NWC cart on ebay

[NESaholic]

I paid 4000 for the gold one I rufuse to pay close to that for a grey.
Holy shit dude,$4000 is alot of money!!!!What happened to the times they were about $1250-$1500?Guess i can only dream about this one....for the moment.

[Buyatari]

Holy shit dude,$4000 is alot of money!!!!What happened to the times they were about $1250-$1500?Guess i can only dream about this one....for the moment.

It has been A LONG time since a gold sold for 1250-1500. I bought this one years ago.

[Bronty-2]

Yep, a friend of mine paid 5g's for one a couple years ago. I think 3-5 has been the norm for a while now.

[NESaholic]

Dang that is steep,guess it will take me some time to get that kinda cash saved! :roll:

[DreamTR]

Yeah, 5K AND you have to find someone willing to SELL it now too. Not like before where they were plentiful.

[NESaholic]

Maybe make a list of owners and hunt them down!! LOL I guess at some point people will sell when being in need of money or whatever.I have enough patience so time will tell eventually.

[tarheelsnipe]

DP should take a screenshot of the final auction price and verify that the seller rec'd the money. Then post it with a small interview with the seller and buyer. I would really love to hear what they have to say.

[dieourumov]

It's surpassed $6,101 now with 93.2% nintendods88 as the high bidder

[D_N_G]

Sent this email through ebay to the high bidders:

Just wondering why you are bidding so much on the grey version of the NWC cart. Usually when the grey version pops up on ebay (at least 1-2 times a year so far average) it goes for 1,000-2,000 dollars.

The gold version (rarer version) usually hits 3,000-5,000 on ebay and in private sales.

Heres a link for the last one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8195691927&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

And heres a message board topic discussing the auction:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69942

d-n-g



Maybe the seller is doing some good promotion/marketing somewhere?

This is out of control.

I wish people would do their homework before spending so much money

[captain nintendo]

Sent this email through ebay to the high bidders:

Just wondering why you are bidding so much on the grey version of the NWC cart. Usually when the grey version pops up on ebay (at least 1-2 times a year so far average) it goes for 1,000-2,000 dollars.

The gold version (rarer version) usually hits 3,000-5,000 on ebay and in private sales.

Heres a link for the last one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8195691927&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

And heres a message board topic discussing the auction:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69942

d-n-g



Maybe the seller is doing some good promotion/marketing somewhere?

This is out of control.

I wish people would do their homework before spending so much money


Please keep us posted as to the replies you recieve. I want to know why these people are seemingly insane @_@

[dieourumov]

$6,250 thanks to Rage_nyc

[Buyatari]

Real bids or not, the days of a 1500.00 NWC are now over.

[Speedy_NES]

I wonder if this craziness is going to surpass the 10,000 dollar mark... ;)

-Speedy

[evil_genius]

Real bids or not, the days of a 1500.00 NWC are now over.

Agreed and adds It's pretty sad when the value of something can be raised just by a bogus eBay auction.

[VG_Maniac]

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWC-1990-cart-with-NWC-guide-and-NWC-pass-NES-Nintendo_W0QQitemZ8219043480QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Here's another grey NWC cart that someone bought with BIN yesterday, within 2 hours of it being listed on ebay. I didn't see anyone discussing this anywhere, so I guess nobody noticed it. Only costed half of what the other one is going for...but I guess that's still quite a bit of money for a grey cart.

And I have no idea what the deal is with the tattoo picture.

[bizbiz]

Has anyone used a little common sense before jumping to such drastic conclusions? What if the people bidding so high on this item simply want it and *CAN* afford it? I mean, there is such a thing as being a millionaire, there is even such a thing as being a billionaire. Not everybody is poor and struggles to spend 6000 dollars. Everyone here is acting like this is the most insane thing ever. You guys seem to not be aware of the richer 10% of Americans who live in mansions, drive ferrari's, and spend most of their time in a yacht on the ocean. Some people have the money and could care less how much they have to pay for a NWC - if they want it, they'll continue bidding until only one bidder remains - it's a filtering out method that prevents snipers from winning. An auction like this isn't going to fly at all for a bidding sniper.. these big bidders have the $$$ and they want to be assured they are going to get it and not have to worry about being outbid. This shit happens all the time with eBay motors when people sell their Dodge Vipers or a Maserati or whatever.. This item is extremely rare and is quite a conversation piece. To some, that is well worth the 6000 dollars. But not to everybody....

Personally, I don't even think the NES NWC is worth more than 100 dollars - it's a promotional item and it was never available to the consumer in stores. That is my personal opinion. On the other hand, it seems most board members value it at a dollar amount far less than 2000 dollars. You can apply a value to this kind of item. The digitalpress guide is useless for valuing an NWC cart - the item does not appear enough to put a proper appraisal on it. And the price will fluctuate dramatically over time, as more people will want it at certain times, while at other times, fewer people will want it. The item will land in equilibrium one day. This item appears so ireegularly that you can't even apply a going rate for this cartridge as the next copy to appear may not go for more than 1000 dollars. Plus there are variations of the NWC which only complicates things further. One person says these bidders should be banned from ebay for bidding so high? That is ridiculous.. why should they be banned for bidding on something they want? And why does everyone think the bidders are fake id's or they won't pay??? If the seller is caught by eBay, they would be banned. Why would he risk a near perfect feedback ratio for something so silly. Let's not jump to any conclusions.. If the high bidder lives in a 6 million dollar mansion, a 6000 video game is nothing more than a nice piece nostalgia to show off.

Just applying some basic economic laws to my personal opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody.. I hope you see where I'm coming from.

[sirhansirhan]

Sent this email through ebay to the high bidders:

Just wondering why you are bidding so much on the grey version of the NWC cart. Usually when the grey version pops up on ebay (at least 1-2 times a year so far average) it goes for 1,000-2,000 dollars.

The gold version (rarer version) usually hits 3,000-5,000 on ebay and in private sales.

Heres a link for the last one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8195691927&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

And heres a message board topic discussing the auction:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69942

d-n-g

What makes you think that this is an appropriate thing to do? The auction has five days left, so the person you emailed will probably not be the person who eventually wins the item (in fact, I bet the person you emailed was outbid already, based on the time you posted this and the time of the last bid). Besides, it's not your problem, and is downright meddlesome. Knock off the vigilanteism; the final selling price and whether the buyer agrees to pay it (note that the high bidder at the time I post this has been an eBay member for four years and has 100% positive feedback) is between the buyer and seller alone, unless one or the other chooses to get eBay involved. You're giving eBayers and DPers a bad name butting in in this way.

[tarheelsnipe]

Yeah, the editors should weed through all the (0) bidders, and get a small explanation of why the collectors are willing to drop this amount of money on a video game.

When Wayne Gretsky bought one of the famed T-206 Honus Wagner baseball cards for $640,000, it was on every national newspaper the next day (albeit in the back of the sports section). They asked him why he spent that much money on a piece of cardboard. His answer was simply 'I wanted one. Why not?' He then turned around and sold it for $1.1 million -- on Ebay.

Ask the game collectors the same question. You'll get the same answer. 'I wanted it'. Trust me. If one comes my way and I can afford it, I'll be placing my bid. With collectibles, they're worth what the market will bear.

[badinsults]

I support a free market. If someone wants to pay $6000 for a video game cartridge that had not more than a few hundred copies made, then let them. Don't meddle.

[D_N_G]

Ok pay attention before you start pointing fingers

I asked a question and followed up with some facts.

In no way did i berate, put down, or interfere, explain how being inquisitional is meddlesome?

are you a buddy with the seller and you want to get him the highest price? if ebay did not want people contacting each other they would not have the option on their website

My replys in the emails were sincere, this is the exact reply to the first respone from one of the bidders:



A group of collectors was just wondering on the
message board in the first email.

Its just an extremely high price for the cart, right
now triple what it usually goes for, these do show up
several times a year. We were just wondering if there
was a specific reason the bidders getting this high?

A 4,000 dollar increase in 4 months seems a little
much to a group of veteran collectors watching from
the outside and have seen the auctions in the past.
Maybe promotion of the auction on a message board or
blog?

If no reason, good luck in bidding. An items true
worth is always what people are willing to pay for it

You are welcome to join the discussion here:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69942&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


I wont post peoples responses due to not having consent.


Good job in outing the bad guy sirhansirhan, congratulations on the web assassination attempt. nice to see dp members attack each other in public. who really is giving this site a bad name?

[bizbiz]

Sent this email through ebay to the high bidders:

Just wondering why you are bidding so much on the grey version of the NWC cart. Usually when the grey version pops up on ebay (at least 1-2 times a year so far average) it goes for 1,000-2,000 dollars.

The gold version (rarer version) usually hits 3,000-5,000 on ebay and in private sales.

Heres a link for the last one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8195691927&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

And heres a message board topic discussing the auction:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69942

d-n-g

What makes you think that this is an appropriate thing to do? The auction has five days left, so the person you emailed will probably not be the person who eventually wins the item (in fact, I bet the person you emailed was outbid already, based on the time you posted this and the time of the last bid). Besides, it's not your problem, and is downright meddlesome. Knock off the vigilanteism; the final selling price and whether the buyer agrees to pay it (note that the high bidder at the time I post this has been an eBay member for four years and has 100% positive feedback) is between the buyer and seller alone, unless one or the other chooses to get eBay involved. You're giving eBayers and DPers a bad name butting in in this way.


I agree with sirhansirhan. I just don't get why DP members have to go and start contacting the buyer and bidders. It's between the bidders and seller, and it doesn't seem right for you to go and tell the bidder what something is worth - you are actually interfering with the auction in my opinion. All you are doing is re-writing this phrase: Excuse me, I wanted this item and would have paid up to 2000 dollars. Now I can't have it because you bid more than I am willing to pay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I would take your message if I was the high bidder.

[D_N_G]

bizbiz please dont ever got to fatwallet.com, or slickdeals.net, or cheapassgamer.com, or many of the other helpful sites on the internet than are fueled by other people getting good deal on items all over the world and sharing them with others.

and please never mention to anyone that these sites exist, it would be apparently against your morals to help someone out. heaven forbid someone forks over too much money to an individual or a corporation in a free market society, when they could save some money by getting the same items for cheaper

the bidders did ask why i had interest and i followed up with the email in my above post, please read.

the entire thing for myself is this is unusual bidding on an item that always goes for less. why?

if no reason then fine by me, if there is a reson i sure wanted to know.

[bizbiz]

bizbiz please dont ever got to fatwallet.com, or slickdeals.net, or cheapassgamer.com, or many of the other helpful sites on the internet than are fueled by other people getting good deal on items all over the world and sharing them with others.

and please never mention to anyone that these sites exist, it would be apparently against your morals to help someone out. heaven forbid someone forks over too much money to an individual or a corporation in a free market society, when they could save some money by getting the same items for cheaper

Just wondering why you are bidding so much on the grey version of the NWC cart. Usually when the grey version pops up on ebay (at least 1-2 times a year so far average) it goes for 1,000-2,000 dollars.

The gold version (rarer version) usually hits 3,000-5,000 on ebay and in private sales.

Heres a link for the last one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8195691927&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


... is not the same as fatwallet.com

Sorry, but you know what you were doing is not the same thing. And you are trying to say things like "Triple the price that the last one went for" - like I said in an earlier post, you can NOT assign a value to an item like this. It appears so irregularly that it is not possible to say what a NWC is worth. Did you factor in inflation? Hurricane Katrina? More people signing up for eBay since the last NWC appeared? I mean come on, it's been quite a long time since one appeared... you act like the selling price of the last NWC is what this one is worth.

[D_N_G]

If no reason, good luck in bidding. An items true
worth is always what people are willing to pay for it



Did you factor in inflation? Hurricane Katrina? More people signing up for eBay since the last NWC appeared? I mean come on, it's been quite a long time since one appeared... you act like the selling price of the last NWC is what this one is worth.

How can I factor in any these things if im not the one bidding? This was the question



And you are trying to say things like "Triple the price that the last one went for" - like I said in an earlier post, you can NOT assign a value to an item like this.

Since you want to play semantics, i chose my words carefully. There is no "value" assigned in my statements only "facts" about previous "prices" that these items really sold for prior to this auction

if you would like exact meanings behind these quoted words, here is a helpful link www.m-w.com

[pseudonym]

DNG, i think that you're missing the point. those sites are well and good for finding deals but when something this rare comes up for sale you have to expect to pay the going rate and possibly above for it. i also don't see the point of your email. the reason he's bidding on it is because he wants it. simple as that. people are willing to pay what they are willing to pay for items. your pointing out that it usually goes for x amount of money when it's already WAY above that is pointless imo.

[D_N_G]

0 feedback bidder, possible shill bidding?

is this cart more valuable for some reason than previous versions?

is there something these bidders know about that we migh be missing that makes this more special?

is someone only paying such a high price because they have mistaken it for the wrong version (gold)?

if you went to a car dealership and bought a new car and were happy because you wanted it (the perfect hard to find car at that), but found out later that if someone would have extended a little bit of information it could have saved you thousands of dollars for the exact same item, how would you feel?

would you hate the person for sharing info that could have saved you money?

no you would be happy with your purchase

would you arm yourself better in the knowledge department the next time you made a big purchase?


if that same person walked up to you in the dealership and gave you that vital piece of information right before you signed the papers...?

thank you people for imposing your personal morals in this situation.

And thank the heavens i do not share the same views.

[Griking]

Sent this email through ebay to the high bidders:

Just wondering why you are bidding so much on the grey version of the NWC cart. Usually when the grey version pops up on ebay (at least 1-2 times a year so far average) it goes for 1,000-2,000 dollars.

The gold version (rarer version) usually hits 3,000-5,000 on ebay and in private sales.

Heres a link for the last one on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8195691927&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

And heres a message board topic discussing the auction:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69942

d-n-g



Maybe the seller is doing some good promotion/marketing somewhere?

This is out of control.

I wish people would do their homework before spending so much money


I'd watch what I was doing if I were you. Emailing bidders of an auction and interfering with the bid process is hightly against eBay's rules.

I actually wasn't aware of the fact that a few other posters had already made you aware of this but HERE's (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/transaction-interference.html) a link to the eBay rule stating it.

you may not think that what you did was interferance but what if your email actually convinced a bidder that you were right and that he was overpaying. You would have affected the outcome of the auction when you had no business doing so. I know that I would be pissed if I were the seller.

[D_N_G]

telling the bidder how to place bids or imposing an opinion is

having a similar item or directing a bidder to a similar item that they can purchase at the same time is

asking a question and providing information is not interference

[bizbiz]

0 feedback bidder, possible shill bidding?

is this cart more valuable for some reason than previous versions?

is there something these bidders dont know about that we migh be missing that makes this more special?

is someone only paying such a high price because they have mistaken it for the wrong version (gold)?

if you went to a car dealership and bought a new car and were happy because you wanted it, but found out later that if someone would have extended a little bit of information it could have saved you thousands of dollars, how would you feel?

would you hate the person for sharing info? would you arm yourself better the next time you made a big purchase?

thank you people for imposing your personal morals in this situation.

And thank the heavens i do not share the same views.

Regardless of any of these questions, why are you so concerned? Are you a cyber cop? A virtual vigilante? Is it your job or duty to contact the bidders and tell them what the item went for last time? Does this solve the potential "shill bidding" that you claim may be taking place? If there is shill bidding, or bidding errors, or mis-representation of the item, why do you feel the need to solve the problem (if there even is a problem at all)? Isn't that why eBay charges such high fees.. so that they can pay and employ computer techies to deal with these kind of problems? Let the seller/bidders/eBay deal with any potential problems. And if you want to ask bidders why they bid so much, why can't you wait until the auction ends? And the contact member feature on eBay was not created for the purpose you seem to be using it for.

I guess I should be asking myself why I am still arguing over this entire matter.. it is really just a waste of everybody's time. So, I am done, goodnight :D

[Griking]

telling the bidder how to place bids or imposing an opinion is

having a similar item or directing a bidder to a similar item that they can purchase at the same time is

asking a question and providing information is not interference


Its just an extremely high price for the cart, right
now triple what it usually goes for, these do show up
several times a year. We were just wondering if there
was a specific reason the bidders getting this high?

A 4,000 dollar increase in 4 months seems a little
much to a group of veteran collectors watching from
the outside and have seen the auctions in the past.
Maybe promotion of the auction on a message board or
blog?

Its clear from the language that you use that you feel that the bidder is overpaying. What business is it of yours to tell a bidder of someone else's auction that his bid price is triple of what the cart usually goes for?

Would you have emailed a bidder with that question if he were bidding on one of your auctions or would you have waited until the auction was over and payment had been made?

[sirhansirhan]

0 feedback bidder, possible shill bidding?

is this cart more valuable for some reason than previous versions?

is there something these bidders dont know about that we migh be missing that makes this more special?

is someone only paying such a high price because they have mistaken it for the wrong version (gold)?

if you went to a car dealership and bought a new car and were happy because you wanted it (the perfect hard to find car at that), but found out later that if someone would have extended a little bit of information it could have saved you thousands of dollars for the exact same item, how would you feel?

would you hate the person for sharing info that could have saved you money?

no you would be happy with your purchase

would you arm yourself better in the knowledge department the next time you made a big purchase?


if that same person walked up to you in the dealership and gave you that vital piece of information right before you signed the papers...?

thank you people for imposing your personal morals in this situation.

And thank the heavens i do not share the same views.

Incidentally, as far as meddlesome emails go (which yours most certainly was), yours could have been much worse. The reason why I posted my argument against you was not because I felt that you were misrepresenting the item or its value. Rather, you are calling the bidder stupid, in so many words.

I would imagine that both the buyer and the seller are well-educated in the manner of this item. How could you not be with an item such as this one? No one will be bidding $6000+ on something they know nothing about, and to know anything about the NWC 1990 cart is to know that it is impossibly rare and worth a ton of money. Granted, it hasn't sold for this much in the past (or not that I'm aware of, anyway), but that doesn't mean that it isn't merely on the upswing, value-wise.

Not to digress too far with this, but I've been trying to get a Snow Brothers cart on eBay for about nine months now. When I started looking for them, they were going for $20-25 cart only, and then one day, for no apparent reason, one went for $45, and they have rarely gone for less than $40 since. Who knows why this kind of thing happens so abruptly? All I know is that I don't email everyone whose bidding price I disagree with.

[D_N_G]

.
Regardless of any of these questions, why are you so concerned? *Edited with quote being replied to

Just curiosity in general.

please see my last post for many of the questions i was wondering about.

If i had the intent to interfere with this specific transaction, trust me, every single statement would have been worded differently

go ahead and continue to misconstrue my statements and interpret ebay rules on your own

next time i feel the need in the future to conact an ebay member, I will either

A.) do it when the auction closes
B.) not post anything on DP




Are you a cyber cop? A virtual vigilante?

You got me take me away

If im one of the above you must be Internal Affairs

[D_N_G]

Email sent to all members that were contacted::


Please disregard my previous email, I had no right to contact you concerning the NWC auction. It could be construed as auction interference. I apologize if it is taken this way, it is not they way I intended to come across, it was merely inqusitional and contained only my personal opinion.

Thanks,

[Griking]

Just curiosity in general.

please see my last post for many of the questions i was wondering about.

If i had the intent to interfere with this specific transaction, trust me, every single statement would have been worded differently

go ahead and continue to misconstrue my statements and interpret ebay rules on your own

next time i feel the need in the future to conact an ebay member, I will either

A.) do it when the auction closes
B.) not post anything on DP




Are you a cyber cop? A virtual vigilante?

You got me take me away

If im one of the above you must be Internal Affairs.




Would you have emailed a bidder with that question if he were bidding on one of your auctions or would you have waited until the auction was over and payment had been made?

Funny, you never answered my question. I assume it's because we already know the answer.

[captain nintendo]

Jeez. Why dont you beat DNG over the head a few more times guys :roll:


I see what you are all saying , but damn.......
And I am guessing this NWC will be relisted. Who knows though.

[D_N_G]

griking, the answer to the question is personally no

i was answering posts in order and had not gotten to yours yet


i also would not want to be the buyer of auction A that ends at a really high price, when i could have gotten auction B for the exact same item at 1/3 the price if I just had a little more information, but no one was there to help me out

good for the buyer bad for the seller

bad for the buyer good for the seller

catch 22



SirhanSirhan said: Rather, you are calling the bidder stupid, in so many words.

Being uninformed and unintelligent are 2 different things.



I guess if anything these threads will help us learn who the sellers on the board are :)

[jajaja]

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWC-1990-cart-with-NWC-guide-and-NWC-pass-NES-Nintendo_W0QQitemZ8219043480QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Here's another grey NWC cart that someone bought with BIN yesterday, within 2 hours of it being listed on ebay. I didn't see anyone discussing this anywhere, so I guess nobody noticed it. Only costed half of what the other one is going for...but I guess that's still quite a bit of money for a grey cart.

And I have no idea what the deal is with the tattoo picture.

Hehe ye, I also noticed the tattoo picture. Probly missplaced it LOL

I really wonder if that 0 feedback user is a real bidder. Without him/her i doubt the price would be this high. That would piss me off. Not because I intended to put a bid (cant afford that), but it really sux to see ppl being "tricked" to place higher bids than nessessary because of a shillbidder, or what the term is called. If thats the case of course. The 0 feedback user might be legit.

[Early Worm]

The days of the sub-$2000 NWC are way over. That last cart you linked to had no picture and the seller had a 9 feedback. Add a picture and a 300 feedback and that would have been a $3000 sale. YOU ALL NEED TO REMEMBER: This is the cheapest ass, most "know-it-all" collector group on the web. No one here is buying a good condition NWC for under $2500 and there is no such thing as a gold NWC for under $5000. You are dreaming, lying, wishing, or misinformed if you believe otherwise. And save your attacks against me. Yes, $6000 is too high...but under $2000 ??? NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!

[Chronodriftersx]

Man there are some serious NWC affacianados around! But for one that doesn't look like someone peed on the label might be hard to get @ or around 2000 if possible but don't be shocked because there are always exceptions to the rules. As "know it all collectors" I think there are some who would know where to strike "gold" (a bar-gain).

[captain nintendo]

Edit: After seeing my post had nothing to do with the topic for the most part. I have decided not to feed the trolls.


I wonder what the real selling price of this will be once it is relisted ?

[8bitnes]

Back to the zero feedback bidder. Has anyone thought that it could be a very well-known collector/buyer/seller who has created another account just so that no one knows exactly who ended up with it. Maybe he/she does not want anyone to know its in his/her possession for obvious reasons.

[captain nintendo]

Back to the zero feedback bidder. Has anyone thought that it could be a very well-known collector/buyer/seller who has created another account just so that no one knows exactly who ended up with it. Maybe he/she does not want anyone to know its in his/her possession for obvious reasons.


Thats possible. I know I dont share my ebay account name with others for the most part. I suppose if you looked here at DP you could probably find it :)

[Nicola]

the current high bidder, fedeweb, is a friend of mine! Russian Roulette!?!?!

[captain nintendo]

the current high bidder, fedeweb, is a friend of mine! Russian Roulette!?!?!


What the hell @_@

If this actually sells legit at this price I am going to die a little bit inside. :P

[jdchess]

Ok I didn't see that anyone else had posted about this so here goes...take a look at BOTH of these auctions...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NINTENDO-WORLD-CHAMPIONSHIPS-1990-extremely-rare-NES_W0QQitemZ8218061163QQcategoryZ62053QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NINTENDO-WORLD-CHAMPIONSHIPS-1990-extremely-rare-NES_W0QQitemZ8219362641QQcategoryZ62053QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Notice anything REALLY REALLY strange? Exact same pic and different seller?? The seller saying you buy it outright for $1000? The seller in Belgium is obviously a scammer, but is it just me or do both of these smell like a scam now? Comments anyone?

[leonk]

The second link doesn't work. I think eBay already pulled it.

[jdchess]

Actually, the link works fine for me. That's wierd. Try it again. The auction is still up.

[captain nintendo]

Actually, the link works fine for me. That's wierd. Try it again. The auction is still up.


ditto


That has got to be fake. (please dont kill me everybody for assuming its fake) :P

[Darren870]

Obv its a scam. He has the same pictures from the first auction, just registered with ebay today and says you can buy it for $1000.

Why would you think the original auction is a scam though because of this? Seems foolish

[anagrama]

I'd really love to see the original auction finish and the seller get paid, just so that all the know-it-all naysayers in this thread look really fucking stupid.

[PapaStu]

second link worked for me. He's saying to contact him via an aol email account or do ask seller question to get the game right now for 1k.

This type of shit happens EVERY time something rare and valulable comes up like this. Its people scamming because they see the potential $$ that they can get really fast because people get SO worked up over this stuff that they loose their cool and dont pay attention to whats going on.

@ D_N_G
You said that you were emailing these people to help inform them about the going value of these carts. Thats nice and all HOWEVER don't you think that people that know about this cart have a slight idea as to its worth? Do you really think that they are walking THAT blindly into a 2 thousand dollar + auction? I think not. So what if the last few have sold for 1500.... this one aparently is selling for a lot more and these people are wiling to pay for it. Another one will come about, and barring a few low level bidders (handled by a smart seller setting up the auction properly) the prices will come back down. Hell if gas after Hurricane Katrina can drop the 40-50 cents it shot up a week or two after, so can the NWC.

[captain nintendo]

Edit: *sigh*

Good for the seller if he makes 10,000 off of it.

[Flack]

My only hope is that all these people that you all are contacting and mentioning Digital Press to take the time to look around the rest of the forums and site and not base their opinion of DP on just this thread.

[D_N_G]

@ D_N_G
You said that you were emailing these people to help inform them about the going value of these carts. Thats nice and all .



i emailed them to try to understand the current value trend from their perspective

and to and supply legitimate factual information about previous pricing, which they may or may not have known

i also invited them to join this discussion so that if they choose/need more information hopefully someone could help

from all bidder responses they were sincere and in no way offended or upset, unlike many of the IA agents working here in this thread

in no way have i ever mentioned my exact personal value of the cart to any of the bidders or imposed my opinion on how they should conduct their bidding

on this board i have however made a statement that i {my opinion} think the current price is inflated

who knows maybe they might have had information, i was not privy to that would increase my personal value of the item


don't you think that people that know about this cart have a slight idea as to its worth? Do you really think that they are walking THAT blindly into a 2 thousand dollar + auction? I think not.
'
you think not, you assume too much

i think so, i assume too little

neither of us knows what the bidders are thinking, guess i wanted to know and you didnt, it never hurts to ask

thanks for sharing your opinion and your views on how you think

[Griking]

The second link doesn't work. I think eBay already pulled it.

Same here, I'm getting the standard eBay "Invalid item" screen.

[DreamTR]

I don't think it's anyone's business what that cart goes for. If they want to bid $8000 for it, so be it. The "informed" collectors have limits on what they will spend I suppose, but these guys just want the cart.

Also, one did go for a BIN of $3200, and that bidder IS legitimate. I used to talk with him a few years ago when he wanted an NWC, but never had enough cash.

Value of gray is now somewhere around $3500. Value of gold is probably closer to $5000. If this auction ends with a good bidder winning it, look out.

[Chronodriftersx]

I don't think it's anyone's business what that cart goes for. If they want to bid $8000 for it, so be it. The "informed" collectors have limits on what they will spend I suppose, but these guys just want the cart.

Also, one did go for a BIN of $3200, and that bidder IS legitimate. I used to talk with him a few years ago when he wanted an NWC, but never had enough cash.

Value of gray is now somewhere around $3500. Value of gold is probably closer to $5000. If this auction ends with a good bidder winning it, look out.

Thank goodness someone with a cool head ;) I hope this kind of free thought towards value spreads from NWCs onto more stuff. Oscar Wilde once said 'A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.'

[portnoyd]

You people are giving D_N_G entirely too much shit. He was just doing what few had the balls to actually carry out.

Wow, I certainly love my insanely cheaper NWC right now. Ohhh, do I ever.

These people can't possibly be informed about the previous sales of the grey. If they did, they'd know:

1- They pop up every so often.
2- They rarely push $2000.

That combined means throwing down $4000 over the previous highest sale is stupid, because you just have to have patience.

The dumbest thing is that these goons aren't even sniping it. Just costing the winner more money in the end.

[Darth Vader]

I'm so glad I bought mine a while back so I don't have to get caught up in bidding like this. Yes this auction is extremely overpriced, but unfortunately for the people who don't have it, its gonna make it harder for people to part with this game at a reasonable level (at least for the foreseeable future). Hopefully cooler heads prevail in this thread going forward, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but what is that other thing everyone has one of other than an opinion?? LOL

Let's try not to turn into the other, alright?

Danny

[Griking]

You people are giving D_N_G entirely too much shit. He was just doing what few had the balls to actually carry out.

What's that, break eBay's rules? He DID violate the rules. Like it or not its a fact. Get over it.

It's the seller's responsibilty to accurately describe the item that they are selling. It's the bidder's responsibility to bid responsibly. This includes doing their own research prior to bidding. It's not anybody else's responsibility to interfere with the natural bid process by emailing a bidder while the auction is still live.

I swear, this is all reaks of another case of sour grapes to me. People who don't have a copy of this cartridge are getting all bent out of shape over this auction because of what it will possibly do to the the value of the game in the future. Again people, get over it. :roll:

[ice1605]

Huh. This does seem wayy over priced, but I have never seen another one before on eBay, but some people have just GOT to have it.

Ice

[blissfulnoise]

We're missing a key factor with this NWC cart. It's the first one to come up on eBay since the semi-infamous Nintendo Power article detailing this and the SimCity proto.

I knew as soon as that issue was published that the days of a $1500 - $3000 NWC cart were instantly over as that sort of exposure creates a big demand for these items.

This cart is no fluke but a reality now. If you want to blame someone, blame the editors at Nintendo Power.

[D_N_G]

You people are giving D_N_G entirely too much shit. He was just doing what few had the balls to actually carry out.

What's that, break eBay's rules? He DID violate the rules. Like it or not its a fact. Get over it.

It's the seller's responsibilty to accurately describe the item that they are selling. It's the bidder's responsibility to bid responsibly.



You should go back and phrase everything you posted thus far with IMHO

Just like another poster put it, that is what ebay has professionals to determine. It is not up to some high and mighty message board poster such as yourself to push theirr morals on me

If i broke rules so be it, but all of you IA cops are doing just the thing you are preaching so hypocritically about which is getting in someone elses business



This includes doing their own research prior to bidding. It's not anybody else's responsibility to interfere with the natural bid process by emailing a bidder while the auction is still live.

Edit: You do not know which bidders i even emailed, if i emailed bidders that were not the winning bidder at the time then wouldnt this be providing them additional information a form of assisting research, and letting them make their own personal choice to bid?

people are responsible for their own actions



I swear, this is all reaks of another case of sour grapes to me. People who don't have a copy of this cartridge are getting all bent out of shape over this auction because of what it will possibly do to the the value of the game in the future. Again people, get over it. :roll:

what it sounds like is you have no idea

[8bitnes]

We're missing a key factor with this NWC cart. It's the first one to come up on eBay since the semi-infamous Nintendo Power article detailing this and the SimCity proto.

I knew as soon as that issue was published that the days of a $1500 - $3000 NWC cart were instantly over as that sort of exposure creates a big demand for these items.

This cart is no fluke but a reality now. If you want to blame someone, blame the editors at Nintendo Power.

I don't subscribe to NP, can someone scan the article or point me to a link that has the text/photos?

[D_N_G]

Lets get technical with symantics

Ebays exact wording



Members are not allowed to interfere with another member's transaction.

There was no interference intended or otherwise, I the originating emailer do not think so, the contacted bidders do not think so

Only questions and information was exchanged the buyers were not emailed with a specific auction number and were presented with a question they PERSONALLY get to choose to answer




To report a violation of eBay’s Transaction Interference policy:

Contact Customer Support by choosing “Contact Us” on the left side of any Help page.

Include the appropriate information, including any relevant emails, with full descriptions in the subject line and complete email headers. If you need help finding an email header, you can learn more about displaying complete headers for your email program.

Only report a case once; multiple emails about the same case slow an investigation.

Looks like it is upto the contacted individual which requires message headers, guess the seller is out of the picture



Members may not contact a seller and offer to purchase a listed item outside of eBay. .

This was not done



Members are not permitted to email buyers in an open or completed transaction to warn them away from a seller or item. If you have a problem with a transaction, please use the feedback forum and review our Fraud Protection Program. .

There was no warning about a seller or any purchase information. no opinions or bidding discussion occurred




eBay has this policy in order to protect the community from potentially fraudulent transactions which are more likely to occur outside of eBay. Remember: if the seller offers to sell you the item directly without bidding on or winning the item on eBay, this is a violation of eBay policy and you will lose the benefit of eBay purchase protection programs. Please report it to us immediately..

Doesnt look at all like the reasn why i contacted these members



Mary has found the perfect dinner set for a party she wishes to host at her brand new home. Unfortunately, the auction-style listing will not end for another 6 days and the party is this weekend! Mary decides to e-mail the seller directly with an offer to buy the dinnerware immediately and directly from the seller and obtain overnight shipping for the item. By e-mailing the seller directly with an offer to purchase, Mary is in violation of the Transaction Interference policy...

Uh Oh, looks like an "informed" poster on this page is admittedly guilty of this one, but not me



Thanks for your personal rule interpretation griking, but it looks like IMHO you were incorrect

[tarheelsnipe]

it might not have been against ebay policy, but it's unethical nonetheless. If somebody wants to pay me 10x the value of the item, it's their own decision to make. the bidders either (1) don't care about the sales trend of similar carts in the past, or (2) haven't done their homework ... in either case they have a very large sum of disposable income. Believe me, someone that's willing to put up this much cash does NOT care about the price of milk to feed their babies.

...And let me find the guy that tries to sabotage one of my high-dollar auctions. Losing a $6000 auction due to a deadbeat bidder will cause somebody lose a $6000 grill.

[D_N_G]

You are a quality poster, keep up the ethics lessons

[D_N_G]

nothing was done to any of you personally

What i dont understand is why you people like to publically pesecute others, there are things such as private messages

with that i really dont have any more time to waste defending my actions to a bunch of people that dont really even matter

please continue with your diatribes on how your morals and ethics are better than mine, and how your miscomprehnsions and interpretations of my actions (and ebay rules) make your imposing opinions the saving grace for my life

i will be eating popcorn and watching an insanely priced (IMHO) auction until it ends

[tarheelsnipe]

You are a quality poster, keep up the ethics lessons

and you keep pretending you're Robinhood.

[D_N_G]

We're missing a key factor with this NWC cart. It's the first one to come up on eBay since the semi-infamous Nintendo Power article detailing this and the SimCity proto.

I knew as soon as that issue was published that the days of a $1500 - $3000 NWC cart were instantly over as that sort of exposure creates a big demand for these items.

This cart is no fluke but a reality now. If you want to blame someone, blame the editors at Nintendo Power.

This is an excellent point

[Balloon Fight]

You people are giving D_N_G entirely too much shit. He was just doing what few had the balls to actually carry out.

Wow, I certainly love my insanely cheaper NWC right now. Ohhh, do I ever.

These people can't possibly be informed about the previous sales of the grey. If they did, they'd know:

1- They pop up every so often.
2- They rarely push $2000.

That combined means throwing down $4000 over the previous highest sale is stupid, because you just have to have patience.

The dumbest thing is that these goons aren't even sniping it. Just costing the winner more money in the end.

Dave just explained everything I was thinking (well except the cheaper NWC cart, heh).

DNG did nothing wrong, he was not trying to steer the bidders opinions or anything, he was just curious as to the reason they have bid so much.

(Btw dave, you should have kept Mr. Gimmick, that game roxxxccks :) )

[tarheelsnipe]

DNG did nothing wrong, he was not trying to steer the bidders opinions or anything, he was just curious as to the reason they have bid so much.

i hope someone continues to ask the questions to all of the bidders (maybe Nintendo Power will do a follow-up article?). In my opinion the questions should have waited until the end of the auction. I assume that the majority of us want to know just how out of control this auction is going to get. This seller is probably salivating all over his keyboard right now.

[Balloon Fight]

Seems like these are coming out of the woodworks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NINTENDO-WORLD-CHAMPIONSHIPS-1990-EXTREMELY-RARE-NES_W0QQitemZ8219419765QQcategoryZ4315QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

By the way, look at the number on this one, yes thats right, #283...

[leonk]

Is there something special about the new one? number 283? Was it sold before, or something new??

Also.. from Canada.. AGAIN! What's going on?

[Griking]

This new copy that's for sale now makes me wonder how hard it would be to bootleg copies of this game. I've seen those reproduction carts that someone makes of NES games such as Final Fantasy and Earthbound. They look really well done. It seems that nobody really knows how many copies there really were and any investment it would take to make a copy that looked professional would be more than returned in the long run.


Like I said before, I'd never pay this much for a single game cart but even if I were in the market for a copy I'd be too concerned that I'd get a bogus copy.