Plus [alpha symbol] - SLES 00939 - 1997 - Pub: Virgin - Dev: Capcom


Ah well, that didn't take long ;)

LOL Thanx anagrama

[AtariBuff]

i got the faq's and the database construct from Joe today :)

[tinsair]

Great stuff AtariBuff, things are coming along nicely :)

[AtariBuff]

So now that everyone has each others mail address I suggest to communicate internal stuff that way. I have some spare time at hand till christmas so if I get enough data who knows when the first alpha build will be ready 8-) ;)

[hydr0x]

no problem, my friend 8-)

about the Rumour mill:

it should be "Alarm Für Cobra 11" - a *very* good TV series from Germany about the Autobahn-police :D

the series TOTALLY SUCKS, sorry, but it's utter crap, really

well, back to topic, i alread contributed my Media Markt internal PSX list to davidleeroth a while ago, so he should have that stuff in his list

i made a list of >100 newer psx release a while ago (mainly >2001 releases), almost all 2004 releases in there for germany, i don't know when i will have time to type that in, it would be VERY helpful if you could mail me what you already have to xxxxx so i don't have to type in dozens of things already on the list

my list includes the name as seen on the box, publisher, developer, sles/sces


I would also like to know with which program the DPG was created to use it on our list.


ehhh what are you talking about, don't understand that at all...

oh yeah, i am able to track any upcoming releases for the PSX in Germany as i do work at Media Markt (except possible mail-order-exclusives of course) and i do have ~10 psx games i will post here soon, one question though, do you also include demo discs, promo versions and so on? i've got a promo of Grant Turismo and some demo discs, not many though, i've got a few (maybe a dozen) psx mags around and might be able to check for any rumour mill titles, but of course i need a list of what you have for that too...

[hydr0x]

ok here's what i got:

Demo Disc:

name: euro demo (germany) 03/04-2003
SCED-03905 | 9443728
© 2003 Sony CEE
"DEMO ONLY - NOT FOR RESALE"
contents: no idea, have to check if you need them

Games: (all German releases)

question, do you only need the sces/sles or also the longer number on the spine (usually above the sles, 7 figures long)

Final Fantasy VI - SCES 03828 - © 2002 - Pub: Sony - Dev: Squaresoft
USK: 12 (you need age ratings for the list), includes Final Fantasy X PS2 Demo
Language (box/manual, not in-game): German

Final Fantasy VII - SCES-00869 - © 1997 - Pub: Sony - Dev: Squaresoft
USK: 12, ELSPA: 11
Language: German

Castlevania Chronicles - SLES 03532 - ©2001 - Pub/Dev: Konami
USK: 6, Language: German, incl. Interview with Game Makers

Breath of Fire III - SLES 01320 - ©1998 Pub: Infogrames, Dev: Capcom
USK/ELSPA: All Ages, Language: German

Breath of Fire IV - SLES 03552 - ©2000 Pub/Dev: Capcom
USK: 6, Language: German

Dexter's Laboratory: Mandarks Labor, SLES 03829 ©2001
Pub: BAM! Entertainment, Dev: Red Lemon Studios, Distr: Ubi Soft
USK: All Ages, Language: German

TOCA World Touring Cars - SLES 02572 ©2000, Pub/Dev: Codemasters
USK: All Ages, Language: German

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - SLES 00524 ©1997, Pub/Dev: Konami
USK: 12, ELSPA: 11, SELL (French Rating System): 12
Language: French, German, Dutch, Spanish

Tactical Espionage Action: Metal Gear Solid: Special Missions - SLES-02136
©1999, Pub/Dev: Konami, USK: 16, ELSPA: 15, Language: German
(you need MGS to play this)

Official Rental Versions (have a special sign on front cover)

Gran Turismo: The Real Driving Simulator, SCES 00984 ©1998
Pub/Dev: Sony, USK: ALL Ages, Language: German

[hydr0x]

Ace Combat 2 -SCES 00902 ©1996, Pub/Dev: Namco, Distr.: Sony
USK: ? (can't read it), ELSPA: All Ages, Language: German

ok, another one:

Beatmania (incl. Turntable Peripheral), on the box it's written "DJ Pack 1" don't know if that belongs to the name, SLEH-00021 ©2000
Pub/Dev: Konami (Controller dev by Radica China under license)
USK, ELSPA, SELL: All Ages
Languages: English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Dutch

Game Case inside Box itself has following nr: SLES 02096, everything else is the same

talking of boxsets, some boxsets and other stuff i know exists:

Dschungelbuch ("=Jungle Book) Dance Party (incl. Mat)
recent release: some episode of DDR incl. Mat
Wild 9 Limited Edition (bigger box, no idea what else is different)

btw, most recent release in germany: "Duell Masters - Sempai Legends"
next release i know of: some other Yeti Sports Game

[hydr0x]

ok, i've got a Playstation Games Guide from early 1999, which lists all games released in Germany until then, should be quite accurate, it lists all those games with USK, Dev and Pub, no SLES though, do you need that list? i could make an xls file of it and provide it for you, but as that's already quite a lot of work and a lot of info and i'm able to inform you about any new german releases i might even consider teaming up with you (i wouldn't do any work on rarity and prices though except commenting ones i disagree with as i don't collect PSX and don't know shit about rarity/price usually...)

[hydr0x]

i did the letter "A" to show you how the list would look like:

Name USK Pub Dev
2Xtreme 6 Virgin Point of View
3D Lemmings 0 Psygnosis DMA
actua Golf 0 Softgold Gremlin
actua Golf 2 0 Softgold Gremlin
actua Ice Hockey 0 Softgold Gremlin
actua Soccer Club Edition 0 Softgold Gremlin
adidas Power Soccer 0 Psygnosis Psygnosis
adidas Power Soccer 2 0 Psygnosis Shen
adidas Power Soccer '98 0 Psygnosis Psygnosis
adidas Power Soccer International '97 0 Psygnosis Psygnosis
Agent Armstrong 16 Virgin King of the Jungle
Agile Warrior 18 Virgin Virgin
Air Combat 12 Sony Namco
Air Combat 2 12 Sony Namco
Air Race ? THQ XING
Alien Trilogy 16 Acclaim Probe
All-Star Soccer 0 Eidos Eidos
Alone in the Dark 2 16 Infogrames Infogrames
Alundra 6 Psygnosis Working Design
Andretti Racing 0 Electronic Arts Electronic Arts
Aquanaut's Holiday 0 Sony Artdink
Ark of Time 6 Acclaim Ice/Trecision
Armored Core 12 Sony From Software
Assault Rigs 12 Sony Psygnosis
Atari Collection Vol. 1 6 GT Interactive Williams
Atari Collection Vol. 2 6 GT Interactive Midway
A-Train (A IV Evolution Global) 6 Sony Artdink/Maxis
Auto Destruct 16 Electronic Arts Neurostone
Ayrton Senna Kart Duel 0 Sunsoft Sunsoft
Ayrton Senna Kart Duel 2 0 Laguna Gaps
Azure Dreams 6 Konami KCET

[AtariBuff]

@hydr0x

first of all, many many thanks for your contributions, suggestions and cooperation.

to answer a few of your questions:
- it's always good to know if promo disks were released
- the SLES or SCES number is fine
- i already got my hands on the internal MM release list - it's a great source of information what got released and when (some dates are out of sync though ("1901"))

what we do right now is dig through all the information we have to build a masterlist where all the verified games are listed. Tinsair specifies verified as "seen with my own eyes" which is the only possible approach to get an accurate masterlist.

so, we're accepting any help you could possible give us :)

[hydr0x]

@hydr0x

first of all, many many thanks for your contributions, suggestions and cooperation.


thanks



to answer a few of your questions:
- it's always good to know if promo disks were released
- the SLES or SCES number is fine
- i already got my hands on the internal MM release list - it's a great source of information what got released and when (some dates are out of sync though ("1901"))


i already told david about it but here we go again, those 1901 dates are there because the MM db was changed in 1996 or something like that... so, check what's the oldest "real" date in the MM list and you'll know that every 1901 game was released before that date ;)



what we do right now is dig through all the information we have to build a masterlist where all the verified games are listed. Tinsair specifies verified as "seen with my own eyes" which is the only possible approach to get an accurate masterlist.

so, we're accepting any help you could possible give us :)

yeah i also use the "only proven when seen" rule for my sections. i COULD give you picture proof of all games i gave you details about as i do own them but you know you can trust me ;)

for the Playstation Games Guide list, it should be 100% accurate as they are listing games released before they did the guide, it's not like the reviews of unreleased games in game mags, it's an retrospective on the psx era until 1999 but there could of course always be 1-2 games in there not released, it's unlikely though

i'd say i do type in the list and then you have to proof all of those games on ebay.de, how does that sound?

i've got bad news though, it seems like i have lost the list i made of the newer releases, DAMN :(

i could go out and check the local MM, Expert and Karstadt though, but that would take some time... if i had a print-out of the master list of proven and unproven games though i could go through all stores i know quite quickly and at least prove if some exist and perhaps also collect SLES and pub/dev/© info, maybe even USK ratings

[hydr0x]

oh yeah, i've got picture proof from ebay.de for the following games, don't ask me why i have those pictures ;)

Alundra 2 - Der Beginn einer neuen Legende
Andretti Racing
Bomberman
EA Sports Box-Champions
Civilization II
Croc - Legend of the Gobbos
Dracula Ressurection
Formel 1 '97
Formel 1
Frankreich '98 - Die Fußball-WM
James Pond II - Robocod
Lemmings & Oh No More Lemmings
Lucky Luke
MediEvil 2
Tactical Espionage Action Metal Gear Solid
Mickey's Wild Adventure (is a psx port of Mickey Mania for SNES)
Monopoly
Point Blank
PoyPoy 2
Retro Force
Ridge Racer Revolution
Road Rash 3D
Roland Garros French Open 2001
Spot Goes to Hollywood
Syphon Filter 2
Theme Hospital
Tiny Tank
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Tunnel B1
UEFA Champions League Saison 1998/99

[Parodius]

In 2003 The UK official Playstation magazine had a retrospective of all UK released games.


Don't know how complete or accurate it was but I have it here somewhere.......

[AtariBuff]

@Parodius,
that surely would be a welcomed source. Is there any chance you could scan this article?

@Hydr0x
same question to you as scanning would be a lot faster then typing :D

[hydr0x]

@Hydr0x
same question to you as scanning would be a lot faster then typing :D

eeeeh no, they only listed 3 games per page, i'm pretty sure it's faster to type it than scan it, not to speak of the fact that if i scan it you still need to type it ;)

[hydr0x]

A2 Racer (Holland)


should exist, as should "A2 Racer 2: Stedenrally in Nederland" and "A2 Racer 3: Europa Tour" , see

http://www.nationalegamingforums.nl/index.php?act=ST&f=37&t=4592&

http://oas2000.proxis.be/gate/jabba.sg.s?p_link=A024691&p_mi=7400416

no picture proof yet, you should ask the dutch forum members about it and i'll try to check stores next time i go to holland

[hydr0x]

ok here are pictures of part 2 and 3:

2:

http://static.marktplaats.nl/fotos/software/sony/128394.jpg

yeah, it might be a copy, but you can't copy a game that doesn't exist ;)

3: (top left)

http://static.marktplaats.nl/fotos/software/sony/129549.jpg

[hydr0x]

ok, even more:

part III:
http://images.google.nl/images?q=tbn:srAYpYWcrsMJ:www.topcaratulas.com/caratulas/A2_racer_Iii_Europa_Tour_/psx/imagenes/caratulas_A2_racer_Iii_Europa_Tour_-psx-Trasera.jpg

http://images.google.nl/images?q=tbn:wym3lSVqgjkJ:www.topcaratulas.com/caratulas/A2_racer_Iii_Europa_/psx/imagenes/caratulas_A2_racer_Iii_Europa_-psx-Trasera.jpg

http://images.google.nl/images?q=tbn:CsCnD-1L07cJ:www.planetacaratulas.com/caratulas/A2_racer_Iii_Europa_Tour_/psx/imagenes/caratula_A2_racer_Iii_Europa_Tour_-psx-Cd%25201.jpg

[davidleeroth]

On the basis of the back inserts it seems that A2 Racer: Europa Tour and A2 Racer III: Europa Tour are the same game. I have the games listed with question marks.

I have sent an e-mail to Davilex about the game series hoping some info. It's one of the series I had trouble identifying but maybe they'll lend us a hand.

[hydr0x]

david if you don't get the info you need i could try to contact them in dutch as they are a dutch company ;)

[tinsair]

Ok, thanks Hydr0x :)
A2 Racer definatley exists, as for them pics of A2 Racer 2 & 3 they are edited pics of A2 Racer: Europa Tour which is already on the list as Europe Racer.
But I will add this as the Holland version of Europe Racer in the AKA section.

[hydr0x]

you are right about part 3, but honestly, i don't see any chance part 2 is an photoshop-job with the europe racer cover, it looks different to me, and additionally, why should davilex release part 1 and 3 in holland but not part 2?

[tinsair]

I just had another look at the top left game on that pic Hydr0x and it isn't A2 Racer, it is in fact A2 Racer Europa Tour.

So we are still looking for A2 Racer :(

A2 Racer Europa Tour
http://covers.cdcovers.cc/show.php?name=A2_Racer_pal-front&section=Psx&id=fb1349984238e36f62d41757f3ca0dba&check=d8822eceec8e0dea95d2e5fcf97a98f6

A2 Racer Europa Tour III (FAKE)
http://covers.cdcovers.cc/show.php?name=A2_Racer_3_Europa_Tour_Dutch_pal-front&section=Psx&id=0d7924b741a4c549c1aa8e94b4a55985&check=dcb37d8408381b6520d4ae77b267eabe

So for now if they do exist we are still looking for them three games:

A2 Racer
A2 Racer II
A2 Racer III

Sorry about that.

[hydr0x]

sorry but i don't get it, but the fact your pictures don't work doesn't help ;)

the pictures i linked show two different A2 games, one is "A2 Racer III: Europa Tour", that one clearly is an original legit copy as can be seen on the one pic with the lot, it exists

the other one is "A2 Racer II" (subtitle can't be seen on picture), that one seems to be a bootleg, but who would actually photoshop and fake a cover so it's the WRONG one for his game? i can't see that honestly. there are two possibilities for that one, 1) it's part II with a print out cover, in that case part II exists, 2) it's another part with a part II cover, in that case, well part II has to exist, otherwise he wouldn't have the cover, tell me, if you had a copy of part I or III, would you really make a fake part II cover to fit in there? NO WAY , which leads us to possibility one being true, and thus part II exists (apart from the fact that i can't see a reason why davilex would release part I and part III, but not II)

well, anyway, even if you think II is a fake, III is for real 100%

oh and if you search google for the first parts you'll find that some people have offered those on market places and ebay in the past, just a matter of time until they show up

[davidleeroth]

The A2 Racer III: Europa Tour is fake. It has SLES-00234 (Virtual Pool) listed as catalogue number but the copyright year is 200X. The "III" is just placed on the A2 Racer: Europa Tour cover, it even has the same numbers on the bottom PlayStation part. You can see better pics on cdcovers.cc.

These CD cover sites have a lot of PlayStation forgeries, some better than others. You have to be really careful as PS covers are pretty easy to make. What I actually wanted to know from Davilex is how the A2 Racer is related to the London Racer I & II. Seems to me they're gone a bit crazy about racers. LOL

[hydr0x]

The A2 Racer III: Europa Tour is fake. It has SLES-00234 (Virtual Pool) listed as catalogue number but the copyright year is 200X. The "III" is just placed on the A2 Racer: Europa Tour cover, it even has the same numbers on the bottom PlayStation part. You can see better pics on cdcovers.cc.


i was never talking about the covers i linked, but about this picture

http://static.marktplaats.nl/fotos/software/sony/129549.jpg

but now i know what you're talking about, on that pic there is no "III" on the cover, GOT IT, sorry

[tinsair]

The A2 Racer III: Europa Tour is fake. It has SLES-00234 (Virtual Pool) listed as catalogue number but the copyright year is 200X. The "III" is just placed on the A2 Racer: Europa Tour cover, it even has the same numbers on the bottom PlayStation part. You can see better pics on cdcovers.cc.


i was never talking about the covers i linked, but about this picture

http://static.marktplaats.nl/fotos/software/sony/129549.jpg

but now i know what you're talking about, on that pic there is no "III" on the cover, GOT IT, sorry

That's it you got it now Hydr0x, that's what I meant by we have not got any A2 Racer title yet only Europa Tour (Which is Europe Racer in UK)

[AtariBuff]

just a small update to the Playstation PAL project:

Tinsair is currently working on the list including the release dates after deleting/creating game entries and adding SLES/SCES numbers.

Ataribuff is currently searching for data and is waiting for Tinsair's list to work on it afterwards.

Davidleeroth is currently working on his data and when ready will send it to Tinsair and Ataribuff for verification and Ataribuff will add the data then to the database.

Have a nice weekend :)

[AtariBuff]

the first update in 2005:

thanks to data provided by tinsair and davidleeroth we currently have 1398 different confirmed games in the database, *most* with all needed information. :D

again, thanks goes out to my 2 teammates for making this all possible, the friendly guys from the DP Playstation NTSC project and the DP guys themselves :P

[hydr0x]

just to let you know, along 4 or 5 re-releases from AK-Tronic i saw that a Final Fantasy 9 re-release is scheduled for March and that a NEW Smurfs/Schluempfe game is coming out here in Germany

[AtariBuff]

thanks, hydr0x - will check them out X_x

[Dangerboy]

Hey guys,
Don't forget to give me a linky so I can add it to game-rave's front page.
Gotta show off that work as much as possible!

Jason

[Dangerboy]

Hey guys,
Don't forget to give me a linky so I can add it to game-rave's front page.
Gotta show off that work as much as possible!

Jason

[AtariBuff]

PM sent, Jason :)

[AtariBuff]

time for another update:

first things first: as tinsair pleaded in another thread: we're missing some SLES/SCES numbers - maybe YOU can help out.

kevincure approached me about the TOP 5 most rare PAL PS1 games - feel free to add your opinion.

our database comes along nicely - one of the last things to do in our books is the rarity/dollar values. we keep you posted.

thanks again to my teammates tinsair & davidleeroth :D

[hydr0x]

@atariBuff

what numbers are you missing?

where can i see those top5 rare?? (actually i don't have any idea where to look for your list other than in the rarity guide)

here are the last 3 releases we got into store, all are just re-releases by AK Tronic for 15E each... (so the smurfs game actually ain't new, contrary to what i claimed before)

Beyblade - Let it rip!
SLES-04093
FSK 0
release date: 15.01.05
Pub: Atari Man: Hudson/Takara
EAN: 3,546430-107287

Die Schlümpfe: Auf die Plätze, fertig, los!
SLES-03120
FSK 0
release date: 15.01.05
Pub: Atari Man: A2M
EAN: 4,012160-192156

Sports Superbike 2
SLES-03027
FSK-0
release date: 15.11.04
Pub: Midas Interactive, Man: MereMortals
EAN: 8,713399-012111

we also had a 12-pack of crappy games in a big cube and 2-3 month ago some Dance Dance Revolution episode incl. Mat, i couldn't check details for those though :(

[AtariBuff]

hi hydr0x :)

thanks for your quick response - please see the thread tinsair opened for the missing release numbers.

we don't have our 5 rarest games yet - kula world and castlevania sotn bring top prices on eBay but are they really that rare?

cheers,
Reinhard

[hydr0x]

hi hydr0x :)

thanks for your quick response - please see the thread tinsair opened for the missing release numbers.

we don't have our 5 rarest games yet - kula world and castlevania sotn bring top prices on eBay but are they really that rare?

cheers,
Reinhard

ok thx, don't mix up rarity and price, i have no idea about Kula, but Castlevania SOTN ain't that rare, there's just a high demand for it, i've already seen 7 copies of it in the wild during the last 2 years and i don't have THAT many locations where i look (nearly no fleas) and just look at the publisher, it's a Konami game, no Konami game in the last 10 years is anywhere near really rare...

[AtariBuff]

don't mix up rarity and pricedon't be alarmed - we don't mix that. price and rarity often don't go hand in hand.

the questions is: is there a rare PS1 PAL game (yet)? ;)

Suikoden also commands high prices on eBay but there is always a copy availaible there.

[hydr0x]

don't mix up rarity and pricedon't be alarmed - we don't mix that. price and rarity often don't go hand in hand.

the questions is: is there a rare PS1 PAL game (yet)? ;)


i'm pretty sure there are, but i have no clue which ones ;) i'm not a psx guy at all... maybe some Limited Editions like Wild 9 (although i've seen 3 of those in the wild) but more likely some crap games from small publishers ;)

btw, do you have the Disney Triple Pack on your list, i can't remember which games it has inside (Monster inc? Bugs Life? something like that)

[tinsair]

Yeah we have 2 Disney Triple Packs on our list, but we have put that in the description field of each game that it applies to.

[AtariBuff]

@Tinsair & davidleeroth

nearly the latest release of the PAL list is online now but we are on a little hold at the moment as Joe is going to send me a new database sheet next week (with correct online indexes) - please keep the updates coming and a big thanks to you two :D

[AtariBuff]

folks, another IMPORTANT thing:

as we have many games released under different names (AND different ingame graphics like the title-screen) for various european regions I think it is necessary to make an extra entry in the database for them as I would say they count as individual title. I DON'T mean it for games with their manuals or back covers in different language BUT for games like:

Max Power Racing (english release)
C3 Racing: Car Constructors Championship (german release)

or

Total Drivin' (english release)
M6 Turbo Racing (french release)

or

the Disney stuff which was renamed pretty heavy in Europe.

Of course the references will stay that everybody knows thats the same game under a different name.

What do you guys think? Maybe Joe can give his input aswell.

[anagrama]

In dealing with similar cases on the Mega Drive list (Disney titles again and a few sports games), I've just listed the alternate titles in the 'aka' field, and stuck with English for the main name.

[AtariBuff]

yeah, we also did that BUT I have for example M6 Turbo Racing and NOT the english version Total Drivin'. What shall I do in my online "Have-List"? When I mark Total Drivin' instead (which I don't have) it simply isn't correct. x_x

[tinsair]

I think maybe we should keep the list as it is, if you have M6 Turbo Racing you don't really want Total Drivin'! I have a few titles that have different names in other parts of Europe but I don't want them aswell.

[hydr0x]

if it's an alternate title it doesn't qualify for a 2nd entry, it's the same game, and anyone would consider the collection complete without the 2nd one... this is especially true for the Disney Games, those should never have mutlitple listings, the other examples you mentioned are borderline examples, not 100% sure what to do with those... don't have things like that in the lists i deal with

[AtariBuff]

yeah, these are really borderline examples. let's wait and see how it develops ;)

[hydr0x]

i really can't remember what exactly was up with the A2 Racer games but i just stumbled upon this auction that has an "Autobahn Raser II" inside, but i guess you already had that one on your list...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12016&item=8172049414

[tinsair]

Yeah already got Autobahn Raser II, it's odd they did not make many of the games on the PS1 but plenty were made on the PC at the time :hmm: .

[AtariBuff]

NEW PS1 PAL game added:

Moorhuhn X - SLES 04174
has a publsihing date of 2004 but was released a few days ago

[robotriot]

X as in Metal Slug X? ;) Damn, I can't believe they're still making money off that Moorhuhn franchise :/

[AtariBuff]

yes, Moorhuhn X supports the mouse and a lightgun. will it be the last PAL release for the PS1? ;)

[hydr0x]

lightgun compatible? that's awesome, if i see this one cheap i'll probably pick it up

can anyone tell me what Puchi Carat is worth and how rare it is? i know the limited edition is really rare, but what about the normal one? is it a good game? i'm asking cause i know a store selling it for ~12

[hydr0x]

noticed a small fault today

Street Fighter Collection

Description: A 2-CD set compilation containing "Super Street Fighter II", "Super Street Fighter II: Turbo", and "Street Fighter Alpha 2". Re-released as "White Label" edition 04/06/2001.

it should be "Street Fighter Alpha 2' " or "Street Fighter Alpha 2 Dash"

[AtariBuff]

@hydr0x
i saw Moorhohn X at EUR 15,- today. I think it will be available for a few Euros less in a few weeks.

I wonder how many of these were released??????

[hydr0x]

@hydr0x
i saw Moorhohn X at EUR 15,- today. I think it will be available for a few Euros less in a few weeks.

I wonder how many of these were released??????

no the price will stay the same at 15, it's part of the AK Tronic Pyramid, so the price is fixed

[AtariBuff]

thanks for the info.

i added an previously unknown 2-game pack to the database

"Wer wird Millionär / Wer wird Millionär: 2. Edition"

which i bought at a local flea yesterday. At the moment no english counterpart is known of.

[AtariBuff]

speaking of which, the release quantities for some games would really interest me. but i don't think that publishers will release that information so easily.....

[sharp]

lightgun compatible? that's awesome, if i see this one cheap i'll probably pick it up

can anyone tell me what Puchi Carat is worth and how rare it is? i know the limited edition is really rare, but what about the normal one? is it a good game? i'm asking cause i know a store selling it for ~12

I didn't know the limited edition was rare, I saw them really a lot in the Netherlands and it took a long time before they sold out. A normal copy is not that expensive 10 euros max. Don't know how much the limited edition goes now.

[AtariBuff]

@hydr0x

do you know which games were re-released by AKTronic or can you point me to a site where all are listed?


another update:
I was able to get hold of "Grande Fratello" (italian Big Brother) which should be delivered to me next week. folks, this seems to be a *very* limited release - if you're into collecting all PS1 games make sure to get it asap.
hydr0x, where did you get the info of it being released???

[hydr0x]

@hydr0x

do you know which games were re-released by AKTronic or can you point me to a site where all are listed?


well, i always just checked our MM DB for 15,- games or the actual pyramid, but here's their site

http://www.software-pyramide.com/produkte.asp?web=2&p=0



another update:
I was able to get hold of "Grande Fratello" (italian Big Brother) which should be delivered to me next week. folks, this seems to be a *very* limited release - if you're into collecting all PS1 games make sure to get it asap.
hydr0x, where did you get the info of it being released???

of which game being releases? grande fratello? i never knew that, did i say it??