Factory sealed NES madness!

[mickoz]

Hundred of people are gonna buy it ;-) And receive 1400 roms, 300 different games, 800 bad dumps, 300 variation of mario bros and hack. Etc. ;-)

[16-bit]

Ok lets say he has them and is an honest guy. Err except he doesn't honor the winning bid.

I'm still curious why he offered the lot for LESS than the BIN to Mike Gedeon.

Does that make any sense?

Sure does. The guy wants to make a quick and easy sale. Likely the $20,000+ offers were similar in the terms that Bronty-2 tried to negotiate after the sale.

He's probably considering that Mike Gedeon offers the least hastle of all of the offers and that is value added--especially if you have to move inventory by a deadline.

[Bronty-2]

......


I don't see any red flags, if y'all don't believe he has them, how did he fabricate these pictures? Multiple copies of almost every title, and 5-10 copies on alot of them, all look minty fresh. Even has several original cases for games & systems. It's not uncommon for a stash like this to be found in some old warehouse. Even on Hawaii, they sold Nintendo down there right?

Just in this last year alone, there have been several HUGE collections of NIB software & hardware up on ebay, most recently the $175K computer lot, which that guy was selling piece at a time, but snaped a few pics of the garage to try & sell it all in one go.. No one bid on that, but where did it come from? He likely found them all together somewhere, had to. Before that there was a huge lot of Bally Astrocade games, like 746(??) brand new games, this a system that predates Nintendo.. And before that one, there was a huge lot of Starplex controllers & accessories found, hundreds of these, I don't think a total was given, because the seller broke down into lots selling. Again a huge collection of nib hardware from the early 80s just sitting in a store room for 20 years.

It's possible this guy has known about these Nintendo games for a number of years, but just hadn't had time to mess with them, or didn't own them so he couldn't. He may not have researched any, just threw up on ebay with a BIN of around $10 a pop. Which would seem optimistic if you didn't know the value of any of these, given their age.


Having no feedback is not that big of a deal. That just shows he's not a regular on ebay.

Not trying to sell individually is not too uncommon, when faced with the possibility of having to mail out hundreds & hundreds of packages. It probably wasn't something he wanted to get involved with. It's much easier just posting one single auction.

Not wanting to sell to Bronty after the phone conversation isn't surprising either, when Bronty informed him he did not have the funds to purchase this lot he'd just BINed and is hoping the seller can hold out for a time based payment plan. This isn't layaway. And that should have been approved before he ever bid on the auction. At this point the seller probably started receiving offers from other interested parties, all above the now ended BIN price, and the seller decided he doesn't want to wait around on multiple payment plan that Bronty offered.

To the seller it would seem that Bronty was getting in over his head with this purchase, time based payments might get stretched out longer than originally agreed upon, and even the last attempt that he could have the money in one week, might not actually work out, and then what? The seller is looking at these other offers, and doesn't want to mess around with someone who might not have the money, or get into a situation where he starts accepting money, then has to wait indefinitely when things don't work according to plan.

Not showing seals? Only proves he doesn't know much about Nintendo. Honestly on a lot that big, what does it matter? So you think he bought these piece at a time so he could reseal at home & make money on ebay? It would probably cost $5K or more to purchase that lot piece at a time in mint complete form just so he could put together a fake warehouse find with a BIN of $15K Get real, no one is gonna waste that much time or money on a scheme like that. And when's the last time anyone has seen cases of systems in original packing boxes on ebay, what would one of those fetch?

$2K paypal thing is less of a concern when I think the FBI still works internet crime, mail fraud is out if it goes UPS, but still lawsuits can be filed. People do get caught & punished. This isn't something where you're just gonna file a paypal dispute and call it a day.

I agree with the other posters when they said they'd take the extra $10K over a neg in a heartbeat. I would too, especially given the circumstances. If the buyer had money in hand, willing to pay right then, this would not even be a discussion now. But since he didn't it opened the door for all these others to come in, and now waiting on $13K vs a wire trans tomorrow evening for $20K, which would you prefer??

I agree with a lot of your comments, and yeah what you mention about time payments maybe stretching out were some of his concerns. The thing I have trouble with is that after he said no to time payments I said I'd pay up front and he still said no. That's BS. It's his right to refuse the time payments part of the sale, but there is no basis on which to refuse full payment. I'm definitely going to neg his ass.

[Insaneclown]

Maybe this guy worked with Nintendo...and look what he shoveled in his pockets. lol. Fucking awesome lot though!

[portnoyd]

I disappear for 2 weeks, and all kinds of shit goes down. So... what was the outcome?

I'm in cruzway's camp, btw. Sketchzilla right here.

[ron_burgundy]

i WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THEY WERE RESEALED

[mickoz]

If someone reseal game he found in pristine mint condition that is probably harder to find. Even thought I guess it depends the person who owned them. Some people's stuff are always pristine mint.

Well, I would like to heard an update about that vg soap opera.

[evil_genius]

Update please.

[Bronty-2]

there's really nothing to update... guy refused to sell for the auction price and sold to someone else at some price over 20k. He sent me a mutual agreement to not complete sale form, I guess so he could get his ebay fees back; I never laughed so hard in my life. Needless to say I didn't 'mutually agree.' Also reported him for non-performance and will leave a neg once I hear back from ebay as to what they plan to do about my report (nothing, I'm sure).

[8bitnes]

Ok, I'm finally going to jump in on this one too. For some strange reason I was awake the morning this listed. It had only been on ebay for only 20 minutes when I came across it (you know the early bird gets the worm). I watched it and debated for nearly about 45 minutes before deciding I couldn't possibly do it. Even then it was 3 hours before bronty came along with the winning bid. Had I just bought it, it would have gone into closed auction infamy before anyone even had his e-mail address. (Kind of like the Stadium Events I got that no one here ever noticed - maybe now someone will).

Anyhow, to those of you doubters, I think you can't be further from the truth. Certainly this isn't at a market somewhere, that would have been no secret to buyers - would have sold long ago. Certainly the pictures couldn't be faked, there are games and items strewn about all over, there are not only unopened games but unopened cases of games, etc... One final note on this, many of the games appear to have 2 little price tags on them. That may help the non-believers more than those who think its real though.

As for getting screwed, something like this you definitely pay through an escrow service. You send money to holding company, seller sends items to holding company, holding company sends to seller and buyer upon inspection. If one person doesn't follow through, the item or money goes back to the sender. Fees aren't terrible, and are definitely worth the money and the time delay. Any legit seller would accept this method of payment.

Anyhow, its a totally raw deal and I feel very badly for you bronty.


Any idea what this set would be worth if broken up on ebay?

Adam

My estimate puts it more like $80,000 and even that seems low. ($50 avg for games and $200 avg for systems)

[Qixmaster]

Had I just bought it, it would have gone into closed auction infamy before anyone even had his e-mail address. (Kind of like the Stadium Events I got that no one here ever noticed - maybe now someone will).

Oh i most definately noticed. In fact i missed that BIN by a mere 2 minutes. I just didn't think it would be necessary to spout off about something like that until you actually recieved it. $175.... damn...

-Josh

[8bitnes]

Had I just bought it, it would have gone into closed auction infamy before anyone even had his e-mail address. (Kind of like the Stadium Events I got that no one here ever noticed - maybe now someone will).

Oh i most definitely noticed. In fact i missed that BIN by a mere 2 minutes. I just didn't think it would be necessary to spout off about something like that until you actually recieved it. $175.... damn...

-Josh

$175 wasn't mine. Mine was a different one, it has a cool story behind where and when the buyer found it too.

[mickoz]

Are you talking about the Stadium Events you BIN lately at 350$? I was hesitating and wanted more picture.

It is hard to price the item. Because if big buyers buy it, is there still other big buyer to buy them at high price. For example, if you found 10000 stadium events. I don't know how high you would be able to sell them all.

I wonder how many serious brand new NES collector there is. Probably a lot, but are we talking about 100, 1000, 10000? ;-)

As for the pricing, it is hard to tell without know all the games. But even my collection which is not as big (1400 new games vs. a coupled hundred new) -- will probably sell higher. At less if I sell, I am gonna get higher (I might have paid too much for some stuff and get stuff really lower expected price... as most collector :-))

[8bitnes]

Are you talking about the Stadium Events you BIN lately at 350$? I was hesitating and wanted more picture.

That's it. Found it in ebay stores :). It was there for 36 hours so I'm sure you weren't the only one who saw it. I debated for a very long time before buying it, especially because of the poor photo. Once I realized he was in the same state as me, I bit the bullet and bought it. The price was a little below the normal market usual of $400 or so. Definitely not too bad and besides, I'm sure the one listed now will hit closer to $500. He lived only 20 miles away from where my brother goes to college, so we arranged an in person pickup.

Anyhow, I got it from Steve Jansen. Some of you may know him or at least have heard of his cartridge. He found at a video store on his way to CGE in Las Vegas. I think he said it was in 1997. Very interesting guy, would love to see his basement.

Anyhow, I most likely own the rarest rental label in the NES collection. LINK (http://www.geocities.com/broncotrack/StadiumEventsBack.jpg)

Since getting it I have had the incentive to pursue completion of my collectoin. I have lowered my needed NES carts from roughly 150 to just 15 in about a month.

[mickoz]

I was very very close to get it. Well glad you like it. At less I know I will see other Stadium Events. Lately I lose an auction I might not see again (it is a sport card, probably a 1/1 special edition -- I don't collect card anymore, but started with some limited players... and well I was gonna bid high amount of cash and my bidding software fux0red at the very end).

All this, because in that Stadium Event case, I was a little mad at myself for not acting faster - I hesitated a lot and that is what it got me (and got you!). I just wish if I spend 300$+ on only a cart, that the cartridge will at less be mint (that is why I was mostly waiting for picture, etc.).

I would say it is a good price if you wanted it and it is in good condition. I would say the market would fetch 300-500$ depending of the bidder, timing, etc. But then, there is always someone to amaze us! :)

Something fun, I lately did go on a street near my house (I live where my grandpa used to live and my cousin used to live upstai) and I think I noticed a very old store we did go rent cart at. It is weird I never noticed that since I live here since long (but we rented cart there like 15 years ago!) -- imagine if I dare to enter and find some old NES games. ;-) might happen!

[Qixmaster]

Had I just bought it, it would have gone into closed auction infamy before anyone even had his e-mail address. (Kind of like the Stadium Events I got that no one here ever noticed - maybe now someone will).

Oh i most definitely noticed. In fact i missed that BIN by a mere 2 minutes. I just didn't think it would be necessary to spout off about something like that until you actually recieved it. $175.... damn...

-Josh

$175 wasn't mine. Mine was a different one, it has a cool story behind where and when the buyer found it too.

I must be trippin' balls or something. I thought it was 175... maybe i saw a different one or maybe i just have a really bad memory. I did see one that you bought tho and i remember distinctly saying "shit, 8bitnes gets all the deals" outloud in front of my computer.

Guess i gotta keep my memory in line. nonetheless, i would have snagged it, rather it was $175 or $350 (in this case).

[Bronty-2]

My estimate puts it more like $80,000 and even that seems low. ($50 avg for games and $200 avg for systems)

I think eric is bang on like usual. The lot is both legit and worth at least 80k at collector prices, depending on the multiples of certain games maybe more than that. There a ton of games in that lot that are rare factory sealed.

But to echo a little bit of what mickoz had to say, the value of it as a lot is completely, completely subjective. Selling off a collection of that quality and quantity on ebay would completely depress prices. The number of what I consider serious factory sealed collectors is far closer to ten than it is to ten thousand. It's happened many times before when a seller has even four or five copies of a sealed game that the fourth one will for a quarter of what the first copy did after the couple or three collectors that even care to own it get their copy. So as a lot I consider it worth maybe 35 or 40 k... and very few collectors have that kind of dough for a collection; hence the 23k or thereabouts selling price.

[mickoz]

I won't advance on 10. I would have the personal feeling that there is not that many serious factory sealed collector. But then we will have to define serious (but indeed there is not 10000 and it is probably safe to say less than 1000 -- but there may be well more than 100 -- some people are on and off).

Some people only want factory sealed copies of some particular games (meaning they don't aim for a completeness). So some title won't depreciate much in value, unless you have 1000+ copies.

That is something that is interesting in that kind of collection, it is incertitude.

Anyone who has 50-100+ different new NES games and aiming to get more should probably be considered "serious". Maybe not the most hardcore as they may be more patient, etc. I bet you have a database at home of the names :D

[8bitnes]

Some people only want factory sealed copies of some particular games (meaning they don't aim for a completeness). So some title won't depreciate much in value, unless you have 1000+ copies.



Exactly, games like Contra, Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Megaman, Tyson, etc... Cult Classics will never drop dramatically in price.

[video_game_addict]

Maybe??

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintagevgs

[evil_genius]

Good work Gumshoe! ^^

[imanerd0011]

Dang,

That definately could be the person who bought the lot. The fact that they have 24 sealed copies of Amagon is a sign. I wish that "Homework First" was in better condition, because I would toss a bid on it if it was.

If anyone has a NIP Homework First in good shape, please PM me about it.

[silver_surfer]

Maybe??

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintagevgs

What? Already? Holy Shit, that was quick...lol..

[8bitnes]

Clearly not the brightest man.

Let's list 2 copies of 10-Yard Fight and 3 of Castlevania 2 at once. The Athletic World games I can understand, but seriously get a clue on the others. Why on Earth would you want to compete with yourself and split your potential bids up?


EDIT: Oh, and by the way, the Wrecking Crew's seam is broken on the right AND it looks like a reseal.

These are definitely the games from that lot though. The price tags on the all of them match up with what is visible in the pictures.

EDIT AGAIN: The first 10-Yard Fight is definitely a reseal and the second looks like one too. 3D Worldrunner and Rush 'N Attack are definitely fakes as well.

I'm sure bronty is out there somewhere (Canada perhaps) with a half smile on his face over this one.

EDIT AGAIN AGAIN: These more interesting titles appear to be authentic on the other hand: Tyson, Zelda 2, Mario 1, Castlevania 2 (all 3), Pinball, Bomberman

[Bronty-2]

Howdy :D

Yeah, I couldn't help but smile when I saw that all the best games he's listed so far are reseals. But those are store reseals - could be that he's just getting rid of the junk and keeping the good stuff.

one thing I did notice though is that the reseals are all the early games - all the hangtab box games. So there could be a lot more resealed black boxes in that lot. Or not, tough to say. But I definitely had to chuckle when I saw five or so of the top games - all resealed LOL

[evil_genius]

^^ How can you guys tell which are reseals? To me they all look legit. Then again, I do not have much experience with sealed games. So please, explain so that I can arm myself with this knowledge.

[mickoz]

Well, are you sure it is from that lot? I would have to compare some picture, but who know. Also is that Mike Gedeon or someone else bought it? Or it is the actual seller of the lot who decided to split? hehe. Also, were the perforated handtag version all were sealed. I think I remember you bronty say that they were sealed in US but not in Canada.

Tonight I am gonna look at them more. But there is even games that aren't sealed (PAL release for example) which you can tell if they are new or not (or at less very mint) by looking at the top and box condition.

[Darren870]

This guy wont even come close to making as much money as he could.

1. He has 0 feedback, the only people that know he actually has these games are the people on these forums. Its very silly for him to start a NEW account for these. At least build up your account for a while.

2. As stated: He should be listing one item at a time, not multiple copies of the same game. Just silly.

3. Shouldn't be selling this during ebays off season. Every big ebay seller knows ebays profits drop during Q4. People are away, vactioning and dont have the money for these auctions. Got to sell them in a timily matter over halfway threw Q1 and Q2. During x-mas when people HAVE money. Foolish there.

He is too excited to sell these to make a profit and is rushing too it and loosing lots of money. I bet if he sold everything with the above conditions he could of made close to $80,000. I bet if he sells everything the way he is, he wont even make $40,000.

Greedy...

[Buyatari]

Not Mike.

Mike is in Ohio has ebay tag "VGC"

Adam

[mickoz]

For some reason, I was under impression that the NES New games fetched more in summer. Sometime I thought it was because some people were on vacation and had more "time". I could be wrong. But it was the impression I have had. But chance are it all depends who bid, who want the games badly, etc.

I asked about Mike, because rumor said he was the one buying it. So that is why I was wondering if he hasn't opened another account just for those games.

[Bronty-2]

^^ How can you guys tell which are reseals? To me they all look legit. Then again, I do not have much experience with sealed games. So please, explain so that I can arm myself with this knowledge.

well, they don't have the horizontal line, for starters..

[Bronty-2]

[quote="mickoz"]Well, are you sure it is from that lot? I would have to compare some picture, but who know. quote]

I guarantee you it's the same lot. The titles match up exactly.

[Bronty-2]

This guy wont even come close to making as much money as he could.

1. He has 0 feedback, the only people that know he actually has these games are the people on these forums. Its very silly for him to start a NEW account for these. At least build up your account for a while.

2. As stated: He should be listing one item at a time, not multiple copies of the same game. Just silly.

3. Shouldn't be selling this during ebays off season. Every big ebay seller knows ebays profits drop during Q4. People are away, vactioning and dont have the money for these auctions. Got to sell them in a timily matter over halfway threw Q1 and Q2. During x-mas when people HAVE money. Foolish there.

He is too excited to sell these to make a profit and is rushing too it and loosing lots of money. I bet if he sold everything with the above conditions he could of made close to $80,000. I bet if he sells everything the way he is, he wont even make $40,000.

Greedy...

I agree with what you're saying, but at this point, the guy has 25k or so invested in the lot. He may well need to get some of it back as soon as possible - it's not a couple bucks we're talking about here.

[mickoz]

And Dan... about my comment over the box with handtag inside the box, were they all sealed. I thought you once told me in canada they weren't but in US they seemed to be. Were those all have an horizontal line from your knowledge? Anyway the one I saw that was probably resealed from that guy did not have a perfect seal and box top. But I'm wondering about that information at the same time.

And anyone know who that guy is "exactly". If he puts 25k, he must know a little what he is doing, at less I hope.

[Darren870]

For some reason, I was under impression that the NES New games fetched more in summer. Sometime I thought it was because some people were on vacation and had more "time". I could be wrong. But it was the impression I have had. But chance are it all depends who bid, who want the games badly, etc.

Could be, however It just seems like vaction = spending money on trips and going out etc. I guess it just depends on the age. Plus people obv have more money to spend during Q1 because thats when you get most of your bonuses. Same with X-mas. If im selling a rare game or maybe just a less common (r4-6) its going on ebay early december maybe late november. I'll easily rack in more money then i would now. Save the (r1-4) for summer and everything else for winter.

[Darren870]

I agree with what you're saying, but at this point, the guy has 25k or so invested in the lot. He may well need to get some of it back as soon as possible - it's not a couple bucks we're talking about here.

Okay, yea very well true. However he still shouldn't be listing multiple auctions of the same title and deffinitly needs to save the super-rares for Q1-Q2. It would just be more logical to me. Wouldn't you agree?

[silver_surfer]

Well all those black box beautiful ones need close examination for sure from what I see. I'm no pro at seals cause I always collect cart only and a sealed box to me is a game that needs to be opened BUT I do understand the value of a sealed game and a reseal as these look to be for the most part are pretty scary to think about droping a few hundred on. Espcially with all the "background info" on these games. It almost makes you feel dirty placing a bid on these games.

Anyhow, So anyone gonna bid on the cases of games?

[Bronty-2]

And Dan... about my comment over the box with handtag inside the box, were they all sealed. I thought you once told me in canada they weren't but in US they seemed to be. Were those all have an horizontal line from your knowledge? Anyway the one I saw that was probably resealed from that guy did not have a perfect seal and box top. But I'm wondering about that information at the same time.

And anyone know who that guy is "exactly". If he puts 25k, he must know a little what he is doing, at less I hope.

Hi Mick

At least 99% of the time, the US copies, even the hangtab boxes, did come sealed in the wrap. I have several like this at home. There is an issue in my mind as to whether some US black boxes were released with just the sticker seals as I do have one or two completes that are US versions yet have the sticker. What's not clear to me is whether these were dual (sticker AND wrap) or just single (sticker only) sealed since the sticker is now opened and the wrap, if there was any, gone. I do have a stack up, and 8bitnes sold one like this too, where it is dual sealed. I've never to date seen a dual sealed title other than stack up though, and I've never seen a US black box that had a single sticker seal. So the jury's still out on that one a little bit. Still, 99%+ of the US games, even the hangtab black boxes, will have the wrap.

In canada, all the first party stuff had the black stickers, not the wrap.

[Bronty-2]

[quote="silver_surfer"]Well all those black box beautiful ones need close examination for sure from what I see. quote]

Yep, all the good titles so far are garbage copies.

[mickoz]

The only one in Canada I saw with sticker are Mattel. Actually the only one I have see with the sticker are mattel, except for a Stackup. I heard some european release did come with the sticker (if not mattel, that would be a surprise too, since I expected those being from mattel). But then Nintendo used a round sticker for their FDS new stuff too. So for the question:

1. Have you saw canadian release, not from mattel, with sticker?
2. Which title with sticker is an US release?
3. Is your US release with sticker released with Mattel?
4. Have you seen european, non mattel, with sticker?
5. The US sealed with handtag inside the box, did they have the horizontal lines?
6. If I understand well, some canadian release with handtag, had no seal from release (at less I think I heard you said that, hehe).

'nuff asked. ;-)

[Bronty-2]

1. Have you saw canadian release, not from mattel, with sticker? YES, PINBOT, ZELDA, FINAL FANTASY, any 1ST PARTY
2. Which title with sticker is an US release? GUMSHOE FOR SURE, POPEYE (? maybe? - can't remember). BUT THESE ARE COMPLETES NOT SEALED SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE DUAL WRAPPED TOO.
3. Is your US release with sticker released with Mattel? NO, REGULAR US RELEASE.
4. Have you seen european, non mattel, with sticker? HAVEN'T LOOKED.
5. The US sealed with handtag inside the box, did they have the horizontal lines? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
6. If I understand well, some canadian release with handtag, had no seal from release (at less I think I heard you said that, hehe). I NEVER SAID THAT, NOT SURE, BUT I KIND OF DOUBT IT, THE CANADIAN BLACK BOXES I HAVE ALL HAVE THE STICKER SEALS.

--nuff said :)

[mickoz]

All I can say is goddamn! ;-)

If one day we organize all that information in a coherent way (see easy to follow and find), that will be hell of interesting (see a good challenge probably). Sure we can do a big wiki, or whetever with all the information, but still organise it wells!

We gets so nuts. It will end with "what about the 2nd print version with 7.5 screwz, with white nintendo seal of quality, without the sticker, with hand tag in the box, sealed with vertical seam in the messican factory by the replacement shrinkwrap machine, that bring george, while replacement machine #1 was being repaired between 16th and 19th june 1989"... weeeeeh

[8bitnes]

And Dan... about my comment over the box with handtag inside the box, were they all sealed. I thought you once told me in canada they weren't but in US they seemed to be. Were those all have an horizontal line from your knowledge? Anyway the one I saw that was probably resealed from that guy did not have a perfect seal and box top. But I'm wondering about that information at the same time.

And anyone know who that guy is "exactly". If he puts 25k, he must know a little what he is doing, at less I hope.

I also sold Golf to another collector that was double-sealed as described above. I got it in the same lot with the Stack-Up and really had no idea what its value could have been. Sold it for $50 which is the normal F.S. Golf price, but this one likely could have gone more.

At least 99% of the time, the US copies, even the hangtab boxes, did come sealed in the wrap. I have several like this at home. There is an issue in my mind as to whether some US black boxes were released with just the sticker seals as I do have one or two completes that are US versions yet have the sticker. What's not clear to me is whether these were dual (sticker AND wrap) or just single (sticker only) sealed since the sticker is now opened and the wrap, if there was any, gone. I do have a stack up, and 8bitnes sold one like this too, where it is dual sealed. I've never to date seen a dual sealed title other than stack up though, and I've never seen a US black box that had a single sticker seal. So the jury's still out on that one a little bit. Still, 99%+ of the US games, even the hangtab black boxes, will have the wrap.

In canada, all the first party stuff had the black stickers, not the wrap.

[8bitnes]

Well all those black box beautiful ones need close examination for sure from what I see. I'm no pro at seals cause I always collect cart only and a sealed box to me is a game that needs to be opened BUT I do understand the value of a sealed game and a reseal as these look to be for the most part are pretty scary to think about droping a few hundred on. Espcially with all the "background info" on these games. It almost makes you feel dirty placing a bid on these games.

Anyhow, So anyone gonna bid on the cases of games?

This would likely be the best time to pick up that Zelda 2 or SMB 1, b/c with his feedback and timing, they may go quite low.

[mickoz]

I think I got a SMB 3 at home with double seal, but to be honnest with you, I think it is a mattel and when I did get it, I just thought it was sticker-sealed and the store just added the wrap themself. I think I saw two like that one (however maybe the same game has been trade to multiple people). And no the wrap had no h-seam from what I recall.

But it was pretty strange to see twice that case in low-time. I had some doubt the seller actually acquired that game from the original source I saw it from.

[evil_genius]

^^ How can you guys tell which are reseals? To me they all look legit. Then again, I do not have much experience with sealed games. So please, explain so that I can arm myself with this knowledge.

well, they don't have the horizontal line, for starters..

Which don't have the horizontal seem? All the ones I looked at had it.

[Bronty-2]

look at 10 yd fight, wrecking crew etc

[mickoz]

Wow, a lot of his games seem to not have the h-seam. However, a lot of those seem to have a box handtag. As mighty bomb jack -- http://www.progressphoto.com/ebay/games/P1010048.jpg .. now I'm wondering if that is store reseal or if it mights be real nintendo seal... why? The seal seem to go on some side. It seems to be pretty weak. Let me tell you a transaction I have made. A guy apparently had a cousin or brother that worked at Sunsoft, and he had a lot of games which looked and he claimed was new. I received them, they were indeed new. The seal was similar to that one... three side, very weak, some almost getting out. But it was indeed new. I also did get a bunch of manual, that guy definitely had a "sunsoft lot". I did not win or get everything he had unfortunately... but I wish I did. Apparently his cousin/brother was a game tester if I remember and had got his hand on some games...

Well "everything is possible" and chance are we will never know the exact origin of those seal. However if much of those games are in brand new state, but only the seal is different, they are still appealing (just not as much :D) -- the question will be weird if the guy has like 10 copies of the same games, sealed the same way. Either they received those games not sealed and they sealed them themself, or they received the games sealed that way.

[Buyatari]

I asked about Mike, because rumor said he was the one buying it. So that is why I was wondering if he hasn't opened another account just for those games.

Not Mike. He lives in the same area of town as I do. If he bought these I too would have a better collection.

[mickoz]

But Mike was offered it?

Also, guys, look at that one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8211012167

I find it weird that he removed the shrinkwrap (maybe to verify) -- but that it still has an handtag to the box. Don't you find it weird? He won't have added it directly to the box will he??????

[Buyatari]

This would likely be the best time to pick up that Zelda 2 or SMB 1, b/c with his feedback and timing, they may go quite low.

yeah right. with all this going on ?

Any attention is good attention. I'm sure they will sell for what they are worth and then some.

Adam

[Bronty-2]

I was thinking the same thing. He's getting a lot of free advertising.

[stuffedmonkey]

At any rate, this is going to severely depress the price of sealed NES games in the coming months.... No matter how much publicity he recieves, there will be many times more sealed games on the market vs. any point in ebay history.

The recent Alladin Deck enhanser auctions are an excellent example.

[mickoz]

That will depreciate the common title value possibly. But just check how there is a lot of the same title already (case of them). But rare title, won't depreciate. If that lot had only a few black box and a few of the really rare title, and on top of that, a lot of them doesn't have the horizontal seam, we will see.

As for Aladdin Deck Enhancer, it always seem to have sold for 70$. Maybe near 100$ before. But beside exception, I never saw it scale very high due to abondance. (Unless you talk pre- the stock find). Cheetahmen 2 was very cheap when there was a lot popping, but after some years, they got more scarce, even if a giant lot of 1000 was found and it was pretty easy to fetch one back in 2000.

In the end it is all a matter of demand and offer. If nobody want it, your item just worth what you think it worth.

But I guess if that guy auction 50-100 games at time, chance are people won't bid as much on all 100 games. Trying to get what they really want. Anyway unless those are exception, most title I would have been interested in don't have the h-seam. It will indeed be an interest one to follow.

[mickoz]

Menio for example (I almost dealed with but he was so slow on replying that I somehow never managed to pay and conclude a deal with him) -- seem to have a load of games, however he sells them slowly and at high price sometime (some are good deal, some are just twice what they usually go for, but his copies are pretty mint it seems).

[dunny668]

At any rate, this is going to severely depress the price of sealed NES games in the coming months.... No matter how much publicity he recieves, there will be many times more sealed games on the market vs. any point in ebay history.

The recent Alladin Deck enhanser auctions are an excellent example.


This is a good thing unless you are planning to sell sealed NES games in the near future.

[mickoz]

Has someone entered in contact with that seller? I will try to. I am wondering if he really had got 1400 games sealed. How many were possible reseal (like those we see) [I stay on the possible side, as we never know for all title what happened]. A list will be amazing. The amount of double will also influence it. Maybe that guy is a collector himself and is just selling the ones he doesn't want. Who know? It will sure be an interesting one to follow.

[stuffedmonkey]

Has someone entered in contact with that seller? I will try to. I am wondering if he really had got 1400 games sealed.

I emailed him just that question last night. No word back yet. If I do get an answer I'll post it here.


This is a good thing unless you are planning to sell sealed NES games in the near future.

Yup. I would love to snag something cheap :)

[Buyatari]

Etler had these from the very early days of NES collecting. I don't think there was an active era of NES collecting which you could call a "pre-stock find" era. They have always been available.


As for Aladdin Deck Enhancer, it always seem to have sold for 70$. Maybe near 100$ before. But beside exception, I never saw it scale very high due to abondance. (Unless you talk pre- the stock find).

[mickoz]

Price did go quite high, even for some title without the H-seam. Hope this guys is not a scammer! :P The thing that mostly tell me those weren't reseal, are the tengen games (alien syndrome) had a real tengen handtag (if it swas otherwise, I would have doubted way more :P)

Some good deal was there thought, but not much steal (metal gear at 4x$, pinball at 7x$ is not bad too,). I tried to win Zelda 2, but seem like people were nuts and that I am too cheap! :P

It is sad I lost that mighty bomb jack, I used to really love that game! However I did won a castlevania 2 at 46$!! :) That I guess is a still if it is in not so bad condition.

One person almost won everything (sole7rebel) and buyatari was pretty active too! Bronty was quite quiet going almost only for Athena if I am not wrong.

Actually more money in my bank account will stay there than I first thought!

[end of analysis]

I wonder if that guy will continue to sell 40+ new games each week if he has really bought the whole lot. That will be hella interesting. He contacted me, but I have heard nothing about that 1400 games deal... All he said in one email was that he has been flooded with emails. Maybe he doesn't want to answer? I am curious about it :)

[Bronty-2]

Yeah, I was serious when I said I want to cut back on my collecting. Besides, I already have almost everything he listed, and I'm much more curious about what he will list in future rounds of auctions, anyway.

$46 is pretty good for the castle2. They seem to go 75 min. Buyatari got a real nice deal on the tyson at 160 something too.

[mickoz]

Really... I remember Tyson going for 100$ back in time (2000) so for me 160-200$+ is way high. 160$ seem "not bad", I bidded around that. But 200$ I wonder. But I think there is two version, the older one might fetch higher even I guess.

Well I remember you saying you are gonna relax when you bought that Myriad, but you just cannot help yourself and still buy the interesting title :) -- I think you won some at high price lately if I am not wrong.

But that is normal after some time to only focus on what you miss, rather than buy all the deal you can find... else it become a nightmare :P I did one of those decision when I decided to focus mainly on NES. When I was searching for NES, SNES, Gameboy, VirtualBoy, PSX, etc. It was taking way too much time. eBay is evol.

[Bronty-2]

That's low for tyson, trust me. Averages around 250. I sold a couple copies for 370 each some months back (there hadn't been any listed in a while when I sold them though so there was some 'pent up' demand at that time).

And yeah, I had to relax sooner or later. I was buying everything in sight for a year or two there :)

cheers

[mickoz]

I'm buying a lot too, too much sometime... Well 300-400$ for tyson seem way high, but then I may still live in the past when I thought 100$ was high (back in 2000). I think 160$ was an ok price. Anything 250$+ for it seem high, but then it depends the demand, etc. It is like the Castlevania 2 I got, I am sure other will popup, but I have seen it goes at 250$+. It seems to be a title that juggle a lot in its price, probably due to its popularity.

Anyway at all time there seem to be someone with deep pocket bidding a load of money. ;-)

Thing are gonna go crazy also when brinn1 decide to collect "nes" too. That is the guy having a whole psx collection or something new... and he is into SNES now since sometime. He seems to have the dough$ and invest the time well.

Like we already talked -- I am wondering for example how many people have 200+ different NES sealed games. That would IMHO begin to make someone serious in NES sealed collecting. I am sure that is more than 10. ;-) trying to go fast... for sure: bronty, mickoz, buff-g, twinturbo-mike -- other?: buyatari? themoviemaverick? xyxzyxzyxzzxy (whetever his nick?)? vintagevgs (probably now hehe)?

Wasn't buff-g near a complete sealed collection from the rumor?

[Bronty-2]

I'm buying a lot too, too much sometime... Well 300-400$ for tyson seem way high, but then I may still live in the past when I thought 100$ was high (back in 2000). I think 160$ was an ok price. Anything 250$+ for it seem high, but then it depends the demand, etc. It is like the Castlevania 2 I got, I am sure other will popup, but I have seen it goes at 250$+. It seems to be a title that juggle a lot in its price, probably due to its popularity.

Anyway at all time there seem to be someone with deep pocket bidding a load of money. ;-)

Thing are gonna go crazy also when brinn1 decide to collect "nes" too. That is the guy having a whole psx collection or something new... and he is into SNES now since sometime. He seems to have the dough$ and invest the time well.

Like we already talked -- I am wondering for example how many people have 200+ different NES sealed games. That would IMHO begin to make someone serious in NES sealed collecting. I am sure that is more than 10. ;-) trying to go fast... for sure: bronty, mickoz, buff-g, twinturbo-mike -- other?: buyatari? themoviemaverick? xyxzyxzyxzzxy (whetever his nick?)? vintagevgs (probably now hehe)?

Wasn't buff-g near a complete sealed collection from the rumor?

I can only think of nine off the top of my head, that I know of. Naturally there must be others, but still - it's a pretty small amount of people.

brinn's repeatedly brought up the fact that he's never going to collect NES.

[mickoz]

brinn said that? interesting. He seems to be a crazy collector. I wonder if he was much a gamers, he told me his friends say he should play more, hehe. And to invest that much money, he is probably doing a lot and probably working a lot (or do a lot by working not much) hehe.

Anyway we never know. Unless he has good reason not to collect. I know he has been a PSX and now SNES collector and he has throw very high money for a lot of games.

There is also people are are on and off like you said about skiier addict. That seem to always be there from time to time and that make some years that they do seem to buy on ebay at less.

I wonder what will turn out to be the rarest sealed games in the end. Chance are it won't even be stadium events.

[number6]

I emailed the seller asking if the sale does not go through I would be interested in them but would be picking them up in
person

Got an answer that that would be fine but they have already
received 20K+ offers


I'm sorry, call me an asshole but if I was the seller and received $20,000+ offers after the fact I'd sell it to the higher bidder and take the negative as well. I'd trade a single neg for about $10,000 without a second thought.

This is from the same guy whining in another thread (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70687) about a seller not selling to him because the seller got a better offer offline. Talk about hypocrisy.

[SoulBlazer]

Was it REALLY needed to dredge up this old topic for a personal attack? :roll:

[Buyatari]

Was it REALLY needed to dredge up this old topic for a personal attack?

Wasn't needed. But man, it almost makes you want to believe in karma.

[number6]

Was it REALLY needed to dredge up this old topic for a personal attack? :roll:

The only reason I read this old topic is because someone put a link to this topic in this thread (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71051) I read through this old topic and noticed Griking's inconsistancy and I had to comment on it. I would not consider that a personal attack, just making a comment that's all.

[Griking]

I emailed the seller asking if the sale does not go through I would be interested in them but would be picking them up in
person

Got an answer that that would be fine but they have already
received 20K+ offers


I'm sorry, call me an asshole but if I was the seller and received $20,000+ offers after the fact I'd sell it to the higher bidder and take the negative as well. I'd trade a single neg for about $10,000 without a second thought.

This is from the same guy whining in another thread (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70687) about a seller not selling to him because the seller got a better offer offline. Talk about hypocrisy.

My complaint was that someone else who had no business getting involved got involved. I thought that I made this clear but apparantly I need to spell it out for some people. :roll:

Sure I'm pissed that the seller didn't sell me that game at the agreed upon price but I'm more pissed at the mystery person who emailed the seller.

I suppose karma could have had something to do with it though.

[DREW]

Never mind

Drew

[atwoodtm]

This seller's a son of a bitch. I won the auction under my account that's linked to my US address (I normally ship things to canada but didn't want that to be an issue) and I needed a week to pay. Big deal right? Instead he's selling it for an undisclosed amount over 20k to someone else that's promising to wire the money with zero wait. Hope he burns in hell :angry: The shitty thing is I know I'm going to upset about this one for a long time.

As anyone can probably tell I'm new to this place. I have never had a need to check out forums as I have always been able to find what I needed plus a whole lot more. I only joined this site because I was told there was a conversation on here about one of my auctions.

Recently, I decided to do some searching in some of the forums and soon I will reply to the slanderous remarks posted by Dan in another thread.

Now back to this topic. Dan knows who exactly was behind him losing this auction. :D Prior to this auction Dan had a habit of stealing others winnings on ebay by offering the seller more than what someone else might have gotten an auction ended for and/or actually won an auction for if he needed it. Dan was indescriminate and didn't care if they were ones he considered "friends."

Dan needed to be taught a lesson so to speak. "Don't do unto others you wouldn't want done to thyself." I was more than happy to help teach him this lesson... :eek 2:

http://www.atwoodcs.com

[Adol]

What i know is that Dan Maresca/Bronty has always been a gentleman,acted nicely,and packed his stuff well

You,if you're well atwoodtm on Ebay,treat people like a piece of shit,and don't deserve ANY respect.

[Hounder]

Did anyone save the pics? I want to see them :) I completely missed the auction back in July.