Deal with fellow DPer gone sour...need advice...

[jdchess]

Hey guys. I recently bought 13 N64 games from a DP member through the B/S forum. He had stated that the games were all in "near mint - mint." I explained to him that the cosmetic condition was very important to me because I only wanted games in my collection that were at least NM. I sent a paypal payment of $72.00 (the agreed upon price). A couple of days later I recieved the games. Three of the 13 games were in decent condition, but the other ten were in really, really bad shape. They all had bad label damage...some torn, some scuffed, and a couple even had bubbling labels like the game had been wet. The two games that I was mainly interested in were Mario Party 2 and Pokemon Stadium 2. The Pokemon Stadium 2 label was scuffed really badly and the rear label was actually torn. The Mario Party 2 label was so badly worn that there was more "white" on the label than there was color. Obviously, I was pretty unhappy about this. I contacted the seller and explained my concern. He said that the games were in "excellent condition," and refused to give me a refund. I even offered to cover the return shipping costs myself, but still, he refused. Obviously, I was even more upset at this point. He then contacts me and says that he has a solution to our problem. He says that I should file an insurance claim since the games left is house in excelent condtion and arrived to me in less than excellent condition. He said that the post office carrier must have damaged the package. I told him that he and I both knew that this type of "damage," severe label damage, could NOT occur during shipping. In my understanding this would constitute insurance FRAUD, a VERY VERY serious issue. I told him that I would have no part in making the PO pay for something they had no hand in damaging. He still insisted on filing the claim anyway, but I of course refused. I told him that instead of a full refund I would accept a partial refund of $20.00 and I would keep the games and we would call it even. He agreed to this. He refunded $4.87 to my paypal account and said that he would get me the other $15.13 as soon as he could. The $4.87 payment happened on August 15th. I had not seen any other money as of today, so I PMed him to inquire about when to expect the balance. He PMed me back and said that he had changed his mind and that he was not going to pay me anymore and that I was lucky he refunded anything at all. I have PM's saved that show he agreed to the partial refund and also show that he tried to get me to commit insurance fraud. Simple question what should I do? Anything at all or just forget about the $15.00? Leave neg feedback in the feedback forum (which I'm sure he would reciprocate)? Any advice is appreciated.

I'm sorry for the long post, but it was necessary to explain the situation fully. Thanks for looking!!

[Daria]

So... who was it?

[jdchess]

I don't want to say who it was until I decide what to do...if anything at all. O_O

[RCM]

Send him a PM and explain you're going to out him if he doesn't pay up in 24 hours. If he pays don't out him. But you'd be helping us all if you did. I don't want to get fucked over by this member.

[kainemaxwell]

Mention who it is in our feedback forum, this is why we have that.

[petewhitley]

You probably don't have any real recourse here. Paypal isn't going to help you, and you rightly don't want to file a false P.O. claim. I'd post the in the feedback forum and chalk it up as a lesson learned (the lesson being insist on clear digital photos of all purchases).

[jdchess]

My first thought was to leave negative feedback, but I am worried that he will do the same even though I did nothing wrong and paid immediately. So I shouldn't worry about this?

[evil_genius]

I would simply expose him.

[Half Japanese]

You probably don't have any real recourse here. Paypal isn't going to help you, and you rightly don't want to file a false P.O. claim. I'd post the in the feedback forum and chalk it up as a lesson learned (the lesson being insist on clear digital photos of all purchases).

Wait just a minute. Every time I hear someone bitch about paypal, it's because the BUYER has all the rights in paypal. If he has no proof of delivery or anything of the sort, you could very well have paypal refund your entire purchase if you pushed hard enough. It sucks for honest sellers who get gipped by shitty buyers, but in your case, ride that bitch (back) to the bank.

[petewhitley]

Wait just a minute. Every time I hear someone bitch about paypal, it's because the BUYER has all the rights in paypal. If he has no proof of delivery or anything of the sort, you could very well have paypal refund your entire purchase if you pushed hard enough. It sucks for honest sellers who get gipped by shitty buyers, but in your case, ride that bitch (back) to the bank.

I guess he could do that, though it's really playing hardball (to claim you never received it, which is essentially what he would need to do). Going to Paypal with the real story isn't likely to result in any help (in my experience they aren't interested in disputes over the quality of purchases).

[goatdan]

Actually, this brings up an interesting side point about N64 carts (and to a lesser extent, SNES and NES) that I've always wondered myself -- if the back label is damaged but the front label is in pristine condition, does this constitute a "poor" label? Usually, I say that it is the front label that makes the difference, and if there are blemishes to the back label it isn't a big deal. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks because I don't want to ever get into this situation with any games I'm selling from the GOAT Store :)

[jdc]

I'd suggest that you both find an amicable agreement that satisfies you both. Too bad I hadn't of known you wanted N64 stuff. I just dumped 3/4 of my collection....and they WERE all mint completes, right down to the cart baggies and blow-in cards. It's situations like this that are the main reason that I only buy from "bricks 'n mortar" stores. One man's mint is another's so-so.

As far as the label thing? I have a few loose carts, ex-rentals, that had bad back labels due to the big Blockbuster stickers. I simply removed them in their entirety. Gotta have great front labels though.

[davidbrit2]

He then contacts me and says that he has a solution to our problem. He says that I should file an insurance claim since the games left is house in excelent condtion and arrived to me in less than excellent condition. He said that the post office carrier must have damaged the package. I told him that he and I both knew that this type of "damage," severe label damage, could NOT occur during shipping. In my understanding this would constitute insurance FRAUD, a VERY VERY serious issue.

First, allow me to say that I am not a lawyer.

It seems like any half-decent law enforcement agency would jump all over a case involving conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. If you've got enough solid evidence, and the potential damages to the insurer are large enough to warrant an investigation, I suppose that's always an option.

Assuming you still have the box they were shipped in, it should be reasonably obvious that it was not damaged in transit. The tracking/package number will help solidify this.

I say save and print all the PMs (both sent and received). You're lucky you were corresponding via a medium like phpBB that saves the original messages on the server until deleted. Then that can be subpoenaed as evidence from the site admins, along with the IP addresses from whence the messages came - you can show with reasonable certainty that they were coming from the computer of the person you believe them to be coming from. Get a sworn affidavit from Joe or another admin/owner that the disclosed message contents and origins are true, and presto, problem solved. ;-)

[jdchess]

Unfortunately, I don't have the box or the shipping form anymore. I refuse to lie to paypal about the situation. Do any of you think I have any recourse through paypal if I give them the full story? The original payment was made on July 21st. Has it been too long to file a claim with paypal? Also, do you really think I should turn this over to the authorities? It was a fairly small amount ($72.00), but the principle of it is what matters.

[Flack]

Well the search engine turned up the buying/selling post in about 2 seconds. Since this is a regular DP member I would send them one PM with your final demands, and if they are not met then I would leave feedback for sure. It would be a shame if something like this couldn't be settled civilly.

[jdchess]

Thanks for the post Flack. Very good detective work finding the post by the way 8-) Do I have any recourse if and when he leaves negative feedback for me? I don't want to lose out on future trades because some jerk left unwarrented neg feedback.

[badinsults]

Yeah, post in the feedback forum. We don't want other members to be burned.

[briskbc]

I would tell him you will post a picture of the "near mint / mint" items in his feedback and on all the boards he uses. If he doesn't believe you. Do it. Show people how he burned you.

[Dr. Morbis]

Actually, this brings up an interesting side point about N64 carts (and to a lesser extent, SNES and NES) that I've always wondered myself -- if the back label is damaged but the front label is in pristine condition, does this constitute a "poor" label? Usually, I say that it is the front label that makes the difference, and if there are blemishes to the back label it isn't a big deal. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks because I don't want to ever get into this situation with any games I'm selling from the GOAT Store :)
I agree that it is the front label that determines the "quality", but it is common courteousy to be honest and up front if the back label is butchered in some way. Cart backs are easily swappable for the most part, (damn you late-era NES games!) but not everyone owns a securtiy bit.

As for this dispute... I think it should be posted in the buying and selling forum, not here.

[hezeuschrist]

Thanks for the post Flack. Very good detective work finding the post by the way 8-) Do I have any recourse if and when he leaves negative feedback for me? I don't want to lose out on future trades because some jerk left unwarrented neg feedback.

Link to this post when he leaves you negative feedback.

[LifeGame]

I personnally think that the front label is 99% of the condition of a game not if the game itself is cracked of course.
LOL
On the other hand, about this deal gone wrong, telling the authorities is a little too much in my book.

Have a good night fellas -_-

[Bluteg]

I personally think that unless a cartridge based game is over $20 or more the back label should not be an issue unless its bad enough to affect it internally.

[Oobgarm]

Well the search engine turned up the buying/selling post in about 2 seconds. Since this is a regular DP member I would send them one PM with your final demands, and if they are not met then I would leave feedback for sure. It would be a shame if something like this couldn't be settled civilly.

This is your best bet.

As for the rear labels....your could just go out and buy some cheap N64 games from EB and remove the backs, and you'll have nice looking rear labels.

[BrokenFlight]

What's the point in a feedback forum if people are too scared to say something bad about another member?

If they post something bad about you, reply with a link to this thread. It may be bad etiquette to post in your own feedback thread but I'm sure people will be understanding.

[Flack]

Thanks for the post Flack. Very good detective work finding the post by the way 8-) Do I have any recourse if and when he leaves negative feedback for me? I don't want to lose out on future trades because some jerk left unwarrented neg feedback.

Sure. If it's unwarranted, I'll just delete it. No worries there.

[jdchess]

I sent him a PM last night. This is what I sent:

"I don't understand why you have suddenly changed your mind. I presented you with two options and you chose and AGREED to the partial refund of $20.00. Those games were not in NM - MINT condition as you originally stated and you know it. It's time to stop lying about it. On top of that you tried to get me to commit insurance FRAUD. You know that severe label wear and tear doesn't happen during shipping. I still have copies of all the PM's which provide proof that you tried to do this and they also prove that you agreed to the partial refund of $20.00. I want us to solve this in a civil manner. I have to demand that you complete your end of the bargin and send the remainder of the partial refund ($15.13). If not, I am prepared to pursue an aggressive, legal course of action. Thank you for your time."


The reply I got was this:

"Agressive legal action? Get real. I never once said anything about insurance "FRUAD" as you put it. I said the only way the games could have changed condtion from me to you would be from shipping damage cause I knwo what I sent you and the diffence in my opinion and yours. So ya, Agressive legal action? Take your threats and shove them up your ass. You got N64 games for like 3 or 4 bucks a pop for great titles (some $20 dollars each on the market), I EVEN SENT YOU PICTURES OF SOME OF THE GAMES!! and then bitched about it cause there not as Mint as you personally expected? I owe you nothing and I should never have given you the $5 bucks I already did, that was just stupidity on my part."

He then added this at the end:

"Oh yeah, So how does it feel to be threatening a mentaly disabled person?? Does it make you feel cool? If I was ever to give you a damn thing it would be a reality check and to tell you to pull your head out of your ass."

First of all, he did send me a pic of three or four of the games, but the picture was of the games that in OK shape. Label damage is hard to see in a pic unless it is very close-up (which is what I ask for now EVERYTIME). The pic was fuzzy and made it hard to obtain the real condition, but I could tell that the labels were intact. He assured me that all the games were in NM - MINT condition and I believed him...my mistake. He had some positive feedback and had been a regular member for some time, so I trusted him, but obviously I was wrong for doing so. Also, his math is off. He said I paid 3 or 4 "bucks a pop," but $67.13 / 13 games = $5.16 each. The $4 each would be the price AFTER the partial refund we had agreed to: $72 - $20 = $52 / 13 games = $4 each. On top of everything I cannot believe I got a guilt trip...after being lied to and asked to commit a crime. I mean some people have hard knocks in life, as do most of us, but it doesn't give someone who does the right to cheat someone and lie to them. I suppose I will never see the rest of the refund, but it's not about the money at this point, it's the principle and I also don't want this guy to rip another fellow DPer off for a larger amount in the future. Sorry if sort of turned into a rant. Thanks for all the input guys.

[Zing]

I know that for some reason, N64 games seem to have more damaged labels than any other carts I have seen. WHY? How the hell does a cart label get ripped in half? How does the rear label get ripped? In all my years of gaming, I have never even scratched a label, let alone tear one off.

[importaku]

Its time to name & shame so the rest of us dont risk getting burned by the same guy.

:angry:

[Yamazaki]

If he is mentally disabled he shouldn't be selling or buying at all! Thats my 5 cent! Especially if he starts to act retarded and insults you!

Name & shame I say! Nail this idiot!

[Daria]

I say name the guy, and post a picture of the cartridges you recieved in his feedback thread.

[jdchess]

I would post a pic of the carts right now if I could, but I'm without a digicam at the moment. Had a pixel on the sensor burn out and then the entire sensor just went south. :/ Working on getting a new digicam, but it will be a while...getting married this weekend, so you guys can imagine how tight the money is right now O_O :eek 2:

[Cmosfm]

A quick search did turn up the culprit, like Flack said. I just know of one more person I do not plan to do buisness with in the future.

His responses seem completely unreasonable, and claiming that severe label damage happened during shipping is astounding! Man, I wish *I* Had the balls to lie like that.

I commend your ability to be honest and fair in this situation, the guy is being an ass, I'd have already complained to Paypal about "not recieving them".

[Yamazaki]

@ychedness: Putting this trouble aside - Congratulation!!

[qbertandernie]

not that i do much business here, but if i received 'mint' games that were missing or had damaged back labels id be pissed. 'mint' to me means mint all around...how long does it take to type 'the back labels arent intact'?

[Daria]

not that i do much business here, but if i received 'mint' games that were missing or had damaged back labels id be pissed. 'mint' to me means mint all around...how long does it take to type 'the back labels arent intact'?

I thought the front labels were fucked too? Or are they all perfect sans the back lables? Cause that's pretty easily remedied.

[jdchess]

Daria, it was the front labels that were screwed up, not just the back ones. Like you said, that would be easily fixed if it were only the back labels.

[Daria]

Daria, it was the front labels that were screwed up, not just the back ones. Like you said, that would be easily fixed if it were only the back labels.

That's what I thought, just all these back label posts were messing with my head. :P

[jdchess]

I was just sent another PM from this guy. Now it's just getting immature and annoying. This is the PM:

"Guilt trip is not the intent. Consperacy? Your a wack job. What the hell is wrong with your head? Did you forget I even gave you a game (might have been 2 games) for free also? I sent you pics of some othe games ahead of time, and you got all the games for around $4 dollars each when they most have a market value of double or triple that at a minimum and your being an asshole cause you didn't get labels in "NIB" condition? I tried alot different ways to make this situation right and I shouldn't have cause there is no reason for me to do so. I feel I was pressured by you all along to do things I didn't want to. GO AHEAD AND TAKE LEGAL ACTION, YOUR NOT GONNA GET ANYWHERE. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA CHARGE ME WITH? YOUR STUPIDITY? I DID NOTHING WRONG. YOUR JUST AN ASSHOLE TRYING TO GET GAMES FOR NEXT TO NOTHING THREW THREATS AFTER THE DEAL WAS COMPLETED.

DO WHATEVER YOU WANT,"




I've been very polite to this guy and he has done nothing except lie and has now resorted to name calling. :/ Also, I don't understand how his math works. I paid him $67.13 (after he sent back the $4.87) and I received 13 games. This works out to $5.16 each. Also, the original deal was for 13 games and that is what I received. You can even see that in the original post that some of you have already found. There were no extras or "free' games as he puts it. :/

[goatdan]

I know that for some reason, N64 games seem to have more damaged labels than any other carts I have seen. WHY? How the hell does a cart label get ripped in half? How does the rear label get ripped? In all my years of gaming, I have never even scratched a label, let alone tear one off.

Honestly, it is because EB Games and GameStop decided to put the price labels on the paper parts and BlockBuster used these huge stickers to cover the entire cartridge. If you try taking off those stickers, you almost automatically screw up the cartridge labels.

With both SNES and NES games, GameStop and EB would either label them in a baggie with the baggie getting the sticker or would sticker them on the non-labeled parts. Blockbuster didn't use huge stickers to claim which games were theirs. So they have managed to pull through the resale market with very little trouble.



Daria, it was the front labels that were screwed up, not just the back ones. Like you said, that would be easily fixed if it were only the back labels.

That's what I thought, just all these back label posts were messing with my head. :P

Sorry! That's my fault for asking about that too since I figured it was a sort of similiar thread :embarrassed:

[jdchess]

Since this guy is being so unreasonable, I decided to leave negative feedback in the feedback forum. I obviously don't recommend dealing with this guy. I just hope that no other fellow DPers get burnt.

[Darth Sensei]

It sux that this transaction ended badly and from what I've read, he's at fault. Just be happy that this wasn't one of the outright scams and that you got something for your money.

[zerohero]

Another tip,

See if your bank will report him to the "Bad business bureau of Investigation" Yes it's real. And also see if your bank will repay the money back to you.

If you requested one thing and recieved another this is an illegal transaction. I hope you bank follows these rules like mine.

If you go through with this , let me know how it goes.

[jdchess]

That's a good tip zerohero, but the seller is actually in Canada which may cause a problem. I'm not sure though. Anyway worst case scenario is that it becomes a $67.13 lesson learned X_x 8-)

[ChronoTriggaFoo]

Well I'm sorry you had to go through with this Jdchess.

But I'm glad you have pointed him out now with feedback. I will definitely avoid him in the future. Me-also-thinks his credibility hath been ruined on Digital Press. But that's what one gets for being an unconsiderate a-whole.

[zerohero]

That's a good tip zerohero, but the seller is actually in Canada which may cause a problem. I'm not sure though. Anyway worst case scenario is that it becomes a $67.13 lesson learned X_x 8-)

Well it's worth a shot. It saved me $54.00!

[Aussie2B]

With both SNES and NES games, GameStop and EB would either label them in a baggie with the baggie getting the sticker or would sticker them on the non-labeled parts. Blockbuster didn't use huge stickers to claim which games were theirs. So they have managed to pull through the resale market with very little trouble.

You must've had a lot more luck with your GameStop and EB stores than I've had. My local GameStop used to slap stickers on the baggies AND on the carts, usually smack on top of a label. I have way too many SNES games with ripped up back labels because of them.

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, I honestly wouldn't feel so bad about it. I mean, Pokemon Stadium 2 and Mario Party 2 ARE worth quite a bit more than 4-5 bucks, so assuming all the other games weren't sports games or such, it still sounds like a decent deal, even if the condition of the games did end up being less than what was advertised.

[jdchess]

That is true Aussie. I could probably find someone who didn't care about cosmetic condition and just wanted the games to play and possibly get some or even most of the money back, but the fact is that I shouldn't have too. For my collection, the games are just not usable. It's more of a principle issue at this point though. I was promised one thing and received something else. That's not to mention the things this guy has said and the way he has acted. Like I said, I just hope no one else gets burnt by the same seller.

[jdchess]

Hey Chrono...thanks man!

BTW...that complete (and truly mint :D ) Harvest Moon 64 has a special place on the shelf and is being handled with care 8-) Such a great game too.

[Jumpman Jr.]

I actually know the seller personally and know him to be a really nice guy. However, saying that, I wouldn't want to get on his bad-side.
I can't say for sure (because I haven't seen the games before or after shipping) but it sounds like you have done the right thing.
The whole argument is based on the "what is your definition of 'Mint?'" If a seller claims his games are mint, that might only be in his eyes. And if you're a buyer and want games to be mint (the way you see it) you should ask for pictures of everything so stuff like this doesn't happen.
Just don't let this deal make you go sour on Canadians. :)

[jdchess]

That is a good point Jumpman, but the games I received would not meet NM - MINT standards for anyone. I can understand some light surface scratches or even a nick here and there causing a difference of opinion as some people may not view that as an issue, but torn, bubbling, and severely fading labels?? No way. I was flat out lied to. This was no minor difference of opinion. Besides if it was only a difference of opinion, he had no reason to refuse a refund, especially since I offered to cover shipping costs for his troubles.

[Damaramu]

I actually know the seller personally and know him to be a really nice guy. However, saying that, I wouldn't want to get on his bad-side.

What exactly are you implying here? Does he suffer from psychotic episodes? :hmm:

[evg2000]

My $.02


Mint condition
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Mint Condition is an expression used in the description of pre-owned goods. "Mint" means "used, but still as new". Originally, the phrase comes from the way collectors describe the condition of coins. As the name given to a coin factory is a 'mint', then mint condition is the condition a coin is in as it leaves the mint.


To me the statement "the cartridge is in mint condition" means that the cart works, no damage to the case, and all labels are perfect.

[Jumpman Jr.]

That is a good point Jumpman, but the games I received would not meet NM - MINT standards for anyone. I can understand some light surface scratches or even a nick here and there causing a difference of opinion as some people may not view that as an issue, but torn, bubbling, and severely fading labels?? No way. I was flat out lied to. This was no minor difference of opinion. Besides if it was only a difference of opinion, he had no reason to refuse a refund, especially since I offered to cover shipping costs for his troubles.

Your absolutely right. I think you were on the right side of this, but the guys my friend. I don't want to pick sides.



What exactly are you implying here? Does he suffer from psychotic episodes?

No, just I could see him being kind of crazy. As long as he likes me, I'll sleep well at night. LOL. No, he's not a bad guy. But I do know that he does suffer from some sort of a mental dissorder, and I also know that video games actually helps him with it. He's got a wife and kids so he's not some kid who would try to rip somebody off for the fun of it. He knows his shit when it comes to games too so I am suprised to hear that he missrepresented what he sold.

[jdchess]

I have to be honest with you Jumpman...the fact that he "knows his shit," as you put it, makes me even madder :/ If true, this would prove that he knew what he was doing and it just adds to my belief that he told me a straight out lie.

[zerohero]

"Good or Bad, I'm the guy with the gun!" 8-)

Seriously I don't care how "nice" he is, if the fool did bad business, he should be delt with.


Sorry I just can't stand people who rip others off!

[jdchess]

Getting back to the actual issue...I left negative feedback in the feedback forum and I considered linking this post to the post in the feedback forum. Do you guys think I should do that? Hopefully no one else will get burned like I did. Do you guys think I should do anything else? I don't think I have any recourse through paypal since I refuse to lie to them and say I never received the package. I only wish I had paid with a credit card 8-) There would be an easier solution. Thanks again for a ll the input guys. I really appreciate it.

[jdchess]

Zerohero...I agree with you totally. I can't believe he gave me the guilt trip like he did. I do feel bad that he has had to suffer from a mental disorder of sorts, but he is not the only one who has hard some hard knocks in life and it does NOT give him the right to take advantage of me or anyone else.

[classicb]

obviously jdchess is still too hesitant to point fingers in this thread so for anyone who didn't do a quick search this ass hat of a trader can be found here

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48756&highlight=

I think you gave this guy plenty of oportunities to fix this situation and I don't think other DPers should have to deal with him again. Sorry you had to find out the hard way for all of us.

[kainemaxwell]

Getting back to the actual issue...I left negative feedback in the feedback forum and I considered linking this post to the post in the feedback forum. Do you guys think I should do that? Hopefully no one else will get burned like I did. Do you guys think I should do anything else? I don't think I have any recourse through paypal since I refuse to lie to them and say I never received the package. I only wish I had paid with a credit card 8-) There would be an easier solution. Thanks again for a ll the input guys. I really appreciate it.
I would definitly do that.

[briskbc]

Getting back to the actual issue...I left negative feedback in the feedback forum and I considered linking this post to the post in the feedback forum. Do you guys think I should do that? Hopefully no one else will get burned like I did. Do you guys think I should do anything else? I don't think I have any recourse through paypal since I refuse to lie to them and say I never received the package. I only wish I had paid with a credit card 8-) There would be an easier solution. Thanks again for a ll the input guys. I really appreciate it.
I would definitly do that.

Agreed. I know I won't be dealing this guy thanks to this thread.

[lendelin]

jdchess, you did absolutely the right thing to leave negative feedback.

This guy, silver_surfer or long_shawn_silver, is obviously a scam artist, and unfortunately you ran into him.

...and in true scam artist-fashion he tried to turn around the table once caught in a scam. In the end, it was your fault, your "stupidity" that you thought you'd get mint games at a reasonable price; so YOU deserve to be scammed, how can YOU expect to get games as they were represented?

Learn from it. Be aggressive from the getgo the next time this happens to you. After ONE email you can tell if you deal with a pittiful little scam artist or merely a seller/buyer who made an honest mistake which happens to all of us; and then there is no reasoning, no little excuses, no "undertsanding," no hope that this might have been just a misunderstanding. There is only a very aggressive stance against someone who tries to scam you out of money.

It is not a matter of what "mint" means, it is not a matter of the eye of the beholder, it is not a matter how often he does it to make a cheap buck, it is a matter of an intentional scam for which there is no excuse.

There are honest, decent people who do not misrepresent or use euphemisms. The vast majority of board members wouldn't have done what this guy did; and there are indecent people who try to make an indecent fast buck.

...and it isn't a matter of this ridiculous guit-trip of being mentally challenged. If he has the brains to misrepresent his items, use dumb and cheap rhetorical startegies in order to keep money he didn't deserve to get, and insult you in emails after a scam attempt, he also has the brains to know right from wrong.

He knew exactly what he did. Your quotes from his emails have 'scam artist' written all over it.

[silver_surfer]

Wow!! I'm so popular!!! -_-

[silver_surfer]

I must be a scam artist from what this guy says, so what ever you do, stay the heck away!!

I HAVE THE PLAUGE!! I HAVE THE PLAUGE!!

NONE OF YOU KNOW ME FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND, BUT I HAVE THE PLAUGE??

.... Do you all belive I have the plauge now?? I sure do!! I said it so it must be true!! MARK IT DOWN IN THE FEEDBACK FORUM, I HAVE THE PLAUGE!!

[lendelin]

Wow!! I'm so popular!!! -_-

You certainly are, you certainly are. I don't want to interrupt your well-deserved sleep, after all, a good conscience is a nice pillow to sleep on; just one comment: "Mentally disabled" persons are always very popular in particular caught in a successful scam attempt. :) It is an iron rule of society.

[silver_surfer]

Wow!! I'm so popular!!! -_-

You certainly are, you certainly are. I don't want to interrupt your well-deserved sleep, after all, a good conscience is a nice pillow to sleep on; just one comment: "Mentally disabled" persons are always very popular in particular caught in a successful scam attempt. :) It is an iron rule of society.

Thanks for pointing that out for me!! I'm glad someone was here to help me out with that. Your such a kind fellow!!

P.S. I have the plauge.

[silver_surfer]

Wow!! I'm so popular!!! -_-

You certainly are, you certainly are. I don't want to interrupt your well-deserved sleep, after all, a good conscience is a nice pillow to sleep on; just one comment: "Mentally disabled" persons are always very popular in particular caught in a successful scam attempt. :) It is an iron rule of society.

It would help a small bit if I had intended on scamming anyone in the first place. I never wished nor did I scam anyone at anytime nor will I ever do so. I might be crazy but I'm not stupid.

[ChronoTriggaFoo]

So what you're saying is that you have no earthly idea what NM-M is?

RIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHTTTT.

:roll:

[lendelin]

Wow!! I'm so popular!!! -_-

You certainly are, you certainly are. I don't want to interrupt your well-deserved sleep, after all, a good conscience is a nice pillow to sleep on; just one comment: "Mentally disabled" persons are always very popular in particular caught in a successful scam attempt. :) It is an iron rule of society.

Thanks for pointing that out for me!! I'm glad someone was here to help me out with that. Your such a kind fellow!!

P.S. I have the plauge.

You're welcome. I'm always glad to help out a kind fellow human being.

[evil_genius]

Hang him in the streets!!

:: leads the crowd carrying torches through the night ::

[silver_surfer]

double post..

[silver_surfer]

I know what NM-M condtion is I'm not that stund. This fella is just being a beyond anal prick, I know what I sent out and what I sent was game that WHERE IN AT LEAST 7 -8/10 condtion. That is NEAR MINT is it not? And some where better like 9 or 10\10 which is MINT correct? I guess I should have taken 1280x1280 hi-res photo's to keep for myself so I would have been able to show what I sent in case this sort of thing came up right? Come on! This is foolish. But I'm glad many people are siding with him cause I do have the plauge and all. I could care less if people are not gonna deal with me over this matter. I'm glad you not gonna. I've only been on this board for like 2 years and made about 50 or 60 deals (buy\sell\trade) but thats OK!! You don't like me? FINE! I could give a shit less!! The poeple that I have delt with in the past and in person know I'm a good person to trade\sell\buy with to and from so fuck it, If you don't like me GREAT, if you do like me,, WATCH OUT I HAVE THE PLAUGE. :eek 2:

Shawn Sr.

P.S. I think the keyboard just gave me the clap and genital warts so watch out for that shit too!! x_x

[silver_surfer]

P.S. I was not puttinga guilt trip on JDCHESS., I was making fun of him for threating me.

[lendelin]

I know what NM-M condtion is I'm not that stund. This fella is just being a beyond anal prick, I know what I sent out and what I sent was game that WHERE IN AT LEAST 7 -8/10 condtion. That is NEAR MINT is it not? And some where better like 9 or 10\10 which is MINT correct? I guess I should have taken 1280x1280 hi-res photo's to keep for myself so I would have been able to show what I sent in case this sort of thing came up right? Come on! This is foolish. But I'm glad many people are siding with him cause I do have the plauge and all. I could care less if people are not gonna deal with me over this matter. I'm glad you not gonna. I've only been on this board for like 2 years and made about 50 or 60 deals (buy\sell\trade) but thats OK!! You don't like me? FINE! I could give a shit less!! The poeple that I have delt with in the past and in person know I'm a good person to trade\sell\buy with to and from so fuck it, If you don't like me GREAT, if you do like me,, WATCH OUT I HAVE THE PLAUGE. :eek 2:

Shawn Sr.

P.S. I think the keyboard just gave me the clap and genital warts so watch out for that shit too!! x_x

You know, since you seem to be a great and honest guy to deal with, I have a very simple and easy solution which would save your impeccable reputation: Why don't you just refund the money to jdchess?

You refund the full amount of money, (not $4, not $20, not $50) and he sends you the games back. He would probably even pay for postage. You won't have any probs selling these games if they are in near mint condition as you say. Case closed, problem solved.

This would tell anyone on here that you are the guy you claim to be. This is what every honest common-sense guy would have done in the first place.

Is that too simple? Too easy?...or just not profitable for you?

[silver_surfer]

I don't care about the simplicity of the profitablity (is that a word?? It is now..lol) of the matter. It is a completed deal where nothing from my end was a muck. Why the hell would I agree to give him money or take the games back and have to wait for another buyer? I should sell myself short for his sake? I think not. I don't give a shit how this affects what people think of me, Good, Bad, Whatever. The people who know me from deals or in person from this board know what kind of person I am and I could care less what others have to say or fell over this matter. I'm actually enjoying the bashing. I have even asked on other video game boards for others to bash me, but I asked them to use a little more truth in there bashfulness. I mean a lie based bash is fun too but truthful ones are better and I'm still waitin go here one cause I sure as shit haven't heard anything from this thread that has hit that mark of truthfulness yet. SO BASH AWAY!! I GOT THE CLAP!!

[goatdan]

I don't care about the simplicity of the profitablity (is that a word?? It is now..lol) of the matter. It is a completed deal where nothing from my end was a muck. Why the hell would I agree to give him money or take the games back and have to wait for another buyer? I should sell myself short for his sake? I think not.

Hey man, take it from a guy that sells TONS of games...

If you give crappy customer service, you won't get people buying your games. If you don't get people willing to buy your games, you'll get lower prices.

From the sounds of it, you gave jdchess a good deal. But he was looking for minty games. If I were you, I would offer a return of the games but he would have to pay for the cost of shipping. That way, you don't lose out and he is free to keep looking. Or broker a deal where he keeps some of his stuff.

Just last week, I sent out a copy of Bust-A-Move for the Dreamcast that didn't work in the person who received it's machine. I know it worked fine when it left here because when I took it out to send it, I stuck it in my Dreamcast and played it for a bit. He said it didn't work. I was happy to refund his money and get the game back. I'll either (professionally) resurface it and sell it again if there are any problems with it or test it and then sell it again. My reputation doesn't take a hit, and in the end it's good customer service, which means more sales for the GOAT Store in the future.

You gave him a great deal on those games, one that quite frankly even with poor labels I would've been interested in. But your customer service is lacking, and if you had improved that I think that no one on here would be blaming you.