RUMOUR: PS3 to not play USED GAMES?!? (Offically Denied)

[njiska]

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000420067137/

Even the most devote of Sony followers must admit that this kind of tech is evil.

I personally doubt that Sony would be stupid enough to prevant gamers from playing used games as that would be suicide, however the usage of such tech in Blu-Ray seems highly likely. This is scary stuff.

[Jibbajaba]

Not gonna happen.


Chris

[Overbite]

that would kill their system if they tried to implement it.

[Xizer]

That sounds like something $ony would do, if it's not in the PS3 it'll be in the PS4. If $ony can even survive that long... the PS3 will be on its knees giving it to the Xbox 360 by the time this next gen is over.

[roushimsx]

It's possible that the tech could be used like that, but that'd be the most suicidal thing they could possibly do as a hardware manufacturer.

Gotta love the knee-jerk reactions to new technology :)

[Arkaign]

Yeah this is a pretty stupid rumor to apply to the games, it would be such certain suicide that it would never get approved. Corporations aquire patents by the truckload, it's absolutely retarded that they sometimes get spun like this. Sony makes a lot more than game systems, likewise with Microsoft.


That sounds like something $ony would do, if it's not in the PS3 it'll be in the PS4. If $ony can even survive that long... the PS3 will be on its knees giving it to the Xbox 360 by the time this next gen is over.

Are you ten years old? Forgive me, that might be insulting to ten-year-olds. It's pretty obvious that this coming gen (360/PS3/Rev) is going to play out pretty similarly to the current situation. Fanboys on all sides do nothing but embarass themselves by posting idiotic BS like yours. By the way, what makes you think you can trust *ANY* corporation? They'd happily be chopping babies into chowder with rusty machetes if they could make a dime out of it. Just play what you like and try to be a little less ignorant.

[Lothars]

That sounds like something $ony would do, if it's not in the PS3 it'll be in the PS4. If $ony can even survive that long... the PS3 will be on its knees giving it to the Xbox 360 by the time this next gen is over.


lol you wish

It's not gonna happen

both the rumor that PS3 will not play used games, of course you will be able to play used games on it

but your really a moron if you think the PS3 will be on its knees, but it should be a good generation for all systems.

[Xizer]

Are you ten years old? Forgive me, that might be insulting to ten-year-olds. It's pretty obvious that this coming gen (360/PS3/Rev) is going to play out pretty similarly to the current situation. Fanboys on all sides do nothing but embarass themselves by posting idiotic BS like yours. By the way, what makes you think you can trust *ANY* corporation? They'd happily be chopping babies into chowder with rusty machetes if they could make a dime out of it. Just play what you like and try to be a little less ignorant.

Well, I'd certainly trust Nintendo over Sony any day. I, for one, feel more comfortable with Nintendo's friendly customer policies, rather than Sony's attack-the-customer attitude.

The PS3 will not be doing well this generation. It's trying too hard to be the most powerful, and as such, will cost a lot of money, will launch late, and will be difficult for programmers to program for. It reminds me of the Saturn. The 360 on the other hand, has the XNA platform. The Rev will no doubt be a piece of cake to program for, and it will be cheaper. It will do pretty well - its new technology combined with sexy iPod white will get people talking. No doubt there will be quite a few blinded Sony fanboys who will eat up the PS3...but the fanboys who can't afford it or get tired of waiting will turn to the others, and realize they're better than Sony.

[TheRedEye]

lol $ony how clever

[Xizer]

lol $ony how clever

Well people do it to Microsoft, I figured I'd do it to a company that really deserves it. Microsoft may be greedy, but not near as much as Sony. Microsoft hasn't been shoving assloads of DRM down your throat, including DRM that could rape computers (rootkits).

[Six Switch]

The Rev will no doubt be a piece of cake to program for, and it will be cheaper. It will do pretty well

i am not taking sides

but

that just sounds stupid

[njiska]

Yeah this is a pretty stupid rumor to apply to the games, it would be such certain suicide that it would never get approved. Corporations aquire patents by the truckload, it's absolutely retarded that they sometimes get spun like this. Sony makes a lot more than game systems, likewise with Microsoft.

Both I and the article whole-heartedly agree with you. For games it's a stupid idea, but for Blu-Ray movies it fits with Sony's overall world view.

I posted the article because the concept of not being able to play used games seems interesting. In the past companies have been searching for ways to prevent the sale of used software so who knows maybe some time years from now we'll see this happen.



That sounds like something $ony would do, if it's not in the PS3 it'll be in the PS4. If $ony can even survive that long... the PS3 will be on its knees giving it to the Xbox 360 by the time this next gen is over.

Are you ten years old? Forgive me, that might be insulting to ten-year-olds. It's pretty obvious that this coming gen (360/PS3/Rev) is going to play out pretty similarly to the current situation. Fanboys on all sides do nothing but embarass themselves by posting idiotic BS like yours. By the way, what makes you think you can trust *ANY* corporation? They'd happily be chopping babies into chowder with rusty machetes if they could make a dime out of it. Just play what you like and try to be a little less ignorant.

Hal-ay-lu-yah. Amen brother.

[Six Switch]

lol $ony how clever

Well people do it to Microsoft, I figured I'd do it to a company that really deserves it. Microsoft may be greedy, but not near as much as $ony. Microsoft hasn't been shoving assloads of DRM down your throat, including DRM that could rape computers (rootkits).

fixed

ps i love the last four minutes of this thread

[Oobgarm]

Retailers who deal in used software would kill Sony if that happened. Take away Gamestop, Gamecrazy, Blockbuster and Best Buy(who's been dabbling in used game sales), and their market would surely be hurting.

[CYRiX]

Whoever starts rumors needs to punch themself in the face. There rumors people, not facts.

[mr_pollock]

Bad thread!

Sit!

[Stevie Boy]

Dont quite understand, if you play a game once doesnt this mean its been used? so if you take it out of your console and put it back in (now a used game) it aint gonna work? Or what if your console breaks and you get a new one, will games not work then, coz they would have been first used on that one console???

Can some one please explain how this would be true in any sense?

[Damaramu]

The Rev will no doubt be a piece of cake to program for, and it will be cheaper. It will do pretty well

i am not taking sides

but

that just sounds stupid

The controller alone is a turn off for me. I think Nintendough is trying a little too hard on this one. Or not. Who knows, I just wanted to use Nintendough. That's right.

[Sothy]

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1715/eatcommunism4lh.jpg

[Vectorman0]

I have to agree with jibba jabba. Major lawsuit opporunity, not to mention modders/hackers would have their way around it eventually.

[Xizer]

Hal-ay-lu-yah. Amen brother.

Not that it would matter, considering that's coming from the infamous troll njiska :roll:

[davepesc]

"Nintendough"

Haw Haw


This thread is teh suxorz

[Oobgarm]

Hal-ay-lu-yah. Amen brother.

Not that it would matter, considering that's coming from the infamous troll njiska :roll:

Funny, I look around here and you're the only troll I see. You need to knock it off. Your biased, bile-filled drivel has no place on this forum. You can speak an opinion, sure, but going into every possible thread to do so is considered trolling, especially when you know what you're saying is going to rile up other forum members.

[Nes]

Use of this technology for games or for movies has not a chance of being successful. I doubt they would sell a single blu-ray device that had this not to mention Blockbuster would go ballistic.

[Mangar]

Actually - This isn't that far-fetched really.

If you are following the current debate and information regarding HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, one of the "features" planned for Sony's Blu-Ray disc(which the PS3 will use) is exactly what the article states. IE: A Disc and Machine will become "married" so to speak.

The chances of this feature being used on games is very slim, but it will be up to the manufacturer to enable it or not. The technology is there. For upcoming movies however - Well that's an entirely different story. Keep in mind that the main stated reason for 20th Century Fox supporting the Blu-Ray standard was the increased copy protection measures.

In any case: This is a very real possibility at some point in the future. There is already a huge debate about it amongst the various media companies(With Movie Studio's being for it, and Microsoft, Intel, and computer based companies wanting ways around it.)

[Policenaut]

as Jibbajaba said, Not gonna happen.

[njiska]

That's got to be a record you derailed my thread in 6 minutes.


Not that it would matter, considering that's coming from the infamous troll njiska

Infamous troll. Ha that's good for a laugh.


I have to agree with jibba jabba. Major lawsuit opporunity, not to mention modders/hackers would have their way around it eventually.

Good point. Although that didn't stop Sony from implementing it's new DRM and let's not forget that there's a strong possiblity that Blu-Ray will only work with TV's that have received Sony's blessing. That alone should tempt a lawsuit. Really who knows.

[jdc]

It WOULD be good for a laugh. People who buy systems and then proceed to figure out the cheapest way to be a "gamer" amaze me. They buy the system but can't afford to support it.

There WAS a time when Microsoft was going to have a "no rental policy" on Xbox games to avert piracy, just as they do on their PC stuff.

[joshnickerson]

I remember hearing a similar rumor before the PSP came out.

[EricRyan34]

That would be suicide for SONY

[Flack]

Let's try and stay on topic, kids.

That article has two parts -- the fact (the patent) and then their assumption of what it means which leads to the rumor. The fact (the patent) is much more interesting. After reading it, I believe (I may be wrong) that what the quoted portion means by "user" is companies attempting to duplicate disks, and I believe the part that reads "resale (so-called used software purchase" refers to people buying used disks in order to duplicate them.

Under "Field of the Invention" it reads "The present invention relates to a disk recording medium, a reproduction device, and a reproduction method, whereby a legitimate recording medium can be protected from the used recording medium market by the structure of the disk recording medium such as a CD-ROM and a main unit (reproduction device) in which this recording medium is installed." So I believe the patent is intended to prevent unauthorized duplication factories from duplicating ps3 discs, even if they buy a copy of a master. It also mentions "the resale of disk recording media already purchased by the end-user, i.e., the purchase of the used software, occurs as well as the manufacture of so-called counterfeit software in which the recorded data is illegally copied."

You cool guys using $'s for S's and bashing consoles should take the five minutes and read the patent.

What it's actually saying is that PS3 games will have "moving target security" (coined by me) which will make piracy very, very difficult. Mod chips as we know them will not work on this technology.

Under Background, "Summary of the Product" (section 2) you get your first glimpse of the next generation copy protection. Pulsa Data, bar codes, digital signals, serco error signals, rotational control programs and variable drive speeds, and more. These are all things that have to be done when you are burning the disks (ie: one game might have to be burned at a certain speed. Another one might have to be burned and then stopped while burning, or paused, etc, making duplication of a game on a standard DVD burner impossible.)

In other words, Sony doesn't plan on taking any $hit from hackers and pirates this round. Round One.

EDIT: "legitimate software protection can be performed in three layers, the presence or absence of specific code registration, the matching or non-matching of pulse data and verification data, and the matching or non-matching at rotational speeds in multiple stages. "

[njiska]

Let's try and stay on topic, kids.

That article has two parts -- the fact (the patent) and then their assumption of what it means which leads to the rumor. The fact (the patent) is much more interesting. After reading it, I believe (I may be wrong) that what the quoted portion means by "user" is companies attempting to duplicate disks, and I believe the part that reads "resale (so-called used software purchase" refers to people buying used disks in order to duplicate them.

Under "Field of the Invention" it reads "The present invention relates to a disk recording medium, a reproduction device, and a reproduction method, whereby a legitimate recording medium can be protected from the used recording medium market by the structure of the disk recording medium such as a CD-ROM and a main unit (reproduction device) in which this recording medium is installed." So I believe the patent is intended to prevent unauthorized duplication factories from duplicating ps3 discs, even if they buy a copy of a master. It also mentions "the resale of disk recording media already purchased by the end-user, i.e., the purchase of the used software, occurs as well as the manufacture of so-called counterfeit software in which the recorded data is illegally copied."

You cool guys using $'s for S's and bashing consoles should take the five minutes and read the patent.

What it's actually saying is that PS3 games will have "moving target security" (coined by me) which will make piracy very, very difficult. Mod chips as we know them will not work on this technology.

Under Background, "Summary of the Product" (section 2) you get your first glimpse of the next generation copy protection. Pulsa Data, bar codes, digital signals, serco error signals, rotational control programs and variable drive speeds, and more. These are all things that have to be done when you are burning the disks (ie: one game might have to be burned at a certain speed. Another one might have to be burned and then stopped while burning, or paused, etc, making duplication of a game on a standard DVD burner impossible.)

In other words, Sony doesn't plan on taking any $hit from hackers and pirates this round. Round One.

EDIT: "legitimate software protection can be performed in three layers, the presence or absence of specific code registration, the matching or non-matching of pulse data and verification data, and the matching or non-matching at rotational speeds in multiple stages. "

Well said Flack, well said.

I admit that i didn't have time to read the patent in it's entirety as i was posting at work at the time by based on the abstract at the top of the patent i was assuming it would be using some unique code in the disc to bind that disc to the hardware that read it. Hence registering.

However i figured Sony would have just used the old phone home tactic to keep it bound to that player alone. Similar to how Valve binds HL2 keys to a parent Steam ACCT which would straight out prevent the use of used software/movies without Sony's blessing on any machine other then the primary.

[chrisbid]

before the PS2 came out, they said it would be impossible to hack, the PS3 will eventually be hacked as well

and after the rootkit fiasco directly from sony, and the relative success of steam on HalfLife 2, this is business model all publishers really want, they want to own their content post purchase

[Niku-Sama]

That would be suicide for SONY

agreed but on the plus side, if they do it in about a yearthe PS3 would be an awsome cheap computer

[Damion]

Wait what? how is it even possiable for it to know whats used? it dosen't even make sense. you have to open the game to use it.

Wait, the more I'm thinking about this the more I think I understand.

this would be something for the PS3 games not PS2. so somehow the ps3 has a list of games that were run on that serial #'d ps3 so that it's registered to only that ps3.

so when you try to run that same game on a diffrent ps3 it looks at the list (which I assume is done through the internet connection) and notes that it was already registered to a diffrent machine there fore not running it.

sorry for the self explaintion lol But that would be nothing short of stupid if sony implements this. this most certianly would cross PS3 on my list of systems to buy.

[Slimedog]

Wait what? how is it even possiable for it to know whats used? it dosen't even make sense. you have to open the game to use it.

Wait, the more I'm thinking about this the more I think I understand.

this would be something for the PS3 games not PS2. so somehow the ps3 has a list of games that were run on that serial #'d ps3 so that it's registered to only that ps3.

so when you try to run that same game on a diffrent ps3 it looks at the list (which I assume is done through the internet connection) and notes that it was already registered to a diffrent machine there fore not running it.

sorry for the self explaintion lol But that would be nothing short of stupid if sony implements this. this most certianly would cross PS3 on my list of systems to buy.

This would require an internet connection to work. I sort of assumed that when a new disk is placed in the system, the PS3 would burn is serial number into the disk. Whenever the game boots, it would check the serial number burned on the disk to the serial number of the system and it wouldn't boot if the two didn't match. Of course, thats just a first impression.

[starchildskiss78]

Dont quite understand, if you play a game once doesnt this mean its been used? so if you take it out of your console and put it back in (now a used game) it aint gonna work? Or what if your console breaks and you get a new one, will games not work then, coz they would have been first used on that one console???

Can some one please explain how this would be true in any sense?

Well, from what I gather it I think it would be a lot like how PSO had to be played on your Dreamcast and your Dreamcast only because of the way you used the registration code.

As for thinking for one minute Sony would do something as crazy as that...I wouldn't believe that even for a second.

[Chronodriftersx]

you get your first glimpse of the next generation copy protection. Pulsa Data, bar codes, digital signals, serco error signals, rotational control programs and variable drive speeds, and more.

WOW that explains why the system cost so much!

[Damion]

Wait what? how is it even possiable for it to know whats used? it dosen't even make sense. you have to open the game to use it.

Wait, the more I'm thinking about this the more I think I understand.

this would be something for the PS3 games not PS2. so somehow the ps3 has a list of games that were run on that serial #'d ps3 so that it's registered to only that ps3.

so when you try to run that same game on a diffrent ps3 it looks at the list (which I assume is done through the internet connection) and notes that it was already registered to a diffrent machine there fore not running it.

sorry for the self explaintion lol But that would be nothing short of stupid if sony implements this. this most certianly would cross PS3 on my list of systems to buy.

This would require an internet connection to work. I sort of assumed that when a new disk is placed in the system, the PS3 would burn is serial number into the disk. Whenever the game boots, it would check the serial number burned on the disk to the serial number of the system and it wouldn't boot if the two didn't match. Of course, thats ju


1st a first impression.

Ah that makes much more sense.

Man if they pull that I won't buy it. I don't care what comes out for it. I guess I'll just have to miss out on the new armored cores and katamari's.

[intvsama]

It's so funny that rumors like this even get started, let alone that people buy into them.

It works like this, the major game chains, EB, Gamestop, Game Crazy, Game Rush, etc... would stop carrying Sony products. Period.

A majority of their revenue stems from the sale of used software. Ever wonder why they push you to buy the used copy of Starsky and Hutch they're sitting on rather than the new one that's been there forever and will never sell? Because they only paid $1.20 for the used game and $16 for the new one. $15-$1.20 = $13.80 profit $20-$16=$4 profit Suddenly they're making no money on Sony products. What's the sense of carrying the new products at all for such a minimal profit margin whey they could put more XB360, Revolution, DS, etc... games in the same space with a HUGE markup.

Sony is cocky but not stupid. This technology is not going to be implemented, at least for the software side, of PS3. Blu-ray movies? Perhaps... probably not.

[Arkaign]

Man, a lot of these threads are going to be downright comedy goldmines after the systems hit the streets. It's already that way with old Xbox360 threads, all the flames and fanboys etc ...

Oh well, at least this one has roots in an interesting patent filing.

[Nez]

My guess is that "if" this ever happend GS GC BB would be pushing accessorys instead of used games. The mark up on these things are also high (although not as high as used games).


But still I don't see this happening. What if your PS3 broke all the games you have would be worthless. And given the track records of lauch Sony consoles there would be many an angery gamer out there.

Not going to happen when it comes to console gaming.

[Slimedog]

So ignoring for a minute that its really unlikely that Sony would do this, who here would pass up the PS3 if it didn't play used games? I know I would. 95% of my games are used. Maybe then I could start to catch up on my backlog for everything else, but probably I'd just end up buying more 360 and Rev games.

[Arkaign]

Yeah, if it were true, it would be such a drastic negative that they would be doomed. I'm probably not getting a PS3 to begin with, but some goofy kind of not letting you play used titles would seal the deal for me.

For me, the reasons for getting a PS3 would be : pretty open (like the PSP scene right now, loads of cool mods and hacks), and 1080p movies (not entirely up to Sony, but if the drives are in millions of systems, I'm thinking the movie companies will be quick to capitalize). Games are somewhat secondary, though if they can actually deliver the kind of content seen in the MGS4 trailer, they might get me.

[njiska]

So ignoring for a minute that its really unlikely that Sony would do this, who here would pass up the PS3 if it didn't play used games? I know I would. 95% of my games are used. Maybe then I could start to catch up on my backlog for everything else, but probably I'd just end up buying more 360 and Rev games.

As much as it pains me to say i would. Of course only after it's a total failure and being sold off for nothing. I need my MGS 4 afterall. Plus it's because of situations nlike this that hackers evolved. Nothing is unhackable.

[KingCobra]

So ignoring for a minute that its really unlikely that Sony would do this, who here would pass up the PS3 if it didn't play used games? I know I would. 95% of my games are used. Maybe then I could start to catch up on my backlog for everything else, but probably I'd just end up buying more 360 and Rev games.


That's why Sony or any other compony dosen't really care if your type buy's it or not :P since you buy 95% used, and it's not a cut down on you either. They just care about the gamers that drop the $$$.

I don't think this will happen soon, but you never know in this day and age with the amount of greed these's days. I'm sure if all media componies had it their way it'd be all downloadable only and we see the end of in-hand stuff.

[Arkaign]

True that, hackers continually amaze, of course some things can be such a pain the orifice that people just don't bother. Everything from CSS to CPS2 to that Ipod music format has been hacked .. it's just a matter of practicality.

[Anthony1]

I wouldn't put it past Sony for trying some ish like this. If anybody did something like this, it would be them.


The one thing that really pisses me off about this idea, is the thought process that people only have one video game system. I had two XBOX's for a very long time. I enjoyed having two XBOX systems. One in my Garage Theater, and one in my living room. I have two PS1 systems. I have two Sega Saturns. I have two SNES. Etc, etc. I like having two systems, cause it's just more convienent for me. In fact, I'm buying two XBOX 360 systems. (I'm not sure If I'll actually keep both, or end up selling one for a profit)



At some point down the line, I would likely have two PS3 systems as well. But if I cant take my Metal Gear Solid 7 and play it in both systems, then I would pissed as hell.


Same thing with Blu Ray movies. At some point, I would probably have multiple Blu Ray movie players in my house, and I would want to take a movie and be able to watch the same individual movie on any of my blu ray dvd players. So the idea of the disc marrying to a single system really pisses me off to no end.


This is a very, very, very bad idea, and if Sony really tries this, they are going to regret it. Big Time.

[Arkaign]

Yeah, the very idea of Sony doing this is totally absurd. Microsoft would be just as likely (ie - .01% chance) of doing anything like this, they already have "Product Activation" intended to limit the installation of a program or operating system to a single or limited number of systems.

Realistically, neither company will touch anything like this with a 100,000km pole. This is just another piece of paper that's going to go join the other twenty-five jillion patents these guys have.

[Diatribal Deity]

All I have to say is....

VARIABLE SPEED SPINNING = DISC READ ERROR

(not a fanboy just a realist)

[Arkaign]

All I have to say is....

VARIABLE SPEED SPINNING = DISC READ ERROR

(not a fanboy just a realist)

Who knows, I mean BD-Roms have been out in Japan for quite some time now. Any word on their reliability so far?

[Diatribal Deity]

All I have to say is....

VARIABLE SPEED SPINNING = DISC READ ERROR

(not a fanboy just a realist)

Who knows, I mean BD-Roms have been out in Japan for quite some time now. Any word on their reliability so far?

"This new media design minimizes or eliminates some issues related to the composition of DVD and HD media. With standard DVD media, the laser can be split into two beams when it passes through a substrate layer. If this split becomes excessive, read errors are induced. Second, because the recording layer is now closer to the objective lens in the optical assembly of the drive, disc tilt sensitivity is reduced. If the disc is not perfectly flat and perpendicular to the laser axis, the beam can become distorted, a condition known as disc tilt. This condition increases or decreases based on the thickness of the cover layer."

It is reduced but not eliminated and of course this will depend on the manufacturing quality. But it is nice to see this problem is being addressed for the next generation.

[badinsults]

Although I doubt that Sony would do this, after hearing about the rootkit issue, who knows?


Probably a bunch of FUD.

[AMG]

This will never happen. Sony wouldn't be this foolish.

But if by some far out chance it did happen, I wouldn't buy a PS3. Just think about it for a moment. Say your PS3 dies and you need to buy a new one, well all your games are now worthless too. So after all that money you've spent, you're stuck with an expensive doorstop and drink coasters.

Sony would dig it's own grave.

[poloplayr]

ABout as likely as you will only be able to play your games once and then buy a new copy.

[Spinal]

Is it just me... but why wouldn't it be possible to have "corporate" codes on rental disks... i.e. if Blockbuster wanted to buy 1000 units of a game to rent, they would have a code burned onto it that allows it to play on any console (like a Region 0 code on a DVD). DVD's already do this in one form or another... R0 coded dvd's and Rental vs. Retail dvd's; unite the two and voila...

Also, I notice some poeple are saying "sony wouldn't do this" or "sony would never do this!"... now I am not one to bash any company; every company has had its ups and downs, and has made its fair share of learning mistakes (and will have more mistakes to come). Nintendo's was to market specifically at children, sega's was the dreamcast (which was way beyond its time imo), and so on... This could be the next mistake in a long line, and I wouldn't put it down to sony not doing it for "ethical" reasons... They are the company that installed rootkits in unsespecting users computers after all... But then again, there is a general trend to "kill them bl**dy software pirates" after all....

So I guess we will need to wait and see. If they do implement it, imo there is going to be a boost in mod-chips that burn a "region 0" code on the disk; or that trick the console in thinking it connected to the server and got the code accepted. There will be an increase in sales in rental copies of disks too, and this should offset (at least slightly) the loss of sales of normal disks. Then again, there will be a gain in sales from the lack of piracy. Many countries (UK being one of them) have totally outlawed mod chips, so the law would help them too...

Also, Microsoft comes to mind. They did implement a (highly controversial I might add) system similar to this (assuming the PS3 uses internet verification of the codes) and they got away with it though the sheer <cough>quality<cough> of their product (don't flame me, I'm just making a point - wheather it was quality of forcing it on users is a differnet thing). So let me ask you a question, if sony does implement this, how many people would refuse to buy their console? I don't think many, maybe the ones that know a little more about consoles, but the typical gamer wouldn't. Also, what comes to mind is that a code/console could be allowed to play a rented/borrowed game for a limited period (or limited features)... Kinda like a demo, then after a limited amount of time, will work only on "another" console or back on its original...

Just my two pence though...
Michele

[Jumpman Jr.]

Even if they implemented it, there is always a way of getting around it.

[FantasiaWHT]

Haven't read everything, but in what I did read, nobody caught one implication...

Retail stores would no longer be able to reseal used games and sell them as new LOL

[Vroomfunkel]

Preventing people from playing used discs (whether games or films) on their machine will not happen, irrespective of whether or not Sony have the technology to try it.

If you remove the re-sale market for games then you remove a whole consumer base for your products. Sure, Sony don't make any money from resales - but these people still have to buy the console, and the likelihood is that they will buy some new titles as well. If people discover that they will never be able to buy a used game, they will just plump for a system where they can - which is something Sony most certainly do not want.

The same goes for DVDs - given the current jostling for position between the rival new DVD formats, Sony are certainly not going to do anything that will lose them favour with consumers in this respect either. Preventing people from buying used DVDs, or from borrowing DVDs from freinds is not going to gain them any favours whatsoever ...

Finally, as has been said before .... it will be a matter of weeks (well, possibly months - but I am guessing weeks) before anything like that got hacked straight through anyway.

Vroomfunkel

[Griking]

The one thing that really pisses me off about this idea, is the thought process that people only have one video game system. I had two XBOX's for a very long time. I enjoyed having two XBOX systems. One in my Garage Theater, and one in my living room. I have two PS1 systems. I have two Sega Saturns. I have two SNES. Etc, etc. I like having two systems, cause it's just more convienent for me. In fact, I'm buying two XBOX 360 systems. (I'm not sure If I'll actually keep both, or end up selling one for a profit)

I also don't like the thought of this since 80% of the games that I buy are used. But this kind of "program sharing" is already prohibited in the PC software industry. Try installing Microsoft Office 2003 or Turbo Tax on multiple PCs, even if they're both yours and see what happens. Is it really that unlogical that the videogame industry would want to follow the same path? After all, how much money must the industry be loosing because of used games sales?

[kevin_psx]

All I have to say is.... VARIABLE SPEED SPINNING = DISC READ ERROR (not a fanboy just a realist)

Aren't CDs and DVDs variable speed? They work just great.

[jajaja]

I wouldnt take this too serious. Joystiq.com also said that the Zelda 3 proto was real after that homemade screenshot.
If this system should work information had to be burned into the disc or the PS3 had to be connected to a server who checked all codes.

[njiska]

I wouldnt take this too serious. Joystiq.com also said that the Zelda 3 proto was real after that homemade screenshot.
If this system should work information had to be burned into the disc or the PS3 had to be connected to a server who checked all codes.

Joystiq's credibility is irrelevant. They're simply a means to an end if you will. They reported the story but the real story is in the patent itself.

[jajaja]

I wouldnt take this too serious. Joystiq.com also said that the Zelda 3 proto was real after that homemade screenshot.
If this system should work information had to be burned into the disc or the PS3 had to be connected to a server who checked all codes.

Joystiq's credibility is irrelevant. They're simply a means to an end if you will. They reported the story but the real story is in the patent itself.

I never mentioned joystiqs credibility. I said that you shouldnt take the rumor too serious, no matter who wrote it. I just wrote that they posted the Zelda 3 story telling it was real with just 1 screenshot as proof. Also that it was sold for $3000. I think they could have done more research instead of swalloving what the "seller" of Zelda 3 wrote in his blog. Everyone can do that.

[njiska]

I wouldnt take this too serious. Joystiq.com also said that the Zelda 3 proto was real after that homemade screenshot.
If this system should work information had to be burned into the disc or the PS3 had to be connected to a server who checked all codes.

Joystiq's credibility is irrelevant. They're simply a means to an end if you will. They reported the story but the real story is in the patent itself.

Not completely irrelevant. Im just saying that you shouldnt belive anything thats written, even if joystiq writes it.

I know, that's why i'm saying ignore Joystiq, they don't matter and follow the bloody link straight to the offical patent document held by the US Patent Database.

It's written by Sony so beleive me thats what you should be reading.

If you can't find the link in the article then here's a direct one.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=ptxt&S1=%28Kutaragi.INZZ.+AND+Sony.ASNM.%29&OS=in/Kutaragi+AND+an/Sony&RS=%28IN/Kutaragi+AND+AN/Sony

[Slimedog]

The one thing that really pisses me off about this idea, is the thought process that people only have one video game system. I had two XBOX's for a very long time. I enjoyed having two XBOX systems. One in my Garage Theater, and one in my living room. I have two PS1 systems. I have two Sega Saturns. I have two SNES. Etc, etc. I like having two systems, cause it's just more convienent for me. In fact, I'm buying two XBOX 360 systems. (I'm not sure If I'll actually keep both, or end up selling one for a profit)

I also don't like the thought of this since 80% of the games that I buy are used. But this kind of "program sharing" is already prohibited in the PC software industry. Try installing Microsoft Office 2003 or Turbo Tax on multiple PCs, even if they're both yours and see what happens. Is it really that unlogical that the videogame industry would want to follow the same path? After all, how much money must the industry be loosing because of used games sales?

Crap like this is exactly why I don't buy or play PC games anymore. I haven't touched a PC game since Starcraft, and I'll tell you why.

I hate the wacky liscensing grief that they put you through to play anything. It doesn't matter if its connecting to Valve to authenticate your copy or if you are entering in word 6 from page 13 of the manual, I dropped the money to play a game and thats what I want to do. Not sit around proving that I actually dropped the money.

I hate the constant upgrade paths. Every 3 months, your state of the art hardware needs to be replaced and you need to have the latest hardware to keep a competitive edge. Consoles are a level playing field and I like that a lot.

I hate the practice of releasing buggy software and then distributing fixes for it. Get it working right before you ship the damn thing, for crying out loud! The fact that consumers have grown complacent enough to accept this kind of behavior is even more infuriating.

I've heard american software firms commenting something along the lines of the console market needs to start behaving more like the PC market and I strongly disagree.

[rpepper9]

The last paragraph says it all:

Does Sony plan to employ this technology in the PlayStation 3? Not likely. If so, PS3 owners would not be able to rent (used) games or borrow their friends’ games—or even purchase used games! Sure, the technology could be used for Blu-Ray movies, but for games? It just won’t go down like that… right?

And even if they did, how long would it take all the hacksors to get around that little piece of tech? Probably not long. Things like this get blown out of proportion so quickly. Most of the time they don't even happen, and the rest of the time the Hack community comes up with a way around it very quickly. I say nothing to worry about!

[XianXi]

that sounds like something that a microsoft person would write to push people away from the PS3 to boost sales for the 360. IMO

[njiska]

that sounds like something that a microsoft person would write to push people away from the PS3 to boost sales for the 360. IMO

Yeah but it's not. It maybe being reported that way, but the patent is all Sony.

[chrisbid]

does anyone else remember when the RIAA (with Garth Brooks as their mouthpiece) tried to force record stores to stop selling used CDs? The effort fell a little flat, even after ol Garth wouldnt ship his CDs to stores that continued to sell used music.

but the ultimate goal for copyright holders in this day and age of unlimited greed is to squeeze every last penny out of its IPs. If the technology is there, and every publisher is on board, then there is nothing stopping sony or anyone else from pulling this BS.

as short sided as it may be, companies see the sale of used media as lost sales. just as they see every pirate copy ever burned as a lost sale. reality tells us neither case is true,

do companies like sony really give a dam about the EBs and other stores, when Wal Mart is a far bigger customer?

[johno590]

I read an article on this just a little while ago and then saw this thread. I haven't read through the thread but just wanted to say that there would have to be changes to the system because it says that it would only work on the first system the game is played on. That in my opinion would be terrible, and I think it would discourage people to buy a ps3. For me it would anyways.

That means you wouldn't be able to rent video games, borrow games from a friend, play at a friends house with your game, and of course buy used games which is such a nice thing.

[googlefest1]

this would probably work if sony convinced all of it's competitors to jump on the raft with them - then the consumer would be forced to except it or boycott it.

I don't think the majority of people would boycott new games.

The bright side of this system could be that games would cost the consumer less.

i would think that movies will be the test bed

the first blu-ray systems could be like laserdisk was back in the day

[Slimedog]

The bright side of this system could be that games would cost the consumer less.


Why would they cost less? Even if the sales increased because there was no secondary market to compete with, why would the software industry lower prices for consumers? I really doubt that altruism would cause companies to pass up extra profits to make us happy, especially if there were no cheaper alternative for consumers.

[slip81]

Part of me kinda wants Sony to impliment this feature just because, to me anyway, it would be incredible funny to watch a company loose a ton of money on such an obviously stupid move. But realistically, no one is that stupid, not even big business, I'm sure Sony realizes just how much used sales means. Even though they don't see profit from it directly, used games means cheaper games, and cheaper games means someone will more likely spend a little extra on a console.

Anyway, it won't happen, at least not in normal single player games, though I could see it happing with something like a MMORPG, because there is little to no resale value to that software anyway.

If it happens with blu-ray movies, it'll be an annoyance, but no big system failing move, since most people buy their movies new anyway.

[snes_collector]

*walks in topic*

Ever heard the phase "don't believe everything you here(or read)?

Just my two cents


*walks out of topic*