The demise of Nintendo is almost upon us!

[ozyr]

Man, some people need to lighten up here. I'm not a fanboy of any current system, and I don't see the need to bash nintendo, or other systems. What's the point!?

Sure, Nintendo is not #1 (console sales), but I really don't care. As long as I get some good games, that's all I really want.

end-of-line (which means that is my two bits on this - no more).

[WanganRunner]

Now see, this is an interesting topic, now that the DS is owning the PSP I wonder what the topic creator has to say?

I believe he would say "It's still early days - The PSP is only lagging behind due to the fact that there is A) A shortage, and B) It has only been out a matter of weeks" ~ After the new year, things will start to change...

Remember ~ The DS is less than half the price of the PSP, and is being bought as a replacement for GameBoy's ~ The PSP is a completely new venture for Sony, andthey still need to get a few more games released for it. Give it another few months, and a few more releases, and we'll review the situation...

A.) There is not a PSP Shortage, they are sitting in the stores, UNSOLD. A local EB here has THIRTY PSP's in stock, sitting in the back room, unsold. Their DS's are selling out between shipments.

B.) PSP has been out for a good while now, and it's still not taking off. It's *fantastic* hardware, I'll admit that, but it's too expensive and the software just isn't there. I dunno what you mean by Nintendo "not marketing to adults", all the adult gamers I know already have DS's.

C.) I'm buying a DS and like 7 games next week. I could buy a PSP Giga Pack and any games I want, but I'm not going to. There are some decent titles out for the PSP, but nowhere near the quality of what is getting released for the DS.

D.) No one cares that you have a red PS2. There, I said it. As LE consoles go, yours is middle-of-the-road at best, and certainly doesn't justify a little line of virtual red PS2's in your DP inventory. Please stop making these threads, no one cares what you think of Nintendo.

[Lord_Magus]

D.) No one cares that you have a red PS2. There, I said it.

ROFL

[goatdan]

First off, I can't believe that this thread rose from it's grave... *sigh*


Half the games out at the moment only use the one screen, so what's the point? Ok, nice idea Nintendo, I like the "Touchy feely" thing, but what we really need is a 64 or 128 bit handheld that has great power and great looks and plays a dream.

I don't know what games you're playing. Of the bunch that I own now, the only one that I can think of that falls into the category of not using the top screen for much of anything is Zoo Keeper. Nintendogs could probably be done without it too. But both of those games need the touch screen.

Mario Kart with two screens works SO well, it's amazing. Sonic Rush is fascinating with two screens. Even though it isn't necessary, having the map on Mario DS is a nice feature. Feel the Magic needs both screens for just about every game. Metroid Prime Pinball only works so well because it has two screens used at the same time.

The DS is unique. That's why, at least for the moment, I'm playing it more than all of my other consoles combined. Stating such a bold statement about the DS is unwarranted and completely untrue.

I'm not going to deny that the PSP is also an amazing system, but saying that the DS sucks because it isn't a PSP (or because it isn't 128 bits... *sigh* WHY are we still talking about bits? Was the Xbox not next-gen enough since it was 32-bits?)... anyway, saying the DS sucks because it isn't a PSP is as stupid as saying the PSP sucks because it isn't a DS. They are two completely seperate systems, and as such they do completely different things. Pick the one you like, but you shouldn't feel the need to rip on the other because of it.

[Push Upstairs]

I don't even really like Nintendo and *I'M* tired of this thread/conversation.

How about we all just call it quits with this thread, mmmkay?

[Mayhem]

Btw there ARE shortages of the PSP in the UK. We don't know if Sony were holding back or not delivering them in sufficient quantity, but for most of this month, it's been very hard to find one.

With Nintendogs out, so has it been for the DS too...

[Enixis]

Btw there ARE shortages of the PSP in the UK. We don't know if Sony were holding back or not delivering them in sufficient quantity, but for most of this month, it's been very hard to find one.

I totally disagree. I've been seeing the same 'PSP IN STOCK! SELLING OUT FAST!' at my local GAME and Gamestation stores for the past 2 weeks now. And when i walk in i see the same 15 boxes stacked on the shelf. No ones buying the thing. Customers are always asking about the DS or Micro.
I also see more and more psp games and systems getting traded in by the day. Definitely not a good sign.

[daynum]

All the shops in my area are sold out of the PSP to. Seems like Sony UK should ship some over from America if they are rotting on shelves there.

[MrSmiley381]

Haha. Such a funny thread. Nintendo won't die. Why? Because they don't stop until it's game over. Plus, from a sales perspective, they're the only ones making money right now. Sure, they could make a lame-ass system, but if it sold well enough that it made them money, they wouldn't die.

Plus, it took Sega a long time to fall. It was slowly happening, but Nintendo isn't showing signs of death. Given, I own a PS2 as well (just not a red one) and I bought it first, because it appealed to me more. I still got a Gamecube. In fact, I only missed out on the Xbox, and that was because it just didn't appeal to me. Given, I hate fanboys of all types, so I'm not technically biased against anyone. Honestly, I want to play Panzer Dragoon Orta and Fable. And bad. However, my urges for Castlevania and RPGs made me buy the PS2. My urge for Super Smash Bros. Melee and Zelda made me buy a Gamecube next.

Tl, dr? Everyone shut up and play whatever you like, and don't say a company is dying until they give an official statement.

[exit]

I've seen this same arugment since I was in 8th grade during the start of the N64/PSX war, people promising that the N64 would bomb and Nintendo would go bankrupt. Fast forward some years later, slap on a new name and get the same results. Who the hell cares, it's just videogames.

At my store it kind of breaks even with the handhelds. When there are no DS's ,there are plently of PSP's and vice versa. So things are pretty much even down here.

[chicnstu]

Dang Gemini.....I used to respect your posts and think you were one of the coolest members here....

I have a PSP right now and a DS. I worked so hard in August to earn enough money to buy a PSP, a game, and a screen protector. The thing just looked so amazing and I was extremely interested in WipEout, Mercury, Daxter, and the multimedia capabilities. I ended up getting WipEout, Twisted Metal, and Untold Legends.

I really enjoyed the system for a couple of months. Putting music and videos on it was the coolest thing I've ever done, and the music on WipEout was the best I've heard in a game. But, I just didn't like the games. Untold Legends got boring after a while. The cars in Twisted Metal turned too fast or something, it's like they turned on the center of the car instead of the wheels. Sadly, I didn't like WipEout either, using the nub was difficult to get used to and made my hands hurt after playing a little while. Using the D-Pad hurt after a while also because you constantly have to press "Right, Left, Right, Right, Right, Left".

Also, the PSP is a little too heavy for a portable. But, I still think Sony did an amazing job of putting all of these abilities into such a small thing. It was just too heavy to play for long periods of time. Even the other people I know believe this.

There are things I don't like about the DS too. I don't like how they added a GBA slot, I don't like their commercials, and I don't like how you have to set it on a table sometimes to play the games. I still like the DS a whole lot more though, it has so many amazing games out or coming out like Mario Kart, CastleVania, Trauma Center, Electroplankton, and Metroid Pinball.

So now I'm going to sell my PSP and maybe try again to find something I like. I belive I'm going to try to get a 360 when people stop being stupid and buying them for $1000.

[icbrkr]

D.) No one cares that you have a red PS2. There, I said it.


Not to +1 but.. heh.. damn that's funny.

[philosophyst]

There are things I don't like about the DS too. I don't like how they added a GBA slot

I find this odd....

How can you not like the GBA slot? How is this a problem, it enables you to play the hundreds and hundreds of GBA games along with the DS games.

I just don't understand how this is a drawback to the DS system. Please explain!

[njiska]

There are things I don't like about the DS too. I don't like how they added a GBA slot

I find this odd....

How can you not like the GBA slot? How is this a problem, it enables you to play the hundreds and hundreds of GBA games along with the DS games.

I just don't understand how this is a drawback to the DS system. Please explain!

It's also not a GBA slot but rather an expansion slot. Sure it allows you to play GBA games but it also you to use a rumble pack, and presumably more addons in the future.

This compalint definitely falls under the catagory of WTF?!?

[Sothy]

Iceb = subtle master of hilarity

[philosophyst]

It's also not a GBA slot but rather an expansion slot. Sure it allows you to play GBA games but it also you to use a rumble pack, and presumably more addons in the future.

This compalint definitely falls under the catagory of WTF?!?

Excellent point, I didn't even think of the rumble thing as I am yet to get the Metroid Pinball. But, yeah, what the heck are you thinking chicnstu? x_x

[DarkStraw]

you guys are wrong about nintendo making enough to keep making games, they make more than enough, they may not be first in the home console race but they are neck in neck with sony in terms of profits and the xbox is wayy down there below them, i think the xbox will finnaly start to make a profit in 2007. (ive seen facts and graphs but dont remember the addy's sorry) and its very easy to understand why nintendo can keep up, its making 5 differnt consoles and making money off them while sony is making 2 or 3 and taking a loss on them all, do the math.

Nintendo makes money on their consoles therefor when one of their innovative idea's fails they have money to fall back on... if you take a loss on a system from the start you are already in debt and if your console fails you will be in the hole alot deeper. Ps3 is supposed to cost alot... im sure they will also take a big loss on each console sold... and if it dosent do so well and xbox wins, or even the revolution wins, sonys game devison will be in the red big time. They are taking a big risk... im not saying the ps3 will fail but nothing lasts forever, the ps3 may not fail... maby the ps4 will win the next next generation war, but eventually it has to die sometime.

Nintendo's consoles may be less powerfull but since when is power all that matters? i play games because they are fun and if nintendo can make fun games who cares wtf they look like.. its a plus if it looks nice, but i dont want to pay an arm and a leg just to make it look nice.

ive been watching the sales numbers from japan and the US (when the ones in the US are available) and in japan the DS is kicking the psp's ass (nearly double the sales)
in the US i think the psp and DS are about even. ( heck if i recall correctly the SP even outsoled the psp a week or 2 in japan)

of course then you can take into account that sony take a loss on each psp sold, while nintendo is making money on each DS, so while nintendo is winning in japan tied in the US and ahead in europe (but i do think the psp is gaining ground) psp is doing worse. Of course the PSP hasent released any good games lately and people say that thats what the movie capabilites are for and it can emulate... well emulation dosent really put any money on the table for sony, umd's do but who would buy a umd for 25.... when you can get a dvd for cheaper anyway im sure you have already heard that. and as for the DS being a gimmick, ive heard the touch screen is a gimmick and the second screen is a gimmmick.... personally i think the second screen is a little bit of a gimmick and it could have done without it but there are games that use it well, sonic, mario kart, mr driller, yoshi touch and go, and there are many great games that use the touch screen blah blah and the psp has really great graphics.

i would just like to say, its pretty sad that, for all those who claim the DS is a gimmick and such.... its sad that a gimmick is beating out the psp, which has such great graphics (great graphics that you can get on the xbox, ps2, gamecube umm xobx360) while the DS gives you something you cant just get from another console... a touchscreen.

Of course i dident buy the DS because its portable, i stay at home most of my time and when i leave i dont take my DS, and the psp kind of hinders you from taking it anywhere with the short battery life...and loading times which is why i ask the question.... why get a psp? just get a ps2, and if you have a ps2, then why are you even thinking about a psp? most of the games on the psp are on the ps2 in one form or another.

as for kiddy image, honestly do you play games because they are fun or do you play them just to look cool?

honestly i considered buying a psp (no i dont have one) but sony never bothered to put out demo stations, i guess they dont care about attracting new audiences, i like to try something befoure i buy it so if they arent gonna bother to let me try it out im not gonna consider it an option... i would like a psp for one or 2 games i like that are comming out for it and it would be nice for an emulator but i would rather spend the money on DS games. i do really wish the DS was more flexable in terms of being able to run stuff on it etc, but games and fun come first ( for me anyway)

of course i havent bought a nintendo home console since the snes dont really care this generation of consoles, they really havent brought anything new to the party except online gaming, as far as im conserned this generation of consoles arent even a new generation... the next generation could be the revoution, guess the ps3 and the xbox360 would still be stuck in the ps1/n64 generation huh. of course i wont buy a rev untill i try it on a demo station or somewhere, im no fool, it could very well flop, but it shows alot more promise then sony or microsoft, who have kept the same controllers since they made their first console and i guess plan on using them till the end of time...reminds me of how EA keeps reselling the same sports games over and over and people keep buying it. Nintendo may have flopped a couple times with their controllers but at least they are trying to make games more fun/differnt. the thing that dissapoints me the most about this current generation is that the same games come out for every system.... whats the point of differnt systems? AGHH.

of course you could always just choose the system which has the games you like ( im going to pretend that this generation dosent exist when making that statement)


And no im not a nintendo fanboy but i guess you could call me a DS fanboy, and everyone deserves one fanboy rant once in their life and here is mine.

[Chronodriftersx]

of course i wont buy a rev untill i try it on a demo station or somewhere


Is good



the thing that dissapoints me the most about this current generation is that the same games come out for every system.... whats the point of differnt systems? AGHH.


for this we shall meditate on the wise and benevolent:

<Kuribo> NE146: You've caused me to the xb/gc's same cover, etc...but gc/xb have all this shit in the future. So lots of ass.

[suckerpunch5]

That's it Darkstraw, get it all out. . .


The laws of physics state that the PSP should not exist, yet it does. It looks too cool, too futuristic to be placed in today's society next to something so bulky and ugly as the DS.
:hmm:

Okay, no one panic! I promise, as a degree holding physicist, that the PSP doesn't break any laws of physics! Just because it looks "futuristic" doesn't mean it is breaking any laws of physics.

I just didn't want anyone to freak out. F = ma, in spite of the PSP's existence.

[sisko]

That's it Darkstraw, get it all out. . .


The laws of physics state that the PSP should not exist, yet it does. It looks too cool, too futuristic to be placed in today's society next to something so bulky and ugly as the DS.
:hmm:

Okay, no one panic! I promise, as a degree holding physicist, that the PSP doesn't break any laws of physics! Just because it looks "futuristic" doesn't mean it is breaking any laws of physics.

I just didn't want anyone to freak out. F = ma, in spite of the PSP's existence.

HEY! But didn't you know that the PSP can push a rope?

ROFL

[zektor]

I didn't do the bumping this time! :D

[DarkStraw]

ZOMG BUMP! FACTS! http://nintendo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=nintendo&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fnintendoinsider.com%2Fsite%2FEEEFy lpkElFffmiBlr.php

very interesting read, even if it is kinda old.

[drummy]

I personally love the DS, and think that the PSP has a crappy game library, while the DS has a very good one. Sure the PSP has great hardware, but I hear of many defects, as well as shitty loading times for several games. I like the Gamecube a lot as well as well as the controller, and basically love a lot of games for Nintendo's console and portable systems.

[ice1605]

OK, before I post, I must say that I am a bit (well, more than a bit) or a fanboy for Nintendo. But, the reasons I will present ARE justified. Anyway, Nintendo won't leave. A Revolution will be perfect for me. And as for the DS vs. PSP market, the DS is winning. The PSP isn't selling well. There are about 10 games released, none of them good. The DS, on the other hand, has MANY more games than the PSP and the games are much better. The UMD movies just seem ludacrous, there are more of those than games. Also, Nintendo makes more money than Microsoft and Sony (by the way... GO APPLE!!!). Saying that Nintendo is going to die is a rediculous claim. I guess that this thread should be locked. I can't beleive, Gemini, that you think that Nintendo will die. Nintendo will live. Microsoft will, but the X-Box 360 may die because of all of the reports of bugs, not to mention no good games planned.

[NESVIDIOT]

I am a Nintendo fanboy. Proudly so. I do own just about all the other systems and have a fair library of good titles for each. So I'm not blind to the fact I have to own other systems to get the exclusive titles. For me, the only reason to own any other system than Nintendo.
Nintendo is like the Godfather. It ain't easy to take out the mob boss. Sony and X-box are great and fun too but you can't deny that Nintendo simply MAKES it FUN. And usually cheap enough so that more parents can buy little Johhny a system and a couple of cool games as a gift and not have to remortgage the house. Not everyone has expendible cash to buy videogames and usually mainstream parents don't game hunt like we do. I do buy some new games at lauch( Mario Kart DS :-P ) but usually wait to pick up titles that I know will show up at one of my connections a few weeks after launch at a fraction of the price.

Nintendo ain't going anywhere for some time- probably not until games aren't fun anymore. Nintendo is ONLY a game company, unlike Sony and Microsoft.

[Chronodriftersx]

The Eyes of Nye are upon us we're all under his scrutiny :evil: X_x O_O http://www.kcts.org/inside/news/images/eyesofnye_big2.jpg
yeah I don't always post big ass images this isn't too blighty and he'll even get you excited about Hydrogen as well..

[kevin_psx]

The demise of Nintendo is almost upon us!


Oh jeez. Whatever.

----->Goes back to Metroid Prime 2.

[Richter Belmount]

I doubt nintendo is going down they own a fraction of the market 2 portable systems and a console. I see anybody just buy with the nintendo name around my parts.
another thing....
I dont understand why some people want to see nintendo go down I mean people just want to go support ... sony and have a lack of innovation , saturated game genres,
tons of sequels Sure thats what the game industry needs.

[sabre2922]

I DONT WANT NINTENDO TO LEAVE THE CONSOLE MARKET :( but then again I didnt want Sega out either.

Now that being stated IF it does so happen that the Revo only sales around 3 million units within its first few years as predicted this MIGHT happen. Although after the Xbox360s launch Im much more hopeful for the Revolution in that I would rather have a solid Nintendo system thats not going to BREAK/FREEZE or MELT DOWN the first freaking day that I own it O_O

Ill never buy another Microsoft console and IF Sony doesnt do a better job with the PS3 hardware Ill just stick with current gen for the next 4-5 years and pick up a Revolution when its released.

[chicnstu]

I didn't mean I didn't like having the ability to play all of the GBA games. I meant that I don't like how they added that in there because that caused even more dumb people to call it the "GameBoy DS". It's a great feature but I just think that if Nintendo was going to call the DS their "Third Pillar" then they should have left that out.

[grayrobertos]

Just let this topic die.....please

[chicnstu]

I was just letting the people know what I meant.

[Pente]

Still waiting 8-)

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

Yeah, we're still waiting for you to stop bumping old DS threads left, right and center. :roll: If you've got more of a point to make, please make it in one place instead of dredging up a bunch of old threads and basically posting the same thing. Thanks!

[Bronty-2]

Ehh. It's actually kind of entertaining to see how seriously people took a possible nintendo demise six months ago. They've sure picked up a lot of momentum in that six months...

[Doom Gaze]

Ehh. It's actually kind of entertaining to see how seriously people took a possible nintendo demise six months ago. They've sure picked up a lot of momentum in that six months...

Not six months. Eighteen.

I wonder what all the Sony fanboys and Nintendo deniers like the OP have to say now that DS has stomped PSP. Stomped in every facet; sales and quality, and in every notable territory.

[Bronty-2]

Ehh. It's actually kind of entertaining to see how seriously people took a possible nintendo demise six months ago. They've sure picked up a lot of momentum in that six months...

Not six months. Eighteen.

I wonder what all the Sony fanboys and Nintendo deniers like the OP have to say now that DS has stomped PSP. Stomped in every facet; sales and quality, and in every notable territory.

Guess what? Believe it or not, I can add. I was referring to the approximately six months since the last posts were made. I know you're referring to the time since the thread started, but that's not what I was referring to.

But yeah, its been nothing but good news for nintendo and bad news for sony lately. Mmm... a $600 console with $80 games because of a movie format I have no interest in... gee, where can I sign up?

Nintendo on the other hand has been kicking ass with sales for ds hardware, ds software, good showing at e3 for wii, 3rd parties getting behind their platform, etc etc.

[Sothy]

replace Nintendo with Sony and yeah 100% right.

[Bronty-2]

Huh? How so? Do you mean in the title of this thread, or..?

[bangtango]

I added this to a bumped thread that was later locked, so I followed the link that was left in the locked thread to repost.


Thinking Nintendo will go away is a joke. All they need is the same type of stranglehold on third-parties that they had in the 1980's and 1990's. If that happens and Sony ended up becoming second banana, or third banana, to those other developers then they will be the ones in trouble. Nintendo actually has enough first-party firepower which Sony and Microsoft will never possess.

Nintendo can sell enough systems, at least one or two million each time out, on account of a single Mario game and a single Zelda game. Why should they cave in and let some outsider like Sony get their hands on those characters or licenses? Let Sony have their exclusive (and repetitive) Grand Theft Auto type of games, which seems like is all they have going for them for months at a time.

People say Nintendo markets to kids but some of the games you see on Playstation market to the Adam Sandler, "Maxim Magazine", Ashton Kutcher, "Jackass" or Beavis & Butthead mentality. Heh, heh, fire. Cool!!!!! Heh, heh, guns..... No better than Nintendo. Almost the same common denominator, just in two different age groups. Sony manages to paint themselves in a corner too, on occasion, by being stubborn with their direction.

Sony without the third parties would be like Sega when they were trying to keep the Dreamcast in the console wars. But at least Sega could make a good game here and there.

[Frica89]

I'm sick of this shit. Nintendo will always have a loyal fan base.

[Undertaker]

As long as people support Nintendo they will always be around.It seems like Nintendo,Sony and Microsoft all have there fans.They all sell their products well.I do not see anyone fading out any time soon. :hmm:

[bangtango]

Nintendo would have to delibrately put forth an effort capable only of Atari to ever be doomed. Maybe if they hired Trip Hawkins to help market the Wii and Sam Tramiel to do the negotiating with third party developers.

[Hams]

zzzzzz why Digital press why?.

[Xizer]

Why is this shitty topic bumped back up?

I put the chances of Sony going bankrupt higher than Nintendo. That company is failing miserably and bleeding money left and right.

The failing of the PSP, the flopping of the PS3...losing like 1 billion dollars last year and having to lay off a bunch of employees...

Sounds like a dying company to me.

[poloplayr]

This is a continuation of my other thread - Is the games industry getting just a little too crowded? (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722)


I forsee something going down - And I think it may just be Nintendo this time!


The DS is unnecessary. It is a half-arsed attempt to advance, but doesn't seem to have actually made it...

In one hand, we have the GBA, in the other, the PSP. The DS is neither, but wants to desperately be both. And is failing miserably. Nintendo could have made a replacement for the GBA, but they didn't. They could have made a next gen console to rival the PSP, but they didn't. What we have is just an ugly mess - One which won't last in my eyes.


Until now, Nintendo have virtually ruled the handheld market since atari and Sega pulled out some time ago. Many have tried to take their crown, and many have failed - Until now, and it may just look like they will be mopping up their own blood.

They should have focused their efforts on making either a successor to the GBA or a dedicated next gen console. Not the DS.


And I fear that the new PlayStation and Xbox will finish them off for good too! Especially seeing as how the gaming theatre is getting a little crowded now...


History has taught us that when there are too many consoles - One has to drop out... And seeing as how Nintendo seem to be faltering at the moment... I think the PSP could be the one which deals the final blow to a company already down on it's knees...

LOL...so funny to see how wrong this poster was...

[NE146]

Not just him, but a lot of people were big on "predicting" the fall of Nintendo over the past 2 years or so. Ever notice they've since quieted down? :P

[Hep038]

Wow this thread started out as a nintendo hate thread ,died and was brought back as a nintendo loving zombie. Pretty cool. :beaten:

[Pente]

In one hand, we have the GBA, in the other, the PSP. The DS is neither, but wants to desperately be both. And is failing miserably. They could have made a next gen console to rival the PSP, but they didn't.

And I fear that the new PlayStation and Xbox will finish them off for good too! Especially seeing as how the gaming theatre is getting a little crowded now...

... I think the PSP could be the one which deals the final blow to a company already down on it's knees...

Hilarious LOL

[Xizer]

This thread is always good for comic relief.

[Predatorxs]

This is a continuation of my other thread - Is the games industry getting just a little too crowded? (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722)


I forsee something going down - And I think it may just be Nintendo this time!


The DS is unnecessary. It is a half-arsed attempt to advance, but doesn't seem to have actually made it...

In one hand, we have the GBA, in the other, the PSP. The DS is neither, but wants to desperately be both. And is failing miserably. Nintendo could have made a replacement for the GBA, but they didn't. They could have made a next gen console to rival the PSP, but they didn't. What we have is just an ugly mess - One which won't last in my eyes.


Until now, Nintendo have virtually ruled the handheld market since atari and Sega pulled out some time ago. Many have tried to take their crown, and many have failed - Until now, and it may just look like they will be mopping up their own blood.

They should have focused their efforts on making either a successor to the GBA or a dedicated next gen console. Not the DS.


And I fear that the new PlayStation and Xbox will finish them off for good too! Especially seeing as how the gaming theatre is getting a little crowded now...


History has taught us that when there are too many consoles - One has to drop out... And seeing as how Nintendo seem to be faltering at the moment... I think the PSP could be the one which deals the final blow to a company already down on it's knees...

In all fairness, the DS is the next gen in handheld games from nintendo, the Wifi, the reto twist from the game and watch era and the quality of the games, its a natural progression, i dont have one but my GF and little girl both have one (DS lites) and i play it all the time!.

the psp is good.. But good for what? it plays games and videos, for its price and all the promises from sony. I'v played it quiet alot lately and its good, but its aimed at a different market than the DS, I'v seen all kinds of people all kinds of ages with DS's.

But for the PSP it's young boys and guys in there mid to late 20's, how many girls have PSP's?? and there too expensive for young kinds, were as nintendo still has the family/kids market.

Also Gemini-Phoenix, not to flame, but it's clear your a sony fan (which is cool) but if people go through your posts from day one, this is the type of post you come up with.. and its alittle far fetched, the PSP kills off Nintendo! errr Not today, NOT ever! ;)

But hows about the big thing that CAN kill off Sony... the PS3! thats gunna be financial suicide. lets wait and see! ;) (i'm trying to be neutral but its hard!)

They (sony) couldn't just stick to what it says on the tin, they had to turn the damn thing into a swiss army knife, People already have DVD players, people already have the internet, people already have a PC and photo albums. They (sony) should have gone hard after the xbox live service, and matched, if not beat it. But they've dropped the ball.

Nintendo always go the family route, to cover all the bases, and it works, why else are they still here, because theres a market and people want them, i have a ps2 and think its good, but i flat out refuse to pay the price for the ps3, it's going to be a marketing mess!.

Over 100 years old and still going strong.... NINTENDO! (I'm not a fan boy, i just an appreciation for the finer things in video gaming life!)


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[chicnstu]

Yeah, looks like his predictions didn't come true.

[Bronty-2]

Reading some of these threads with the benefit of hindsight is freaking hilarious

[mills]

yep, owned.

[BocoDragon]

My favorite experience of the last month has been reminiscing and laughing at former Nintendo/Revolution/Wii doomsayers.

[Overbite]

I wasn't sure they could do it, but Nintendo really made good on what they said. People who have never played videogames before are going crazy over the Wii. Old people are buying Wiis for themselves! Newspapers are having articles on "hot items for christmas" and they're going crazy over the Wii saying how neat it is, but no mention of PS3 or 360.

Nintendo really did grab the market of people who don't play games and got them playing. It's crazy

[John_Madden]

Kiddy image or not, deserved or undeserved, N is in trouble, in big trouble. The GC goes very slowly the road of third party support of the N64; in the last DP Wire there were more than ten releases listed for the PS2 and Xbox, one (ONE!) for the GC. Looking at release lists in the last year, it gets slowly worse and worse. Sales figures for games, third party support, hardware sales, harsh economic facts tell us all one thing.The image problem is there, no matter as a result of the software or hardware sales or the cycle of both.

The DS lost already the race before it really began. I said it back then, and I say it again, the dual screen -- sold as "innovation" - - was a desperate reaction of N which realized that they cannot compete with the PSP. They looked for another market within the game industry, not for the traditional handheld market. Less power sold by PR as emphasizing gameplay and innovation mean in reality less sales. Gameplay and innovation is not restricted to the underpowered systems, they will come automatically to the most established hardware, and in doubt the more powerful system will win.

In one year there will be a 50/50 marketshare in the handheld industry between Sony and N at the expense of N. Sony 'matured' the handheld games which means more mature gamers will flock to the PSP; they will expand the demographics of gamers; a good portion will be the so far non-handheld gamers, Sony will win over new customers. The marketshare won't be a zero-sum game, but it will come at the cost of N who will loose a good portion of handheld-gamers.

All the hints given in interviews by Iwata and people from NOA about the "Revolution" indicate a very similar strategy. No competition for Sony and MS anymore, a less powerful system, innovation and gameplay comes first, we want to appeal to the hardcore gamers AND non-gamers. (if they manage that, they will be on the level of Aristotle.

It is basically the good-bye of N from the traditional console market for the next generation. For me that is clear for months now. N looks for another market in the game industry. They are not competitive anymore in the traditional market.

Sad, but reality. This isn't speculation, no fanboy babble, it is the writing on the wall.

If you want to sell more games you need people to buy them.

[Berserker]

If you want to sell more games you need people to buy them.

What's the point of resurrecting year+ old threads just to further argue with Lendelin on the same points? It'd be cool if you could keep that particular "discussion" to the one multi-paged beast already in progress, thanks.

[Poofta!]

This is a continuation of my other thread - Is the games industry getting just a little too crowded? (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722)


I forsee something going down - And I think it may just be Nintendo this time!


The DS is unnecessary. It is a half-arsed attempt to advance, but doesn't seem to have actually made it...

In one hand, we have the GBA, in the other, the PSP. The DS is neither, but wants to desperately be both. And is failing miserably. Nintendo could have made a replacement for the GBA, but they didn't. They could have made a next gen console to rival the PSP, but they didn't. What we have is just an ugly mess - One which won't last in my eyes.


Until now, Nintendo have virtually ruled the handheld market since atari and Sega pulled out some time ago. Many have tried to take their crown, and many have failed - Until now, and it may just look like they will be mopping up their own blood.

They should have focused their efforts on making either a successor to the GBA or a dedicated next gen console. Not the DS.


And I fear that the new PlayStation and Xbox will finish them off for good too! Especially seeing as how the gaming theatre is getting a little crowded now...


History has taught us that when there are too many consoles - One has to drop out... And seeing as how Nintendo seem to be faltering at the moment... I think the PSP could be the one which deals the final blow to a company already down on it's knees...



3 years later... wow how times have changed!

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

LOL ... "demise" of Nintendo.

Yeah ... nobody's buying Wiis' and DS'es.

[exit]

I remember seeing this topic and my opinion on it is still the same, Nintendo isn't going anywhere.

[PentiumMMX]

I think I remember seeing this topic ages ago.

Anyway, my 2 cents on this: Nintendo isn't going anywhere. It's like Microsoft discontinuing all versions of Windows and telling everyone to switch to Linux; It just won't happen.

[Overbite]

I was gonna add my 2 cents but I guess I did a few years ago

[Nophix]

Not to add fuel to a thread ressurrection, but here's my points being a nintendo fanboy.

DS- I have one. I think I've played it a total of 6 hours.... In a year and a half. I have good games, and I still dislike it that much. Actually, I wish I would have kept the GBA SP i had before it. I bought a PSP about a week or so ago, and will never look back to the DS. The PSP just does it RIGHT!

What's my biggest complaint about the DS? The damn STYLUS! It's ok for general navigating through menus, but SUCKS for gaming! It's so cumbersome! WTF were they thinking?

Nintendo as a whole- All I have to say is Wiiiiiii!!! I LOVE my Wii! Absolutely the best system I have ever played! Now, this is next-gen controls done right! And as for graphics, say what you want but with a good HDTV and component cables, this thing is amazing. No, it isn't a PS3 or 360, but it isn't far off. However, Nintendo never has been the realistic graphics company. they've always focused on the family gamers, which IMO has liongevity beyond the gears of War and Halo franchises.

Nintendo has classic, family friendly characters and games that will continue on a timeless tradition of wholesome entertainment.

Now, lets not forget the PS3's high price poiint and the rediculous failure rate of the 360.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere, they just need to re-think the handheld market.

[rkotm]

/end of teh thread. dead. buried. old newz.k thx bai.

[Streetball 21]

LOL ... "demise" of Nintendo.

Yeah ... nobody's buying Wiis' and DS'es.

Ha, I remember I was at Best Buy the morning of the Wii launch to buy Zelda, (I bought my Wii somewhere else) and this guy in line was saying to everyone how Nintendo was done and finished and this is their last system blah blah blah. He kept saying he was gonna beat Zelda in a week and then sell it. I had a feeling he was wrong, not sure why, maybe because of the huge crowd that was there. I wonder what this guy thinks of Nintendo now lol.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Humble pie, served ala mode. :) Looks like some folks Magic 8-balls lied to them... should have said "Ask again later... much later. They're all gonna laugh at you! Trust me." LOL

So, how's that "death" of Sony coming along? Never too soon to start another rumor of doom. ;)

[Super Mario Fan]

Humble pie, served ala mode. :) Looks like some folks Magic 8-balls lied to them... should have said "Ask again later... much later. They're all gonna laugh at you! Trust me." LOL

So, how's that "death" of Sony coming along? Never too soon to start another rumor of doom. ;)

Oh. You didn't hear? The reason Sony is discontinuing their 80GB PS3, is because they're going bankrupt. At GDC tomorrow they're announcing that they are exiting the console business to focus on software for the Wii and DS.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Holy crap! It must be true. I mean, why post it if it isn't. ;)

[kentuckyfried]

I think that the wii is a gimmick, (an extremely successful gimmick) and that the DS is excellent.

There isn't a single game for me on the Wii to date, (pretty much the same attitude towards the 64 and GC ((with a couple of exceptions of course)) but the DS has many games I have (and still do) enjoy.

[Push Upstairs]

Oh. You didn't hear? The reason Sony is discontinuing their 80GB PS3, is because they're going bankrupt. At GDC tomorrow they're announcing that they are exiting the console business to focus on software for the Wii and DS.

I heard this exact same thing from the video game professionals at GameStop!

[Fuyukaze]

Reading thru this thread all over again still makes me tinkle myself just a little bit as I laugh so hard. God, wow, this whole thing is still priceless! I cant wait to see just how it reads 3 years from now! God, this thread is the joke of legend.

[lendelin]

Let me say something about the resurrection of this thread before the Wii fanboy club chimes in to brand anyone as single minded gamers who dare to question the quality of Wii-games . :)

It is cheap and childish to resurrect such a thread because there was in another thread a heated “debate” about the Wii. The resurrection of this thread is as deflecting from reasoning as were the arguments of the Wii-boy fanclub in the other thread.

The biggest difference of the two issues: in this old thread I made predictions about the new console of N 18 months before it was released; in the other thread my evaluation of Wii-games took place 15 months after its release. The latter cannot be about predicting its future.

In the other thread the Wii fanboy club insists that I condemn the Wii for eternity, that I made statements about how it shapes up in the next three years although I never did. I didn’t do that even remotely in any of my posts, I stressed that numerous times. Like true ideologues they ignore it. They hear what they want to hear because it is convenient in order to avoid thinking.

However, they were once good at High School essays -- I think. At least one critiqued my posts referring to his High School essays. :)

The strategy of the intelligent ideologues: you were wrong back then, you are wrong about the future of the Wii now. You evaluated pre-maturely back then, now it is the same with the Wii. Completely besides the point and just plain dumb because I didn’t say a thing about the future of the Wii, merely critiqued existing Wii games.

Unlike the rambling fanboys who believe that evaluations of present consoles and their games should be determined by their future potential, I stick to reality when I evaluate what’s out there; and I stick to reality when I make predictions. The latter is ALWAYS uncertain because the marketplace is uncertain.

What’s the point resurrecting this old thing?:

You’ll see the answer of these guys will be: this shows how detached from reality you are, how wrong you were about N, how wrong you are about the Wii, you are on drugs when you talk about systems, it shows how biased you are, it shows how intolerant you are, it shows how self-righteous you are, the Wii will be an AWESOME system one day. (They posted all of the above nonsense) You’ll also see that they will pick quotes out of context, build up scapegoats, and go after opinions which were never expressed.

I believe in the meantime that these guys are so radical, dumb, and strong believers that they would start a war over silly issues. I really can’t imagine what kind of life they have, if any. I always keep a cool head and I'm very rational. I admit I don't understand the strong emotions and seriousness about issues radicals are able to develop.

This is like coming in between radical Obama and Clinton supporters.

I hope they won’t go in my records and find that I got a speeding ticket when I was 19 and two parking tickets when I was in my mid-20s (which is true); that I had a good sex life and fulfilled all my sexual fantasies, even very wild ones; (which is also true) however, I swear to God that I never paid for sex, although there is absolutely nothing wrong with it and in Germany (where I grew up) it is anyway legal. I also had never sex with children or animals; I never took drugs, the question of inhaling therefore is obsolete; however I admit that I smoked cigarettes for over two decades and quit two years ago.

BTW, this thread wasn’t started by me, and I never used the word “demise.”

I wrote the following in April 2005, one year and a half before the Wii was released:


Kiddy image or not, deserved or undeserved, N is in trouble, in big trouble. The GC goes very slowly the road of third party support of the N64; in the last DP Wire there were more than ten releases listed for the PS2 and Xbox, one (ONE!) for the GC. Looking at release lists in the last year, it gets slowly worse and worse. Sales figures for games, third party support, hardware sales, harsh economic facts tell us all one thing.The image problem is there, no matter as a result of the software or hardware sales or the cycle of both.

...

All the hints given in interviews by Iwata and people from NOA about the "Revolution" indicate a very similar strategy. No competition for Sony and MS anymore, a less powerful system, innovation and gameplay comes first, we want to appeal to the hardcore gamers AND non-gamers. (if they manage that, they will be on the level of Aristotle.

It is basically the good-bye of N from the traditional console market for the next generation. For me that is clear for months now. N looks for another market in the game industry. They are not competitive anymore in the traditional market.

Sad, but reality. This isn't speculation, no fanboy babble, it is the writing on the wall.

I stand behind every word I wrote about the GC and the terrible shape of N in the CONSOLE business in 2005. If N executives would have assessed their situation differently and ignored dramatic dwindling market shares of its CONSOLES over a period of nine years, N would be dead by now. Unlike members of fanclubs they cannot afford to wear blindfolds.

When I wrote...


It is basically the good-bye of N from the traditional console market for the next generation...N looks for another market in the game industry. They are not competitive anymore in the traditional market.

...I was right - and wrong. Right that they try to tap into a non-traditional gamer market, wrong that they leave the console business.

For awhile I thought N would achieve to tap into a new market by focusing on the handheld market alone, a couple of months later I wrote that they might release a combo handheld/console. In both cases I was wrong. I have no problem whatsoever to admit that.

However, N achieved with the unique Wii to tap into a non-traditional market by focusing on different gamers (“casual gamers and non-gamers”) circumventing a direct competition with the PS3 and Xbox360.

Unlike my assessments of the Wii, this was PURE speculation. What else can it be 18 months before the thing is released?

In April of 2005 we didn't know specifics about the console, we only had a couple of interviews by N representatives vaguely talking about focus groups and statements that gamers aren't really interested in cutting-edge technology.

As soon as the Wii was announced with nice pics, I didn’t foretell anything terrible about Ns future. I stressed that this is a very smart business decision. I stressed that N is onto something because of changed leisure time activities, changed family situations, and furthermore the lessons they learned from the Japanese game market which experienced a severe slowdown from 2004 to 2006.

However, I wholeheartedly admit that I was absolutely wrong how successful the little Wii would become.

I wrote in the other thread that I always thought that the Wii will be a very distant third to the PS3 and 360. Like so many others I was completely caught by surprise by the sales numbers of 2007. I didn't try to hide that my foretelling abilities are very limited. :)

I was wrong. What do you fanboys want from me? Please don’t crucify me because I don’t share your opinion about the Wii. PLEASE. :)

I tell you another secret: I was completely wrong about the Gameboy, too. In 1990 a former classmate of mine who made his doctorate in economics worked for N in Germany. (He left N after two years) They had a very small staff back then, and unlike in the US Nintendo wasn’t a household name yet. We talked about the upcoming Gameboy, and off the record he was as skeptical as me. We thought it might be a complete flop. (Like so many others in the industry back then, like so many others who were wrong about the Wii two years ago.)

Just three months ago I met my friend at a High School reunion in Germany. He is in the meantime completely detached from gaming, worked for a long time for the German publishing house Bertelsmann, and has now a professorship in economics.

We laughed about how wrong we were about the Gameboy and talked about its success. We didn't take it seriously because we know that there is no successful guy in business who at one point didn't make completely wrong decisions based upon misperceptions.

Only guys who have no idea about business and engage only in hindsight analysis are never wrong...and only ignorant fanboys resurrect old threads and scream "HAHA, I told you so" in order to deflect from their low level reasoning.

Here I am: I was wrong, not completely, but certainly wrong about the future of N in the console business. What do you want from me? Shoot me? :)

BTW, I still think that the second screen of the DS is a gimmick, and I predicted that there will be a 50/50 market share between the DS and PSP. It is now more around one third/two thirds. Please don’t shoot me for that either. PLEASE.

I could think about ten predictions I made on this site which turned out to be correct. But I think it would be really childish to resurrect these threads and say HAHA, I told you so. (In particular if they have nothing to do with the price of rice in China)

This epic novel was it for me about this thread. If the Wii fanboy club wants to resurrect it again in the future because I might see the slightest flaw of Nintendo and disagree with them, please feel free to do so. :)

I think that everyone can tell that resurrecting such an old thread backfires. It has nothing to do with current disagreements, it is just plain dumb. Everyone who refers to it like blueLander and djbeatmongel because they ran out of arguments in another thread risks their reputation. I suspect that they don't really care because they are on a warpath to achieve gamers paradise on a road named Wii.

They might even risk their souls on their mission. :)

I apologize for my English, English isn't my native language. I truly apologize to the Wii fanboy club before blueLander again refers to the intellectual heights of his high school essays. I truly apologize again for the courage to provoke you two educational dictators with my own opinion. I hope one day you'll forgive me. :)

[alec006]

Nintendo has been around since 1889,and ever since then there have been people probably wanting to see them go out of buisness, it just wont happen, why cause people still pick up their NES, SNES, N64 and GC games every single year and play their childhood again and again, that lasting appeal Nintendo will always have. So what the DS doesn’t use a UMD disc to play its games, and cant play all these movies, first off, people usually buy movies to watch at home on their TV and on their kickass surround sound system, we only buy a few portable movies when were on the go or stuck on a plane for 14 hours, then again that’s what laptops and DVD drives are for. Nintendo has always appealed to mostly everyone young, adult and old and that is their goal, they don’t need to be the macho companies that put 3 core processors and super high resolution graphics into their machine, they make a system that any normal human being can pick up and start playing and play for hours on end. It is good to see there are Nintendo people, there Sony People, Microsoft People.... its great to see many of these people devoted, but remember, there just game systems, they are met to be fun, they are not to be in competition with each other, each system appeals to a group and if they like it, thel buy it and play it again and again. Unless some person makes something more notable than Mario, Samus, Link, Donkey Kong or Pokemon, Nintendo will never die, remember this company is over 110 years old, and children are born everyday and later discover such a fun company that makes wonderful games, plus the adults and the old that rediscover, wow I haven’t played this in years I had so much fun back then, I think ill play it again. Now ill admit I am a Nintendo fan boy also a Sega Fanboy, but that doesn’t mean I hate Microsoft or Sony, I love to play games on those systems, cause Nintendo doesn’t have Halo nor Metal Gear Solid. Again unless some creative person makes some revolutionary thing that beats Halo, Mario, Sonic and whoever else that’s popular, all 3 companies will continue to make their systems and entertain us and entertain our children and their children when we die.

[scooterb23]

Any chance this thread can be submitted to the Epic Fail section of Attack of the Show?