Will the Revolution Controller be revealed at TGS?

[le geek]

Okay all you videogame pundits! What do you think will be revealed by Nintendo at the TGS keynote? (which is Thursday evening EDT)

For the record I voted Sort of...

Cheers,
Ben

[pacmanhat]

I think it's a near certaintly that Iwata will say SOMETHING. It's probably almost as near of a certainty that what he says will be both revelaing and mysterious (this is Iwata, after all). We'll know more than we did, but still not everything. I for one am looking forward to it. :)

[Captain Wrong]

I'm between 2 and 3. I think they'll show something, but it's mostly going to be more promises and innuendo.

[goatdan]

I think it will be something to the effect of...

"We have a great new console with a ton of great new games that will push the medium further than it has ever been pushed before!"

Then they will show either Mario, Metroid, Zelda or Mario Kart footage and the Nintendo fans will go gaga and everyone else will wonder what the big deal is. (In the Nintendo fan's defense, it will be the same series of games done in relatively similar ways to the past. In the non-fans defense, it will be the same properties and they will look similiar to the older versions of the games).

Then, they'll announce a special day that they will unveil the controller that will make all the difference.

I don't see them revealing their hand yet, but I think they feel that they need to show something. If the above scenario doesn't happen, they'll pimp Zelda: TP the entire time and just allude to the fact the Revolution is coming.

[Muscelli]

it will probably be a letdown, which is what i think personally.. I mean, at this point, a rev controller that has a button to find the cure for cancer will even be a letdown, hyped to hell..

hopefully they will just show it though

[njiska]

Yeah i'm gonna agree with Dan on this one. Except that i really, really, really hope we hear something new about the controller. I hope Nintendo isn't doing a keynote just to do some bullshit hype.

[poopnes]

I really, really, really think that they're going to show the controller. But I'm not so sure about any software. But then again, why would they show controller if they didn't at least show some kind of software that demonstrates the controller's unique features. I just know that I will be highly disappointed if nothing is really revealed. Less than a day now...

[THATinkjar]

I'm certain they will show the controller. Anything else is a bonus. We'll probably see some footage, too, if only to show how the controller works. Whether it will be footage from new games, however, is debatable.

I'm guessing they're not concerned that either Microsoft or Sony will steal their ideas, now...

[Icarus Moonsight]

Considering Nintendo isn't a regular of TGS I'm guessing they have something very important (to their strategy) to reveal. Going "all in" right now seems kind of a waste when they've gone through all this trouble making all of us crazy and worked up over the mystery of the elusive controller. My bet is they answer a few questions just to leave us with ump-teen new ones.

As long as the theme of the thread is speculation and I'm too lazy to look up the Rev. Controller thread to post this, I thought I might as well drop my last minute guess in here.

I been looking at synthesizers recently. While watching a product demo and interview with Robert Moog debuting the new Moog Voyager I saw something that got my attention and drew my mind out of music and back into games. The new Moog has a Three-dimentional touch pad for adjusting parameters on the fly. It registers the X and Y axis much like the DS screen but, it also registers how much of the pad the user is in contact with for it's third set of input. Just speculation after all. :)

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I think he's just going to walk up to the podium, say "299,000 yen!" and then leave.

[AMG]

I'm not expecting Nintendo to show the controller. I would be very shocked if they did.

[WanganRunner]

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[Captain Wrong]

I think it will be something to the effect of...

"We have a great new console with a ton of great new games that will push the medium further than it has ever been pushed before!"

Then they will show either Mario, Metroid, Zelda or Mario Kart footage and the Nintendo fans will go gaga and everyone else will wonder what the big deal is. (In the Nintendo fan's defense, it will be the same series of games done in relatively similar ways to the past. In the non-fans defense, it will be the same properties and they will look similiar to the older versions of the games).

Then, they'll announce a special day that they will unveil the controller that will make all the difference.

I don't see them revealing their hand yet, but I think they feel that they need to show something. If the above scenario doesn't happen, they'll pimp Zelda: TP the entire time and just allude to the fact the Revolution is coming.

This is pretty much what I expect to happen as well.

[le geek]

Getting close to game time Pundits! Where all, some or none will be revealed! @_@

Cheers,
Ben

[studvicious]

So, is there a live feed for any of this? Where would be the best place to get the latest info?

[THATinkjar]

So, is there a live feed for any of this? Where would be the best place to get the latest info?

I read over at IGN earlier this week that there won't be a live feed. A video will be posted shortly after, though.

Is it tonight, or tomorrow night? I've read contradicting reports.

[njiska]

So, is there a live feed for any of this? Where would be the best place to get the latest info?

I read over at IGN earlier this week that there won't be a live feed. A video will be posted shortly after, though.

Is it tonight, or tomorrow night? I've read contradicting reports.

They already did post a pre TGS xbox conference and the Keynotes start in a few hours so sometime tonight IGN will have the Keynotes up. Here's hoping we see the Revolution controller.

[sabre2922]

Yes I think they will show the controller hell they have to show something and get some momentum going.

Maybe the controller will look something like this:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/7250867524329ee32e5185.jpg

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/15276480054329eef6b1d45.jpg

[THATinkjar]

They already did post a pre TGS xbox conference and the Keynotes start in a few hours so sometime tonight IGN will have the Keynotes up. Here's hoping we see the Revolution controller.

Great, thanks for that. I best hit the hay and pray tomorrow comes quickly :)

[PDorr3]

My bets are they they show the controller and that they demo some sorta mario game, or a tech demo of some sorts. If it is something truly inovative they will probably need to demonstrate it rather than explaine it.
Also shouldent we see a video around 8:00 eastern?

[studvicious]

Someone posted this on Nintendo.com's forum, not sure if it's true or not:


.- IGN and Gamespot have got a look at the controller a few hours ago, according to Amir0x. "I think you guys will freak out when you see the revolution controller... nintendo has gone insane!" is the reported quote.

I guess that could be good OR bad...

[Nes]

Holy cow! The controller is amazing! Good night Microsoft and Sony! Nintendo is back in business!!!!!!!

[Gamereviewgod]

Looks like a lacking DVD remote with a seperate analog stick. I'll wait to get it in my hands before making a call. Am I missing a slew of buttons or is that really it?

[portnoyd]

I'm not overwhelmed. I'm not underwhelmed. I guess I'm just whelmed about about the Revolution controller.

[portnoyd]

Broken website.

[scooterb23]

I'm going to have to wait and get my hands onit as well before I dare make any kind of final statement.

A plus I see is that since the analog stick is an attachment, I can utilize it in my right hand (the way I prefer it).

A negative I can see: I don't use my thumbs to control the sticks on my controllers, (never have) and this setup forces that...which is too unconfortable and imprecise for my liking.

I'm interested to see other attachments...

And yeah, 2 buttons it seems. I knew they were wanting to make games less complicated...this is a bit further than I expected them to go though.

Lookiing forward to hands-on testing to be sure.

[PapaStu]

For those not in the know, heres a pair of pictures

'In action'
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/15/screens_6133335.html?page=4

'all views'
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2308860&type=lg

It looks interesting to say the least. Good luck Nintendo. /me salutes

[Ninja Blacksox]

Hm.

This is either the gaming-equivalent of an iPod...

...or the last we've seen of Nintendo as a hardware developer.

I hate to say it, but I'm leaning towards the latter.

-A boy

[petewhitley]

Holy cow! The controller is amazing! Good night Microsoft and Sony

Why? Looks like Nintendo is going for gimmicks again. Yipee. It might actually work, but it sure as hell ain't gonna put Sony or Microsoft out of gaming. There is a future in bigger and better processors/graphics/etc.

From Gamespot: "It was very important to stand in the correct place for the demos, because the console actually tracks where you're pointing the controller at the screen, thanks to a small transmitter hidden inside the top of each controller." Sounds like a hassle. I want to sit on the damn sofa when I play games, not stand up in front of my TV for 3 hours.

From IGN: "This is a bold step for Nintendo. It will seemingly exclude the Revolution from a lot of third-party release. They'll all have to be tweaked if they hope to work well at all. So, this creates a rather large uphill battle for supporting the system with a consistent flow of content. However, the exciting part is that most games that are actually made for Revolution will be very unique and that's what Nintendo is aiming for. Unfortunately, as the DS has proven, unique doesn't always equal better gameplay." Exactly.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

What the hell is that thing? How am I supposed to play SNES or Gamecube games with it?

[Chronodriftersx]

question:
Will the revoluion Controller butter my toast and blueberry muffins, will it spread jelly on my pancakes? And can the gyro tilt the syrup bottle at the right axis of symmetry to deliver the most efficient yet stable pour angle? Someone please, anyone, I'll starve if I don't eat breakfast with condiments soon :-P :P

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I voted "Nope. Nintendo will play it close to the vest!" LOL

[njiska]

This may suprise a lot of you who know me, but i can't even come close to forming a sentence to describe that. All i can do is bang my head against the wall and hope i can come up with a way to rationalize that thing's existence.

I think nintendo just drove the final nail in their coffin. I can't say if it's a good controller or a bad control, but i can say it's so far out there that it's scare off everyone.

[Chronodriftersx]

I'll form one. Reminds me of how when some little boys find out girls have vaginas, at first they crinkle their faces not knowing what the hell. LOL

[scooterb23]

testament - extra attachment?? Maybe there will be a way to attach your existing controllers to this?

Wait and see...I'm sure things will become clearer eventually.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/15/commentary/game_over/revolution/index.htm?cnn=yes

This article spells things out pretty clearly. Interesting stuff.

Time will tell.

[Jive3D]

This is the hardest post that I have ever had to write.

I've been 100% behind Nintendo from the get go. Up until about ten minutes ago, I would have blindly followed Itata-san if he were walking straight off of a cliff, as long as he said "Trust me."

The first thing that I thought: Philips CD-i Controller. Then I thought about it, looked it over, read about IGN's test drive and calmed down - at least a little bit.

The real saving grace for this thing as far as traditional gaming goes is turning it on it's side like a NES controller. You've still got that trigger on the back side, which I'll bet will be perfectily reachable with your left index finger. The lack of buttons worries me, but many games are getting to the context sensative stage, where you dont need too many buttons for various actions. However, we dont want to go back to Space Ace/Dragon's Lair style where it's just one button push at the exact right time - but Nintendo is obviously smarter than that.

I think the controller is really cool, There are many possibilities and I particularly like the idea of swinging link's sword - and the possibilities of using 2 controllers at once. Perhaps using 4 of them and somehow attaching two to my legs? Thinking out loud.

I must admit, I expected something more spectacular than this. But then again, we have seen NOTHING yet. I must play with it first and really see what's up with it.

Granted Nintendo has a great backup plan - backwards compatibility with the Gamecube controllers (WAVEBIRD).

Then again - I think that I would still walk off the cliff with Iwata and Miyamoto alike - they are trying to get us to see games in a completely new way. From one angle it looks like you're walking off a cliff, but from an entirely different perspective, there is an obvious bridge that you're walking accross [think Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade].

Where will this bridge take us? I'm excited and scared all at once.

[sabre2922]

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/517893997432a446facf1e.jpg


http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/1753727726432a43ea88529.jpg


This is a JOKE PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A FREAKIN JOKE. X_x

NOOO what the hell Nintendo? WHAT THE HELL?

This thing will NOT catch on only true Nintendophiles will buy this thing.

It will alienate ynger gamers (Nintendos support system) and adults will look at this and scoff

Flashbacks of the CDi remote contoller and a LARGE SCALE VIRTUAL BOY FLOP abound.

I was really hoping Nintendo could pull this off but now ITS OVER I just know it is.

They should have had this GIMMICK REMOTE CONTROLLER as an optional plugin like the eyetoy or Sea man/Pokemon Microphone NOT THE STANDARD controller.

Can you imagine playing ANYTHING EXPEPT CUSTOM MADE GAMES and FPS with this thing?

This is sooo bad for Nintendo very very bad.

[le geek]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/15/commentary/game_over/revolution/index.htm?cnn=yes

This article spells things out pretty clearly. Interesting stuff.

Time will tell.Yep the Sort ofs have it. Going from the pictures I thought WTF. But it's sounds potentially awesome, getting closer to VR. But I wonder about:

fatigue during long play sessions
will it work for all genres
what about folks wil Carpal Tunnel

But the big deal is will developers bite?

Cheers,
Ben

[njiska]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/15/commentary/game_over/revolution/index.htm?cnn=yes

This article spells things out pretty clearly. Interesting stuff.

Time will tell.Yep the Sort ofs have it. Going from the pictures I thought WTF. But it's sounds potentially awesome, getting closer to VR. But I wonder about:

fatigue during long play sessions
will it work for all genres
what about folks wil Carpal Tunnel

But the big deal is will developers bite?

Cheers,
Ben

For gamer's it's an interesting idea, but from a business stand point i have to classify it as:


COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE!!!


I mean how do you make a cross platform game with that? For Rev exclusive i think it'll probably work just fine but for multi platform it's going to be akward.

It's just too different to catch the average gamer. It so different it's scary. It sounds functional, but it's just too far away from the norm.

[James]

Well, I'm at a loss for words, that's not what I was expecting at all. I was expecting something along the lines of the image sabre2922 posted, that would have been a good competent controller. I'll have to judge for myself though, it's going to be weird playing games with one hand and having the other attached by a small wire, on the plus side its omni dexterous.

No one who hasn't used this yet should really comment weather its good or bad. All in all I'm kind of skeptical on this one. At first glance developers aren't going to like this though.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I dunno, as more of a "casual gamer" myself, I find an ocean of buttons all over a controller off-putting. By comparison, this looks...well...simpler. As if the games might be more approachable.

Are you sure you're not confusing the average consumer with the hardcore gamer?

[njiska]

I dunno, as more of a "casual gamer" myself, I find an ocean of buttons all over a controller off-putting. By comparison, this looks...well...simpler. As if the games might be more approachable.

Are you sure you're not confusing the average consumer with the hardcore gamer?

Causal gamers like things to be simple, but they also like them to be the same. The Rev control looks akward. Too many buttons is one thing but how do you think they'll respond to 3d movement, tilt sensing, and that god damn seperate analog stick? I think it's going to be far more akward for the casual gamer. Of course the only way to know for sure is to let the casual gamer play.

[namzep]

I think it's a weird concept as they're primary controller. I agree with the few of you have been saying that it wouldn't be bad if it was an optional item, as opposed to the main way of controlling anything. It's really hard to make a judgement based solely on the pictures and reviews, though. I'll have to wait till it comes out and I get a chance to play with it to see how well it holds up (and my arms hold up).

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

Exactly. I'm not even going to pass judgement until I've gotten to play the thing for myself, but as far as first appearances...I guess I'm not as put off by it as some people are.

Then again, almost nobody markets games to folks like me anymore. :P

[scooterb23]

fatigue during long play sessions

A very valid point IMO...at work we used to have a show where we had to use a gyroscopic mouse for 30 minutes...after that amount of time my hand would usually start to get fatigued.

[badinsults]

Remember this thread?

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27252&start=0

[sabre2922]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/15/commentary/game_over/revolution/index.htm?cnn=yes

This article spells things out pretty clearly. Interesting stuff.

Time will tell.Yep the Sort ofs have it. Going from the pictures I thought WTF. But it's sounds potentially awesome, getting closer to VR. But I wonder about:

fatigue during long play sessions
will it work for all genres
what about folks wil Carpal Tunnel

But the big deal is will developers bite?

Cheers,
Ben

For gamer's it's an interesting idea, but from a business stand point i have to classify it as:


COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE!!!


I mean how do you make a cross platform game with that? For Rev exclusive i think it'll probably work just fine but for multi platform it's going to be akward.

It's just too different to catch the average gamer. It so different it's scary. It sounds functional, but it's just too far away from the norm.

For once njiska my man I agree with you COMPLETELY AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

This is just KILLING ME the thought of NO Nintendo systems (other than handheld) NO Sega systems and only Sony and freakin Microsoft to choose from is a hellish nightmare of a thought for a real gamer.

You've got to look at the bigger picture here this will cut 3rd party support down to a trickle and many popular game franchises will be unplayable with this console plain and simple can anyone imagine playing ANY KINDS OF SPORTS GAME WITH THIS THING?

No matter how mush we may argue amonst oursleves and not like it the SPORTS GENRES are what makes or breaks a system in North america and many other parts of the world.
Can you imagine playing madden or GTA or Final Fantasy with this thing? I SURE AS HELL CANT.

This is just killing me :frustrated:

[Push Upstairs]

I'm estatic that i can now play my favorite DVD's on a Nintendo system!!

Oh wait...thats the controller. LOL


As for the person hoping you can turn it on its side and play like an NES controller....how do you do that if your left hand (using the D-pad) rubs right over the power button?

Anyway...

Goodbye Nintendo.

Not from making systems, but the final goodbye from me. I's say more, but i'm at a complete loss.

p.s. Nintendo went nuts years ago.

[grayrobertos]

Has everyone forgot that you can still use gamecube controllers to play ports, and n64-nes games.

[Jive3D]

playing the DS for a while can hurt your hand too, with the Metroid Prime: Hunters control scheme...but they released it anyway.

In all honesty, I'm just trying to figure out how they are going to give us Mario 128, how will the new Mario game use all of the features as real gameplay elements and not completely gimmicked out the window.

You've got to hand it to them though - They are thinking very hard about what they are doing, the don't want to be anything like the other two big companies - who pretty much are following a stale model - sure the traditional setup lets us play the games that we know how to play - But I really think that this can open up new doors for gaming...

The hype machine really destroyed this for everyone, especially with that fake Nintendo ON movie made a while back. But, the developers are really keen on the idea. Hell Hideo Kojima praise it already - we're really going to be seeing some different games. This new scheme coupled with online gaming is going to be very interesting.

[diskoboy]

Jesus Christ.... those are just awful.

Where's the analog controller? Will it turn my TV on and off?

[Jive3D]

As for the person hoping you can turn it on its side and play like an NES controller....how do you do that if your left hand (using the D-pad) rubs right over the power button?



I'm sure that the power button is just like the DS power button, which would also be easy to push and shut the system off - had it not controlled the way that it does in that you've got to push and hold it. Eh, who knows.

[njiska]

Has everyone forgot that you can still use gamecube controllers to play ports, and n64-nes games.

Doesn't matter. A system should not judged by an old controller. The GC controller is completely irrelevant to this debate. Although i do wish it was the primary one.


God :frustrated: Damn :frustrated: Nintendo :frustrated:. Stop :frustrated: doing :frustrated: this :frustrated:. It's bad :frustrated: for :frustrated: business :frustrated:. Good for potential, but most likely bad for business.

[sabre2922]

Has everyone forgot that you can still use gamecube controllers to play ports, and n64-nes games.

Yes im sure were all well aware of that fact but developers will not make NEW REVOLUTION GAMES WITH THE GAMECUBE CONTROLLER IN MIND.

You cannot make a game for a system designed for a controller that isnt the standard controller and hope for it to be successful. ;)

[grayrobertos]

no it does matter. There not saying lets play n64 games with this new pad. Also surely MS and sony have just used there old controllers?

[Jive3D]

God :frustrated: Damn :frustrated: Nintendo :frustrated:. Stop :frustrated: doing :frustrated: this :frustrated:. It's bad :frustrated: for :frustrated: business :frustrated:. Good for potential, but most likely bad for business.

I'm feeling the same way :frustrated: - a little bit hopeful - but essentially confused and befuddled.:frustrated:

[sabre2922]

This is the end....the only end my friend :guitar:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/1465977849432a4f225c5ff.jpg

[njiska]

no it does matter. There not saying lets play n64 games with this new pad. Also surely MS and sony have just used there old controllers?

The PS3 and 360 are STOCK SYSTEM CONTROLLERS. They are the main controller. If the GC controller was the main revolution controller then it would be relevant, but it's not. Besides the Revolution isn't just an emulator, that what an Xbox is for, the revolution is a new system and new games will NOT take the GC controller into account. If they do then the revolution control is completely fucking pointless which just makes this situation even more bizzare.

So i repeat:

God :frustrated: Damn :frustrated: Nintendo :frustrated:. Stop :frustrated: doing :frustrated: this :frustrated:. It's bad :frustrated: for :frustrated: business :frustrated:. Good for potential, but most likely bad for business.

[studvicious]

Wow.. I really don't know what to say. The thought of waving my hands around just to control a game is a real turn off to me - no thanks. But I really can't wait to try it to see what it's actually like. Who knows... maybe they've actually got something cool here. Crazy... wow.

[SoulBlazer]

:eek 2:

What can I say that has'nt been said allready?

It looks really different, allright, and I can imagine we'll see some great games to use the controller....but how well will it work in pratice? Will developers make games for it?

I can answer one question -- I imagine that someone (maybe even Nintendo themselves) will make a wireless 'traditional' controller to allow games that are ported over to the Revolution by third party companies from the XBox 360 and PS3 to be played. You HAVE to. This Rev controller is just TOO DIFFERENT to allow anything to be ported over.

[Daria]

I had an initial "WTF" moment when I first saw the pictures. But, I'm all for it now. The potential for this thing is huge. The controller can turn into any periphrial device, fishing rod, driving wheel, mouse, light gun. It's everything rolled up in one. Not to mention the potential in that any developer can hand design their own fucking interface that best fits the needs of their individual games. And just imagine if they release a touch screen/stylus pad ad on.

For the price increase on both system and games all you're getting from Sony and Microsoft is bigger and better specs. Whoopee new graphics cards. They're stagnant, Nintendo's going the route of innovation and progression. It's what the industry needs. This is the system I'm buying on launch.

[njiska]

This is the end....the only end my friend :guitar:

Ok that is offically the best thing to be said on this subject yet. Well done.

[lendelin]

To all N fans: Don't desert the ship so easily and give N a chance. We still don't know HOW this controller works and how it plays.

What I don't understand about this rather extreme disappoined reaction of N fans is the surprise factor. This kind of controller could be expected, it is something which I say for a year now based on Ns statements and subtle leaks about the system and gaming habits what supposedly the gameplayer today wants: do not expect the Revolution to be a traditional console, it will be a hybrid handheld/portable system. Do also not expect traditional next-gen games for this systyem, this is left to Sony and MS.

How much more subtle could Iwata have been when he stated more than nine months ago that N will not try to compete with Sony and MS with the new Revolution?

How much more signals could he have delivered when stating that gamers want shorter games and are not impressed by cutting-edge graphics?

How much more could have a PR startegy been rebvealing than consistently referring to the success of cell-phone games, changed leisure time activities due to the Internet, and more approachable simpler games?

How much more could he have prepared the handheld emphasis of the new system than by stating that N will go after the hardcore gamer AND the casual gamer at the same time?

Back then I wrote again and again read the writings on the wall, but lots of people still dealt with illusions rather than reality.

This isn't a surprise. About the controller: I don't know how well that thing plays and how good the control is for games; furthermore, we don't know the games.

It seems there are a lot of obstacles to overcome to make it a success. Game developers won't flock around it for sure, in particular not for triple A titles they want on two traditional consoles. The Reggie quote about the fishing game also hints at a handheld market; and if I want to use the traditional 'free' analog control for Metroid as a right-hander, I know for sure I will have probs with that in my left hand (very different from a analog stick on the left which I can garb with two hands).

It seems to me a lot like the N DS: there might be a lack of third-party support for this kind of control and system; however, it is marketed to a very different audience than the traditrional console player, so it might be a success as what it is intended: a handheld system with console aspects with shorter and approachable games.

This way, N fosters their strong economic foot in the handheld business, and retrieves where they had disappointing success in the last ten years, the console business.

Not the dumbest move by N.

Overallo, I say wait...we don't know a lot of details, there will be surprising details in the future which makes the system look better than it is now. But for me, the general direction of Ns path going with the Revolution is pretty clear for some time now.

[sabre2922]

:eek 2:

What can I say that has'nt been said allready?

It looks really different, allright, and I can imagine we'll see some great games to use the controller....but how well will it work in pratice? Will developers make games for it?

I can answer one question -- I imagine that someone (maybe even Nintendo themselves) will make a wireless 'traditional' controller to allow games that are ported over to the Revolution by third party companies from the XBox 360 and PS3 to be played. You HAVE to. This Rev controller is just TOO DIFFERENT to allow anything to be ported over.

exactly

Lets hope that Nintendo comes to their senses and give us gamers and most importanty those who actually control the idustry the casuals who will most likely be flaborgasted by this thing an alternative LIKE A NORMAL CONTROLLER so other games can be ported over to the Rev from Xbox360 and PS3.

Come on Nintendo please get off your pedastal for once and see that this thing should have been an ALTERNATIVE CONROLLER NOT THE STANDARD.

also dont bother posting over at the Gamespot forums youll get flames out the wazoo unless you plan on kissing Nintendos ass and claiming that this impending disaster is the second coming and this REMOTE CONTROLLER IS THE GREATEST THING TO HAPPEN SINCE SLICED BREAD LOL

[djbeatmongrel]

All i have to say is that this is a bold step and i'll have to wait and see how this pans out.

Remember when the DS was announced and everyone laughed about how silly of a concept it seemed, "2 screens, wtf am i gonna do with 2 screens?" hell i did it to, i didnt think the ds was gonna be a good system at all. once it came out and titles starting really coming out for it, my head turned and i saw what nintendo was doing and they seemed to have the right idea about where handheld gaming can go.

We seem to be doing the same thing about the revolutions controller. Counting it off as a flop before it has even been played by the consumer! i suggest we sit back in a non partisan manner and see what unfolds in the future with the revolution because it could be good, or it could be bad, WE haven't had the first hand expeirence to see what it is like.

[fpbrush]

Agreed with Daria.

I'm excited that we aren't getting Gamecube2. I was worried about this next-gen of videogame consoles being another round of upgraded graphics. We have finally made a step in GAMEPLAY. If this specific example works or not, we will see. But whether you like it or not, your idea of a controller has been changed.

G'night folks.

[petewhitley]

For the price increase on both system and games all you're getting from Sony and Microsoft is bigger and better specs. Whoopee new graphics cards.

But that's what I want. That's what alot of people want. Better looking, more detailed, bigger games with smarter AI. Why does Iwata think that the industry is stagnating? Gaming continues to increase in profitability and popularity, globally if not locally in Japan. New gaming genres (in a large part driven by spec increases, ala GTA) continue to change the face of gaming. You can't shake the feeling that Nintendo is telling us what we want. It's not even that big of a jump in control (hello Powerglove); it's just big enough to alienate 3rd parties and discourage cross-platform ports, just as the N64 cartridges did and to some extent the custom GameCube disc format did. This is a forced evolution in control, and as such, it stands less likely to revolutionize anything.

[Daria]

For the price increase on both system and games all you're getting from Sony and Microsoft is bigger and better specs. Whoopee new graphics cards.

But that's what I want. That's what alot of people want. Better looking, more detailed, bigger games with smarter AI. Why does Iwata think that the industry is stagnating? Gaming continues to increase in profitability and popularity, globally if not locally in Japan. New gaming genres (in a large part driven by spec increases, ala GTA) continue to change the face of gaming. You can't shake the feeling that Nintendo is telling us what we want. It's not even that big of a jump in control (hello Powerglove); it's just big enough to alienate 3rd parties and discourage cross-platform ports, just as the N64 cartridges did and to some extent the custom GameCube disc format did. This is a forced evolution in control, and as such, it stands less likely to revolutionize anything.

How's Nintendo dictating what you want? If you want flashy visuals there's already two consoles providing that experience for you. For the rest of us that feel there's something lacking, we have Nintendo's new approach. So sorry that three major comapanies aren't catering to your specfic desires.

[fpbrush]

You can't shake the feeling that Nintendo is telling us what we want.

Nintendo told you that you wanted the side scroller. And the D-pad.

Listen, I know what you are all saying and I understand your concerns. But Playstation3 and Xbox360 have the bases COVERED for nextgen supergraphics systems. Why not try something different and unique. It may be the next Virtual Boy or it may be the next NES, props to Nintendo for trying!

[njiska]

To all N fans: Don't desert the ship so easily and give N a chance. We still don't know HOW this controller works and how it plays.

What I don't understand about this rather extreme disappoined reaction of N fans is the surprise factor. This kind of controller could be expected, it is something which I say for a year now based on Ns statements and subtle leaks about the system and gaming habits what supposedly the gameplayer today wants: do not expect the Revolution to be a traditional console, it will be a hybrid handheld/portable system. Do also not expect traditional next-gen games for this systyem, this is left to Sony and MS.

How much more subtle could Iwata have been when he stated more than nine months ago that N will not try to compete with Sony and MS with the new Revolution?

How much more signals could he have delivered when stating that gamers want shorter games and are not impressed by cutting-edge graphics?

How much more could have a PR startegy been rebvealing than consistently referring to the success of cell-phone games, changed leisure time activities due to the Internet, and more approachable simpler games?

How much more could he have prepared the handheld emphasis of the new system than by stating that N will go after the hardcore gamer AND the casual gamer at the same time?

Back then I wrote again and again read the writings on the wall, but lots of people still dealt with illusions rather than reality.

This isn't a surprise. About the controller: I don't know how well that thing plays and how good the control is for games; furthermore, we don't know the games.

It seems there are a lot of obstacles to overcome to make it a success. Game developers won't flock around it for sure, in particular not for triple A titles they want on two traditional consoles. The Reggie quote about the fishing game also hints at a handheld market; and if I want to use the traditional 'free' analog control for Metroid as a right-hander, I know for sure I will have probs with that in my left hand (very different from a analog stick on the left which I can garb with two hands).

It seems to me a lot like the N DS: there might be a lack of third-party support for this kind of control and system; however, it is marketed to a very different audience than the traditrional console player, so it might be a success as what it is intended: a handheld system with console aspects with shorter and approachable games.

This way, N fosters their strong economic foot in the handheld business, and retrieves where they had disappointing success in the last ten years, the console business.

Not the dumbest move by N.

Overallo, I say wait...we don't know a lot of details, there will be surprising details in the future which makes the system look better than it is now. But for me, the general direction of Ns path going with the Revolution is pretty clear for some time now.

You make some good points but the one thing i don't see being adressed is that Nintendo doesn't dictate who they compete with and what market they get, we do. They can say they aren't going to compete with Sony and MS but the bottom line is if you're a console you have to with them. Even if you don't want to. You can make non-standard next gen but it's how the customer looks at you that really matters. Nintendo claims that the DS isn't competing with PSP but the bottom line is that it does. In the minds and wallets of most gamers they're in direct competition. That's why i'm worried about the Revolution. Nintendo doesn't have the weight in the market to just make this drastic a change and expect other companies to follow. They have to hope other companies will follow and honestly i don't think they will. They might do a few experiments with the Rev, but it's not like you can expect full support. Multi-platform games won't translate well to the Rev because of the different styles and the lack of buttons.

Nintendo didn't make a bad move, they just made a very VERY risky move that looks like it's gonna be a very bad business decision.

I agree that the only way we're gonna know for sure is when it happens. Right now all bets are off.

[sabre2922]

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/weblogs/upload/50/1436116761432a5755acf1b.jpg

The unit is held in one hand. It interacts with included motion sensors (which are placed on the left and right sides of televisions) to become a virtual conductor, of sorts. It detects motions, angles, directions and depths in a realistic manner, offering more freedom and precision in games than ever before. Imagine sticking your hand in a 3D box and being able to input all of your movement in games and you've got the basic idea. The bottom of the controller features an expansion slot, by which a number of add-ons are possible. Nintendo demonstrated an analog stick, held the opposite hand, which is sure to help maker first-person shooters more intuitive than they have ever been before on any home console.
Features at a glance:


Remote control design: constructed to appeal to a wide variety of potential players
3D Pointing: Sensors understand up, down, left, right, forward and backward.
Tilt Sensitive: Controller can be rotated or rolled from side-to-side.
Buttons Included: Has a trigger on its backside, face buttons, and a D-Pad.
Multifunctional: Has an expansion port which can be used with different types of controller peripherals. Analog stick with two trigger buttons planned for left hand.
Wireless: Totally wire-free. Currently there are no details on the max distance, source or power, or otherwise.
Rumble Built-in. Included standard in all the controllers.



Thankx for locking my poll by the way ;)

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I think I said this before, but what the heck, I'll say it again: I'll pass judgement when I see how it affects the gameplay and the fun. I'm not a stockholder. I don't have any vested interest in Nintendo's sales, or Sony's, or Microsoft's (and I still wonder why other fellow non-stockholders give a flip too). All I care about is: Can they entertain me? Heck, they just might. I'll have to wait and see.

[Ze_ro]

I suppose this thread doesn't exactly need yet another person's 2 cents, but I for one think this controller looks very promising.

After all, you have the analog stick and a decent number of buttons (substituting the D-pad for 4 buttons if necessary) and gyroscopics on top of that. Right there you have enough to control pretty much any game, as well as performs neat tricks with the gyroscopics to swing golf clubs, shoot the TV set as a light gun, or whatever other nifty ideas game developers think of. Then on top of that you have the expansion port which pretty much leaves things open for whatever whacky ideas couldn't be done with what's already there. Heck, you could make a cheap Densha de Go throttle for this thing, since it would just piggyback on the wireless transmitter that's already in the controller (thus saving some cost on production).

Honesty, I can't think of anything this controller couldn't theoretically do. The only deal-breaker I can really see here is if the thing turns out to be excessively uncomfortable.

--Zero

[Slimedog]

I wonder how much the 3D hand movements will play in actual game design. I can just see trying to pull off a dragon punch and accidently belting player 2.