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Anthony1
08-07-2005, 01:15 AM
Ok, we are going to take a look at the decade of the 1990's and vote on the worst "major" game system of the decade.

This is sure to start quite a bit of discussion and arguing.


Could be very interesting.


Now, let me explain what I mean by "major". Basically, what I mean is that we aren't going to consider the minor and insignificant consoles of the 1990's. I would love to include them, but the inherent problem with doing that, is that it gives people an easy out. If we only can choose from the major systems, it means that some systems that have a nice fan base are going to get trashed. And that makes for some intriguing discussion.


So here we go..........



Make your vote, and make it an honest, legitimate vote. Try to avoid the fanboyism.

PDorr3
08-07-2005, 01:20 AM
this topic is looking for trouble :P

I really liked all of the systems on the list, none of them SUCKED, but out of the list I would haveto say 32x was the worst. Only a handful of games worth playing, and no killer aps, and a small library of games that only some pushed the systems power.

DigitalSpace
08-07-2005, 01:22 AM
I voted for the Atari Jaguar. That system had more crap on it than gems. Tempest 2000 was good, and just about everything else sucked. My cousin owned one back in the day, and I remember that he didn't keep it too long.

stressboy
08-07-2005, 01:26 AM
My experience with some of the things on that list is extremely limited, but I would have to say Jaguar.

Most of the other systems seem to get a lot of great reviews, but the Jag, most people only mention Tempest 2000 as the game to have.

om3ga
08-07-2005, 01:32 AM
Def'n the Jaguar.

I use to buy these atari games from this home business that sold atari products and the lady had a test system for Jaguar there ( it wasn't out for like another month ) and she was going on about how it is going to blow other systems away and its the top of the line technology. Anyways I tried this thing out, and what a POS. I was like the SNES is already out and it owns this thing badly .....

Anthony1
08-07-2005, 01:33 AM
I also want to say that I actually enjoy all of these systems quite a bit. Some for weird reasons, but I enjoy them all.


Of course, having said that, it was very easy for me to vote 32X.

That system blew some Campbells chunky noodle if you ask me.





That was a system that just left me feeling used and abused.




Still, I have a nice little collection of 32X carts, and I hope to get more in the near future! But still, it did suck.

Lemmy Kilmister
08-07-2005, 01:40 AM
I don't know if you can call some of these "systems". A couple of them were just add ons to the Genesis. will, whatever, the 32X still gets me vote for crappest system of the 90's. I mean, did it even have one game that was truly worth buying and playing for it? Atleast the 3DO had Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo going for it. But the 32X?

Mattiekrome
08-07-2005, 01:48 AM
I am going to have to go with the 3DO. I have never played the 32X or Jag, but I know my sisters boyfriend bought the 3DO back during its time, and man did it suck! IMO the best thing it had going for it was "alone in the dark". I would actually sit there and play GEN MK over anything 3DO

AlexKidd
08-07-2005, 01:48 AM
I'm going to give the 32x another vote. The Jaguar wasn't the greatest but there were a few good games like AvP,Tempest 2k,Raiden etc. I pretty much hated every game on the the 32x. Kolibri looks decent but i've never played it. Also the Jaguar had a larger game library and better graphics.

Cryomancer
08-07-2005, 01:49 AM
Chatoix is probably my favorite Sonic game, and Sonic's not even playable. It's worth it. I bought it back then at release, and it's still worth it, damnit.

I voted playstation, it's got a couple games I like, but...just one of those "kill the sega console" systems, but that's opinion of course.

emumuumuucowgomoo
08-07-2005, 02:05 AM
Now, let me explain what I mean by "major". Basically, what I mean is that we aren't going to consider the minor and insignificant consoles of the 1990's. I would love to include them, but the inherent problem with doing that, is that it gives people an easy out. If we only can choose from the major systems, it means that some systems that have a nice fan base are going to get trashed. And that makes for some intriguing discussion.


Ummm.. *coughs*

3DO + Jaguar = "major"... GBC + Virtual Boy != "major"?




So here we go..........



Make your vote, and make it an honest, legitimate vote. Try to avoid the fanboyism.

Well... no way would I consider the Genesis or SNES. Period. Anyone who does is either sick in the head or a criminal, possibly both.

The 32X and Sega CD weren't really "systems" in my eyes. They were add on upgrades to the Genesis. Otherwise, the 32X would have been in contention.

The Jaguar and 3DO were both tempting - but they came out during a dearth of console gaming (remember, this was when everyone was "wowed" by Myst and the market had a GLUT of these terrible awful slideshow games - the first major crushing blow to the Adventure game), and both managed some pretty neat stuff (Penn and Teller LOL, Panic! (which one videogame magazine, I think it was the grand and mighty "Videogames", gave a 1 to)) and they both have one "killer ap" (Tempest 2000, Gex). So, no.

The N64 was INCREDIBLY tempting, and I'm actually wishing now I could go back and change my vote. However, it had Mario, and Mario loves everyone, he is a plumber, he fights the Koopas, GO MARIO GO GO GO!

Meanwhile, the Sega Saturn has absolutely nothing that I can't play on a current gen system (Panzer Dragoon, NiGHTS into English Class? UH REZ THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH WAIT, YOU HAVE KING OF FIGHTERS which I have for Dreamcast... but that Radiant Silvergun would look pretty good, if, you know, it wasn't $100), plus controllers that were almost as bad as the N64, PLUS it was giant and bulky, PLUS it was expensive, and in addition to all of that...








...Virtua Fighter sucked.

Meh. I should have really voted for the N64. Damn it damn it damn it. Well... umm... at least it has four controller ports (he said, in an attempt to rationalize the evil he had just committed). I mean...


*sighs*

Yeah, Sega Saturn had a couple cool 3D fighters. Virtua Fighter Kids and Fighters Megamix.

...of course, N64 had Super Smash Brothers, plus it also had... um... you know, a bunch of sad DOOM clones that weren't as fun as everyone said they were, even played on a giant screen (MATH CLASS: 1/4TH of a GIANT screen = STILL A PRETTY SMALL WINDOW TO FIGHT IN THERE BILL). Oh, and a lot of happy DOOM clones where instead of shooting things you were bouncing on their heads and casting magick spells. I LOVE MAGICK LONG LIVE N64 SATURN SUX.











(yeah, I should have voted N64)

-hellvin-
08-07-2005, 02:16 AM
Hmm...I think the 32x system has two or three games worth playing, but I'm not gonna pick it cause it's an add on and wasn't an all out base design failure such as....

The Jaguar. Just pure crap. I can't really say much else. I just hate it. After that I would probably give second place to the Neo Geo CD. You will be watching juggling monkeys forever. For simple shooters and platformers though, it works well. 3rd place would probably be 3DO. Lots of shit, but I do like a lot of games on it.

Anthony1
08-07-2005, 02:21 AM
Yeah, voting for the Saturn was a big mistake.


There are a number of systems on that list that definitely should walk away from this with no votes, but people are going to be bold and sometimes choose a system for shock value.





In regards to the take that the 32X and Sega CD weren't systems, I totally disagree with that.



Sure, technically they were add-on's, but they had their own unique and private, game librarys.

To play a Sega CD game, you needed a Sega CD, and that was the only way you could play it.


To play 32X games, you needed a 32X, and that was the only way you would play 32X games.





Both of those "SYSTEMS" have a unique flavor that is all their own, and they should be treated as unique systems by themselves.


I could have put Neo Geo cart and Neo Geo CD as seperate systems, and I could have put a TG-16 and a turboDuo as seperate systems, but I just didn't want the list to go on forever.

Bluteg
08-07-2005, 02:51 AM
I voted for 3DO... I actually like quite a few of the Jaguar and 32X titles so I couldn't vote for either of those two.

evildead2099
08-07-2005, 03:14 AM
3DO has Road Rash and Killing Time...

Jaguar has Tempest and Alien Vs. Predator....

I'll have to go with the 32X, seeing as how you didn't include the Nintendo Virtual Boy as an option

Those jokers who voted DC: Justify your choice. Seriously.

Push Upstairs
08-07-2005, 04:34 AM
I voted N64. (Like anyone is shocked)

Terrible controller, blurry games, fog abound.

A shameful way for the cartridge format to go out on.

Oh, did i mention i hate that friggin controller?

mizarkgram
08-07-2005, 04:48 AM
Me no Likey Sega CD.... then again.. I havent really tested it its selection as much as I have some of the other systems, and I held my judgement for systems I havent played yet (Like the 32X and Neo Geos)

Lothars
08-07-2005, 05:10 AM
Well I voted Sega Cd, but I agree none of the systems sucked

I actualyl was looking for the 32x on the poll and skipped by it, so that's why i voted for the sega cd, o well it's all good

but I think that the 32x was the worst system because of the games were mediocre and really nothing special on it. pretty dissapointing systemish thing it was.

Ernster
08-07-2005, 05:47 AM
Without a shadow of a doubt, the PS1, how could this system beat out Nintendo's, Ill never quite understand, where were people's heads back then...*shakes head in disgust"

When PSX was out all I saw was:

A huge library of games containing 99% of crap
Slooooow, annoying, stupid loading times
Bad, pixelated graphics, god they were awful
A controller that was just a bunch of ideas copied by the N64
Only 2 controller ports


PSX was the suckiest of the lot, :angry:

jajaja
08-07-2005, 06:00 AM
I have no idea acctualy. I havnt tried half of these consoles (like 32x, turbo duo, sega cd, 3do, jaguar). But I guess most of these never "made it".

I did try saturn some months ago and that sucked compared to PSX, atleast the 3d games. But I guess Saturn was great back in the days :)

MetroidFan1164
08-07-2005, 06:02 AM
The Atari Jaguar was just plain bad... crap like Club Drive made me wonder if they wanted to fail.

jajaja
08-07-2005, 06:08 AM
Without a shadow of a doubt, the PS1, how could this system beat out Nintendo's, Ill never quite understand, where were people's heads back then...*shakes head in disgust"

When PSX was out all I saw was:

A huge library of games containing 99% of crap
Slooooow, annoying, stupid loading times
Bad, pixelated graphics, god they were awful
A controller that was just a bunch of ideas copied by the N64
Only 2 controller ports


PSX was the suckiest of the lot, :angry:

Im not going to argue with your taste of course, but saying that the PSX controller ideas was ripped from the n64 is wrong. PSX was first released in japan x-mas 1994 while the N64 was released summer 1996 in USA. That is 1½ years later than the PSX. So how could you see that the controller was "ripped" from N64 when it wasnt even released before 1½ years later? :P

Ernster
08-07-2005, 06:18 AM
Dont worry Im not here to argue, just answered the topics question as honestly as I could.

To answere your question, yes of course the PS1 controller was released before N64, I was reffering to the rumble and analog stick that Sony added to the PS1 controller when N64 was released.

cr0n0
08-07-2005, 07:18 AM
Jaguar all the way, no doubt about it. The only game I liked was alien vs. predator. I actually laughed when a CD add-on was released.

njiska
08-07-2005, 08:20 AM
I like sega but come on, what the hell were they thinking when they released the 32x. Horribly overpriced, undersupported and it came out at the worst time. I mean the saturn was just over the horizon. Terrible.

importaku
08-07-2005, 09:07 AM
Without a shadow of a doubt, the PS1, how could this system beat out Nintendo's, Ill never quite understand, where were people's heads back then...*shakes head in disgust"

When PSX was out all I saw was:

A huge library of games containing 99% of crap
Slooooow, annoying, stupid loading times
Bad, pixelated graphics, god they were awful
A controller that was just a bunch of ideas copied by the N64
Only 2 controller ports


PSX was the suckiest of the lot, :angry:

Im not going to argue with your taste of course, but saying that the PSX controller ideas was ripped from the n64 is wrong. PSX was first released in japan x-mas 1994 while the N64 was released summer 1996 in USA. That is 1½ years later than the PSX. So how could you see that the controller was "ripped" from N64 when it wasnt even released before 1½ years later? :P

Nope sony indeed didnt rip off the N64 controller, they ripped of the snes controller. :D

They just added 2 extra shoulder buttons & that was it.

I voted for Jaguar, a total hunk of shit with the crappest generic games you can find. Even tempest isnt enough to redeem itself.

Wish i could have voted twice as 3D0 would have been voted for too.

ig88vsbobafett
08-07-2005, 09:09 AM
Ok Who ever voted for the dreamcast i am comming over to kick some ass

swlovinist
08-07-2005, 09:16 AM
For the most part, Atari Jaguar in my opinion was a piece of crap. It had a few games like Tempest, and Alien vs. Predator, but a couple of games dont make me want to go out and love the system. I have the system, I have 30+ games for the system, and the piece of shit sits on my shelf and watches me play others :D. When I play the 32X over any other system, something is wrong....

starchildskiss78
08-07-2005, 09:19 AM
Another vote for Jaguar....

It just didn't have anything that I really felt justified the ridiculous price they were charging for the thing when it came out. At least the 3DO looked cool from what I had seen of it in a video rental store. The SNES/Genesis were no brainers (even though Sega came out with the 32x and the Sega CD which didn't live up to their potential...those systems still had some nice games.) The Saturn wasn't really designed as a 3D powerhouse but it still had it's fair share of good games (Astal for example is beautifully done and I loved playing Daytona USA back in the day....still do. Also, can't beat being able to check email on it!) The Dreamcast should have lived longer. It had a lot of potential and I believe it got screwed by Sega's past "mistakes." The N64 is a decent system. It's not the greatest out there but at least there's more than a handful of games which provide entertainment. The Sony Playstation also is a good system...it was the system that got me back gaming after almost totally giving up on it. As for the Turbo and Neo Geo I don't have sufficient experience with those to really comment on them. There...that was my two cents :)

jajaja
08-07-2005, 09:45 AM
Without a shadow of a doubt, the PS1, how could this system beat out Nintendo's, Ill never quite understand, where were people's heads back then...*shakes head in disgust"

When PSX was out all I saw was:

A huge library of games containing 99% of crap
Slooooow, annoying, stupid loading times
Bad, pixelated graphics, god they were awful
A controller that was just a bunch of ideas copied by the N64
Only 2 controller ports


PSX was the suckiest of the lot, :angry:

Im not going to argue with your taste of course, but saying that the PSX controller ideas was ripped from the n64 is wrong. PSX was first released in japan x-mas 1994 while the N64 was released summer 1996 in USA. That is 1½ years later than the PSX. So how could you see that the controller was "ripped" from N64 when it wasnt even released before 1½ years later? :P

Nope sony indeed didnt rip off the N64 controller, they ripped of the snes controller. :D

They just added 2 extra shoulder buttons & that was it.

I voted for Jaguar, a total hunk of shit with the crappest generic games you can find. Even tempest isnt enough to redeem itself.

Wish i could have voted twice as 3D0 would have been voted for too.

Ye hehe. Genesis ripped off NES controller. They just added a C button and removed the select button. And the SNES controller was ripped from the SMS controller. They just added some more buttons ;)

DDCecil
08-07-2005, 10:24 AM
3D0 had Icebreaker and an awesome port of SSF2T.

N64 had Goemon's Great Adventure, which only idiotic fools will never, ever recognize or mention.

Jaguar had an awesome port of Wolfenstein 3D, plus Tempest 2000 and Alien vs Predator

Sega CD - Snatcher. Popful Mail. Lunar 1 and 2. Time Gal :D. Basically all the games that go over $15 on eBay. The system doesn't only have crappy FMV games like everyone seems to think :roll: .

Saturn - Kickass imports.

PSX - Ditto. IS: Internal Section > You and your mama

32X had... um... well... That's my vote. Not even Kobrili or Tempo could save it for me.

Griking
08-07-2005, 11:56 AM
I voted 32x. The game library that it eventually had never justified purchasing the 32x hardware at full retail price.

imanerd0011
08-07-2005, 11:59 AM
How can anyone vote for N64 or Playstation on this list? Both of those systems have many classics (esp. N64) and are both considered great systems.
On the other hand, the 3DO (which I voted for) and the Jaguar are both considered a joke. Neither have a game that is even memorable, let alone a classic. I guess some people like the systems that everyone else couldn't care less about, but this is just a stretch. :roll:

Captain Wrong
08-07-2005, 01:52 PM
32x, 3D0 and the Jag were "major" systems? Huh, who knew?

Push Upstairs
08-07-2005, 02:04 PM
I still can't figure out why the Sega CD is on the list. Add-on's are *MAJOR* systems?

And i can vote for the N64 (but i see i wasnt the only one) because it's the only *actual* MAJOR game system that i really just don't care for.

I've never played an N64 game that didnt leave me wishing for some better controller than the one designed for that system. I hate the button placement and i really hate that goddamn stick being in the center of the controller. I suppose it'd be ok if i had the hands of an 8 yr old, but i don't.

I did find Doom 64 to be interesting, but once again the systems fault lies in its controller.

ClassicGameTrader
08-07-2005, 03:34 PM
I voted for the Atari Jaguar however I most certainly would of voted for the Phillips CDI had it been an option in this poll

evil_genius
08-07-2005, 04:32 PM
I voted Sega CD but I wanna change it to 32x. The thing sucks. I have not played any games that i have enjoyed. Maybe I am playing the wrong games. But Knuckles Chaotix probably rocks, never played it. Sega CD at least had some good RPG's.

smokehouse
08-07-2005, 06:04 PM
Another vote for the N64. I was all about this system back in 1995. “Playstation? Pile of crap!!!” That’s what you’d hear me spout off from time to time (yep, I’m now a converted Nintendo fanboy). That’s up until I bought one. One week is all it took for me to return the clumsy thing and get a Playstation. I would not have anther N64 in my house until Paper Mario came out. I hate the controller, and like Push said, I can’t stand the blurry “anti aliased” graphics. Most of the titles were sub par when compared to what was on the PS1 and when it came to the big Nintendo titles like Zelda and Mario, I for one couldn’t stand them. It’s all personal opinions but because of the HUGE amount of press this thing got and the long wait Nintendo made us go through back then, it just wasn’t enough.

I never expected much from the ill-fated Jaguar and 3DO or the niche market Turbo Duo and Neo Geo. I thought the N64 had bigger shoes to fill and simply put, came up miles short.

Famidrive-16
08-07-2005, 06:07 PM
Okay who's the silly fox who voted snes omg :roll:

32X. I haven't even played mine... well, I can't even hook the darn thing up, actually...

Lemmy Kilmister
08-07-2005, 06:22 PM
Sega CD - Snatcher. Popful Mail. Lunar 1 and 2. Time Gal :D. Basically all the games that go over $15 on eBay. The system doesn't only have crappy FMV games like everyone seems to think :roll: .

I'm with you. I don't know why so many people are dogging the Sega CD seeing as it actually had a fairly decent amount of good games on it. Have the people that voted for it even bothered playing a game on it before? I mean last time I checked both the Lunars, Popful Mail, Robo Aleste, Sonic CD, Shining Force CD, Keio Flying Squadron and Snatcher were all good games.

XxMe2NiKxX
08-07-2005, 06:57 PM
I voted the playstation as opposed to the jaguar because, unlike the jaguar, Playstation had the lisences and still managed to screw it up.

Kejoriv
08-07-2005, 07:08 PM
I went with the Jaguar. Im too tired to list my reasons. LOL

diskoboy
08-07-2005, 08:36 PM
Ouch! My kitty's taking a beating! LOL

I voted 3D0. Overpriced. All-out crap for games. Sorry, Mr. Hawkins. It sounded alot better on paper.

I would've voted CD-i..... :D

Actually my 2nd choice would be the Playstation. Just wasn't a fan of 95% the games. (sorry! don't kill me!)

I was one of those rare people who actually liked his Jag, even though he wanted to kill himself after the price fell from $249 to $99 in just a 2-3 weeks time, and all the good upcoming games got canned, at the same time. The port of Rayman (which I still have, even though my jag was stolen several years ago! LOL ) blew the PSX port out of the water! Can't tell on the Saturn version. Never played it.)

ae.tc
08-07-2005, 09:09 PM
Ok Who ever voted for the dreamcast i am comming over to kick some ass

I'm with ya! .. this thread really is trouble. :deadhorse:

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cityside75
08-08-2005, 12:12 AM
I said the N64 mainly because it threatened my videogaming credibility with family and friends. When Playstation started selling like wildfire, I clung to my SNES and promised everyone that the next Nintendo system was going to blow it away. After all, it was going to be based on some professional graphics supercomputer or something.

When it finally came out, I waited for the non-platform gaming genres to fill out, and waited...and waited...and finally sold the system and got a Playstation like everyone else had...and enjoyed it for years and years. To this day some of my casual videogaming friends still bring it up! :angry:

Slimedog
08-08-2005, 12:33 AM
I would say 32x with the Jag running a distant second. Only the 32x was totally berieft of excellent titles. "Good" was as high as those puppies went and there weren't a lot of those. If I had to pick the biggest failure from this period not on the list, I would go with the Pippen.

Retsudo
08-08-2005, 12:51 AM
Out of all the bad ones on the list theres only 1 I own.
That would be the Sega Cd. It's in the back of the closet where its going to stay until someone buys it from me.

Anthony1
08-08-2005, 12:55 AM
It's pretty shocking that somebody actually voted for the SNES as the worst of the 90's, considering pound for pound it's the best system on a planet called Earth.


But....


I'm actually more shocked that this many people could vote for Playstation as the worst. Now that is just blatant anti-Sony Fanboyism at it's purest form. I hate Sony just as much as everybody else, but voting the PSone as the worst is absolutely laughable. I mean, that was the system that had Oddworld: Abe's Oddysse, and Wipeout, and the first Resident Evil, and one of the best versions of Doom, and Crash Bandicoot and Loaded and Assault Rigs and Klonoa and Einhander and NBA Live '96 and Metal Gear Solid, etc, etc, etc.





The 3DO had alot of really horrible games, no question, but people are forgetting all the great games that system had. They are also forgetting that in 1993 and 1994, the 3DO was so far ahead of everything else technologically wise, that it was some damn impressive kit at the time, Mate.

The 3DO had the best ever version of Out of This World and Wolfenstein 3D. Some even argue that the 3DO had the best version of Flashback: Quest for Identity. Fans of the full motion video genre (few as they are) tend to feel that the video quality and sound quality of Night Trap 3DO and Sewer Shark 3DO look vastly superior to their Sega CD brethren. Then you had the games like Road Rash. Remember the first Road Rash for 3DO? That shit was pimp! Don't even trip. Man, I played Crash N Burn in December 1993, and that was the most next level experience I have ever had. Sure, ultimately, that game isn't very good, but you have to understand what was out in Dec 93. I mean, a game like Crash N Burn in 1993 looked light years ahead of anything else. When Slayer first hit the 3DO, that was a true 3D RPG action game, that came out of nowhere, and was incredibly ambitious, and didn't quite work on all levels, but still was pretty damn impressive for very early 1994. Escape From Monster Manor? A freaking classic if you ask me. Pretty damn simple, but it was an amazing game for it's time. Fifa Soccer on the 3DO? Talk about Next Level. The sounds in that game were totally revolutionary compared to any previous sports game. Remember Slam N Jam 95? When this game first came out, you had gigantic, realistic looking basketball players running around, and it was totally amazing. Sure when NBA Live 96' hit for the Playstation the following year, it made Slam N Jam 95 look weak, but initially Slam N Jam made you think you had a real arcade machine at home. True Arcade or even better than arcade quality graphics for the home.







THE 32X SHOULD BE WINNING THIS VOTE IN A LANDSLIDE!

Anthony1
08-08-2005, 01:00 AM
Out of all the bad ones on the list theres only 1 I own.
That would be the Sega Cd. It's in the back of the closet where its going to stay until someone buys it from me.



Ok, how bout $20 shipped?

Famidrive-16
08-08-2005, 01:22 AM
I said the N64 mainly because it threatened my videogaming credibility with family

"You got a 64? Okay then, you're GROUNDED!" :roll:

Seriously, what the hell kind of friend/family entires you solely on a game system? All my friends at the time chose the Playstation over the 64 but it didn't mean I was gonna get house arrest over the fact I had a 64.

Besides, the Saturn was the system that made you the loser. :)

hahhahahaha ok j/k

Anthony1
08-08-2005, 01:29 AM
Wow TurboDuo and Genesis only two systems to not get any votes.


That's much love. I sure as hell would never give either of those systems a vote.

classicvidgamer
08-08-2005, 02:01 AM
This was tough. I like all the systems mentioned. I'm just a big video game geek. I like to find the good stuff and concentrate on that for any given system. Plus I just love collecting video games in general so I'll buy just about anything except for sports games. Oh and maybe RPG's. Not a big fan of those.

That said I voted for the 32x. Besides the Star Wars game and Shadow Squadron, I didn't get excited about much on the system. If the Virtual Boy had been a choice I would have voted for that.

I actually liked what few 3DO games I played such as Road Rash and Need for Speed. There were a few more that I wanted to play that got decent reviews such as Return Fire, PO'ed and Samurai Shodown but the price of the machine kept me far, far away!

The Jag is another system that i like for some great games. Everyone always mentions Temptest 2000 and Alien vs Predator but I also really liked Iron Soldier 1 and Iron Soldier 2 CD, plus Rayman, Cannon Fodder and a great version of Doom (minus the sometimes annoying music though).

TEXASGAMEPLAYER
08-08-2005, 08:28 AM
to all of you who say 32X has no worthwhile games, I say take a look at "SHADOW SQAUDRON" one of my top 10 games of all time!!!

chrisbid
08-08-2005, 09:34 AM
the CDi is not on this poll, and it was by far the worst.

*plays Eugene Levy's Wacky World of Miniature Golf*

fishsandwich
08-08-2005, 10:09 AM
PSX was the suckiest of the lot, :angry:

So... you'd rather play the Jag's, 32x's, or 3DO's 10 best games as opposed to the 10 best games for the PSX?

Have fun, man.

LOL

I voted 32x. I've got every game for it, but I'd take the 10 best PSX games over the 10 best 32x games any day. You can have some fun with a 32x or Jag, but come on... people think these things are better than a PSX or SNES? Fanboy drama I say.

:roll:

sabre2922
08-08-2005, 10:27 AM
I had to vote for the N64 after much debate.

It was tied with th 32X and Jag but I happen to like the jag and didnt think it was a bad system just not many great games were released for it within its short lifespan and I dont consider the 32X as a "major system" it was an add on and even Sega stated that it was a stop-gap between 16-bit and 32-bit.

A few quick reason for my N64 vote: first if it wasnt for Nintendo and RARE this would have been one of the most hated systems ever released IMO.

Sure in the beginning the N64 started out of the gate with all cylinders firing but it was only becuase of ONE title MARIO64 then came the first looooong drought of terrible to subpar games wich would eventually become the norm for the rest of this systems life.

Second: the cheesy fog filled fuzzy a$$ graphics :angry: the majority of games on this system had so much "fog" to cover the insane amounts of pop-up it looked like everygame was smoothered and hidden or something :roll:

To this day ppl and even some gamers try to point out how much more powerful the N64 was than the PSone but with both the cartridge format and the badly designed machine itself (well compared to the easy-to-develop-for PSX) I never saw that it was all that powerful and was only really impressed by the Nintendo and RARE developed games.

last but not least: THE FREAKIN CONTROLLER :frustrated:sure I might be :deadhorse: here but I would rather use a Jag controller for 24 straight hours playing fight for life on Jaguar than be put through ONE MORE HOUR OF GAMEPLAY ON THE N64 CONTROLLER.
Dead anolog sticks that give way after very little use terrible buttons sure the Z button was kool but those damn "arrow" buttons were like pressing a rock into your thumb :angry:

so I vote for N64 maybe because it was the biggest dissapointment in my gaming life or for the simple fact that this was a very poorly designed and developed system with the worse controller ever made by my beloved Nintendo.

ULTRA64 Hell yeah! :rocker: N64 Hell no!

all of the great promise and hype that me and my friends believed in back in the day when playing the incredible Killer Instinct on the ULTRA64 hardware and Nintendos promises was just a hint at what their new console would deliver never materialized and was complete bullshit in my opinion.

sabre2922
08-08-2005, 10:34 AM
Ok Who ever voted for the dreamcast i am comming over to kick some ass

I second that LOL Ill meet you in the car ;)

Captain Wrong
08-08-2005, 12:05 PM
I'm actually more shocked that this many people could vote for Playstation as the worst. Now that is just blatant anti-Sony Fanboyism at it's purest form. I hate Sony just as much as everybody else, but voting the PSone as the worst is absolutely laughable. I mean, that was the system that had Oddworld: Abe's Oddysse, and Wipeout, and the first Resident Evil, and one of the best versions of Doom, and Crash Bandicoot and Loaded and Assault Rigs and Klonoa and Einhander and NBA Live '96 and Metal Gear Solid, etc, etc, etc.

If you're shocked, you haven't been paying attention to the general attitude of a lot of people on this board. Sony (and it's better if you spell it with $ like $ony because we all know Nintendo is making games for strictly altruistic reasons) is not only Satan, Hitler and bin Lande but they eat kittys and kick puppies. Or maybe that's the other way around. Anytime you give people a chance to pick Sony...err $ony...as "worst of," people will do it just because it's Sony.

Man, I miss the good old days when people cared more about games than systems and their makers.

cityside75
08-08-2005, 01:47 PM
I said the N64 mainly because it threatened my videogaming credibility with family

"You got a 64? Okay then, you're GROUNDED!" :roll:

Seriously, what the hell kind of friend/family entires you solely on a game system? All my friends at the time chose the Playstation over the 64 but it didn't mean I was gonna get house arrest over the fact I had a 64.

Besides, the Saturn was the system that made you the loser. :)

hahhahahaha ok j/k

"threatened my videogaming credibility" - no mention of punishment or house arrest here... O_O

All I meant was that I'm considered the videogame expert by my family and friends, and when I hyped the N64 up as the next big thing and bypassed the Playstation to wait for it, we all expected more than we got. A lot of my friends were fighting game fans back then and some of them had bought Playstations for Tekken, etc. The first year of the N64 brought Mortal Kombat Trilogy, KI Gold, and Fighters Destiny x_x . So when I finally sold it and got a Playstation I received some "good-natured ribbing" from some friends.

zmweasel
08-08-2005, 03:34 PM
Man, I miss the good old days when people cared more about games than systems and their makers.

Those days never existed. There's been fanboyism since the Atari 2600 and the Mattel Intellivision.

-- Z.

chrisbid
08-08-2005, 03:54 PM
Man, I miss the good old days when people cared more about games than systems and their makers.

Those days never existed. There's been fanboyism since the Atari 2600 and the Mattel Intellivision.

-- Z.


it always goes back to george plimpton... basturd :angry:

Gamereviewgod
08-08-2005, 04:13 PM
Jaguar, no question. Some slight enjoyment here, but not much.

Captain Wrong
08-08-2005, 05:05 PM
Man, I miss the good old days when people cared more about games than systems and their makers.

Those days never existed. There's been fanboyism since the Atari 2600 and the Mattel Intellivision.

-- Z.

Funny about that, back in those days my friend with the Intellivision didn't rag on me because I had a 2600. We just enjoyed the fact that we could play different games at each other's houses. Not to say that fanboys didn't exist back then, but things sure as hell weren't like they are now.

diskoboy
08-08-2005, 05:22 PM
Wow TurboDuo and Genesis only two systems to not get any votes.


That's much love. I sure as hell would never give either of those systems a vote.

I was gonna say the exact same thing last night, when the tg-16 had zero votes. That was a good little "underdog" system. I could see why hardly anyone would pick the Genesis...The best console for shmups, period. And of course, there's Sonic.. It's add-ons are a whole other story.. LOL

howdoin
08-08-2005, 05:40 PM
voted 32X

A lot of people here seem to vote Jaguar just because of hear-say but do not realize that at the time :

- Alien Vs Predator : revolutionnary killer app
- Tempest 2000 : addictive killer app
- Doom : best port ever
- Iron Soldier 1 and 2 anyone?
- Val D'Isere Skying : that was SSX before SSX
- Rayman : ... was supposed to be an exclusive... still a gem anyway
- the bundled game was the first game ever to allow free roaming in your entirely 3D environment with gouraud shading... bad game but still impressive.
- the VLM blue away everybody who saw it.
- + lots of fun little games like : Attack of the Mutant Penguins, DinoDudes, Theme Park, Syndicate, Rayden...
- CD add on with Myst, Highlander

Jaguar is more the #1 missed opportunity than the worst system of the 90's.

davepesc
08-08-2005, 06:31 PM
I voted 32X even though I would agree that it is not a *major* system, but an add-on. Having distinct games, as was pointed out before, does not make this a separate console.

Super Nintendo: Come on, this was a great system, even though I very rarely play it anymore.

Sega Genesis: Now this is what I'm talking about. The finest video game system ever made.

3DO This is a contender. Not much here I ever cared for. The more I think, this might be worse than 32X because if I have a 32X, at least I can still play Genesis games. With this, I just have crap.

Neo-Geo/Neo Geo CD: Never played, but Metal Slug and those fighters look sweet.

Sega 32X: OK, what do we have here? Terrible version of Doom? Check? Poor craftsmanship that makes games freeze? Check. Games that look like they couldn't have been done on the Genny..... Hello?.....Anyone?

Atari Jaguar: Crap, but AvP, T2K and Visual Light save it.

Sega CD: Very underrated, I see. Lunar? Rocks. Popful Mail? Roxors. Silpheed? Ugly, but Roxx. Hell, these games looked like they couldn't be done on the Genesis, but it only added a few effects, as opposed to the 32X, which supposedly doubled the power of the Genny.

TurboDuo: TG16 had Military Madness, assuming you can still play this on Turbo Duo, it stays.

Sega Saturn I never really played Saturn. Hell, I've OWNED one for months and still never set it up. From what I hear, might be a contender.

Playstation: No way, The graphics may not have aged well, but I had a LOT of fun with this.

Nintendo 64: Not great, but I have a collection of 35 games, 30 of which are really worthwhile. I don't really want any more games for this, but there are some gems.

Sega Dreamcast: Don't hit me, please, but I'm not a DC guy. I hated Shenmue. Didn't care about PSO. I'm not saying the system (loud as it is) was no good, just not my thing.

So there you go; 32X or 3do.
Hmmm, should we be worried about the 360 or PS3?

studvicious
08-08-2005, 06:48 PM
N64

I completely agree with sabre2922's last post. The N64 is what made me loose interest in videogames altogether. It wasn't until I bought a Playstation a year or two later that I regained my interest.

I've loved Nintendo ever since the NES, the SNES is my favorite system of all time.. and I really love the Gamecube. But N64?? Total piece of crap.

CRV
08-08-2005, 07:17 PM
Those days never existed.

I don't suppose anybody was fighting over which Home Pong clone was better.

Anthony1
08-08-2005, 08:10 PM
Wow, I'm kinda suprised that the Jag has such a commanding lead in this poll.


I'm also kinda suprised that the 32X is 3rd behind the 3DO and Jag. The 32X should be winning this poll in a landslide.



As for the Jag, I will admit that the Jag does indeed suck, but it doesn't suck as bad as the 32X. Not even close. The Jag actually had a few redeeming games. The 32X didn't have squat. And don't bring up Knuckles Chaotix, because that game is pretty damn lame. I'm a huge fan of the Sonic games, and I have to say of all the 2D games in the Sonic Universe, Knuckles Chaotix is the worst.


Now I have talked alot of smack about the Jaguar in the past. I've talked about how I think the Jag is much closer to 16-bit than 64-bit. I've talked about how the Jag isn't much more advanced than the Super Nintendo. I've talked about how alot of Jag games could have easily been done on the Super Nintendo, but let's not forget that the Jag did have a few pretty good games.

It had an awesome version of Doom. Many people feel that the Playstation version of Doom is much better, because the PSone version has music and the Jag doesn't, and I probably agree with those sentiments, but the Jag version of doom was damn good. Way, way, way better than the 32X version of Doom. Then you have Aliens Vs. Predator. AVP was the one Jag game that actually made you think that this system could really be 64-bit. That game kicked major ass when it first came out. It was definitely next level entertainment at that time. The 32X doesn't have any game even remotely close to AVP. Then you have Cybermorph. Some people don't care for Cybermorph, they don't see the beauty in it, but I sure do. Cybermorph is an absolute classic that is tremendously underrated. It had a really good version of Raiden, a very fun overhead racer in Power Drive Rally. Iron Soldier definitely was better than Metal Head.


The Jag was definitely a crappy machine, I'm not going to argue that, but it had SOME redeeming games.

The 32X didn't have any.



By the way, the only reason the 3DO is in second, is because alot of people haven't really sampled what the 3DO has to offer, and the 3DO has a huge library of really crappy games. But it also has some very good games too. Way more good games than the 32X.

Famidrive-16
08-08-2005, 08:14 PM
"threatened my videogaming credibility" - no mention of punishment or house arrest here... O_O

All I meant was that I'm considered the videogame expert by my family and friends, and when I hyped the N64 up as the next big thing and bypassed the Playstation to wait for it, we all expected more than we got. A lot of my friends were fighting game fans back then and some of them had bought Playstations for Tekken, etc. The first year of the N64 brought Mortal Kombat Trilogy, KI Gold, and Fighters Destiny x_x . So when I finally sold it and got a Playstation I received some "good-natured ribbing" from some friends.

Ahhhhh okay... I get it now. :embarrassed:

Didn't mean to write that post in such a prickish manner myself. Was pretty eccentric and saw the post and was like "HAHAHAH FAMILY HATES THE 64? HAHAHA OMG *posts*".

And yeah, I agree the 64 was pretty overhyped.

Wavelflack
08-08-2005, 08:27 PM
Everyone who voted "32X" is wrong.

FurinkanianFrood
08-08-2005, 10:22 PM
Man, I miss the good old days when people cared more about games than systems and their makers.


I do care more about games, why do you think I hate Sony so damn much! I see Sony as a major part of a long running spiral of gameplay into the bowels of hell.

You act as if console manufacturers have no influence on software.

Or are you just in denial?

By controlling the market for a number of years, they have steered things away from gameplay, toward flash devoid of substance.

I vote for PS as worst system that is, was, and ever shall be.

The damage it has done cannot be repaired. The real Sega is dead. Nintendo was forced into taking less time to perfect games because they were being rushed.

Look what Sony did to 2D. Look at how they make importers suffer. Look at the way the murdered a far superior system with a half-assed video playback gimmick.

!@#$ Sony. They have done so much to trash our hobby.

How can you defend them? It's insane.

They convinced uninformed people cd's sound better than vinyl, that the PS was more powerful than Saturn (it isn't), that the PS2......

And yet people rush out to buy a cheap feeling and looking $350 portable that they swear looks "sexy" whatever the hell they mean by that, as if it actually had enough games to justify it.

BTW. If you waited for them to be cheap the 32X and Jag are both great. They just lack in quantity of games, they both have some quality in their libraries.

They don't suck. They didn't hurt gaming.

I didn't pay $350 for them, no dead pixels or two hour battery, and they have better games than PSP. So bah.

imanerd0011
08-08-2005, 10:30 PM
I've loved Nintendo ever since the NES, the SNES is my favorite system of all time.. and I really love the Gamecube. But N64?? Total piece of crap.

How can you say that? While the N64 may not have been near as great as Nintendo first two consoles, it does have some of the greatest (and most innovative) games of all time on it. Super Mario 64, LOZ:OOT, Super Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye. All 4 of those games are far better than anything that 3DO,32X,Sega CD,Turbo Duo,Sega Saturn,Sega Dreamcast, or Neo Geo have to offer.

I don't even like the N64 that much and only have a handful of games for it, but I can't stand how people are bashing it like this. You can't even compare it to the crap systems on that list. The only systems on that list that are better than N64 are the SNES the the Genesis. Everything else was never popular, and was like that for a reason.

studvicious
08-08-2005, 11:00 PM
I've loved Nintendo ever since the NES, the SNES is my favorite system of all time.. and I really love the Gamecube. But N64?? Total piece of crap.

How can you say that? While the N64 may not have been near as great as Nintendo first two consoles, it does have some of the greatest (and most innovative) games of all time on it. Super Mario 64, LOZ:OOT, Super Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye. All 4 of those games are far better than anything that 3DO,32X,Sega CD,Turbo Duo,Sega Saturn,Sega Dreamcast, or Neo Geo have to offer.

Well see, that's just your opinion. Personally I would much rather choose to play Dreamcast than N64. And I would also choose Sega CD, Saturn, Neo-Geo, and Turbo Duo. That's just my personal choice.

I would MUCH rather play a crappy game on a console with an intuitive, easy to use (and control!) controller, as opposed to playing a quality title on the N64.

NintendoMan
08-08-2005, 11:12 PM
32x. Loved playing it back in the day when one of my rich friends was able to buy it for $200. Played it recently and it just sucked ass, completely. I don't think the thing is COMPLETELY terrible, but it's the worst in my opionion in this poll.