Will the Revolution Controller be revealed at TGS?

[hezeuschrist]

I know this is a heated and premature discussion due to the lack what we know and lots of hopes. Nevertheless:

1) Discuss this controller in the context of a handheld/portable system. It is absolutely futile to discuss controller abilities for games like Madden or Zelda or Star Wars. (like I read on this board and IGN and other sites)

This controller was designed for a system which doesn't intend to play these games. You won't get them on the Revolution; and if you don't trust me, trust Miyamoto. Last week he said that Twilight of the Princess for the Cube is the last Zelda as we know it. How much more straightforward can Nintendo get?

Oh, there most definitely will be Zelda and Mario games on the Revolution. Miyamoto said that the revolution was designed with Zelda in mind, and that Twilight Princess is the last in the series as we know it. Meaning, we won't see another plain old normal control scheme for the game, we'll be swinging links sword, stringing his bow, and throwing his bombs. Literally.

[tonyvortex]

this whole thing reminds me slightly of how back in the late 70s punk music opened a hole in the music industry consumed with progressive rock.i can only imagine how shocked people were by punk bands when they were so used to the way music was going .its almost as if nintendo has said fuck you sony,fuck you microsoft,thanks for being safe and boring.nintendo is the new punk rock.

[Wavelflack]

So you're saying that Nintendo is untalented?

[petewhitley]

Nintendo's Revolution controller is the most important invention since the microprocessor. Yes, you heard that right. The first Great Invention of the 21st Century.


That is ridiculous nonsense. This thing is nothing, but absolutely nothing new.

Jesus christ, no kidding. I thought he was joking ... This technology already exists in both personal computing, busineess computing, and even home gaming. Nintendo has appropriated an existing technology, that is all.

[classicb]

Nintendo's Revolution controller is the most important invention since the microprocessor. Yes, you heard that right. The first Great Invention of the 21st Century.


That is ridiculous nonsense. This thing is nothing, but absolutely nothing new.

Jesus christ, no kidding. I thought he was joking ... This technology already exists in both personal computing, busineess computing, and even home gaming. Nintendo has appropriated an existing technology, that is all.

the same could be said about Apple and their Ipod. MP3 players had been around for years but there is something to be said about bringing it to the masses. Did they create the MP3 player, no. Did they recreate the way we (the masses) listen to and get our music, yes. I think that's what Nintendo is trying to do recreate the way we play video games. I'm sure they're well aware of the technology that is currently out there and just taking it a step farther and bringing it to everyones homes.

[petewhitley]

I'm sure they're well aware of the technology that is currently out there and just taking it a step farther and bringing it to everyones homes.

But the way people are buzzing indicates that the general public thinks that Nintendo is doing something unheard of ...

[studvicious]

I think that's what Nintendo is trying to do recreate the way we play video games. I'm sure they're well aware of the technology that is currently out there and just taking it a step farther and bringing it to everyones homes.

Exactly.

[classicb]

I'm sure they're well aware of the technology that is currently out there and just taking it a step farther and bringing it to everyones homes.

But the way people are buzzing indicates that the general public thinks that Nintendo is doing something unheard of ...

I think you mean the general gamer. The general public isn't buzzing about anything yet. My mom, dad, sister and my non gaming friends I'm quite sure have no idea the revolution controller has been revealed or even know what the nintendo revolution is. Something I'm sure Nintendo will address with some nifty advertising when it gets closer to launch.

[smokehouse]

You know, even though I’m a die-hard Nintendo fan and supporter, I’m not buying into this one. I think that the gaming industry needs an enema and that things need to change but this is not the way. Motion controllers are not exactly new and although all of them were probably not up to par with what Nintendo has in store, they have all failed. The essence of a video game requires repetitive commands and when you have to perform a motion, this will get old quick.

Case in point, the girls shown playing Mario. She flicks her wrist to make Mario jump. Due to the ridiculous amount of times this is required in one sitting, one would develop carpal tunnel in a year (not really but you get the point). This will also spell doom for the next Nintendo system by driving away many game developers. Games like Metal Gear or Resident Evil on a controller like that? I may be wrong but I strongly doubt it.

Nintendo is so desperate to change the face of gaming that they are willing to alienate their core gamers. If this is what’s in store for the Revolution (Fly fishing, cooking and fly swatting sims) I will not be buying one. That would be the fist Nintendo system I ever skipped.

[petewhitley]

I think you mean the general gamer. The general public isn't buzzing about anything yet. My mom, dad, sister and my non gaming friends I'm quite sure have no idea the revolution controller has been revealed or even know what the nintendo revolution is. Something I'm sure Nintendo will address with some nifty advertising when it gets closer to launch.

I don't know. I'm sure alot of people aren't aware of it (i.e. both of our mothers for example), but it was pretty big news across the major newswires.

[classicb]

If this is what’s in store for the Revolution (Fly fishing, cooking and fly swatting sims) I will not be buying one. That would be the fist Nintendo system I ever skipped.

I know you know that those people in the video weren't really playing any real games... right

nobody knows what kind of games we will be playing with these controllers yet.

[Cmtz]

ever noticed new gamers ALWAYS move the controller while pressing buttons, and yes, they move it the right way, it's just that the system did not detect this until today

There! When I first played the Nintendo and I wanted Mario to jump I would always move my controller so he would jump. Why did I do that? Because it came naturally. So I can see why Nintendo has finally implemented this technology. That’s all I have to say.

[JJNova]

Games like Metal Gear or Resident Evil on a controller like that? I may be wrong but I strongly doubt it.


Please do not take this as a flame toward your comment, but I will start out with a negative sentence. You should not have your custom title be Nintendo-nerd when you've already forgotten that Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear) exclaimed, "You've Done It!" when he witnessed the controller, and that the idea of using it as a flashlight attached to a weapon in Resident Evil would definitely boost the 'thriller' aspect of that franchise, since the control scheme no longer forces you to be in a sticky situations.

We all sit here and argue about controllers that already use this technology failing, but are required as a seperate purchase and a peripheral that developers can't expect most owners to have. That is what makes it more applicable as a standard controller. Therefore developers know that every revolution owner has this device.

We've also covered near every genre of gaming, and how they could benefit from Nintendo implementing this as standard. The hard part is to imagine the new genres that might be created. I can't give you any examples, because I'm not inventive enough to create new franchises (and let's face it, neither are most of you).

More interaction interests me. Learning a new control scheme interests me. I hate sitting down with a new game, and not having to learn how to play it. I hate already knowing what buttons will do what. I know that it makes gaming easier for the less than addicted market, but I get the feeling that most people here aren't that market.

Personally, I think a lot of people will be picking it up just to play with it. Just to see what they can do. I'd like to be the first kid on my block to experiment with the damn thing. I would like to discover a new way of playing. Hopefully, this will help provide that which I desperately seek.

[sabre2922]

Games like Metal Gear or Resident Evil on a controller like that? I may be wrong but I strongly doubt it.


Please do not take this as a flame toward your comment, but I will start out with a negative sentence. You should not have your custom title be Nintendo-nerd when you've already forgotten that Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear) exclaimed, "You've Done It!" when he witnessed the controller, and that the idea of using it as a flashlight attached to a weapon in Resident Evil would definitely boost the 'thriller' aspect of that franchise, since the control scheme no longer forces you to be in a sticky situations.

We all sit here and argue about controllers that already use this technology failing, but are required as a seperate purchase and a peripheral that developers can't expect most owners to have. That is what makes it more applicable as a standard controller. Therefore developers know that every revolution owner has this device.

We've also covered near every genre of gaming, and how they could benefit from Nintendo implementing this as standard. The hard part is to imagine the new genres that might be created. I can't give you any examples, because I'm not inventive enough to create new franchises (and let's face it, neither are most of you).

More interaction interests me. Learning a new control scheme interests me. I hate sitting down with a new game, and not having to learn how to play it. I hate already knowing what buttons will do what. I know that it makes gaming easier for the less than addicted market, but I get the feeling that most people here aren't that market.

Personally, I think a lot of people will be picking it up just to play with it. Just to see what they can do. I'd like to be the first kid on my block to experiment with the damn thing. I would like to discover a new way of playing. Hopefully, this will help provide that which I desperately seek.

Your right Hideo Kojima is making the new Metal Gear for Revo.....oh wait thats for PS3. x_x

All these industry bigwigs can praise Nintendo all they want that doesnt mean they are actually intent on supporting the Revlolution like they will the Xbox360 or PS3 it just wont happen.
There will be token "experimental games" from companies like Konami and Capcom but the support will pale in comparison to how they will support the 360 and PS3.

[Daniel Thomas]

Nintendo's Revolution controller is the most important invention since the microprocessor. Yes, you heard that right. The first Great Invention of the 21st Century.


That is ridiculous nonsense. This thing is nothing, but absolutely nothing new.

This invention is new in the same way Griffith "invented" the modern cinema with "Birth of a Nation." He cobbled together all the minor innovations of the new medium of moving pictures, and assembled them to make the crucial evolutionary leap into what we call movies.

Of course, Birth of a Nation is horribly, shockingly racist (it scares me more than any horror film, really), but I'm referring to the technical achievements.

Nintendo Revolution is the same way. I just picked up Wario Twisted, which is really just an early, one-dimensional version of this technology. The Revolution controller promises fully three-dimensional movement, and it's going to completely redefine the way we interact with computers.

I'll stand by everything I wrote in my blog post. It's the next evolutionary leap in technology. The remote control, the mouse, the videogame controller - they are all obsolete, and headed for extinction. This is so far beyond Nintendo and playing games. It's going to change the world.

[petewhitley]

I'll stand by everything I wrote in my blog post. It's the next evolutionary leap in technology. The remote control, the mouse, the videogame controller - they are all obsolete, and headed for extinction. This is so far beyond Nintendo and playing games. It's going to change the world.

I disagree with this because there will always be a market for technology that reduces our need to physically move in order to control things, particularly computers/video games/etc. Nintendo is using a technology that definitely fits a niche; that being people who want more physical interaction with games. However, it is exactly that, a niche. A great many of us enjoy the inherent laziness in gaming. It may sound ridiculous, it may in fact be ridiculous, but it's true.

[smokehouse]

Don’t get me wrong guys. I do like Nintendo and what they stand for, thus the Nintendo title. When it wasn’t cool anymore to play the NES,I still did. When it was lame to have a SNES over the Genesis, I still owned one, when everyone was jumping on the Sony PS1, I waited on the N64 (a big mistake). Now, the only “next-gen” system I own is the Game Cube. I hope for Nintendo to do great things with their next system. I will not be buying a 360 nor will I be buying a PS3 so that leaves the Revolution as the only system I am hopeful for. If the future is lame-o interactive games such as the currently released Donkey-Konga, then I won’t be on board. I don’t want a controller shaped like a conga, fork, chopstick, dildo or anything gimmicky. I know the demo was just that but it does speak volumes for what Nintendo plans to do or at least what their intentions are. I don’t plat DDR nor do I buy controllers shaped like random items. It’s just personal opinion, not some statement on how you all should agree with me.

If anyone here looks forward to this I’m ok with that. I don’t think you’re an idiot nor do I think I smarter than anyone here. It just doesn’t appeal to me. I’m fat and lazy, running around my living room or waving my arms in the air to play video games is like doing jumping jacks and drinking a milkshake at the same time.

[classicb]

Your right Hideo Kojima is making the new Metal Gear for Revo.....oh wait thats for PS3. x_x

All these industry bigwigs can praise Nintendo all they want that doesnt mean they are actually intent on supporting the Revlolution like they will the Xbox360 or PS3 it just wont happen.
There will be token "experimental games" from companies like Konami and Capcom but the support will pale in comparison to how they will support the 360 and PS3.

is this more half ass speculation or are you some kind of industry insider? x_x

[sabre2922]

Naa but alas I have incited the wrath of the all to many Nintendophiles on here so burn me at the fucking stake.

I mean is this a communist board? or is it ok to actually have an opinion of your own whether popular or not? :/

Flame me all you want fellow gamers Im not backing down on my statements I stand by them no matter how much hate it might bring me.

Its funny I try to respect everyones opinion on this board wich I like very much but the overwhelming Nintendo fans (note I didnt say fan-boys or sheep or any cheap kiddy crap like that) is sometimes a little too much.

Other than that this is a great board wich I have more respect for than any other on the net. ;)

[classicb]

Flame me all you want fellow gamers Im not backing down on my statements I stand by them no matter how much hate it might bring me.


I don't mean to flame you and I'm no Nintendophile (I've only bought two of their systems new, NES and Gamecube) but to say that a Metal Gear game just won't happen seems like a premature speculation. I did see your post on the new Metroid Prime game so I know you're not totally against the REV but come on you really don't think there will be any Metal Gear games on the REV? I'd be willing to bet there will be.

BTW I didn't mean any real offense to you I was just being an ass (it happens late at night sometimes ;) )

[smokehouse]

I completely agree with Sabre2922, I think the support from major developers for such a different system will be rather weak. The big titles like Resident Evil and Metal Gear might not show their face on a system such as this. Nintendo will really have to rely on their in house titles.

[Avenger]

there seems to be a few people on this board that are forgettin about the shell idea...go look at the mock up IGN made...If a company can make awesome unique games for the Rev, but also the tried and true games...why wouldnt they jump on the Nintendo bandwagon? They get the best of both worlds

[studvicious]

Twin Snakes anyone??

[Avenger]

I completely agree with Sabre2922, I think the support from major developers for such a different system will be rather weak. The big titles like Resident Evil and Metal Gear might not show their face on a system such as this. Nintendo will really have to rely on their in house titles.

Resident Evil would be AMAZING on the revolution if they do it right, they would be out of their minds not to at least TRY...i LOVE the idea of using the controller as a flashlight/gun

and as for Metal Gear....hmm..seems a bit tricky, but I'm sure Shiggy and Hideo are workin on it :)...and hell if they cant, they can just use the shell..no biggy at all

id also love to see a sort of Soul Calibur fighting game where you use 1 or 2 controllers as your weapons...hopefully not too many people get hurt :)

[smokehouse]

Like I said above, I’m still not 100% skeptic about all of this. It depends on how far Nintendo tries to push this idea.

Only time will tell.

Oh, and I consider Twin Snakes to be more of a port than an Original titles like MGS 1,2 or 3.

[Slimedog]

I really hope the people who complain about the current lack of innovation in the gaming industry aren't the same people who criticize the Revolutions assumed inability to properly control traditional games. This control is a big bold step for innovation. It might change the industry (analog stick) or it might wither and die (Virtual Boy) but it is innovation. I expect I'll play traditional FPS and other existing generes on a 360 and PS3 and I expect I'll play totally new and crazy stuff on the Revolution.

[smokehouse]

I’ve thought all along that the Revolution will be a step sideways rather than a step forward. Kind of like switching tracks. I don’t expect it to be lumped in with the 360 and PS3. Nintendo would do well if the Revo is looked at like a secondary system. Someone would have the 360 and a Revo or the PS3 and a Revo.

[classicb]

Nintendo would do well if the Revo is looked at like a secondary system. Someone would have the 360 and a Revo or the PS3 and a Revo.

well if that happened wouldn't that make the Rev number one not number two.

[Chronodriftersx]

"nintendo is dumb they suck I don't like them they won't get me to play their system nya"

Stuff like that's not bothering me at all right now or from now on, I knew there were like "nintendo fanboys" but the antifanatacism is bursting a the seems at the chance to act out under the guise of an objective overview. R0VK ON!!!1 You guys, I always knew you existed (as opposed to The always apparent N fanboyism) but you hardly ever come out in such droves. What I'm saying is what a load of waisted energy, you're only making me laugh ("Nintendo's making a controller that was designed for only two or three games", Nintendo nailed a nice new coffin around itself haha", "Nintendo might succeed against the PSP" "Third parties are a no, this spells the end") Ah well I don't want to make you guys too angry, good luck on your crusade and all. Pfft, you slip among us and are more see through then a.. something that's ... a.. a transparent thing!
http://www.thestinkers.com/images2/ace2-01.jpg
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[Wavelflack]

"Pfft, you slip among as and are more see through then a.. something that's ... a.. a transparent thing!"

Awesome! We have Capcom's NES translator on the DP board! Congratulation. This post was ended.

[Chronodriftersx]

"Pfft, you slip among us and are more see through then a.. something that's ... a.. a transparent thing!"


quoted was a paraphrase from the movie grabs actually so no to that, but yeah "as" should be "us".

It was "meant" as satire, for people who like nintendo, since this is Nintendo's thread. But its only intended to bug anyone who's got the whole anti-nintendo affacianado agenda thing going. So um, sorry about your tail feathers? :)

[Wavelflack]

Don't worry about it. I just like picking on people who don't have any writing skills or literacy.
:)

[petewhitley]

there seems to be a few people on this board that are forgettin about the shell idea...go look at the mock up IGN made...If a company can make awesome unique games for the Rev, but also the tried and true games...why wouldnt they jump on the Nintendo bandwagon? They get the best of both worlds

But they won't get the best of both worlds, because Nintendo has stated over and over that they aren't looking to compete with Sony and Microsoft in terms of processing power, storage capacity, etc. If that's true (and everything points to it being true), we may see a Nintendo Revolution that is seriously underpowered and unable to run a proper port of the latest and greatest PS3/Xbox360 games. The "shell" controller is pretty meaningless in terms of 3rd party support if Nintendo is whole-heartedly behind this whole idea of creating a new paradigm in gaming ... and if they're not, then what's the point?

[Chronodriftersx]

who cares? Nintendo's a card company, they've aces up their sleeve, and the world's their oyster.


Don't worry about it. I just like picking on people who don't have any writing skills or literacy.
:)

yours too.

[Cmtz]

In the last interview Nintendo said they were not done. Anyone think they know what this means?

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

In the last interview Nintendo said they were not done. Anyone think they know what this means?
Presumably, judging by the starchy whiteness of the controller, they're going to pop it back in the oven until it's a crispy golden brown.

[studvicious]

Well they did say that the Revolution would be 2-3 times more powerful than the Gamecube. Just image a RE 4 type game multiplied by 3... there you go.

[Zadoc]

1. Waving your hand around and holding the remote up for a few hours will get old.

2. Waving one hand around to look in a FPS while using a traditional analog stick in the other hand is not going to be easy. Take your hands off of the keayboard and try it right now. How akward is that?

Non-tendo are done; stick a fork in them.

They'll be a 3rd party by the end of '08.

[Avenger]

1. Waving your hand around and holding the remote up for a few hours will get old.

2. Waving one hand around to look in a FPS while using a traditional analog stick in the other hand is not going to be easy. Take your hands off of the keayboard and try it right now. How akward is that?

Non-tendo are done; stick a fork in them.

They'll be a 3rd party by the end of '08.

you don't have to wave your hand around for hours..you can rest your hands comfortably on your lap and the controller doesn't have to be moved much at all...please look into stuff before you make such obviously false points. And if you don't know where to get information, watch the press conferance at Gamespot...then head over to 1up.com to watch the roundtable...or you can READ the info just about anywhere if your not feeling lazy.

[Julio III]

This is indeed a Revolution. Nintendo has just developed a completely new product. It is not a video game console. It is a whole new form of entertainment. I can see this being marketed as a completely new thing which could either be percieved as a gimmick and fail or actually take off and be bought and used by people - and the people I see it being most popular with are non-gamers. This is the market Nintendo has stated they are after and I think they could have it if they have the right software available on or near launch and market it correctly. The thing then is that this system can be used as a normal video game console also - simply with a new and exciting input device. The possibilities for FPS games seems really good and for games like that I don't percieve any fatigue as you simply rest your arm down on an armrest or your lap and move your wrist like simply using a TV remote control but with direction also. For racing games they can simply make a steering wheel controller which you plug in the freehand controller. Everyone else is simply doing more of what is currently being done but Nintendo are actually trying to open up completely new areas of growth and still cater towards the traditional gaming crowd.

[Avenger]

the one thing that worries me is that us here at DP are (mostly) thinking of the Revolution from a perspective of a gamer, a person who LOVES video games. But I keep having to remind myself that it doesn't matter how amazing this thing is going to be, everything comes down to money, and if its not worth EA's(and other 3rd partys) time to make games for the system, they won't, no matter how much they might personally love the system. So heres to hoping the Revolution is a big commercial success, so us gamers will get the quality products we want.

I dont wanna say 'hey support it or you dont love games', and i dont want to tell you what to do, but I feel like the more we suppost the Revolution (with our cold hard cash) the more we will get payed back in quality (3rd Party) games.

[le geek]

In the last interview Nintendo said they were not done. Anyone think they know what this means?
Presumably, judging by the starchy whiteness of the controller, they're going to pop it back in the oven until it's a crispy golden brown.

Slim Pickins sez: Remember, we're the best!

[JB Lars]

I was having an egosearch on my old posts, and thought I'd thread-necro this so everyone insisting that Nintendo was done could have a chuckle.