RUMOUR: PS3 to not play USED GAMES?!? (Offically Denied)

[Flack]

This has been debunked several times, most recently by Sony.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/

[chrisbid]

they do get a cut from used game sales, how do you think kids afford to buy new games? they trade in old stuff for credit toward new games and systems. and if gamEBstop didnt do as well as it does with second hand sales, then they would not be able to stock as many new titles as they do (which is far wider range than walmart or other box stores)

No they don't actually. I'm talking about someone buying the game at full price whether it be at EB Games, Gamestop, Wal-Mart wherever and then trading that game in. They (the dev., pub., Sony etc.) only get money from the original sale. NOT when EB, GS resell that game over and over again when someone brings it in used. And then Sony and other companies are getting PO'd having to give customer service to people who never really bought anything from THEM in the first place.

publishers do not get money from first hand sales either, they get money from retailers buying in bulk. if large retailers like gamEBstop arent doing as well due to say a sudden drop in revenue after used game sales are eliminated, then the publishers lose out. the wal marts and best buys of the world do not stock a large variety of titles, and if the major video game centric retailer goes down, the industry isnt going to gain anything from it.

[chrisbid]

they do get a cut from used game sales, how do you think kids afford to buy new games? they trade in old stuff for credit toward new games and systems. and if gamEBstop didnt do as well as it does with second hand sales, then they would not be able to stock as many new titles as they do (which is far wider range than walmart or other box stores)

No they don't actually. I'm talking about someone buying the game at full price whether it be at EB Games, Gamestop, Wal-Mart wherever and then trading that game in. They (the dev., pub., Sony etc.) only get money from the original sale. NOT when EB, GS resell that game over and over again when someone brings it in used. And then Sony and other companies are getting PO'd having to give customer service to people who never really bought anything from THEM in the first place.

publishers do not get money from first hand sales either, they get money from retailers buying in bulk. if large retailers like gamEBstop arent doing as well due to say a sudden drop in revenue after used game sales are eliminated, then the publishers lose out. the wal marts and best buys of the world do not stock a large variety of titles, and if the major video game centric retailer goes down, the industry isnt going to gain anything from it.

[chrisbid]

and i dont buy the customer service argument either. for hardware, i can see it. but for software, the disc either works or it doesnt. if a disc doesnt work and it is still under warranty (you need a proof of new purchase), then you get a new disc. its not like DVDs are expensive to press

[chrisbid]

and i dont buy the customer service argument either. for hardware, i can see it. but for software, the disc either works or it doesnt. if a disc doesnt work and it is still under warranty (you need a proof of new purchase), then you get a new disc. its not like DVDs are expensive to press

[chrisbid]

This has been debunked several times, most recently by Sony.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/

Enabling hardware to shutdown and forcing a licensing agreement that states used game sales are illegal (well, not illegal, but not authorized), then putting heat on retailers not to sell used games is a pretty wide gap. its a different strategy to fight the same problem.

[chrisbid]

This has been debunked several times, most recently by Sony.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/

Enabling hardware to shutdown and forcing a licensing agreement that states used game sales are illegal (well, not illegal, but not authorized), then putting heat on retailers not to sell used games is a pretty wide gap. its a different strategy to fight the same problem.

[Ed Oscuro]

This has been debunked several times, most recently by Sony.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/

Enabling hardware to shutdown and forcing a licensing agreement that states used game sales are illegal (well, not illegal, but not authorized), then putting heat on retailers not to sell used games is a pretty wide gap. its a different strategy to fight the same problem.
I seriously hope this rumor may eventually be debunked as well.

My question, naturally, is if Sony doesn't plan to use this tech, why did they go through the bother of developing it?

[Ed Oscuro]

Okay, Sony has now denied this rumor as well. Source. (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17283)

Is there a group out there spreading rumors about Sony?

[GuilewasNK]

Until I see something from IGN or Gamespot, I'll take everything with a grain of salt.

[chrisbid]

Okay, Sony has now denied this rumor as well. Source. (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17283)

Is there a group out there spreading rumors about Sony?

these are the direct quotes from sony


PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console.

there has been no official comment on this since the story that came up a few months ago - it hasn't changed since then, and we're quite surprised by why this has popped up again, to be honest

that is only a denial of hardware lockout, not bullying a retailer to not sell used games... which is the new rumor

[Anthony1]

I'm not sure why we are all worrying about this thing anyway, cause there is no way this shit will happen. Eventually games will be download only, and that is how they will get things on there side, but they know they have to gradually introduce that. You have to slowly but surely introduce that, otherwise, EB, GameStop, GameCrazy and all the others will do everything in their power to back your primary competitor.


I fully expect that late in the Xbox 360's lifetime, you will be able to download full versions of 360 games, for a reduced price, but it won't be 100 percent of all available games. For example, if 15 games are released in a given month, maybe 7 or 8 of them will be available for download for like a $35 fee, or you can buy the actual retail disc for $49.99. Some consumers could care less about the physical thing, and will prefer to save a little money, but others will prefer the physical thing. It's going to be a slow death for GameStop and EB and GameCrazy. In fact, things will just barely get started in that direction towards the end of the PS3, 360 and Wii generation. And then in the following generation of systems, it will move much more in that direction, but I'm guessing that EB and GameStop and GameCrazy will still survive, but when we are talking about the generation following that, in about 16 years, there will be NO PHYSICAL MEDIA. It's at this point that the First Party and Publishers will get their way in terms of used game sales and all that.

EB, GameStop and GameCrazy have about 15 to 17 years left of existence. That's a long time, but then again, time flies.

[heybtbm]

EB, GameStop and GameCrazy have about 15 to 17 years left of existence. That's a long time, but then again, time flies.

Hey, Future-man...if its not too much problem, could you tell me who wins the next 15 Superbowls? Thanks in advance.

[Anthony1]

Hey, Future-man...if its not too much problem, could you tell me who wins the next 15 Superbowls? Thanks in advance.



Unfortunately, that is much harder to predict. LOL

[Bronty-2]

It's a logical prediction, but a lot can change in a year.. let alone 17. :embarrassed:

[Ed Oscuro]

That is only a denial of hardware lockout, not bullying a retailer to not sell used games... which is the new rumor
As you wish, but the article states that the Sony reps denied that specific rumor. My prediction: Used games will be happening on the PS3.

[TurboGenesis]

I'm not sure why we are all worrying about this thing anyway, cause there is no way this shit will happen. Eventually games will be download only, and that is how they will get things on there side, but they know they have to gradually introduce that. You have to slowly but surely introduce that, otherwise, EB, GameStop, GameCrazy and all the others will do everything in their power to back your primary competitor.


I fully expect that late in the Xbox 360's lifetime, you will be able to download full versions of 360 games, for a reduced price, but it won't be 100 percent of all available games. For example, if 15 games are released in a given month, maybe 7 or 8 of them will be available for download for like a $35 fee, or you can buy the actual retail disc for $49.99. Some consumers could care less about the physical thing, and will prefer to save a little money, but others will prefer the physical thing. It's going to be a slow death for GameStop and EB and GameCrazy. In fact, things will just barely get started in that direction towards the end of the PS3, 360 and Wii generation. And then in the following generation of systems, it will move much more in that direction, but I'm guessing that EB and GameStop and GameCrazy will still survive, but when we are talking about the generation following that, in about 16 years, there will be NO PHYSICAL MEDIA. It's at this point that the First Party and Publishers will get their way in terms of used game sales and all that.


I had a discussion with a colleauge about this. It goes beyond video games. Music is already downloaded for a nominal fee. For movies, there is on demand cable. Eventually games could head on this front. heck Sega did it with the Sega Channel and Wii is offering a masive collection for download. I don't favor this single serving disposible trend but technology just seems to be heading there.

[cyberfluxor]

My prediction: Used games will be happening on the PS3.

My predition: Same as Ed's.

Although I sway either way cause it's their choice on how to distribute and control it, since they did come out claiming it's a rumor, I'll now stick with that until launch or if they change their statement. Either way, since I still don't play on getting a Xbox360 or PS3 til fall '07 at the earliest there's plenty of time to find out what's up with the data discs and the titles that got launched on each.

[DonMarco]

So IF this used game protection were to actually be used, how exactly would they go about it? The easiest way would be a key printed on the instructinon manual and online registration. But not everyone is online. Forcing people to call it in would be a way around that.

If the Blu-ray games comes in plastic shells like the UMDs, there could be a small chip or magnetic strip in the plastic and the PS3 unit writes it's ID to it, preventing other PS3 units from playing the game. Maybe the PS3 will claim a disc by actually writing on it, in a predesignated spot.

Not allowing used games would be a pretty big blow to the system, however. There are plenty of parents that treat their kids with $5-10 games from the used bins. People that bought a game and didn't like it, looking to sell for some credit on another game or cash.