If prices or rarities seem "off", POST THEM HERE

[digitalpress]

First of all, it states quite clearly in the book and in the online guide FAQ:

What we've attempted to do is make a guide that is not only easy to use, but informative for the collector. Each title is listed with pertinent information as well as some notes of interest. The price values and scarcity ratings listed here are to be used just as a GUIDELINE, this is NOT "the Bible". Many titles listed here are more readily available (or scarcer) in some areas than they are in others, and most likely will be found for HIGHER prices on online auctions such as eBay. This listing represents the combined efforts of many of the hobby's top collectors and dealers.

BEFORE POSTING HERE please read our philosophy on rarity ratings and pricing, right here:
http://www.digitpress.com/lists/0_dpguide.htm#dollars

Things change, and as we do try to keep up with all 35,000+ listings in our database, it's impossible to stay on top of everything at all times, so we do hope that using our philosophy you can aid us in pointing out items that are clearly outdated. Please use this thread to do so!

Thanks as always for your support! The database gets better with every scrap of info we get and we really do appreciate it.

[Arcturius]

I know I myself would like some rarity feedback/ideas on the PAL Saturn & XBox stuff too.

[anagrama]

I know I myself would like some rarity feedback/ideas on the PAL Saturn & XBox stuff too.

The PAL Saturn stuff seems pretty spot-on to me, at least everything I've been looking up :) (Got Marvel Super Heroes for a tenner today :) )

[Arcturius]

The PAL Saturn stuff seems pretty spot-on to me, at least everything I've been looking up :) (Got Marvel Super Heroes for a tenner today :) )

Thanks but if there any you come across that you don't agree with feel free to pester me about 'em.

[Richter Belmount]

Yeah I think the dungeon explorer 2(r8) rarity is off I mean I see it like 2 times a month on ebay when I see keio flying squad for sega cd a r6 like only 4 times a year.

[k8track]

*Meekly steps up to the microphone, taps on it* "Is this thing on?"

Well, the book and the online rarity guide lists the PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 2 at a rarity of 1 and Volumes 4 and 5 at a rarity of 2, with prices listed at $5 for all. I think they're quite a bit rarer and pricier than that; I've only seen two Volume 2's and one each of Volumes 4 and 5 in all my collecting and travels (all of which I snapped right up). I don't find them to be the least bit common.

Also, should there be separate listings for Volumes 1 and 3 to distinguish between the original packaging and the Greatest Hits packaging? I've only seen the original Volume 1 once and never have I seen the original Volume 3 (I'm still looking for this one!).

(This is just what I've observed from travelling to brick and mortar stores and not online.)

[Kid Ice]

*Meekly steps up to the microphone, taps on it* "Is this thing on?"

Well, the book and the online rarity guide lists the PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 2 at a rarity of 1 and Volumes 4 and 5 at a rarity of 2, with prices listed at $5 for all. I think they're quite a bit rarer and pricier than that; I've only seen two Volume 2's and one each of Volumes 4 and 5 in all my collecting and travels (all of which I snapped right up). I don't find them to be the least bit common.

Also, should there be separate listings for Volumes 1 and 3 to distinguish between the original packaging and the Greatest Hits packaging? I've only seen the original Volume 1 once and never have I seen the original Volume 3 (I'm still looking for this one!).

(This is just what I've observed from travelling to brick and mortar stores and not online.)

seconded...I rarely see 4 and 5 (although I do see them)...if I wanted to collect N-A-M-C-O I could see myself shelling out a lot more than 5 bucks per disc

[DR. Luigi M.D.]

For the NES, The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy is listed twice as a rarity of 2 and one of 7. Further examination reveals the 7 as an aladdin cart. All of the other aladdin cart games have "(aladdin)" at the end of the game name. Please change the 7 listing to the same structure as the rest for the benefit of future guide users.

I had already burned that rarity into my brain without doing further research :oops: and snatched up the 2 most ravenously :evil: .

So, it might help the next guy!?

[vintagegamecrazy]

I will say that the Myst demo for Jaguar CD is way too high $7 I cant sell those things I have tried to give them away and no one will take them at all and they won't even sell on ebay.

Genesis- Heavy Nova, Guide says $20, way too high for that game IMO I can't seem to get that much for it and I tried.

[Landon]

Well, here's one perspective of this humble NES collector.
I am an avid cataloguer of NES ebay listings (nothing better to do at work for about 6 hours a day LOL ) in addition to being an avid NES-Bwana at yard sales, the flea market, thrift stores and the 5 game stores in a 100 mile radius of here. I also keep a fairly large online network of fellow NESies.

Jimmy Connors Tennis for NES- Presently a R6, should be a R7. A solid R7.
The hardest cart there is to find that absolutley no one knows about.
If a RPG- not a sports title- had the same degree of rarity as JCT, it would sell for 3 digits.

Aladdin Carts- Presently, there is a large influx of them on the market.
The story is (directly from the horses mouth)- A woman in upstate NY discovered a tractor trailer full of them at an auction (she bought it for the trailer and not the contents @_@ ) and contained therein was a great number of Aladdin carts and deck enhancers. She has been selling them on ebay, and sold a number of them to a retro game dealer.
Are they really R7's? I would imagine so. I think the number of them out there is definitley very slim, but the present state of the market saw a vast quantity introduced when the buyers market for them are the scant few hardcore NESies who even know the thing exists. I think for the time being, it might deserve detention in R6, but as soon as the available supply dries up and there is no central source of them, back to R7.

I do believe that Snow Brothers deserves to be a R7 also (presently a R6).
Tremeandously difficult title to find.

I won't carry on anymore, but those are my 3.

Upgrade Snow Bros, JCT from 6's to 7's, and consider a possible downgrade of Aladdin carts.

[PapaStu]

Well, the book and the online rarity guide lists the PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 2 at a rarity of 1 and Volumes 4 and 5 at a rarity of 2, with prices listed at $5 for all. I think they're quite a bit rarer and pricier than that; I've only seen two Volume 2's and one each of Volumes 4 and 5 in all my collecting and travels (all of which I snapped right up). I don't find them to be the least bit common.

Noted. I myself dont have 4 and 5. The last time I saw 4 it was just had the front cover of the manual and nothing more, and before that it was at the CGE auction where I let the NAMCO letter set sell for 140 to the person who overbid me.


Also, should there be separate listings for Volumes 1 and 3 to distinguish between the original packaging and the Greatest Hits packaging? I've only seen the original Volume 1 once and never have I seen the original Volume 3 (I'm still looking for this one!).
Nose. Those appear in the 'notes' on the game. We here at DP try to keep mutiple listings from happening and its purely just a cover and disc art change before the GH release. Remember however that the disc art for the second covers are different than the disc art for the NAMCO set (which just has a huge letter for whatever disc that was). They mirror the GH releases just with a colored letter i think (my copies arnt with me at the moment so im not 100% sure). They have been updated and will show as such in the next update.

[SkiDragon]

It tells me the Xbox Music Maker is a rarity of 10. Doesnt this seem a little high?? Ive seen these in stores, and I own one myself (just the CD). Is the rarity for the microphone and whatever else included? I just thought R10s were items you would never realistically see in stores. This must be wrong.

[Arqueologia_Digital]

I know i will be a good contributor with all the rarities of the big southamerican continent...Atari 2600, Master system, NES, SuperVision, etc.

Cheers,

Matías

[mumbai]

Galaxian for the ColecoVision seems to be off:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9478

Especially when compared to Jungle Hunt:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9541

It's been my experience that Galaxian does in fact show up more often than Jungle Hunt, but not overly so. $15 is far too low a valuation for the game.

I'd suggest minimally bumping up it's value to $20. Maybe that's enough.

However, if I had to speak my part, I'd bump the value to $25 and raise the rarity one notch from R4 to R5. This still places it below Jungle Hunt (R6/$30), but properly distances it from the more common Atarisoft titles of Defender and Centipede (both R3).

[yok-dfa]

I think the rarity and price of the PAL version of Pengo for the Atari 2600 are way off.

Currently the rarity in the database is R8, but i propose to make this a R10. Why? Exact production numbers of this game are not known, but it was only sold in a few shops in the UK for a limited time at the end of the Atari 2600's lifecycle. Also, so far only 4 copies (all loose) have been confirmed to exist. In comparison, Mangia (which is a R9) is much, much easier to get.
I don't know what the correct value would be, but $35 is a very low estimate. I've talked to several PAL collectors about this game and they wouldn't hesitate to pay at least a few hunderd $$$ for this game.

[Mayhem]

I'm just glad I have a copy :)

Okay, so it's a PAL prototype, but still, it's PAL Pengo heh.

But I agree, PAL version is a 9 if not a 10 on the rarity scale.

[yok-dfa]

I'm just glad I have a copy :)

Okay, so it's a PAL prototype, but still, it's PAL Pengo heh.

But I agree, PAL version is a 9 if not a 10 on the rarity scale.

AFAIK it's not a prototype. It was sold in shops (or shop? i don't know) and for a limited time only... I guess yours is loose too? Also where did you get it? So far, i've only been able to track down 4 (5 including yours) copies. Marco has one, there's a picture of one on the gamereset.de website, but i don't know who currently owns that copy, and i have 2 of them ( :evil: ).

[Keir]

However, if I had to speak my part, I'd bump the value to $25 and raise the rarity one notch from R4 to R5. This still places it below Jungle Hunt (R6/$30), but properly distances it from the more common Atarisoft titles of Defender and Centipede (both R3).
I agree that Galaxian is much harder to find than Centipede and Defender, but rather than raising Galaxian, perhaps Centipede and Defender should be lowered? I would suggest ratings of R2/$5 for both (I bought them sealed for less than that).

[Mayhem]

AFAIK it's not a prototype. It was sold in shops (or shop? i don't know) and for a limited time only... I guess yours is loose too? Also where did you get it? So far, i've only been able to track down 4 (5 including yours) copies. Marco has one, there's a picture of one on the gamereset.de website, but i don't know who currently owns that copy, and i have 2 of them ( :evil: ).

What I have is definitely a prototype. It's in the traditional black case with the Atari typed label on it saying "Pengo (PAL)". Like most prototypes you see.

I don't know if Marco has a proper picture labelled version, but I got the proto from him last year. Only cost me $150 which is rather why I took it (as I knew any PAL version of it was very hard to find).

[yok-dfa]

What I have is definitely a prototype. It's in the traditional black case with the Atari typed label on it saying "Pengo (PAL)". Like most prototypes you see.

I don't know if Marco has a proper picture labelled version, but I got the proto from him last year. Only cost me $150 which is rather why I took it (as I knew any PAL version of it was very hard to find).

Aha, so you don't have the original released version :D The counter goes back to 4 then. Take a look at http://www.gamereset.de/freakshow/things.htm (click the Pengo link). I have two cards exactly like that, only one of them has some black tape over the text "for use with paddle controllers" (which is incorrect obviously). I think Marco has a proper labeled version, but i think his label was in poor condition (remember getting a PM from him about that). I am still wondering who currently owns that Pengo from gamereset.de though...

(/me still thinks this should be a rarity 10)

[Mayhem]

None of the javascript popup links work for me on that page. Just return errors.

[yok-dfa]

None of the javascript popup links work for me on that page. Just return errors.

Not even if you start at www.gamereset.de and follow the links from there ?(gamereset -> Freakshow -> things never seen -> pengo)

I noticed it is actually pretty hard to find a good picture of a black label PAL pengo (even with Google). Just in case, this is a pretty bad photo of one of the carts i own: http://axtelius.se/palimages/343.jpg (notice the black tape over the text. it comes out pretty weird in the picture)

[anagrama]

Here's the direct link: http://www.gamereset.de/freakshow/pic/things/pengo.jpg

[Mayhem]

Yeah I'd see that shown over at AA. As said, mine is an actual prototype version of it. Whether it differs code wise from the actual released version is another matter.

[Big Papa Husker]

Fox Hunt for PSX
I have seen it go on EBAY for about $20, and local stores sell them for $14.99. Maybe it will be worth more later, but ATM, I havent seen it go as high as the guide says.

Suikoden II for PSX
It seems that loose copies are going from $65 - $75, while complete are going for $110-$120 on Ebay. The local stores sell it for $99.99, so I think the rarity may be raised a notch, as well as the price.

Valkyrie Profile for PSX
Similar to Suikoden II, loose copies go for about the guide's suggested price while complete copies hit around $100. I havent seen this game more than 5 times in the wild, one of them getting it disc only for $5 Anyway, maybe it should be bumped up to a 4 and the price be bumped up a bit.

Dragon Warrior for NES
I see this game EVERYWHERE... Goodwill, local shops, ebay.. In the past month I've seen it about 6 times. Price wise, at the Goodwills it has been about $2, at the local game stores $4, which is a tiny bit lower than the guide price.

I dunno if these will help at all, but I thought I might as well post suggestions.

[mumbai]

However, if I had to speak my part, I'd bump the value to $25 and raise the rarity one notch from R4 to R5. This still places it below Jungle Hunt (R6/$30), but properly distances it from the more common Atarisoft titles of Defender and Centipede (both R3).
I agree that Galaxian is much harder to find than Centipede and Defender, but rather than raising Galaxian, perhaps Centipede and Defender should be lowered? I would suggest ratings of R2/$5 for both (I bought them sealed for less than that).

I'd still like to see Galaxian raised, in value, if not in rarity. I know eBay isn't the only yardstick, but for the past three or so years, it would require a small stroke of luck to pick up the game for under $20 as a loose cartridge. That's with both labels intact, as a lot of copies floating around are missing the spine label. It's just not an easy find, and I know I'd never let one go for $15, and I tend to trade out items "below book" in most cases.

I'm not so sure about lowering either Defender or Centipede at all. Although there is at least one large stash of NOS copies (and yes, I've purchased sealed copies at or below $5 apiece as well), taking in the big picture, they are justifiably R3. Neither Centipede nor Defender show up in quantities outside that NOS stash all that much -- far more often than Galaxian or Jungle Hunt, but not nearly so often as I think an R2 game should/would (even taking into account NOS).

[hydr0x]

imho this rarity is off by one or too numbers

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=12514

it's the Exertainment Double Pack (Mountain Bike Rally / Speed Racer)

this is the game that basically only surfaced sealed from some warehouse stock, right? how many copies were found there?? i can't believe there were more than 100. Compare this with other games, e.g. NWC 1990 (NES), which has 116 copies and is an R10. Shouldn't the Exertainment Double also be a R10 and if not at least an R9??

it also doesn't stand a comparison with other SNES R8s, like Fun N Games with 2000 produced units.

I understand it could be possible that a few thousand of the exertainment cart actually exist somewhere, but i'm pretty sure those are not in circulation (and maybe will never be) and shouldn't the rarity the reflect the actual availability of the game?!?

[digitalpress]

FYI foks, I'm just getting caught up with this thread and have addressed everything mentioned here in the actual database. You won't see the changes immediately but you will see them in the next update scheduled later tonight.

One slight hitch: the PSX guys have the current version of the PSX database - so though I've made some changes on my side, ultimately it will be up to them to change their files as well.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep it coming!

[hydr0x]

just to add this to my snes complain:

i also think that either the SNES COmp. carts should be raised to R10 (how many actually exist??) or the NWC lowered to R9, i have the feeling those should be in the same category, but maybe i haven't got a clue about US rarity ;)

[digitalpress]

just to add this to my snes complain:

i also think that either the SNES COmp. carts should be raised to R10 (how many actually exist??) or the NWC lowered to R9, i have the feeling those should be in the same category, but maybe i haven't got a clue about US rarity ;)

No way.

When I went looking for a StarFox and DK Country comp cart, I found them both within two months and didn't pay more than $250 for either (and the DK one was boxed).

They're not even in the same league as the NWC cart.

[anagrama]

Aren't there like 2500 of each the competition carts or something?

[D_N_G]

imho this rarity is off by one or too numbers

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=12514

it's the Exertainment Double Pack (Mountain Bike Rally / Speed Racer)

this is the game that basically only surfaced sealed from some warehouse stock, right? how many copies were found there?? i can't believe there were more than 100. Compare this with other games, e.g. NWC 1990 (NES), which has 116 copies and is an R10. Shouldn't the Exertainment Double also be a R10 and if not at least an R9??

it also doesn't stand a comparison with other SNES R8s, like Fun N Games with 2000 produced units.

I understand it could be possible that a few thousand of the exertainment cart actually exist somewhere, but i'm pretty sure those are not in circulation (and maybe will never be) and shouldn't the rarity the reflect the actual availability of the game?!?

This is not entirely true, my first copy for example was found at a gamestop loose for 4.99. There are many fitness outlets that probably also have copies with the accompanying fitness exertainment equipment, and have seen some on ebay bundled this way

Currently this should remain an R8, with a possibility of moving rarity for the future as more facts and findings come through. No sense in Grailing this until we can solidly prove it.

It's Better to be cautious in cases like this, and remember this is our first attempt at rating SNES, so many things are sure to slide around as we get all the input

[hydr0x]

Aren't there like 2500 of each the competition carts or something?

well if the number is really anywhere that high than it of course is by far not an R10, sorry :D

@DNG

ah i didn't know any surfaced in the wild, so maybe they were only distributed to Fitness Outlets, have you tried asking some of the owners of those about it? i agree that if it was actually distributed to those a R8 fits quite good as there are many Fitness Outlets, if it was only marketed to those though and wasn't successfull at all imho a R9 would fit it better, but as you said we should wait and see before we rate it to high....

thinking about this, i know there's not a real borderline between R8 and R9, but how do you decide this? i have about 5 titles in this borderline area for PAL SNES and i was wondering.... also if Fun n Games was really limited to 2000, and R10 goes up to ~200 copies i was wondering if Fun n Games shouldn't already be a R9

[anagrama]

also if Fun n Games was really limited to 2000, and R10 goes up to ~200 copies i was wondering if Fun n Games shouldn't already be a R9

Since when did R10 go up to 200 copies?

The FAQ clearly states:
"R10: Not only is this the centerpiece of a collection, but a ten also means you could be holding a one-of-a-kind (certainly one of no more than a dozen or so)"


ALso, the 2500 figure for the DK Comp Cart is clearly mentioned in it's DB description ;)

[hydr0x]

also if Fun n Games was really limited to 2000, and R10 goes up to ~200 copies i was wondering if Fun n Games shouldn't already be a R9

Since when did R10 go up to 200 copies?

The FAQ clearly states:
"R10: Not only is this the centerpiece of a collection, but a ten also means you could be holding a one-of-a-kind (certainly one of no more than a dozen or so)"


ALso, the 2500 figure for the DK Comp Cart is clearly mentioned in it's DB description ;)

i know the R10 is defined like that in the FAQ, but it's not used like that, see NWC cart, but you're right on the R10 and i haven't had any game in any of my lists i would have even thought about R10, as i said it's more the R8<->R9 decision that's hard for me...

[anagrama]

What games are you unsure about?
Might be wise starting a PAL SNES thread and getting the considered opinion of other collectors?

Personally speaking, I'd consider games rated R9 to be those that have an extremely limited availability or distribution - the only ones I've assigned on my sections were SMS Smurfs 2 (only 30-40 copies known to be circulating, all found in the Czech Republic) and the PAL Good Deal Games MegaCD releases (around 5 copies of each pressed).

Also, as DNG said above, in cases of real uncertainty it's almost always best to err on the side of caution and give them the lower rating - it can always be changed later if further information surfaces, and that's always preferable than risking over-rating something.

And I know there were at least 116 copies of the NWC '90 manufactured, but that's really the exception rather than the rule - after all, it is one of, if not THE, Holy Grail of videogame collecting ;)

[hydr0x]

Personally speaking, I'd consider games rated R9 to be those that have an extremely limited availability or distribution - the only ones I've assigned on my sections were SMS Smurfs 2 (only 30-40 copies known to be circulating, all found in the Czech Republic) and the PAL Good Deal Games MegaCD releases (around 5 copies of each pressed).

well, the Mega CD games MUST be R10 with 5 copies per game, no way they are classified as R9!!

the games i'm talking about are actually games only published in one country (either Spain or Italy), so that would make them qualify. i will open up a topic about them but i'm pretty sure it won't really help as one of the games actually wasn't known at all until i found it during snes research LOL

[Gapporin]

A little threadjack here:

I was looking in the Atari section, and I noticed that the Touch Pad was given a R2. Then, I saw that Star Raiders (w/ Touch Pad) was given a R1. Does this mean that Star Raiders is more common than the Touch Pad? Should the Touch Pad be an R1 or R2?

[sharp]

As owner of quite some Neo Geo Pocket games I have the feeling the rarity-ratings are not real right. Some games are put much to high in rarity while others are much more common. So I give my opinion about what it should be in my humble opinion for every game/ items which is misrated.

Baseball Stars JP R3 EUR R8
Japanese version is quite easy to find, the English version is really a pain to find (it took me 2 years to find a copy)

Dive Alert (both versions) JP R3, USA R5, EUR R6-7
I think this game is rarer as most people think, for Europe the rating for Matt's version is completly wrong as they are both hard to find.

Dynamite Slugger JP R4 EUR R6
European version is much rarer then the Japanese. The Japanese version isn't so rare but need some search to be found.

Evolution JP R4 EUR R7
Evolution shows up on ebay still quite sometimes, It is one of the rarer games but I think a R7 rating is more reasonable as the game isn't that hard to get if you have the money. Japanese version isn't hard to find, only don't pop-up so much as the game is complete in Japanese

Faselei JP R4 EUR R6
The Euro version isn't as rare as much people think, it's mainly the reputation of the game which kes it highly sought. So I think a R6 is more reasonable.

Gals Fighter EUR R7
I think the Euro rating is a bit too low and should be 7.

Magical Drop EUR R6
Magical drop in the European version is hard to find these days and is for sure much rare then the R4 it's mentioned now.

Mezase! Kanji Ou JP R8
This game is really hard to find complete boxed and is a R8 for sure

Mizuki Shigeru no Yokai Shashinkan JP R8
I think R8 is more reasonable as the game is also a hell to find.

Neo Geo Cup '98 Plus EUR R8
Much harder to find then most people think. It's one of the games the two games I still miss in my NGP-collection.

Neo Poke Pro Yakyuu JP R6
Japanese version sold much more copies then most people realise, cmore a R6 then R8

Pachinko Hissyou Guide Pocket Parlor JP R9
Almost impossible game to get, maybe the rarest game on the NGP.

Pocket Reversi EUR R8
Less rare as people original thought, but still the hardest to find English Color release

Pocket Tennis EUR R8
Damn this is the other game I still missing, damn hard to catch this game in English version.

Puzzle Link EUR R7
The first part is much harder to find as part 2 so R7 is much more reasonable.

Puzzle Link 2 EUR R6
Think it's a bit harder to find this game so maybe a 6

Samurai Shodown EUR R7-R8
Very hard to find this game, cost me a damn year to find a copy.

Samurai Spirits Special Box JP R5
Not that rare combination of NGP with SS, shows up once every while.

Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure EUR R3
Certainly not the most common game, still sold a lot but more R3.

This are my suggestions, so I maybe you can give a reaction.

[Mayhem]

In regards to the NGPC titles, I will be doing some adjusting on them anyhow at some point when I return from holiday. Your comments are noted.

Needless to say, the black and white UK titles will be going up in rarity. That's one area I did underestimate in my evaluation (long story here about me being involved with this section) so they will be going up to R7 or R8 levels.

Having said that, I see Samurai Spirits UK b&w fairly often both in people selling and on eBay. That and Pocket Tennis I consider the "easiest" UK b&w titles to get but that's not saying very much. I still need Pocket Tennis myself (have the other four) but I know lots of NGPC collectors with it!

Sonic, to my knowledge is one of the biggest selling NGPC titles with over 100k units. I can find it everywhere. It's definitely not an R3 rarity.

You have to remember that just because titles turn up on eBay frequently, doesn't mean they are less rare. I hardly see Evolution or Faselei for private sale for example. Why? Because everyone knows what they go for and puts in on eBay instead! They are both definitely still some of the hardest UK titles to find.

The equivalent to them on the PS1 for example was the original Dragonball GT. 10k copies, far far less than many other PS1 titles and yet you could still find 4-5 copies on eBay quite often going for big money because people knew its worth. Whereas less publicised "rarer" titles were going for less.

I don't just take eBay to be my source. I take other NGPC collectors and their opinions too.

Dive Alert wise, Matt's version is quite easy to find. Becky's definitely is not. Sales figures I imagine. But I could easily pick up Matt's version UK wise back then and now, but it would take eBay or a lucky private sale to snag Becky. I've been collecting NGPC since 2000 so I've got 5 years worth of searching experience to help me here :)

So that's staying where it is...

Part of my rarity assessment is based on how many people I know have copies as well. After all, they've gone through the process of hunting down copies as well. To this end, I have seen a few more copies of Pro Yakyuu about so the rarity on that probably will come down a point.

I've seen more complete Ghost Studio than Mezase so GS will probably sit still, and Mezase may go up a point. PlayAsia quite often gets in a copy or two of GS btw if you are still looking for it. It certainly fell in my lap earlier than Mezase. That was one of the last JPN titles I got.

I'm undecided about Pocket Parlor guide. I got my copy EARLY in my collecting career. I know many people after it, but also many people with it. It's one of those marmite entries. Certainly seen more of them in collections than a certain hanafuda title currently ranked R9.

I might drop Pocket Reversi UK to R8. We're still not certain how many are out there in total, last count yielded about 30 complete copies. So it could be somewhere between 50-100. But who knows?

Btw this is my NGPC collection ;)

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/ngpc.jpg

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/ngpcbw.jpg

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/ngpcjapan.jpg

It's missing NG Cup 98 Plus UK b&w as I got it after these pics were taken...

[sharp]

Thanks for you're information. Yes maybe I'm a bit wrong with my information about some games. I think it's also the difference between the UK, where the distribution of NGP was much mbetter then in the Netherlands, we're distribution stopped after the release of Dark Arms. So here you won't see that many clamshell versions of Sonic. Also I had much more trouble catching Dive Alert Matt, then with the Becky version, but that was years ago.

About Pocket Reversi, I know three owners in The Netherlands, got mine last year for only 10$ brand new.


About the b/w games, I think KoF R-1 is the most common of the English. I see that one popping up every now and then.

Oh and you have a great collection oh and if you find some other copy of Neo geo Cup '98 Plus please point it to me as I really want that game.

[hydr0x]

Pocket Tennis EUR R8
Damn this is the other game I still missing, damn hard to catch this game in English version.


hah, i've got it, boxed and absolutely mint, it came with my NGP i bought from ebay, both together did cost me 30€, everything boxed, the seller had some more of those packages iirc

give me a Primal Rage or DarXide 32X and it's yours LOL

[sharp]

hah, i've got it, boxed and absolutely mint, it came with my NGP i bought from ebay, both together did cost me 30€, everything boxed, the seller had some more of those packages iirc

give me a Primal Rage or DarXide 32X and it's yours LOL

I would have give you my Kizuna Encounte PAL Neo Geo AES if I had one LOL

[Mayhem]

On the KoF R1 front UK b&w wise, it turns up as much as Samuari Spirits does. Was forgetting about it there. Maybe a little more. So that'll sit at the lowest occurance rarity, but it's still about R5 or R6 level.

I got lucky with my NGC 98 Plus UK b&w copy. Found a seller in Spain with one. However he would only take bank transfer and he didn't speak a word of English! Not to let these barriers stop me, I persuaded him to allow me to send him cash Euros instead. All went well thankfully, and about 10 days after sending the money, I got my game.

Total cost? 50 Euros. Seeing as a complete copy had recently sold on eBay for four times that amount (and I had lost out on) then I was very pleased :D

[PapaStu]

I still think that the US stuff needs to be bumped up (and taken off of the Complete and moved to the Cart listings) but I'm pretty sure that its Larry's and not your call right Mat (at least for the US stuff)?

[Mayhem]

As the section is priced as "complete" to begin with... it's hard to section off Last Blade and Faselei, which is why I put the disclaimer about both in the description field.

To my knowledge, I'm in charge of the whole NGPC section now. I think so. Got the impression when talking to Joe but I could be wrong. Still, it'll be looked at when I return from holiday :)

[digitalpress]

A little threadjack here:

I was looking in the Atari section, and I noticed that the Touch Pad was given a R2. Then, I saw that Star Raiders (w/ Touch Pad) was given a R1. Does this mean that Star Raiders is more common than the Touch Pad? Should the Touch Pad be an R1 or R2?

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

[digitalpress]

I still think that the US stuff needs to be bumped up (and taken off of the Complete and moved to the Cart listings) but I'm pretty sure that its Larry's and not your call right Mat (at least for the US stuff)?

Mat is the primary editor of the NGPS section.

[Mayhem]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here :)

[Keir]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here :)How about we save ourselves the trouble of finding out and just call them both R1/$1? Even if the controller is slightly rarer than the cart, it's still common as dirt.

[digitalpress]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here :)How about we save ourselves the trouble of finding out and just call them both R1/$1? Even if the controller is slightly rarer than the cart, it's still common as dirt.

Yeah this is about the least interesting conversation we've ever had in this forum :)

[kevincure]

Mayhem,

Concerning the original DB:GT (PSX), we now know there were almost 20,000 copies sold. The rarest PSX US releases (aside from stuff like 2Ball - we should do a roll call on who has this demo, btw - and some of the Lightspan games) had 3-4000 copies sold. I think DB and Papastu are on the money when they list only 3 non-Lightspan games as R8. R7 is what I would consider similar to ER on my own list, and my guide is that if I can confirm 12000+ sold or see them with any frequency on ebay and in private sales, they're not ER.

[tylerwillis]

Thought I might contribute a few points. I collected all 248 US Dreamcast games once… and then sold the collection. I started recollecting them again and am about 24 games short of having the complete collection. I’ve done this mostly through eBay, so I’d thought I’d take a look through the list and see if anything jumped out at me as being off on rarity. Feel free to absorb/discard recommendations.

102 Dalmations, currently R2 – I say R1 = you can get this anytime, anywhere
Caesar’s Palace 2000, currently R3 – I say R4 = one of the first titles on my search list, one of the last titles that I obtained (still don’t have it the second time around) – shows up a handful of times on eBay in a month
Dead or Alive 2, currently R3 – I say R2 = easily obtainable, I’ve sold dozens
Deep Fighter, currently R3 – I say R4, maybe R5 = ditto Palace 2000 comment
Disney’s Dinosaur, currently R3 – definitely R4
Dragon Riders – currently R2 – should be R4, it’s pretty hard to come by
ESPN – both titles can be bumped up a notch – they’re not easy to get (I’m still looking for Track and Field)
F1 – up to R3
Grinch – same as F1
Gundam – bring down to R3 – it’s not easy to come by, but it’s readily available
Heavy Metal – R2
Hoyle – up to R4
Illbleed – should be R2, if not R3
Kao – should be R4, possibly R5
Max Steel - should be R2, if not R3
Mr. Driller – should be R4
Namco Museum – possibly bring it down to R3
NBA Hoopz – R3
Next Tetris – R3
Roadsters – R3, probably R4
Seventh Cross – R3
Soul Calibur – it’s not rare, R1 – these things are everywhere
Spider-Man – bring it down to R3, maybe R2
Spirit of Speed 1937 – R4 – one of the harder titles to grab
Tee Off – the R5 is way off – it’s R3
Tokyo Racers – no rarity change, but neither is spelled “Extreme” – they are both “Xtreme” – that’s direct from the case
Toy Story 2 – bring it up to R3, maybe R4
Urban Chaos – ditto
Wetrix – R3
Who Wants to Beat – R3
Worms World – might bring down to R4

Anyway, feel free to use these. Also, if an editor/admin want to contact me, just PM and I’ll respond. I’d like to help/contribute and I have a decent knowledge of the Dreamcast stuff.
Tyler

[Cthulhu]

I have some suggestions about a few random rare Japanese titles. I've been living in Japan for about 9 months now (and I spent a year in Osaka prior to moving to Japan this time), and I've been frequenting plenty of used game stores, including the shops in Akihabara.

Blast Wind, Saturn JP - A much rarer game than Radiant Silvergun actually. It never goes for all that much money but is extremely hard to find. I sold my original copy many years ago and spent nearly two years trying to find it again before stumbling upon it at a used Japanese game store in Hong Kong. I'd rate BW a solid 6, and I wouldn't be surprised if it moved up to 7 in a few years. Price of $50 to $60.

Hyper Duel, Saturn JP - More valuable than Blast Wind but easier to find. I think there might be fewer copies available but it's more well known and more people are looking to buy it. R6, $90 to $100.

Popful Mail, TurboGrafix 16 JP - Currently listed as an R8, this game is far more common than that. It's a late, late title for the system and still a little pricey but I have seen tons of copies of it here. I'd bump it down to an R7 for sure. Maybe even an R6... Price of $50 to $60, not $120. I hate to ask for a downgrade to a game I own, but the entry here is a little... "inflated." ^^;

Remy Blaster, TurboGrafix 16 JP - I've seen this game in the collectors cases at used stores in Akiba and Osaka a few times, but I've never played or bought it. There's no entry at all for the game currently. It's probably an R7 or R8 just based on how hard it is to find for sale. Seems to go for $150 or so. I don't know who made it, supposedly it's a beat-em-up.

Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru, Saturn JP - This is probably the rarest and most valuable "standard" run Japanese Saturn game. R8 for sure. I finally broke down and bought it a few days ago after finally finding a complete copy (many are missing the spine card, and most are missing a sticker that came with the game.) Goes for $240-$250 in Japan, even more overseas. The only Saturn games that go for more than this are promotional items, unreleased games, and other such oddities.

Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire, TurboGrafix 16 JP - The price on this already horribly expensive game has gone up - incomplete (no spine card) copies are going for about $330, and complete copies are inching towards the $400 mark. A few years ago in Osaka I saw this game for sale in collectors stores pretty consistently, but it's been getting rarer and rarer. I went looking for it the last few times I've been in Akihabara and only one or two stores has been able to get it in stock. Still an R8 though.

Dead of the Brain 1&2, TurboGrafix 16 JP - The price on this game has jumped up and it's gotten way harder to find. I'd still leave the rarity at 7, but the price is up closer to $140, at many places, $160.

Langrisser IV & V Final Edition, Playstation JP - Currently not listed in the database. A slightly revamped port of Langrisser IV and V for the Saturn. Definitely in the "upper tiers" of PSX games, this game always goes to the collectors sections here. I'd rate it as R5, probably an R6 overseas. The prices on it vary wildly - I've seen it go for as little as $50, and as much as $90. Average seems to be around $60, $65.

All these prices are conversions of the yen prices I see here than I did at random. No exchange rate calculations or anything. ^^; Hope this information is useful! :D


EDIT: I noticed that I listed Hyper Duel as an R5... I meant to say R6. More common than Blast Wind but not R5 common by any means. ^^;

[anagrama]

Just a minor one here: looks like there's been a warehouse find or something for Ghen War (PAL Saturn), judging by the plethora of unsold sealed copies on eBay anyway.
Should probably be knocked down a touch from it's current rating of R5.

[sharp]

Some other comment from this bastard.

I think the European Sega rating are sometimes to much UK-focused. The Classic Collection with Gunstar Heroes , Flicky and 2 I forgot is in my opinion much rarer then Sega Sports one, as the UK are much smaller then the UK mainland. And there are more games I have this feeling with, but if wanted I can post a list.

[anagrama]

The problem with regional variations like you mention is that there isn't an even spread games across Europe - while being much smaller in size, the UK accounts for well over half of all PAL MD games on eBay at any one time and given that, it's only right for things to be slightly weighted in that direction.

The Classic Collection is pretty common over here - I know I could walk into town this afternoon and buy 2 different copies if I wanted, for example. Having said that, an R4 rating might be fairer overall - I'll make a note to have a better look at it when I have a chance.
Also, Flicky is already rated higher (R5) than the Sega Sports comp (R4).

Feel free to PM me if you've got any thoughts on any other ratings - I'm not trying to just shrug off your comments, and would be happy to discuss any others.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Casino poker (Channel F) has only turned up three times in three years and only on Ebay, Alien invasion has turned up almost then times, CP needs to be a R9/$50 as it only shows up on Ebay.

The RCA Studio II section needs to be ravamped,

Bingo, like Conversational French, may never show up again and should finally be a R10, there is only 2 or 3 copies known to exist and should be noted in the description so we don't deceive anyone hunting for it.

Gunfighter/MB I have only seen one copy change hands since 2002 and I lost out on it, that game should be a R8 or 9, and worth at least $25, that game is deceptively hard to find.

Speedway/Tag probably the same as GF/MB, but only worth like $10, another elusive game to locate.

TV Schoolhouse II should be a R7 or R8, I have only seen 3 or 4 copies since 2002 and is worth at least $25, this game is much rarer than TV Schoolhouse I. If Al Backiel still maintains this section then this should be forwarded to him.

The Sega Genesis whack a critter controller needs to be added to the database, it should be at least a R9 as I have seen only one person who has one in 4 years of searching for one of these things, I have no idea on value though.

[digitalpress]

All comments to date have been noted. Look for some changes in the next online update scheduled Friday night.

Thanks as always for your diligence, folks!

[Arcturius]

Just a minor one here: looks like there's been a warehouse find or something for Ghen War (PAL Saturn), judging by the plethora of unsold sealed copies on eBay anyway.
Should probably be knocked down a touch from it's current rating of R5.

I agree with that too, at the time I worked out the ratings I hadn't seen a copy up for months hence the R5 yet recently there's been a flood of them so yeah I think it needs to be changed down to a R4 or possibally even R3.

[Speedy_NES]

Just two rarities that seem a bit off:

Moon Ranger for NES: currently R3; I think this should be raised to at least an R5; based on personal experience.

Krazy Kreatures for NES: currently R5; should be lowered to R4, maybe even lower. Tends to be more common than other R5s.

-Speedy

[hydr0x]

i think Civilzation (SNES) is price wrong

it says 12 for a loose copy

see these auctions

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8198924830

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8198298719

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8198073968

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8196093835

while the last one fits the price, the others clearly don't, and we want to be on the low side, so it should be lowered to like 8 ;)

[Crush Crawfish]

The only rarity discrepancy I've noticed would be Koudelka for Ps1. It's currently rated as an R2, which is, IMO, far too low. I've NEVER seen a copy of it in the wild, and I was actively searching for it for at least a year or so before I broke down and bought it on ebay. I think it should be raised to at least an R5, if not an R6, but that's up to the PS1 guys. Thanks for listening! :)

[PapaStu]

The only rarity discrepancy I've noticed would be Koudelka for Ps1. It's currently rated as an R2, which is, IMO, far too low. I've NEVER seen a copy of it in the wild, and I was actively searching for it for at least a year or so before I broke down and bought it on ebay. I think it should be raised to at least an R5, if not an R6, but that's up to the PS1 guys. Thanks for listening! :)

Its not a 5 or 6. You've got to realise that most RPG's just have a higher demand for them, especially the PS ones. I've seen numerous copies in the wild over the years. I'll push it up from a 2. But its not a 5 or 6. It should show an update the next time I send in the list to Joe.

[Simply Dave]

Captain Commando (R3) and Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition (R2) for the Super Nintendo are both very hard to come by and should be rated at the very least R5 and possibly R6. Captain Commando rarely ever comes up on ebay; I've seen only 4 or 5 copies all year and I've been tracking it on a weekly basis for the last 8 months. TSB II also saw a very limited production run and is also very hard to find. I had read somewhere that only 10,000 units of the game were produced. It's also a game that is scarce on ebay.

[Jed]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=35928

The Game Gear carrying case. Maybe there was a typo or something, is it really an R10? I highly doubt it. >_>

[bargora]

I've been looking for a U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave (listed Guide Rarity 3, value $8) for the last couple of weeks, but I'm not finding it. Not at local stores (but then, I haven't seen a Saturn game in the wild in Cleveland in a couple years). Not for less than $20 online (and that being the only listing I saw), and not on ebay at all.

Am I crap at online searching? Did I just start looking for it during a dry spell? Or should U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave get a rarity bump to 4?

[mumbai]

Wizard of Id Wiz Math (ColecoVision):

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9309

The online guide lists this as an R5/$15 ... that seems hopelessly out of touch with reality. It shows up as a loose cartridge perhaps four or so times a year on eBay, and for as long as I can remember has always fetched at least two to three times the listed $ value at auction.

Does someone have an ungodly stock of these, because I've just never seen it in the quantities one would expect of an R5 -- not to mention that for the last couple years I've had far more requests for it in trade than I've ever been able to find myself.

[vintagegamecrazy]

NES experts please chime in here, but I have been trying to find a copy of Galaxie 5000 for a long time now, I haven't seen one in forever, I think it is a lot rarer than a R6 I find all the Pac-Mans and Qix a lot more often than this and I don't see it on Ebay much either, does anyone else agree or is it just me?

[pseudonym]

R6 seems about right to me. i've found three of them so far and about the same number of qix and pac-man.

[digitalpress]

Wizard of Id Wiz Math (ColecoVision):

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9309

The online guide lists this as an R5/$15 ... that seems hopelessly out of touch with reality. It shows up as a loose cartridge perhaps four or so times a year on eBay, and for as long as I can remember has always fetched at least two to three times the listed $ value at auction.

Does someone have an ungodly stock of these, because I've just never seen it in the quantities one would expect of an R5 -- not to mention that for the last couple years I've had far more requests for it in trade than I've ever been able to find myself.

Yeah, that game definitely needs a bump up.

[digitalpress]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=35928

The Game Gear carrying case. Maybe there was a typo or something, is it really an R10? I highly doubt it. >_>

Looks like the rarity and dollar values are reversed. I'll fix that, thanks!

[digitalpress]

I've been looking for a U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave (listed Guide Rarity 3, value $8) for the last couple of weeks, but I'm not finding it. Not at local stores (but then, I haven't seen a Saturn game in the wild in Cleveland in a couple years). Not for less than $20 online (and that being the only listing I saw), and not on ebay at all.

Am I crap at online searching? Did I just start looking for it during a dry spell? Or should U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave get a rarity bump to 4?

A 4 seems fair, and a slight uppage in price as well, though I do see Powerslave in trade boxes occasionally.

[sharp]

Maybe a new rumormill entry for Zombie Revenge for Playstation 2 can be added. A conversion of this Dreamcast-game was mentioned in the Acclaim Playstation 2 Un Nouveau Monde Catalog, which I got with my Virtua Cop: Elite Edition. I don't know if it was mentioned in UK versions of Acclaim-catalogs, but is at least in the version for France and the Benelux.

[robotriot]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=25683

Is this entry only for the very first console revision? Otherwise it should be R1 :)