Poor Poor Gamecube

[sabre2922]

I hate to see this happen to such a great system:

PS2

1 MADDEN NFL $71.1M
2 NCAA FOOTBALL 06 $5.8M
3 DELTA FORCE: BLACK HAWK $2.3M
4 LEGO STAR WARS $2M
5 DESTROY ALL HUMANS! $1.9M

Xbox

1 MADDEN NFL 06 $33.6M
2 DELTA FORCE: BLACK HAWK $3M
3 NCAA FOOTBALL 06 $2.8M
4 T. CLANCYS RECON 2: STRIKE $2.8M
5 DARKWATCH $2.5M

GameCube

1 MADDEN NFL 06 $3.9M
2 HARVEST MOON $1M
3 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE 0.9M
4 MARIO PARTY 6 W/MIC 0.8M
5 CHARLIE CHOCOLATE FACTORY 0.8M

Handhelds

GBA POKEMON EMERALD $2.8M
NINTENDOGS: DACHSHUND $2.5M
NINTENDOGS: LABRADOR $2M
PSP MIDNIGHT CLUB 3 $2M
NINTENDOGS: CHIHUAHUA $1.8M

-From Nextgen.com

Madden PS2 71 Million

Madden Gamecube 3.9 Million :bawling:

[Push Upstairs]

Damn...that is quite a difference in sales.

Even the XBox sales are kicking the GC ass.

[njiska]

It's a frickin' greek tragedy.

[sabre2922]

It's a frickin' greek tragedy.

I agree surprised the hell out of me thats for sure

[MegaDrive20XX]

It's a frickin' greek tragedy.

I agree surprised the hell out of me thats for sure

"E tu, Brute'?"

Oh how the mighty have fallen, after so many screws up (Like Mr. njiska mentioned in another thread)

The tides of time have changed..

[njiska]

It's a frickin' greek tragedy.

I agree surprised the hell out of me thats for sure

"E tu, Brute'?"

Oh how the mighty have fallen, after so many screws up (Like Mr. njiska mentioned in another thread)

The tides of time have changed..

Praise from Caesar, how Apt.

The only good thing about the GC's demise is that now it will live on as a cult system. Not cult like the DC, but cult none the less.

[Richter Belmount]

heh i been collecting for it (part of the cult) , damn dude nintendo has gotten their arses kicked i remember when nintendo kicked arse in sales

[roushimsx]

Madden PS2 sold 71.1 million copies or only made $71.1 million. I'm confused.

I don't much care for Nintendo's little mini DVDs, their controller, or their lack of online support... I'm going to go ahead and guess that a couple dozen million people feel the same as I do.

[Mianrtcv]

It was a pattern. The NES and SNES were so sweet... then N64, still pretty sweet. Not the same though. Now Gamecube, personally I like it better than my n64 but nowhere in the same ballpark as NES or SNES of course. JMO. Come back Shane...

[Famidrive-16]

Well, if you exclude XBox's Madden, then the GC's Madden has sold more than the other XBox games.

See I tried to save this. :/

[slip81]

sad, but not surprising. The poor GC has been in a downward spiral for some time now. I hope the Revolution comes and kicks ass, but I'm not sure how much faith the gaming masses are willing to put into Nintendo's home consoles anymore.

[PDorr3]

it appears the GC is on its last life line, and if Zelda:TP is released on it, that will be its last gasp of air. Its hard to see the system go down like this. Really though I looked over every GC game ever released and there were maybe only 15-20 must have exclusive GC only titles.
Also another factor is that PS2 and XBOX versions of madden have online capabilities, so its no doubt those versions will sell more.

[smokehouse]

Hooray, Madden sales. Well, let’s see here. I don’t see GC units in any rap videos or on any episodes of Pimp my Ride….possibly that’s why it’s not sold so well. I’ll take my GC over that piece of shit Xbox and the washed up, currently overpriced and unreliable PS2.

Madden sales or not.

Funny enough, those millions of copies will be worth $300 combined a year from now…

[classicb]

well seing how Madden and NCAA are the big sellers and if anybody else in america likes taking their NCAA player into Madden then not having NCAA on the Cube might be a factor that and the already mentioned lack of onine support.

Besides that I'd like to point out that right now is not a good time to look at Cube sales figures. Who wants to play Geist which isn't even on the list?

[pragmatic insanester]

the real loser here is whoever spent that much money on charlie and the chocolate factory.

[njiska]

the real loser here is whoever spent that much money on charlie and the chocolate factory.

It's pretty bad when a piece of shit like that makes the top 10, let alone the top 5. Ouch.

[Slimedog]

the real loser here is whoever spent that much money on charlie and the chocolate factory.

Ha! LOL

Seriously, this shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anybody. Don't get me wrong, its very sad and I probably wouldn't have believed it a year ago. Also, I think Nintendo deserves credit for sticking it out as long as they have. I thought the Dreamcast and Saturn had the plug pulled before their time and it seems like the big N doesn't go down that road.

[sabre2922]

the real loser here is whoever spent that much money on charlie and the chocolate factory.

Ha! LOL

Seriously, this shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anybody. Don't get me wrong, its very sad and I probably wouldn't have believed it a year ago. Also, I think Nintendo deserves credit for sticking it out as long as they have. I thought the Dreamcast and Saturn had the plug pulled before their time and it seems like the big N doesn't go down that road.

Yes exactly at least Nintendo still supports the Gamecube if it was Sega in the same place Im sure we would be reading one their infamous "the Gamecube is not Nintendos future" quote and killing the system off like a lame horse ;)
just like they did with Saturn.

[Zap!]

Madden PS2 sold 71.1 million copies or only made $71.1 million. I'm confused.

No game (for one system) has even sold more than 17 million copies. :) There aren't even 71.1 million PS2's. LOL

[Leo_A]

"No game (for one system) has even sold more than 17 million copies. There aren't even 71.1 million PS2's. "

Sony passed 71.1 million PS2's sold quite sometime ago.

[Zap!]

"No game (for one system) has even sold more than 17 million copies. There aren't even 71.1 million PS2's. "

Sony passed 71.1 million PS2's sold quite sometime ago.

In the US alone? That's what I was talking about, not worldwide. Did the PS2 actually outsell the PS1 here?

[classicb]

OK I've come to my senses now Madden broke records by selling 1.7 million in its first week this year.

So I'm supposed to believe in the following 3 weeks it sold around 69.3 million??????

I think I might need a direct link to these very odd numbers.

[Tron 2.0]

Oh well doesn't bother... me one bit i'll play what i enjoy.

This isn't the frist time i've gotten a, console that's the underdog in the U.S

TG16>Saturn>DC>GC

Still i feel, Nintendo doesn't have the "right business sense" any more period :(

[sabre2922]

Ok see the $$$$ signs that is how much the game made on each respective system not how many copies were sold ;)

[classicb]

Ok see the $$$$ signs that is how much the game made on each respective system not how many copies were sold ;)

well that makes allot more sense now.

[badinsults]

Who cares about sales?

[Zap!]

I don't know how any of you could have possibly thought that one game on one system can sell 71 million copies, IN THE FIRST MONTH ALONE!!!. The best selling game of all-time is Super Mario Bros. 3, and that sold a total of 17 million copies. C'mon guys, wake up and snap out of it! :P

[punkoffgirl]

Who cares about sales?

Exactly. Are these just gross sales? Are they profits? Stop talking like the Gamecube is dead already.

[Fuku-san]

Who cares about sales?

Exactly. Are these just gross sales? Are they profits? Stop talking like the Gamecube is dead already.

Not to be a curmudgeon, but in my opinion the GC died a long time ago, unless you're a fan of childrens games like Pokemon or Pikmin and very poorly done nintendo franchise reincarnations. I mean how can they create titles with names such as mario and lugi associated with them when in actuality the only thing the gamer gets to control is either a vacum cleaner or hose. Where is a 128-bit mario game already. Or a percussive infantile disgrace masquerading as a donkey kong game.

In my opinion the only thing that the game cube has going for it is its looks, it's cute, sleek and stylish especially in platinum.

[sabre2922]

Ok for those of you that dont quite get it.

First off I think the GC is a great system but its dying a sloooow death and after Zelda will be the first of the current-gen systems to go and thats a fact.

OK yes it is Football yes it is sports but these sales profits represent a WHOLE LOT MORE than just how much madden made.

These numbers represent the biggest selling game on each of the 3 consoles it shows how software sales are so different from the PS2,Xbox and Gamecube.

When the Nintendo Gamecube Madden sales dont even equal a 3rd of the Xbox sales whether in dollars or units (games) sold it shows which systems are still selling games and wich arent its a representation of much more than just sports games.


The gamecube sold 3 million in madden sales OK the PS2 sold 72 :eek 2: 72 MILLION dollars that is ;) (not individual game units) does that not sink in to the few that still question this ?

Cmon ppl I hated it when my beloved Dreamcast was killed off after only 2 years but I accepted it.

If you cannot sale a 4th of what the main competitor is in any given industry or business is selling it is VERY difficult to be competitive hell even to stay in business.

I didnt post this to bash gamecube or flame Nintendo I posted this to show they have got to change thier ways or Revolution WILL be thier last home console period :( and that I DO NOT WANT TO HAPPEN believe me.

[badinsults]

Unless other systems have Paper Mario, then they aren't worth owning.

[RCM]

Who cares about sales?

Exactly. Are these just gross sales? Are they profits? Stop talking like the Gamecube is dead already.

The GC is close to death for sure. As for the who cares about sales thing, we all should. If great games don't sell we don't get sequels to those great games.

I'm totally sick of the sports genre. Down with Madden! Down with sports games.

I play a lot of games based in fantasy worlds. I can't ride on a blue dragons back. Maybe the US wouldn't be so fucking fat if they stopped playing virtual football and got up on their fat asses and played it for real. We could make ourselves along with EA's wallet thinner. I'm all for it!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Cmtz]

I love the Gamecube, but enough is engough. The Gamecube is dying because it's comming to the end of it's fucking life. Soon the Xbox will go and so will the PS2. It would be a different story if this was happening two years ago and Nintendo still had a long way for the Revolution. The Gamecube is dying, the Xbox is dying and in a couple of months the PS2 will dye as well.

[smokehouse]

The GC is not a Madden system. Someone takes a few months worth of sales figures, posts them on the internet and paints a picture of doom and gloom for the GC. Is the GC in dead last place? Yep. Is it going to die off in the next few months? Nope. I would guess that the majority of GC owners don’t buy it for games like Madden, plain and simple. Second, madden is a cattle stampede title anyway. What a great way to hike sales totals for a neato-o sales comparison.

Hey guys…another Madden! It’s really pretty much so the same as every other PS2/Xbox/GC release but this year we have a different guest rapper, updated player rosters and stats and…well…a new box design!

-Mooooo!!!!! (rushing sound of hooves) Thousands of mindless football fans rushing to the nearest Wal-Mart to buy another stupid remake cleverly packaged and sold for top dollar.-

Someone could have don’t this when Halo 2 hit. By posting those sales figures they could have proven that the Xbox was clearly in first place.

Man, this is why I play dead systems. All this hype, industry analysis, rumors, the “who’s in first place” shit. I don’t care.

Nintendo has never dropped a system and they won’t start with the GC either. Sure, the titles will slow down but they’re not going to drop it like a bad habit, Madden sales or no.

[sabre2922]

OK guys stay in your state of denial ;)

The Xbox will last at least another year or so and the PS2 still has at least 2-3 good years.

[Gamereviewgod]

I'm totally sick of the sports genre. Down with Madden! Down with sports games.

I play a lot of games based in fantasy worlds. I can't ride on a blue dragons back. Maybe the US wouldn't be so fucking fat if they stopped playing virtual football and got up on their fat asses and played it for real. We could make ourselves along with EA's wallet thinner. I'm all for it!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

You get me a NFL contract, and I'll never play a football game again.

[njiska]

OK guys stay in your state of denial ;)

The Xbox will last at least another year or so and the PS2 still has at least 2-3 good years.

Bullshit. No offense, but there's no way the PS2 will last another 2-3 years. At least not at any large level. The PS3 will hit by the end of next year and when that happens we'll already be well into the next Gen. The PS2 is already weaker then a wounded kitten. Although in cases like Shadow of the Colousus makes it look like a wounded kitten on crack, i still think the PS2 will be dead inside of 1.5 years. And so will the Box.

[Famidrive-16]

OK guys stay in your state of denial ;)

The Xbox will last at least another year or so and the PS2 still has at least 2-3 good years.

Didn't Microsoft say they were going to decrease XBox manufacturing once the 360 was released?

[smokehouse]

OK guys stay in your state of denial ;)

The Xbox will last at least another year or so and the PS2 still has at least 2-3 good years.

I still think that Nintendo will not drop the GC like Sega did when it came to most of their systems. Doing that would mean that Nintendo has NO system on the market for a while, something they won’t do.

The NES was faded out after the SNES, the SNES faded after the N64 and the N64 did the same when the GC came out. I feel the GC will stick around after a while. Possibly

I’ may eat my words but I see the Xbox being dropped within the next year, the PS2 within the next year and a half (this will greatly depend on the release of the PS3) and the GC lasting at least as long as it takes for Nintendo to release their next system. Njiska is right; the PS2 is showing signs of aging quite a bit. Compared to the Xbox and GC, it does look old.

[Slave to the Parasites]

If the terrorists really want to destroy the great Satan they're next target should be EA's HeadQuarters.

[davyK]

Nintendo isn't going anywhere for the time being. Anyone who posts £400 million net profit the same year of a new hardware launch while paying out record dividends isn't doing anthing wrong.

Sony, on the other hand are losing market share hand over fist in every market sector bar video games, where incidentally, their lead is so large that any difference between XBox and GC (more or less equal worldwide with XBox slightly ahead) is insignificant. As a corporation they are in trouble, relying more and more on their video game arm to survive. Microsoft's subsidiary company has lost money hand over fist over Xbox....which is normal for any company entering a market. Look at the optional hard-drive nonsense for the 360 - the mighty Microsoft isn't prepared to absorb the cost of a hard drive into its console - rather the shareholders aren't !

Forget sales - when it comes to profit from capital employed, Nintendo are the darling of the stock market - in real terms (those that are used to measure a business) they are making more money than the other two.

Back in 1991, Nintendo made $400 million MORE than Sony did..Now since then what have they done that has lost money ? SNES?, N64 ?(which while it suffered in the face of the mighty PS1 still made a pot of money) - not to mention Pokemon and the Gameboy family tree. - They have hardly been pissing their money away since then and reportedly have a huge cash reserve.

They aren't going away - and they'll support a platform until it stops returning a profit - like anyone else.

Guess when did the NES and SNES cease production ? 2003 - they know how to milk something to death - which has shown on their balance sheet, though unfortunately also in their current habit of rehashes.

They have lost market share - but the market has grown dramatically since Sony made the whole thing mainstream. Nintendo may have a smaller slice of the cake but the cake is a great deal bigger now than when they had the whole thing to themselves.

Oh.... and is Pikmin a kiddie game ?

[sabre2922]

If the terrorists really want to destroy the great Satan they're next target should be EA's HeadQuarters. LOL

[RCM]

I'm totally sick of the sports genre. Down with Madden! Down with sports games.

I play a lot of games based in fantasy worlds. I can't ride on a blue dragons back. Maybe the US wouldn't be so fucking fat if they stopped playing virtual football and got up on their fat asses and played it for real. We could make ourselves along with EA's wallet thinner. I'm all for it!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

You get me a NFL contract, and I'll never play a football game again.

RCM rolls his eyes at that. You know damn well that a majority of people will not be able to play pro football, but they can play the game. I can't ride a blue dragon pro or not. Come on GRG! You suck but I love you! To the sensitive members of DP, we're buddies. Get online sometime and hit me up!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Gamereviewgod]

RCM rolls his eyes at that. You know damn well that a majority of people will not be able to play pro football, but they can play the game...

Sure can, but that's not the point. I don't want to play against people in my backyard. I want to be inside a stadium with 50,000 fans right alongside fellow Chicago Bears. That can't happen in my backyard.


Get online sometime and hit me up!

I'm not sure I'm like that.

[Ernster]

Gamecube dead? Hoorary! Iv'e been waiting for this moment about since 6 months after GC was released. Its been a miserable 4 or so years, only 1 or 2 A+++ exclusive games. Bring on next gen! GC is crap for a Nintendo console, definitely not in the league of NES, SNES or N64. Still its sad to see those numbers, I really wish Nintendo were doing better, perhaps next gen things will improve :)

[CocoVG]

It's so unfortunate that the negative impression of the GameCube in the media helped hasten it's "demise" long before it even should have been talked about. As davyK pointed out (and it seems so many people forget) Nintendo is posting black numbers on their bottom line - they've been doing it for many, many years. They're making money, and where they stand in relation to the competition doesn't seem to phase them because of that. Sony & Microsoft hemorrhage money through their respective video game divisions. What we all seem to get confused about is that Nintendo's business strategy has been great for their bottom line, but relatively piss-poor for us gamers, especially the ones that hold Nintendo in such high regards for so many wonderful childhood memories. Because of all the lackluster uses of their own properties this generation, it feels as if they're doing poorly - and coupled with their market share, it bolsters that thought - but at the end of the day, all you have to do is go and look at their financial statements, and it's pretty easy to see that even with three hardware platforms on the market, they are posting quite a healthy profit. If the GameCube was truly performing as poorly as some of the doomsayers would like us all to believe, Nintendo would close the door on it - because their goal, first and foremost is to stay profitable. Just like any other company who doesn't have a variety of other divisions to generate money with.

I (presumably along with many others) hope that when Nintendo's share of the "next generation" rolls around, they make better use of their game properties, because I'm not so sure gamers will buy into it for a second go 'round. I mean, Luigi with a vacuum was fun, Mario with a water-filled jetpack was fun - but gimmicks do not move the franchises forward. Nor does having Mario in just about every genre of game BUT the platformer we all dream for in the dark of night.

--

Slightly off topic, I noticed people posting total sales numbers for games such as Super Mario Bros. 3, and I wanted to post a correction - there's nothing worse than inaccurate sales data floating around.

Here are the top 10 best selling games of all time, regardless of platform:

1. Super Mario Bros. (NES, 40 million. Includes copies bundled with the hardware.)
2. Tetris (Game Boy, 33 Million. Includes copies bundled with the hardware.)
3. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES, 18 Million.)
4. Super Mario World (SNES, 17 Million.)
5. Super Mario Land (Game Boy, 14 Million.)
6. The Sims (PC, 10 Million.)
7. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES, 10 Million)
8. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2, 8.5 Million.)
9. GoldenEye 007 (N64, 8 Million.)
10. Donkey Kong Country (SNES, 8 Million.)

Apparently we love our Mario, and hot-damn - we love Nintendo. Any company with eight out of ten spots on the top selling games of all time list certainly has something to smile about - and while we hate what they're doing right now, you can certainly say they have their business strategy down to a fine art.

For reference, only eight GameCube games have made it past the million-seller mark - and seven of them are from Nintendo:

1. Super Smash Bros. Melee (2.85 million.)
2. Super Mario Sunshine (2.04 million.)
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (1.92 million.)
4. Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (1.89 million.)
5. Luigi's Mansion (1.7 million.)
6. Metroid Prime (1.3 million.)
7. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (1.14 million.)
8. Animal Crossing (1.02 million.)

(28 N64 titles, 19 Game Boy Advance titles and 1 DS title have also crossed the million mark.)

So yeah - the GameCube hasn't exactly been breaking any records, but it's been cheap for Nintendo to produce, and they make money from it. It certainly isn't anywhere near dead, at least not for THEM. For third-parties - that's a different story.

I used the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_video_games) for the sales data out of laziness.

[Push Upstairs]

Well all this talk about how Nintendo is making money vs. MS and Sony losing money is fine and dandy...but it still has little to do with the company's image in the eye of the gamer.

Gamers don't give a shit if someones quarterly profits are up or if they are down all they care about is playing games. There are more games released on the PS2 and Xbox than there are on the GC, and gamers are going to buy what offers them the most games.

You want everyone to buy a system and sit on thier hands waiting for games to trickle out? Whatever.

Why did people buy an NES? Because it had the most games.

[davyK]

Actually the NES was the only game in town for quite a while since Nintendo kick-started the console industry with that platform (the SMS was a good machine but hadn't a chance).

Talking about profits does matter - look what happened to Sega....you think "gamers" wouldn't care if they had completely disappeared?

Real gamers will buy the console that has the games they wan't to play, not that which has the most generations of EA sports games. There are gamers and then there the bottom feeder consumers who buy licenced dross because of what is on the cover and the likes of Madden 200X every time it comes out. I'd take a console that has 1 good snowboarding game (e.g. 1080) over one that has 10 mediocre examples of the genre.

[CocoVG]

Well all this talk about how Nintendo is making money vs. MS and Sony losing money is fine and dandy...but it still has little to do with the company's image in the eye of the gamer.

Gamers don't give a shit if someones quarterly profits are up or if they are down all they care about is playing games. There are more games released on the PS2 and Xbox than there are on the GC, and gamers are going to buy what offers them the most games.

You want everyone to buy a system and sit on thier hands waiting for games to trickle out? Whatever.

Why did people buy an NES? Because it had the most games.

:)

I think the point of adding the sales/profits into the discussion is to show that even though Nintendo trails in sales, they lead in profits - which means that the doomsayers can predict the death of the GameCube all they want, but that it's just plain not going to happen that way. Nintendo is the one that profits the most, they're not going to pull the plug on something generating cash for them. Don't forget Nintendo still uses their old arcane business model too - getting a piece of the pie from every single game produced for their system, because they control disc production - just like they controlled cartridge production for so long. They force minimum orders during game production, which guarantees that even if the game doesn't sell for the publisher/developer that created it - Nintendo still gets their money.

As a gamer, I hate what Nintendo has done this "generation", and I touched on that briefly above. The poor use of their game properties from the gimmicks (Mario Sunshine) to the just plain outrageously short (Luigi's Mansion) inflated (Wind Waker) and sequel whoring (Mario Party) has been pretty brutal. Not that some good games didn't come from it all, but sadly there aren't as many gems as their certainly could have been. Don't even get me started on what they've done with the GBA, though arguably it's had more original hits than it's big brother.

However, even though I don't like what they've done over the course of this generation, I'm secure in knowing they've made the money to be able to slog it out with the behemoths for the next round as well - and I can hope that during that go 'round, there will be some better games with the use of their properties, because if not - I really doubt gamers will buy into it as heavily as they have for the N64/GameCube.

[boatofcar]

All gamers that buy Madden are stupid sheep.

Nintendo has never dropped a system and they won’t start with the GC either.


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[Daria]

All gamers that buy Madden are stupid sheep.

Nintendo has never dropped a system and they won’t start with the GC either.


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[Sinteres]

What's unfortunate is that while Nintendo indeed is making some serious profits still, moreso than any competitor is from their video game divisions, some of those practices that lead to such profit really affects the system's library. Can only hope that with the Revolution they make some concessions on their profits and usual philosophy to ensure they recieve the kind of third party love they used to easily attain.

[SoulBlazer]

The next person who calls me a 'stupid sheep' for loving my Madden AS WELL as the obscure games eats their words. ;) Read my sig for my current games I'm playing.

How come no one has said that Nintendo seems to be interested in just one small PART of the market -- kids and pre-teens -- with their games, as opposed to Sony and Microsoft going after EVERYONE? You can find ANY kind of game for the PS2. The XBox, not as much, but it's still a diverse library. The GC mostly has games that seem designed for young people, not the adults who remember Nintendo with such foundness from their youth.

[googlefest1]

Im not a GC fan - yes i own one and some game and occasionaly i buy another game - but pretty much the only thing i use it for is to play gamboy games on it

BUT -- i'd like to ask every one that says the GC is dead- how come the games and used games for this sytem are still up there in price -- the xbox and ps2 have many games under 8$ and the GC dosen't (at least in my area)

im not talking about sports titles or mace griffen multi platform games

[NintendoMan]

Hooray, Madden sales. Well, let’s see here. I don’t see GC units in any rap videos or on any episodes of Pimp my Ride….possibly that’s why it’s not sold so well.

You know there are the idiot casual gamers out there that don't like the GC, ONLY because they have never seen it in rap videos, pimp my ride, or cribs. I guarantee it.

[njiska]

Hooray, Madden sales. Well, let’s see here. I don’t see GC units in any rap videos or on any episodes of Pimp my Ride….possibly that’s why it’s not sold so well.

You know there are the idiot casual gamers out there that don't like the GC, ONLY because they have never seen it in rap videos, pimp my ride, or cribs. I guarantee it.

Ain't it the truth. Sadly those people are the markets target. What happened to sophistication in gaming?

[smokehouse]

The next person who calls me a 'stupid sheep' for loving my Madden AS WELL as the obscure games eats their words. ;) Read my sig for my current games I'm playing.

I was missquoted. I referred to Madden as a “stampede title”.

The GC is not a Madden system. Someone takes a few months worth of sales figures, posts them on the internet and paints a picture of doom and gloom for the GC. Is the GC in dead last place? Yep. Is it going to die off in the next few months? Nope. I would guess that the majority of GC owners don’t buy it for games like Madden, plain and simple. Second, madden is a cattle stampede title anyway. What a great way to hike sales totals for a neato-o sales comparison.

Hey guys…another Madden! It’s really pretty much so the same as every other PS2/Xbox/GC release but this year we have a different guest rapper, updated player rosters and stats and…well…a new box design!

-Mooooo!!!!! (rushing sound of hooves) Thousands of mindless football fans rushing to the nearest Wal-Mart to buy another stupid remake cleverly packaged and sold for top dollar.-

Nothing pisses me off more than being missquoted!

[smokehouse]

Sorry, double post.

[CocoVG]

How come no one has said that Nintendo seems to be interested in just one small PART of the market -- kids and pre-teens -- with their games, as opposed to Sony and Microsoft going after EVERYONE? You can find ANY kind of game for the PS2. The XBox, not as much, but it's still a diverse library. The GC mostly has games that seem designed for young people, not the adults who remember Nintendo with such foundness from their youth.

I for one am quite glad that no-one said that - because whoever would say something like that has totally missed the boat on what Nintendo and their entire gaming philosophjy is on about. Nintendo makes games that are accessible to ANYONE, regardless of age. They don't want you to have to read a manual or study a command set to know how to play their games. They want a 4 year old toddler or a 85 year old grandparent to be able to pick up the controller and enjoy a game as easily as one would pick up the boob tube remote to flick channels. Not only ease in understanding the controls, but understanding the point, the methodology - and making the visuals friendly to everyone. It's a remarkably hard thing to do, trying to please everyone - and unfortunately the gaming (and general) media at large has skewed public perception to believe that the games are intended for young people. Not so, not so at all. Nintendo actually places most of their kid-friendly fodder on the Game Boy Advance.

Nintendo certainly missed the boat themselves both this and the last generation by not having a great variety of different titles across genres - but in no way does that mean they're only targetting children. Nintendo aims to be a FAMILY company, with games to be enjoyed by all, not a select subset of the population.

[Richter Belmount]

Hooray, Madden sales. Well, let’s see here. I don’t see GC units in any rap videos or on any episodes of Pimp my Ride….possibly that’s why it’s not sold so well.

You know there are the idiot casual gamers out there that don't like the GC, ONLY because they have never seen it in rap videos, pimp my ride, or cribs. I guarantee it.

Ain't it the truth. Sadly those people are the markets target. What happened to sophistication in gaming?
its nothing but a sad dead horse now.

[njiska]

Hooray, Madden sales. Well, let’s see here. I don’t see GC units in any rap videos or on any episodes of Pimp my Ride….possibly that’s why it’s not sold so well.

You know there are the idiot casual gamers out there that don't like the GC, ONLY because they have never seen it in rap videos, pimp my ride, or cribs. I guarantee it.

Ain't it the truth. Sadly those people are the markets target. What happened to sophistication in gaming?
its nothing but a sad dead horse now.

That's to kind, i think it's wasted away to skeleton of a dead horse.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

That's to kind, i think it's wasted away to skeleton of a dead horse.
This the same dead horse we're beating in this thread?

Just checkin'. LOL

[scooterb23]

:deadhorse:

If it looks like that one, then yes.

[NintendoMan]

Ain't it the truth. Sadly those people are the markets target. What happened to sophistication in gaming?

Yes, I know they get targeted the most. I guess that's why most of my idiot friends, I can count 8 of them, have PS2's only, and wouldn't even consider getting a GC or an XBOX. And I have said it before on hear, but it just pissed me off to no extent when they tell me I need to grow up and get rid of my GC to get a PS2. I just hold my breath though and not even waste it anymore explaining why I also love my GC, along with my XBOX.

I think the sophistication left as soon as the PS hit mainstream. That's when it left.

[NintendoMan]

:deadhorse:

If it looks like that one, then yes.

LOL, pretty good!!

[Push Upstairs]

I think the point of adding the sales/profits into the discussion is to show that even though Nintendo trails in sales, they lead in profits - which means that the doomsayers can predict the death of the GameCube all they want, but that it's just plain not going to happen that way.

Nintendo won't "lose" because of profits, but they will & do because of thier mismanged image.

If the history of this hobby has shown anything its that video gamers remember when things go bad. It happened to Atari, it happened to SEGA and now its happening to Nintendo.

The N64 didnt exactly excite the masses and Nintendo follows that system up by doing the exact same thing with the GC. Unless they pull one *HELL* of a 180 with thier Revolution, I doubt anyone is going to forget a company that wasted away 3 systems in a row.

[Nes]

I doubt anyone is going to forget a company that wasted away 3 systems in a row.

Exactly. Nobody is ever going to forget Nintendo and that is why it will always be around.

[davyK]

The N64 made money. The GC is making money. What else do Nintendo need to do? They are a business - in it to make money . They do this by knowing their market , creating products at a low cost and selling them at a profit- not by becoming another supply channel for EA's output.

Someone here said that Nintendo are marketing a younger audience. True, but they are also creating content that families play together. I am 39 - I play the imaginitive Monkey Ball not po-faced Halo, shmalo.

I can play Monkey Ball and Mario Party with my wife and kids - not Medal of Honour or San an-bloody-dreas.

I've said this on another forum somewhere - but I'd rather shoot a missile at the rear-end of a Triceratops while racing it up a spiral mountain path (Diddy Kong Racing) than pretend to be an F1 driver driving around on my own on some real-life (i.e. boring) track.

Nothing depresses me more than the games industry's love affair with reality - I have that all day and when I get home and play games I want to escape for an hour (if I'm lucky!).

Re "mature" themes in games...mature must mean over the top anal and pathetic gore and/or mastubatory fantasies for teenagers going by the content of these so-called mature, edgy titles.

Edgy? Edgy my arse! Look at the "sex" scenes that were locked out in GTA and talked about recently. If you don't have the balls to do it right (i.e. release stuff like this and make it available, AND make it better than the poly-'d up Custer's Revenge joke that that hidden feature was), then don't do it at all. Please don't pretend you are releasing mature stuff, because you aren't - mainly because it wouldn't sell - because it would be boring. These are games! Games are FUN!! Remember that? Remember when games had a sense of humour and didn't need 20 hour bum-numbing sessions to progress?

I dare you - make real mature content. OK not mature then - make sex scenes available to all in your games "But then only adults could buy it", I hear you say! Exactly. For edgy and mature read sell out and immature.

[njiska]

The N64 made money. The GC is making money. What else do Nintendo need to do? They are a business - in it to make money .

This is the part that's kind of funny. See t's occured to me that the GC died specifically because Nintendo isn't trying to make money. At least that's how it seems. See Sony and Microsoft are telling us what we want and using slick marketing to capture the minds, and dollars, of every one. Nintendo is just making products for their original fanbase. Some of us critize them for making poor business decisions, but when you think about it isn't that kind of hypocritical to our whole view on the industry?

Nintendo trys to put quality first. Nintendo constantly trys to innovate and they do. Just look at games like Pikmin and Jungle beat. Sure they're not my cup of tea, but you can't ignore the creativity in those titles.

[CocoVG]

If the history of this hobby has shown anything its that video gamers remember when things go bad. It happened to Atari, it happened to SEGA and now its happening to Nintendo.

You make a great point, but there's a vital difference - both Atari and Sega were suffering financially. Nintendo may be third in sales numbers, but they're making money hand over fist so it doesn't seem to bother them. It bothers people who see the video game market as one big race for first, or for "cool factor".

There's a reason the Atari brand has been bought and sold more than the local easy piece, and there's a reason Sega is now Sega-Sammy. Nintendo is nowhere near that position, and they'd have to make some serious mistakes to end up there.

[anagrama]

Don't you guys ever get sick of your weekly "Death of Gamecube/Nintendo" threads?

[boatofcar]

The worst thing about Nintendo in this generation is that they've made me buy 2 machines. Basically I have the GC for 1st party titles and a PS2 for everything else. I love Nintendo. I will probably buy a revolution at its first price drop or if and when Animal Crossing makes its debut there. But as long as the controller buttons are wacky, its of no use to me to play sports games. For that, the PS2 is the best, even though its analog stick is sad compared to both the GC and the Xbox.

[Captain Wrong]

Don't make me post kittens in this thread too.

[zmweasel]

Don't make me post kittens in this thread too.

It would be much better if you simply avoided (or locked, if you have that ability--are you a mod?) threads which you feel are "too hostile," instead of clogging them up with pictures of kittens.

-- Z.

[njiska]

Don't make me post kittens in this thread too.

It would be much better if you simply avoided (or locked, if you have that ability--are you a mod?) threads which you feel are "too hostile," instead of clogging them up with pictures of kittens.

-- Z.

Hey i think the kittens help mellow out the situation rather then simply crushing it and preventing others from disscussion. Mon Cap-i-tan bring on the kittens.