PSP Malfunction

[Wavelflack]

Irrelevant.

[tholly]

Irrelevant.



how so? ... if a company sells 100 X more systems, there is always the possibility that the problems with the system will be 100 X prevelant

[SoulBlazer]

Here would be more usefull data to dig up:

Number of times 'Repair', 'Defective', 'Broke', and 'non-working' AND 'Sony PlayStation 2' came up in print or online --

Number of time same words AND 'Nintendo GameCube' came up in print or online --

:D

[tholly]

Here would be more usefull data to dig up:

Number of times 'Repair', 'Defective', 'Broke', and 'non-working' AND 'Sony PlayStation 2' came up in print or online --

Number of time same words AND 'Nintendo GameCube' came up in print or online --

:D



then divide all that by the ammount of systems sold ( and note, i am in no way shape or form a sony fanboy, if i would have to pick a company to say im a fanboy for id say nintendo )

[SoulBlazer]

And you'd come up with a MUCH higher ratio of Sony problem systems then Nintendo problem systems, I'd wager a $1000 on it. :D

Microsoft would be somewhere in the middle.

[tholly]

And you'd come up with a MUCH higher ratio of Sony problem systems then Nintendo problem systems, I'd wager a $1000 on it. :D

Microsoft would be somewhere in the middle.

just to argue some more....what if the $149 price tag of the PS2 causes people to repair them, but the smaller $99 price tag of the GC causes people to just buy a new one or switch to a different system

[goatdan]

Nintendo is viewed as the underdog because they're up against "big bad Sony." And you have your facts wrong.

Okay, lets look at these...


The DS, which went on sale before the PSP

By 10 days, yes... but you think that Nintendo has a half-a-million lead in consoles sold only because of that? Looking at your figures, if the two would have gone on sale at the same time and were selling identically to how they have so far (taking the monthly "gains" the PSP made and dividing it by four...), the PSP would've gained about 4,420 consoles sold in sales...

But this was ten days... and the DS has well over half a million more consoles sold in Japan than the PSP so far.

By your figures, the PSP sold 31,179 more consoles last week. Right now, the PSP would have to continue outselling the NDS at that exact same rate for just over 21 weeks in a row.... or about 190.4 straight days to equal the gain that Nintendo got by starting to sell the DS 10 days before it.

Does that make sense?


and without the hardware shortage suffered by Sony,

Nintendo quickly brought another factory on line in China to start producing the system when they knew that hardware was going to be hard to get. Sony didn't. That's their choice, but you're being a fanboy if you state that the hardware shortage couldn't have been avoided by Sony and that is the only reason the DS has had better sales. Sony claimed they had to work on bringing up the PS2 slims numbers...

I'd also like to point out the fact that the DS was selling so quickly that Nintendo asked that online places stop taking preorders within a few days of starting. It happened with the PSP too, but Nintendo had about 2.5 systems ready for sale for every one system that Sony did.


has sold more overall units in Japan.

So you are claiming that the PSP has not sold more units in Japan *only* because the NDS had a ten-day lead and decided to ramp up production?

If that's the case, Sony shot themselves in the foot by not bringing another factory online. Nintendo did it, and that must have been the best move ever because they sold nearly half a million more units in that time. Sony claimed they had to worry about their PS2 slim numbers... Don't you think that a huge company could've afforeded to bring up another factory? If lil' Nintendo did it, surely Sony could've.

To date this year, now that the hardware is available, the PSP has sold just more than a quarter million units. The NDS, which has had hardware more readily available, has sold just under half a million units. They're selling at nearly the same rate now, and the NDS is in the hands of a LOT more people.


The PSP is currently outselling the DS in Japan by a rate of NEARLY 2 PSPs for every one DS.

A one week cycle is not and can not be considered a trend to base such a statement on. I'll give you the month figures to cite a trend -- if you use those number, then the PSP is outselling the NDS at a rate of just slightly over 1.07 PSPs for every one DS.

Big deal.

If you take away the sales from last week and just go by the year, then you are looking at 193,197 PSPs sold to date and 206,696 NDS's sold. Based on that material, the NDS has been outselling the PSP by a ratio of nearly 1.07 NDSs for every one PSP sold.

There is no trend there. One week does not mean that it will continue.


And the PSP has sold more units in Japan in 2005 than the DS.

Yes. The outselling of the 'unpopular' NDS is thanks to last weeks sales is at 17,680.

If everything that you are claiming to be an obvious fact is true, the PSP with the smoothing out of hardware production and the gargantuan amount of demand that it is supposed to have should be outselling the NDS by a heck of a lot more than 1.07 PSPs to every one NDS.

If the numbers were comprable to what the GameCube was selling compared to the PS2, I'd agree with you. Sony is selling just over 81 PS2s for every one GameCube purchased. Yeah, the Cube is the underdog there.

A nearly one to one ratio? I'd give the underdog to the company that sold nearly half-a-million less units in the first three weeks of it's sales.


Link is HERE. (http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm)

My facts line up perfectly with the link you submitted. When you line up _all_ of facts, I'd say that Sony is the underdog. Here's a few other interesting tidbits:

The NDS sold an estimated 230,000 units on launch day LINK (http://wham.canoe.ca/ds/news/2004/12/06/pf-768320.html) - The PSP on the other hand only had 200,000 units ready for it's launch total.

The NDS had already sold 1 million units worldwide before the PSP launched LINK (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57356) - Yeah, the PSP hadn't launched... but gamers weren't saving their money for it either. Sony also claimed that their shortages were to produce more PS2 slimline consoles... again -- why couldn't they have brought another factory online if there was such a demand?

And that third factory? Some Sony fanboys were claiming I made that up. Couresty of C-Net, (http://news.com.com/Nintendo+reacts+to+DS+demand+as+orders+rise/2100-1043_3-5453109.html) and I quote:


if Nintendo can't meet increased demand, Japanese consumers who can't locate a DS when the platforms go on sale Dec. 2 might decide to spend their handheld budget on a Sony PSP instead. Sony's new handheld hits the market in Japan on Dec. 12, just 10 days after the DS.

Hunh.... Nintendo got the idea and Sony didn't...

Oh yes, and lastly just for fun to ensure that I had my facts perfectly right while you were just looking at a small, weeklong window... LINK (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4293)

The NDS has sold 1,547,000 units so far.
The PSP has sold 699,000 units so far.

Based on those figures, overall, the NDS _so far_ has outsold the PSP by a ratio of ~2.21 NDS's sold for every 1 PSP sold.

As the webmaster at that site noted to, and I'll quote:


It's interesting to see that while the PSP beat out the DS by about 30,000 units this past week, 92,000 DS games (in the top 20) were sold and 41,000 PSP games were sold.

Now personally, I'd chalk that up to the fact that there was approximately 2.21 NDS consoles sold for every 1 PSP (you'll note that the software sold is nearly an identical ratio -- ~2.244 NDS games for every 1 PSP game), I would like to point out the odd fact that there were, according to your sites numbers about 74,500 PSP consoles sold last week. That means that for every one PSP console that was sold, the person who purchased it picked up about 0.55 games.

Now, these only take into account the top 20 games, but it seems to be eerily reminscent of when the PS2's best selling software title was "The Matrix." On the other hand, there were approximately two NDS games sold for every console purchased (the exact number is ~2.19, just in case you were wondering).

Those are ALL things that you have to take into account. When you do that, I solidly believe that Sony is the underdog in this fight. If the facts above didn't convince you, then I don't know what will...

[soniko_karuto]

thanks for clearing that up, dan, but we know tolly will come back and try to defend something that was way off topic about 2 pages ago: that the psp is bad designed.

[petewhitley]

Dan, from one sentence you said that was proven to be factually wrong, you built a longwinded argument that is somehow meant to prove that you were originally right? Whatever dude, the PSP is currently outselling the DS, in rebuttal to what you originally wrote, thus proving your facts were wrong. I'm not interested in the rest of your boring argument buddy.

[NESVIDIOT]

@_@
Does it really matter? At the end of the day, we will all play the games we like on the systems we like.
Nintendo will keep on doing what it does, and Sony will keep on doing its thing. And we will buy it up.
Sony had better be careful though, kids are the main game players out there. Especially in the handheld market. But kids don't buy systems- parents do. If the PSP turns out to be like the PS2- with problems, the price tag will deter many parents from buying little "Johhny" a PSP to pack around to school etc, just to have to spend every weekend getting it repaired.
The Gameboy line is tried and true with most parents as a lot of them had it in 1989 when they were still kids. Nintendo does build durable systems.
The repair centers in every major city is simply a convienience and a smart decision by Nintendo to keep their customers happy with quick and reliable service close to home. These repair centers not only service Nintendo, but other products from computer printers and monitors to general electronics, as well as Sega when it still had systems to support on warranty. If these centers only serviced Nintendo they would have gone out of business years ago.
Like I said earlier- Sony is NOT a videogame company- they are an electonics company that saw a good thing in videogames and jumped on the bandwagon. Nintendo IS ONLY a videogame company- who basically kept the whole thing alive through the market crash in the early 80's with innovative ideas like the Game & Watch. Remember, respect your elders.
One day I will own a PSP too, when I can pick one up cheap. But I won't rush out on launch day to get one like I did with the DS. We all have our prioities. I'm sure that there will be games for the PSP that I will have to get- just like PS2 has that I can't get on any other system.
What is funny is how ruffled the PS fan club gets when someone critisizes a Sony system- when us Nintendo fans had to listen to all the abuse after PS came out about how Nintendo is for kids. Kids of all sizes!!! It's never been about how much gore and violence or how much sex a game oozes. Its about how much FUN it is. Even if it has gore sex and violence. Play what you like, but just make sure you play.

[SoulBlazer]

Ever have anything NICE to say, Pete? Never heard of the old saying? :roll:

[spoon]

Just wanted to chime in on a few things.

Wasn't it Nintendo's idea to make the NES non-top loading like it's brother the Famicom? This design resulted in a flawed product. Although,Nintendo is great about their repair service, they had to have known it was bad desing in the end.. This type of thing has happened before. Hell, it is happening with the PS2. It was also happening with the XBox and Thomson drives. It all depends on how you handle this though, which leads into my second set of thoughts..

(Also, before any Fanboys jump down my throat, I know the reasons why Nintendo did it Although this was before the internet, fanboys, Curent one atleast, as they pulled the VG market out of the dumpster. Which was the direct reason the NES was designed the way it was. It was not a toy, but an "Entertainment System.")

One would think that Sony would have tested the shit out of the PSP and made sure it did not have a single bug. I would say that their track record with videogame hardware is OK at best. The Psx had a few overheating problems. The PS2 has had a great deal of problems and continues to see it's share of problems even though the Pstwo has been released. If Sony shipped a bug free unit, I think that would have helped to sway the VG communities views on their hardwear. Instead of saying: Sony, Just deal with it.

[poloplayr]

Somehow, I thought that this forum would be one place where we would be too smart than to believe that big sales numbers equal the best company or best product or whatever way you want to define the best gaming experience.

Most people are morons, and mainstream gamers are no exception, so therefore the correlation between good gaming experience and big numbers, should be the opposite, no? :)

[goatdan]

Dan, from one sentence you said that was proven to be factually wrong, you built a longwinded argument that is somehow meant to prove that you were originally right?

Nothing that I said was wrong. In the past two months (current enough?), the DS has outsold the PSP.


Whatever dude, the PSP is currently outselling the DS, in rebuttal to what you originally wrote, thus proving your facts were wrong. I'm not interested in the rest of your boring argument buddy.

Yeah, as usual when someone that has no argument is presented with one, they duck into the cover of "make fun of the other person to cover it up."

For anyone that read my argument, they all realize that you don't have a response because all that you could spout is Sony fanboy drivel, while my argument _uses facts_ and _makes sense_.

[petewhitley]

Nothing that I said was wrong. In the past two months (current enough?), the DS has outsold the PSP ... For anyone that read my argument, they all realize that you don't have a response because all that you could spout is Sony fanboy drivel, while my argument _uses facts_ and _makes sense_.

Dude, this is my last post, as I have no more responses to someone who obviously can't compute simple math or look at the facts ... But in your original post said, and I quote:


As someone pointed out in a different thread, the DS is outselling the PSP in Japan by a rate of more than 2 DSes for every one PSP. That makes the PSP the underdog.

In 2005 the PSP has outsold the DS in Japan 267,602 to 249,922. HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL DOES THAT MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT CORRECT? Pass me whatever it is you're smoking bud, 'cause they don't sell anything that chronic where I come from. I'm not making fun of you here man, but it's ok to admit you were wrong. You can't argue with numbers like that. The DS is not currently outselling the PSP by a ratio of 2 to 1. CASE CLOSED DAN.

[esquire]

I think this thread has been officially jacked.

[Crazycarl]

to the sell more consoles idea....its not worth it to sony to do it. it ususally coast sony more to put out new systems...espesially a system like psp...so to redo a crap load of them to people who will return them. its just not worth the kick in the cash....they make there money primarily from games...hense y sega got out of the console biz...wasnt worth the time and money...but take it how u want...just my view on it.

[sisko]

I have my PSP preordered, but was still iffy on whether or not I would pick it up. I've had nothing but problems with ANY Sony disc based products, whether it be home, car, or PS2 and have come to the conclusion that Sony sucks when it comes to designing/manufacturing them. I realized this when I preoredered but decided I would just get the warranty to replace the unit WHEN (not if) it goes bad.

However, based on this recent article, I cannot and will not buy a product with a known critical design flaw which Sony chooses to ignore, and then tell their existing loyal customer base to screw off.

I will be rolling my money that I put down on the PSP towards DS games today.

[goatdan]

Dude, this is my last post, as I have no more responses to someone who obviously can't compute simple math or look at the facts ... But in your original post said, and I quote:

You really didn't read my original post, did you? I did a lot of math there to prove my points and back them up.

Instead, you go right into the verbal insults.

You stated before that you aren't a Sony fanboy, but if that is the case why is it that my math threatens you? My math just proves that Sony is the underdog currently, not that their product is inferior or anything like that. I don't even understand why you're worried about that.


In 2005 the PSP has outsold the DS in Japan 267,602 to 249,922. HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL DOES THAT MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT CORRECT?

You quoted the January sales up to January 30th. At this point, the PSP has outsold the DS for two weeks. However, the DS outsold the PSP for the six weeks before that since they were released.

By your numbers above, in 2004 then the DS outsold the PSP by a rate of 1,297,078 to 431,398.

Looking at it from the standpoint of simple economics, the trend so far is that the DS has, in fact, outsold the PSP by a ratio of over two to one.

I'd like to point out that in the January after the PS2 was released, the Sega sold more Dreamcast consoles for two weeks in Japan. Something tells me you weren't on these boards screaming that it was so obvious that Sony was the underdog because of a short-lived trend.


Pass me whatever it is you're smoking bud, 'cause they don't sell anything that chronic where I come from. I'm not making fun of you here man, but it's ok to admit you were wrong.

Ah good. Another insult with the additional "feel free to apologize to me for your error." Funny, my "error" was backed up by a ton of facts, where your posts immediately resort to trying to insult me and present the same one out of context fact.


You can't argue with numbers like that. The DS is not currently outselling the PSP by a ratio of 2 to 1. CASE CLOSED DAN.

Oddly enough, economists do argue numbers like that all the time, and I would bet that you can't find an economist who would site a one-week outselling of another product as a trend.

When the floodwaters are coming, I bet that sand outsells garden dirt... but I wouldn't be so bold as to claim that means that no one ever intends to plant a garden again.

[maxlords]

People also need to understand that this is a "design" defect and not a "manufacturing" defect. If I buy a DS and it has a dead pixel, I can return it and most likely get a new one that won't have the same problem (unless the whole lot was bad for some reason). Now if I return the PSP, they will give me another one with the same problem. It doesn't matter how many I return, the same problem will exist.

Is it me or by making these comments now, is Sony setting US gamers up when it is released stateside? I can see it now, stores refusing to take back PSP's claiming they are all like that due to the design and we have to "deal with it."

This is EXACTLY what will happen. Sony will release a retailer's guide to returns on the PSP and if yours has one of X defects (<5 dead pixels, button failure, etc) then return at store level will not be allowed. That's how they do business.

Simply due to the fact that one of the main two buttons is designed not to work properly, I won't be buying a PSP until there's a hardware revision. I might not even buy one then. They're not affordable IMO and there aren't any games I REALLY want for it. Plus, between the button and the battery life and the UMD launcher, I'm kind of afraid to buy one.

[petewhitley]

Dan, I was gonna post a reply here pointing out all of your erroneous assumptions and just plain untruths, but then I remembered that I promised I wouldn't post again. Doh! We disagree. I believe that the term "currently" in relation to sales figures includes the most recent month. You apparently do not. That's ok, we disagree. Your math doesn't threaten me, but I will admit to being perplexed by your insistance on ignoring both the most recent sales data and the readily accepted definition of the word "currently". Perhaps you're threatened by Sony in some way. Is it coincidental that your storefront website, while including systems up to and including the Dreamcast, does not include any Sony products? Hmm ... Who's playing favorites here? For future reference, being called out on the table for being factually inaccurate does not warrant your accuser the label of "fanboy". Nor does it constitute an insult. Unless of course you're hypersensitive to being called out by random internet geeks who bother to take note of the facts (or lack thereof) behind your claims in postings. We disagree. That's cool. (This isl really my last post in this thread, I promise.)

[soniko_karuto]

hey pete, shut up, if you are not receiving any money from sony, let this damn argument down, just cause you've been prooved wrong, with math, doesn't mean that you are ignorant or an idiot. Believe me, you aren't either of those, but you and dan are going into the fanboy argument way too strong. Like they've said, if it has good games, it will be bought, stop fighting about stupid sales numbers, you are just another sony fanbot who has to reply with arguments about anything that's against sony. Dan just prooved a very good point, did it clearly, and not just looked at one link, he looked at the history of numbers, and that gives us the thruth.

Also if you wanted to just do +1, that's fine, but you can do that on other forum places, much like the offtopic, or the nes board.

Also this thread went down the drain at about the second page, when the fanboyishm started. Just accept it, the psp is badly designed, that's a fact. And a lot of people will say so. Sure, c'mon, go hunt the internet for links where they praise sony like the suckers they are. Hope you get a job a sony repair center, so you see the kind of crap you'll receive in about half a year.

Yeah i'm an ass, drove the thread even further down the road, and i'd liked it if they locked it.

[goatdan]

Dan, I was gonna post a reply here pointing out all of your erroneous assumptions and just plain untruths, but then I remembered that I promised I wouldn't post again. Doh!

Or you don't have any. For the record, I'd rather be done talking about the fact that the PSP is the underdog because it is more or less hijacking the topic of this thread which is about how the PSP has a design flaw in it, which was acknowledged by Sony and is more or less a fact now.


We disagree. I believe that the term "currently" in relation to sales figures includes the most recent month. You apparently do not. That's ok, we disagree.

I used the most recent month in all of my math. I also used the month of December to try to spot trends. Trying to spot a trend with the two systems right now is simple -- the DS has outsold the the PSP by a wide margin so far, and that's about all anyone can assume. Claiming that because the PSP outsold the DS for two weeks out of four in a month does not constute a trend.


Your math doesn't threaten me, but I will admit to being perplexed by your insistance on ignoring both the most recent sales data and the readily accepted definition of the word "currently".

The readily accepted definition of the word "currently" means one week?

Lemme see here:


1. a. Belonging to the present time: current events; current leaders.
b. Being in progress now: current negotiations.

So either I could say that current is at this _exact_ moment, which we don't have the sales figures for (the sales figures are from January. It's February...) or current could be "being in progress now." I'd say that progress could take two months, especially when spotting trends.


Perhaps you're threatened by Sony in some way. Is it coincidental that your storefront website, while including systems up to and including the Dreamcast, does not include any Sony products? Hmm ... Who's playing favorites here?

There is a simple reason for that, and it isn't even relevant to your argument.

We deal in stuff that isn't for sale any more at stores. If we sell a Nintendo product, does Nintendo get anything because it sold? No.

We only carry stuff that isn't readily available in stores now because the prices can flucuate so dramatically. If you walk into a Best Buy, you can buy PS1 games. Do you really think that the GOAT Store can compete with Best Buy on prices? You might also notice that we don't sell _any_ GameBoy stuff (which is arguably a larger exclusion than the PS1, as it has been dead for MUCH longer), nor the GameCube or Xbox. Same reason.

You might have noticed that we also don't deal in Emerson, Action Max, Game.Com, Wonderswan, Neo Geo Pocket or Vectrex stuff either. Those aren't even being sold any more. If you want to point fingers and say that we're playing favorites, pick one of those systems.

On an aside, my Playstation collection is easily my third biggest collection. That doesn't change the number of PSPs sold in Japan, nor does it change the amount of DS console sold in Japan.


For future reference, being called out on the table for being factually inaccurate does not warrant your accuser the label of "fanboy".

It does when it seems that the accuser refuses to read the post that proves me right. If you base everything on Sony rules! and won't look at my facts, um... what am I supposed to think?


Nor does it constitute an insult.

No, but things like this would:


Pass me whatever it is you're smoking bud, 'cause they don't sell anything that chronic where I come from.

And this shows your open mindedness to other ideas:


I'm not interested in the rest of your boring argument buddy.


Unless of course you're hypersensitive to being called out by random internet geeks who bother to take note of the facts (or lack thereof) behind your claims in postings.

You noted one statement and took the word currently to mean from the week of Jan 24 - 30, while anyone looking for trends would look at the not-quite-yet two month history of the DS vs. the PSP. The DS has sold about 800,000 more consoles in Japan in two months. If that isn't current enough for you...

I also will bring back up my Dreamcast point -- after the PS2 came out, the Dreamcast outsold it for one or two weeks. Later that month, Sega announced that they were going to stop manufacturing the console. It seems to me that Sega decided that one week wasn't a trend, and you couldn't base your facts on only that amount of time.


We disagree. That's cool.

I agree that from Jan 24 - 30, the PSP outsold the DS. I went a step further and noted that from Jan 17-30, the PSP also outsold the DS. We don't disagree about that.

You refuse to look at the facts about the other six weeks of the consoles life, where the DS outsold the PSP by HUGE margins. The last two weeks were a drop in the bucket compared to the first six.

Since you apparently disagree and think that the DS is doing so horribly, I think that we do disagree. But there is no way to convince you otherwise.


(This isl really my last post in this thread, I promise.)

Thanks, I guess, but if you care to attempt to use any sort of facts to back up your claim that the PSP has been selling so amazingly much better since the release of it than the NDS, I'd love to hear them. I'd rather not hear about how wrong I am again with no facts to back up your claims, and how you can't post because you "promised not too" but you just had to say once again that you disagreed.

[Graham Mitchell]

I've always found Sony to be very "unfriendly" when it comes to warranty or service. Factory warranty on a new Sony is 90 days. Then good luck fighting with Sony after you've sent your system to their repair center- usually in another city- for which you pay the shipping.
Nintendo has a repair center in almost every major city that you can drive to, they are very easy to deal with and want nothing more than to please you. This is assuming you need warranty service on a Nintendo unit that has a factory 1 year warranty.
I've never had a problem with a Nintendo product or getting one fixed. It makes it easy to decide where to place your loyalties.

Yup, Nintendo's customer service rocks. I'm from Seattle, and I frequently go to Nintendo HQ for repair and parts on my NES and SNES, and they've always been very helpful. They even sold me a refurbished Super Metroid for $20 that they had sitting behind the counter, and gave me and my fiancee' a whole boatload of stickers and pencils LOL . They also e-mailed me numerous technical documents for Nintendo VS systems and chipsets (some of which were in Japanese!) all for free, just because they thought it was neat that I asked about it. Nintendo treats their customers very well, and I really wish that meant something at the point of sale.

[petewhitley]

This is a few days old, but since everyone hates Sony, it's been ignored. Sony confirms PSP controller button problem, offers free repairs. (http://www.techjapan.com/Article900.html) Everyone happy now? Of course not ...

[Graham Mitchell]

This is a few days old, but since everyone hates Sony, it's been ignored. Sony confirms PSP controller button problem, offers free repairs. (http://www.techjapan.com/Article900.html) Everyone happy now? Of course not ...

It wasn't ignored. There was a whole thread about this a couple days ago.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54050

And for the record, I don't hate Sony. PS2 is my fave of the current generation of consoles.

[esquire]

This is a few days old, but since everyone hates Sony, it's been ignored. Sony confirms PSP controller button problem, offers free repairs. (http://www.techjapan.com/Article900.html) Everyone happy now? Of course not ...

No. As indicated in another post, the problem they are offering to correct may be a different problem. Sony is offering to correct PSPs whose square button sticks when depressed and does not return to its default position. This is a manufacturing defect that is present in only like 0.6 percent of all PSPs made.

The problem discussed here is a design defect where the square button is unresponsive due to the fact that it is located too close to the LCD. This is a problem that will be specific to all PSPs. Hence the arrogant remark by Sony about designing the most beautiful thing ever made and someone complaining that the gate is in the wrong location, and that we'll have to deal with it.

[Raedon]

It seems that from now till.. the end of time as long as there are two consoles on the market Fanboys will show up if one blinks.

It also seems that the Fanboys are the ones who call the guy who has a problem with a console a "Fanboy" in some odd hope of making people think better of the product in question by discounting the "Fanboy."

It's all a terrible web of lies.. Lies! *RUNS OFF*