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backguard
04-11-2007, 08:30 PM
curious...i never heard about the yourself fitness suit.

jurassic park: operation genesis seems like it should be on there. i don't know much about it, but it has gotten pretty poor reviews, so maybe the high price is due to its rarity. incidentally, it is also one of eb games "most wanted" trade in list. http://www.ebgames.com/gs/trade-ins/trade-ins.asp

i'm not sure baldur's gate da 2 should be on there. it seems like at least 1 out of every 3 gamestops has one.

Kitsune Sniper
04-11-2007, 08:38 PM
Why the hell is Barbie Horse Adventures on the first post's list?!

xtremegamer
04-11-2007, 08:39 PM
What exactly do we mean by "top collectable" Xbox games? Is that the most valuable and sought after? Or does that simply mean the hardest ones to find? Because there's a lot of rare stuff out there for Xbox that you can pick up on Ebay for dirt cheap, like Pure Pinball, Loons, and Deathrow. I assume the list is for the most valuable and sought after stuff though

I wouldn't add that Rainbow Six 3 headset bundle to the list. Yeah, it's fairly hard to find but I wouldn't call it a collectable. I even tried selling a new & sealed one here and on GameTZ last month for $15 shipped and nobody wanted it. (last one I saw on Ebay went for $7)

Rollercoaster Tycoon and DDR Ultramix 1 w/ pad are pretty hard to find too but I don't think anyone is really looking that hard for them either.

What I am looking for is the hard to find or games that pull high dollar for resale. Example: MVSC2 is not rare by any means, but when you do find it, $$$$. Toe Jam and Earl III doesn't go for much when you find it, but thats just it, try and find it.

xtremegamer
04-11-2007, 08:43 PM
Why the hell is Barbie Horse Adventures on the first post's list?!

Crap like this:


http://cgi.ebay.com/Barbie-Horse-Adventures-Wild-Horse-Rescue-Xbox-RARE_W0QQitemZ120107485062QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62053 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.amazon.com/Barbie-Horse-Adventures-Wild-Rescue/dp/B00009NH6D/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-4810563-0314319?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1176338555&sr=8-1

xtremegamer
04-11-2007, 08:51 PM
I can see putting Yourself! Fitness on the list as it is hard to find and still brings in a good amount $20-$35. My question is what do you pull off the list? Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance II is high dollar even if available everywhere, any suggestions?

DigitalSpace
04-11-2007, 09:08 PM
Why the hell is Barbie Horse Adventures on the first post's list?!

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060109h.jpg

(Couldn't resist.)

roushimsx
04-11-2007, 11:38 PM
Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance II

I've picked this game up twice now, both times for under $20 (I picked up my copy today for $15). I've YET to find a complete copy of Dark Alliance that didn't look like it was mauled by a dog. Seriously, this regional distribution problem thing can just go screw itself :(

On topic... is the Fable Lost Chapters only available as the Platinum Hits release? I wasn't really sure and didn't want to splurge on a PH if there was a non-PH lurking around out there somewhere. No problem if it's a PH-only release...i LOVE it when they do stuff like that (rerelease the game at a budget price with a bunch of extra content, like Midnight Club 3 Dub Edition and Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution)

GM80
04-12-2007, 12:04 AM
On topic... is the Fable Lost Chapters only available as the Platinum Hits release?

It was released for PC, and Xbox as Platinum Hits only. Really throws those anti-Platinum Hits people a curveball :)

orrimarrko
04-12-2007, 12:53 AM
I know this won't be a popular post, but I still have to insist...

Threads like this end up doing more harm than good.

Like that "Rare PS2 games" thread, trying to quantify what games are the "rarest" for the XBOX, especially into a list of 25 will only cause more speculation than factual information.

There are at least 15 titles on that list that are not rare, and just because you can't find them with ease locally, doesn't mean that they are rare.

Without production numbers, the only games that you can infer are harder to come by are "limited edition" games, like the Battlecry boxed set.

That doesn't mean the game is rare, but that there are less available in the complete packaging.

And the "well this fetches $30-40 on ebay arguement is still a ridiculous one.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 will always fetch dollars because it's popular - not because it's in short print.

And things like tentative cover art somehow equals variant? You have to confirm that it even exists before you chalk it up as a variant. Too often the stock photo that ebay uses or Gamestop uses on their sites is from an early mock-up of the cover insert, but never actually was printed.

Anyway, I'm just not a subscriber to these kinds of speculative threads, as I think they do more harm than good.

orrimarrko
04-12-2007, 12:58 AM
I can see putting Yourself! Fitness on the list as it is hard to find and still brings in a good amount $20-$35. My question is what do you pull off the list? Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance II is high dollar even if available everywhere, any suggestions?

I can go pick up a Yourself Fitness tomorrow at Best Buy for under $10. Why this fetches more than that is beyond me.

Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance II has retained it's original retail price (not high dollar, mind you - that's the difference) because it's a great game and has a lot of depth over the first BG: DA. There's a ton of replay value and frankly, the game kicks ass. That's why people are willing to pay more - a good game will do that.

norkusa
04-12-2007, 01:18 AM
Threads like this end up doing more harm than good.

Like that "Rare PS2 games" thread, trying to quantify what games are the "rarest" for the XBOX, especially into a list of 25 will only cause more speculation than factual information.

That's not really what we're trying to do. This is a "Top 25 Collectables" list, not a "Top 25 Rarest" one. The idea here is to list the most sought-after & valuable Xbox games, regardless of rarity. That's why there's a lot of stuff like MvC2, Silent Scope Complete, and Steel Battalion are on there.

orrimarrko
04-12-2007, 01:58 AM
That's not really what we're trying to do. This is a "Top 25 Collectables" list, not a "Top 25 Rarest" one. The idea here is to list the most sought-after & valuable Xbox games, regardless of rarity. That's why there's a lot of stuff like MvC2, Silent Scope Complete, and Steel Battalion are on there.

Fair enough, but even within 2 pages, there have already been cases of what I'm talking about... ;)

What is misleading is that it appears to rank the 25. It might be appropriate to just list 25, or make a disclaimer that they're not in any order.

You know how the casual reader will take that info...

From a collectability standpoint - that almost makes it harder, since it's so subjective.

Good luck though.

xtremegamer
04-12-2007, 10:18 AM
Fair enough, but even within 2 pages, there have already been cases of what I'm talking about... ;)

What is misleading is that it appears to rank the 25. It might be appropriate to just list 25, or make a disclaimer that they're not in any order.

You know how the casual reader will take that info...

From a collectability standpoint - that almost makes it harder, since it's so subjective.

Good luck though.

If you pay attention to the list they are not in order by rarity or from collectable standpoint, but mearly alphabetical order. It would be impossible to rank these within the top 25. My intentions as Norkusa had said before was to come up with a list (not too long) of games you should try and track down now as they have high resale, might have low production, or just highly sought after.

I am actually in route to collect every US Xbox release. I know I have just started and only have 211 games now, but it's a start. If we don't have threads like this, there is no way for someone like me to know that a game I think is rare here, are rare in say Canada or accross the country.

norkusa
04-12-2007, 11:17 AM
xtremegamer, if you're looking for some help, you should go over to cheapassgamer.com and talk to Shipwreck. He's got a complete Xbox collection that he pieced together himself, so he's got a good idea of what some of the top collectable games are. Think he might have even made a thread or two about the subject there.

xtremegamer
04-12-2007, 11:45 AM
xtremegamer, if you're looking for some help, you should go over to cheapassgamer.com and talk to Shipwreck. He's got a complete Xbox collection that he pieced together himself, so he's got a good idea of what some of the top collectable games are. Think he might have even made a thread or two about the subject there.

Thanks for the tip. Im not on there now but that might be a good reason to be.

Leo_A
04-12-2007, 12:00 PM
Does anyone know if Midway Arcade Treasures 1 ever got rereleased with the redesigned cover to match the second two volumes like it did on the PS2?

xtremegamer
04-12-2007, 01:37 PM
Does anyone know if Midway Arcade Treasures 1 ever got rereleased with the redesigned cover to match the second two volumes like it did on the PS2?

Yes it did. The second re-released cover matches vol. 2 and 3.

bangtango
04-12-2007, 02:39 PM
I know this won't be a popular post, but I still have to insist...

Threads like this end up doing more harm than good.

Like that "Rare PS2 games" thread, trying to quantify what games are the "rarest" for the XBOX, especially into a list of 25 will only cause more speculation than factual information.

There are at least 15 titles on that list that are not rare, and just because you can't find them with ease locally, doesn't mean that they are rare.

Without production numbers, the only games that you can infer are harder to come by are "limited edition" games, like the Battlecry boxed set.

That doesn't mean the game is rare, but that there are less available in the complete packaging.

And the "well this fetches $30-40 on ebay arguement is still a ridiculous one.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 will always fetch dollars because it's popular - not because it's in short print.

And things like tentative cover art somehow equals variant? You have to confirm that it even exists before you chalk it up as a variant. Too often the stock photo that ebay uses or Gamestop uses on their sites is from an early mock-up of the cover insert, but never actually was printed.

Anyway, I'm just not a subscriber to these kinds of speculative threads, as I think they do more harm than good.

I guess the toughest thing about doing such a list is that XBox games are still being sold new in various stores around the country. Xbox games that people think are "rare" or games that go for a high price on Ebay are probably sitting on a Walmart shelf someplace right now because the same 5-10 kids who are in every day to look at the Xbox games think those games suck.

When they start drying up from stores, then everything should fall into place sort of like it did for PS1, Super NES, etc. before it.

Still, I don't see the harm in his thread. At worst, it makes a few gamers here aware of some Xbox games they might have missed or games that have a chance of being "rare" or having good resale value.

esquire
04-12-2007, 03:35 PM
If you are searching just for rare XBOX games, head over to this thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80144&highlight=xbox+games

On page 4, Spartacus posts quite a detailed listing of every rare game, including variants, promos and demos.

Here is a picture of his complete collection:


Here's some street cred. You know I spent hours stacking them up like that and still I managed to get some upside down. Oh, poop! :-/

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7721/xgamescx0.th.jpg (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xgamescx0.jpg)

Spartacus
04-12-2007, 05:34 PM
If you are searching just for rare XBOX games, head over to this thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80144&highlight=xbox+games

On page 4, Spartacus posts quite a detailed listing of every rare game, including variants, promos and demos.

Here is a picture of his complete collection:



That's NOT a complete Xbox collection. My apologies if I gave anyone that impression! I merely included the picture because I had offered my opinions about Xbox rarities and wanted to show that I wasn't completely talking out of my ass.

If I were asked what the top 25 most "collectable" Xbox games were, my list would be...

NFL Fever 2002
NFL Fever 2003
NFL Fever 2004
Inside Pitch 2003
NHL Rivals 2004

The Microsoft 1st party sports games. They were mostly well reviewed but Microsoft disbanded it's sports studio after it reached an "understanding" with EA in 2003. They don't make them anymore and to me that's what makes them collectable.


Panzer Dragoon Orta
Jetset Radio Future
Gunvalkyrie

The Smilebit collection.


Dead or Alive 3
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black

The Team Ninja collection.


Toe Jam & Earl III: Mission to Earth
The House of the Dead III
Shenmue II
Crazy Taxi 3
Sega GT 2002
Otogi: Myth of Demons
Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors
OutRun2
OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast

The Sega collection.
And finally...

Dai Senryaku VII: Modern Military Tactics
Steel Battalion
Dino Crisis 3

These games didn't necessarily have a limited production run nor are they high dollar items, but almost all of them were exclusive's on the Xbox and most have a previous history to them that will make them desirable for those who like to have a complete series of games. The rest I just felt were unique enough, for one reason or another, to be collectable. It's just my opinion, of course.

orrimarrko
04-12-2007, 06:51 PM
If you pay attention to the list they are not in order by rarity or from collectable standpoint, but mearly alphabetical order. It would be impossible to rank these within the top 25. My intentions as Norkusa had said before was to come up with a list (not too long) of games you should try and track down now as they have high resale, might have low production, or just highly sought after.

I am actually in route to collect every US Xbox release. I know I have just started and only have 211 games now, but it's a start. If we don't have threads like this, there is no way for someone like me to know that a game I think is rare here, are rare in say Canada or accross the country.

I said that it "appears" that you're ranking them, I didn't say that you were.

My issue is that the casual reader is usually the same one who spreads misinformation. That eventually leads OMFG - it's SO RARE!!

I've been in this long enough to know how it works, and this is how it starts.

I don't agree with your last sentence, but that's just my opinion.

There is an easier, less potentially harmful way to do this, and it's all in the wording.

If you were clear that in the title and the list (sorry - the first thing I see is that list numbered 1-25), it could become just a discussion about collectable XBOX games.

Simply avoid using things like "TOP 25 COLLECTABLE...", and you'd be fine. If the goal is to discuss what XBOX games may hold value over time or be challenging to find in the wild as time goes on, then just say that.

For example: "What XBOX games do you think will be the most collectable, and why?"

This opens it up to discussion, and doesn't quantify anything. You can certainly come to the same conclusions, but don't have to seek that ultimatum that you're looking for.

You posted an attention-grabbing title to the thread, and followed it up with a numerical list of games, with what many consider to be one of the hardest to find in the top spot. Even if you weren't ranking them, it sure has that appearance.

I'm not picking on anyone, please understand that. I'm simply stating that you can discuss this without fostering the "rare" myth.

We've all seen it happen; the darkside of the hobby...

Again, just my opinion.

orrimarrko
04-12-2007, 06:55 PM
That's NOT a complete Xbox collection. My apologies if I gave anyone that impression! I merely included the picture because I had offered my opinions about Xbox rarities and wanted to show that I wasn't completely talking out of my ass.

If I were asked what the top 25 most "collectable" Xbox games were, my list would be...

NFL Fever 2002
NFL Fever 2003
NFL Fever 2004
Inside Pitch 2003
NHL Rivals 2004

The Microsoft 1st party sports games. They were mostly well reviewed but Microsoft disbanded it's sports studio after it reached an "understanding" with EA in 2003. They don't make them anymore and to me that's what makes them collectable.


Panzer Dragoon Orta
Jetset Radio Future
Gunvalkyrie

The Smilebit collection.


Dead or Alive 3
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black

The Team Ninja collection.


Toe Jam & Earl III: Mission to Earth
The House of the Dead III
Shenmue II
Crazy Taxi 3
Sega GT 2002
Otogi: Myth of Demons
Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors
OutRun2
OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast

The Sega collection.
And finally...

Dai Senryaku VII: Modern Military Tactics
Steel Battalion
Dino Crisis 3

These games didn't necessarily have a limited production run nor are they high dollar items, but almost all of them were exclusive's on the Xbox and most have a previous history to them that will make them desirable for those who like to have a complete series of games. The rest I just felt were unique enough, for one reason or another, to be collectable. It's just my opinion, of course.

Now THAT's what I'm talking about! ;)

Well done Sparty.

bangtango
04-12-2007, 07:39 PM
If I were asked what the top 25 most "collectable" Xbox games were, my list would be...

NFL Fever 2002
NFL Fever 2003
NFL Fever 2004
Inside Pitch 2003
NHL Rivals 2004

The Microsoft 1st party sports games. They were mostly well reviewed but Microsoft disbanded it's sports studio after it reached an "understanding" with EA in 2003. They don't make them anymore and to me that's what makes them collectable.

What about NBA Inside Drive 2002, 2003 and 2004? ;)

bangtango
04-12-2007, 07:46 PM
I said that it "appears" that you're ranking them, I didn't say that you were.

My issue is that the casual reader is usually the same one who spreads misinformation. That eventually leads OMFG - it's SO RARE!!

I've been in this long enough to know how it works, and this is how it starts.

I don't agree with your last sentence, but that's just my opinion.

There is an easier, less potentially harmful way to do this, and it's all in the wording.

If you were clear that in the title and the list (sorry - the first thing I see is that list numbered 1-25), it could become just a discussion about collectable XBOX games.

Simply avoid using things like "TOP 25 COLLECTABLE...", and you'd be fine. If the goal is to discuss what XBOX games may hold value over time or be challenging to find in the wild as time goes on, then just say that.

For example: "What XBOX games do you think will be the most collectable, and why?"

This opens it up to discussion, and doesn't quantify anything. You can certainly come to the same conclusions, but don't have to seek that ultimatum that you're looking for.

You posted an attention-grabbing title to the thread, and followed it up with a numerical list of games, with what many consider to be one of the hardest to find in the top spot. Even if you weren't ranking them, it sure has that appearance.

I'm not picking on anyone, please understand that. I'm simply stating that you can discuss this without fostering the "rare" myth.

We've all seen it happen; the darkside of the hobby...

Again, just my opinion.

You're taking his list a little too seriously. This thread isn't going to bring the Xbox collecting scene to its knees. If a person had to run all of his topics by every other member here for approval before even making a thread, we'd never have any posts in this forum.

He did ask for other people's feedback on what games should and shouldn't be on there, right in the original post, so it isn't like he is making a list and saying "Tough s**t. Take it or leave it!"

Besides, he's already dropped two games that I pointed out weren't so rare. Not to mention other edits he has made in respond to the posts that have come in. The current list on Page 1 is quite different than what he originally posted.

orrimarrko
04-12-2007, 08:25 PM
You're taking his list a little too seriously. This thread isn't going to bring the Xbox collecting scene to its knees. If a person had to run all of his topics by every other member here for approval before even making a thread, we'd never have any posts in this forum.

He did ask for other people's feedback on what games should and shouldn't be on there, right in the original post, so it isn't like he is making a list and saying "Tough s**t. Take it or leave it!"

Besides, he's already dropped two games that I pointed out weren't so rare. Not to mention other edits he has made in respond to the posts that have come in. The current list on Page 1 is quite different than what he originally posted.

I'm sure Nork understands what I'm saying - he's been around a long time as well. Many of you who are a little newer to this may not fully understand the impact of this kind of thing.

I'm not saying that discussing these things are bad, quite the contrary.

However, and trust me, if you started a rumor on a site like this that "SUCH AND SUCH game is rare, so pick them up!" It would only take a few days before it's on other sites, and word of mouth takes over from there.

It's been done before, that's how I know.

People look to a site like this for definative information, and expect that there are enough people who know what they're talking about, to provide concrete answers.

Thing is, there aren't any. That's why Spartacus' post was great. He posted what he thought was worthy of collecting for the XBOX, rather than worrying about after-market value or quantities.

Truth is, these games are all produced in such mass quantity, that none of them will be unattainable.

I equate this type of speculation to Star Wars collecting, and since I've done them both for a couple of decades, I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.

Star Wars toys from 1978-1985 (8 years, mind you) only produced about 100 figures, and people actually played with them, so many weren't hanging around in their packages. Those that remained sell for ridiculous amounts these days - so much, in fact, that when the new line started again in 1995 (to present, now at 12 years running), people have been buying them not only to collect, but to hopefully duplicate efforts from the original toy line.

NOT going to happen, because it's common for everyone to keep them in the packages, and there are a LOT more of them being produced.

Where this equates to video games...

If every kid who played Atari in the 1970s and 1980s knew that the crappy games made by small distributors would be worth a fortune today, they would have bought them, and never opened them. In fact, most of the highest dollar-fetching games out there belong to one console - the 2600. We've had this discussion several times on this site, and while other consoles have their arguements, the shear volume and difficulty to obtain complete copies of many of the 2600 games make it one of the (if not the) most expensive to complete.

So, when the video game collecting bug took off, around the late 90s, early 2000's, the common theme was to speculate what games would be worth a lot in the future. Buy them complete, keep them in minty condition. It still happens today.

I'm not saying that's the point of this thread - again, I didn't say that.

BUT, even unintentionally, threads like this contribute to negative results.

I used to be one of those people (when I first came here) who used to ask, "what are the hardest games to find for X system" - like that was all that mattered.

Just try to get all of the games for the library, if that's your goal, and I promise you - you'll find out naturally which ones are the toughest.

Good luck!

Peace,
Orri~

bangtango
04-12-2007, 08:48 PM
I'm sure Nork understands what I'm saying - he's been around a long time as well. Many of you who are a little newer to this may not fully understand the impact of this kind of thing.

I'm not saying that discussing these things are bad, quite the contrary.

However, and trust me, if you started a rumor on a site like this that "SUCH AND SUCH game is rare, so pick them up!" It would only take a few days before it's on other sites, and word of mouth takes over from there.

I'm not "newer" to this, thank you very much. You and Nork aren't the only ones who have "been around a long time." I don't know about xtremegamer but don't assume anyone who disagrees with you blasting the original poster is a novice who just showed up out of the woodwork.

I've posted here since 2001, not always under this name, so I've seen enough discussions around here. I don't own a Turbo Duo or a copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga but I'm not a total poser. I didn't just suddenly join this web site overnight because I got into collecting on a kick. I've been playing video games since 1984 so I'm not as green as you suggest in your reply to me. What the hell?

xtremegamer
04-12-2007, 09:45 PM
I had no intentions on stiring up problems with this thread. Just looking for peoples opinions of games they think I should track down from a collectable standpoint.

scooterb23
04-12-2007, 09:58 PM
I'm going to throw a game up for consideration for the list. It came up in conversation, and I realized that I completely forgot about the game's existance.

Raze's Hell.

I can honestly say that I haven't seen it around anywhere recently (else I wouldn't have forgotten about it). Any thoughts about this one?

xtremegamer
04-12-2007, 10:04 PM
I'm going to throw a game up for consideration for the list. It came up in conversation, and I realized that I completely forgot about the game's existance.

Raze's Hell.

I can honestly say that I haven't seen it around anywhere recently (else I wouldn't have forgotten about it). Any thoughts about this one?

It seems to be available everywhere around here. I will do some more research on this one though.

scooterb23
04-12-2007, 10:22 PM
That's cool, like I said...it's just one of those games that when it first came out I said "Hmmm, maybe I should pick that up soon" and now that I've been reminded of it...I can't find it!

bangtango
04-12-2007, 10:32 PM
I had no intentions on stiring up problems with this thread. Just looking for peoples opinions of games they think I should track down from a collectable standpoint.

One or two "serious" collectors have the notion that starting a thread like this is irresponsible and will cause people all over the internet to suddenly buy up every game which appears on this very list. I don't know why people get so dramatic about a list like this. I understood the thread for what it was, just general discussion about Xbox games that people might want to consider picking up before they can no longer be found new in regular stores.

I don't see what the problem is with the thread either. Of course when I make a post saying that, I get written off as a "newbie." Unbelievable.

scooterb23
04-12-2007, 11:37 PM
You farking n00b!! :P

I'll throw another vote in for supporting this thread, let's face it...it's an internet forum. You could give everyone $5, and someone would bitch because it wasn't $10, or it's not in Pounds, or Monopoly money, or coins from the island of Yap, or ZOMG NOW TEH GOVERNMENTS IZ GONNA TAKE MOAR OF MY MONIES AWAY!!!!11`1`!!!1!ONE!...you get the point.

So don't lket a couple folks bug ya...have fun with it, that's the point of it all :)

Pilotwings
04-12-2007, 11:50 PM
I know tonyhawks pro skater 2x is probably not hard to get a hold of in the usa but it wasn't realeased here europe or asia so surly that makes it a teeny bit "rare" if you can only get it in 1 ov the big 3 gaming zones.

orrimarrko
04-13-2007, 02:31 AM
One or two "serious" collectors have the notion that starting a thread like this is irresponsible and will cause people all over the internet to suddenly buy up every game which appears on this very list. I don't know why people get so dramatic about a list like this. I understood the thread for what it was, just general discussion about Xbox games that people might want to consider picking up before they can no longer be found new in regular stores.

I don't see what the problem is with the thread either. Of course when I make a post saying that, I get written off as a "newbie." Unbelievable.

Listen, I never called you a noob. Re-read the sentence, it says, "Many of you" - not "you." You claimed that I was taking this a little too seriously, which I find a little hypocritical at this moment. You need to chill a little.

And I didn't BLAST the OP. I offered some suggestions which would help to clarify the true intention of the thread, as it can be misleading.

Even if you aren't new to collecting, or the effects of misinformation as it relates to after-market pricing, that doesn't mean that others who are reading this thread aren't.

The OP had acknowledged that he was, and I felt my suggestions would help.

You're entitled to your opinions on the subject, aren't I?

P1TCH BLACK
04-14-2007, 02:28 PM
the one game that took me awhile to find is Mortal Kombat Kollectors edition with Raiden on the cover.

xtremegamer
04-15-2007, 12:35 AM
the one game that took me awhile to find is Mortal Kombat Kollectors edition with Raiden on the cover.


I've noticed that all the Kollectors Edition's of Deception are hard to track down with exception of Melina. The others where exclusive to individual stores though. Hopefully they will turn up in the wild around here soon.

xtremegamer
04-15-2007, 12:37 AM
xtremegamer, if you're looking for some help, you should go over to cheapassgamer.com and talk to Shipwreck. He's got a complete Xbox collection that he pieced together himself, so he's got a good idea of what some of the top collectable games are. Think he might have even made a thread or two about the subject there.

I was taking a look around that site the other day, it turns out shipwreck has around 300 games, I guess he sold off the a bunch of his xbox collection. He has posted some very usefull information though.

roushimsx
04-15-2007, 12:54 AM
I know tonyhawks pro skater 2x

I haven't seen a copy of that around here in years, which sucks because it's one of those games I always wanted to pick up once I got an Xbox and now that I have one...I can't get it. Fuck. :(

xtremegamer
04-15-2007, 04:18 PM
I haven't seen a copy of that around here in years, which sucks because it's one of those games I always wanted to pick up once I got an Xbox and now that I have one...I can't get it. Fuck. :(


Really? It's odd how on one part of the country games are easy to find, and on another they are impossible to track down. During my weekly visit to the game stores around here, I must have seen 4 to 5 copies of Tony Hawk 2x.

Steve W
04-15-2007, 10:07 PM
I personally don't think a speculative thread like this does too much harm. For collectors, it's a good place to figure out which certain games are harder to locate than others, so if they come across them at some point, they can make the decision whether or not to pick it up because it might be a while before you come across another.

I have been wondering about Yourself! Fitness, since it's targeted at such a small niche market. I wonder how big a print run something like that might have received. Probably a decent amount, considering that I've seen it collecting dust in stores like Best Buy and Fry's Electronics for some time.

esquire
04-15-2007, 11:13 PM
Just a heads up to all XBOX collectors that Gamestop/EB has their Buy 2 Get 1 Free deal back on for all used XBOX games through May 27.

j_factor
04-16-2007, 12:07 AM
My local Fry's still had Shattered Union in stock last time I was there. Is it worth picking up?

Also, what the hell is Nemesis Strike? I own both CT Special Forces games for GBA, and I've never even heard of it.

Push Upstairs
04-16-2007, 03:18 AM
Just a heads up to all XBOX collectors that Gamestop/EB has their Buy 2 Get 1 Free deal back on for all used XBOX games through May 27.

I'm not usually one to demand a mint game, but some of the stuff at EB looks terrible. I find it inconceivable that one would buy a ratty game for $25-30 when I can find a similarly used game on Ebay for less.

But I might still give EB a looksee, I might find some gold.

norkusa
04-16-2007, 12:07 PM
I'm not usually one to demand a mint game, but some of the stuff at EB looks terrible. I find it inconceivable that one would buy a ratty game for $25-30 when I can find a similarly used game on Ebay for less.

Thats funny because that is actually the only good thing I can say about my local EG/GS. Whenever I bought a game from there, I'd always ask to look at the disc before they ring me up. Probably 90-95% of the games I'd look at were flawless without any marks or scratches on them.

I don't shop at that dump any longer though, so maybe standards have changed since I've last been in there.

Steve W
04-16-2007, 12:51 PM
My local Fry's still had Shattered Union in stock last time I was there. Is it worth picking up?
If it's anything like the Dallas area Fry's Electronics, the game might be marked down pretty cheap. I bought my copy at Fry's for $9.90.

While you're there, go through the shelf and check the game prices pretty well. Since the Xbox is essentially dead, Fry's has been marking down games insanely cheap. In February and March I was picking up loads of decent games all around the $5 mark.

esquire
04-16-2007, 02:30 PM
I'm not usually one to demand a mint game, but some of the stuff at EB looks terrible. I find it inconceivable that one would buy a ratty game for $25-30 when I can find a similarly used game on Ebay for less.

But I might still give EB a looksee, I might find some gold.

I am not sure when the last time you stepped into a EB/GS, but there are very few XBOX games that run $25-30, and they are mainly the newer games like Scarface and Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Most of the games are $9.99 and under, so a B2G1 free deal works out quite well. Like norkusa, I only pick out the games in very good condition. They may not all be mint, but they are complete and in very good condition. Of course, there are always a few that are "ratty" or covered in "hand cheese", but I simply pass on those. Maybe you just have a bad EB in your area. Being from Metro-Detroit, I have quite a few options as far as EB/GS stores are concerned. Besides, for someone like me who plans on collecting all 853 or more XBOX games, buying them all sealed or in mint condition may not be an option - availability or price wise.

I was able to pick up a CIB (controllers;pedals) Steel Battalion used today for $49.99, plus Sniper Elite ($34.99) and Scarface (free) for $81 (includes tax; less 10%). Plus I was able to find a Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2X for $2.99. al of these were in very good condition. They even had a second Steel Battalion, although not boxed, but complete, that I was tempted to buy as well, but I passed.

So, all I was getting at is that if you are looking to start your XBOX collection, or just looking for rare games, now is the time to buy with that sale going on.

xtremegamer
04-16-2007, 04:20 PM
When did the sale start? I was just in my EB games Saturday and they did have the promotion running in my store. Of course even if my store has the promotion, I will not find anything as 85% of the Xbox wall are games in homemade cases.

esquire
04-16-2007, 10:13 PM
When did the sale start? I was just in my EB games Saturday and they did have the promotion running in my store. Of course even if my store has the promotion, I will not find anything as 85% of the Xbox wall are games in homemade cases.

One store I went started it on Sunday; the other started it today. It runs through 5/27. Looks like they want to clear out their stock.

Push Upstairs
04-17-2007, 12:22 AM
I am not sure when the last time you stepped into a EB/GS, but there are very few XBOX games that run $25-30, and they are mainly the newer games like Scarface and Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

It has been awhile. I was thinking about my quest for "Gauntlet: Dark Legacy" where I ended up either paying $1 or $1 less on Ebay than what EB was asking for their tattered copy.

I also scoffed at the $17.99 they were asking for a similarly ratty copy of "Ty the Tasmanian Tiger".

But I'm making a point to check out the EB at the mall here tomorrow, perhaps they will have something worth a damn.

xtremegamer
04-17-2007, 11:22 AM
Confirmed, the EB Games here is running the B2G1F promo. Plus, the new Game Stop opens on Friday. Sweet, 2 places to go.

scooterb23
04-17-2007, 11:54 PM
Well, I hit 1 (out of about 26 Gamestops in Columbus) and found 1 XBox game worth buying...

/me holds up his copy of Raze's Hell

:D It had a $15 price tag on it...rang up at $8. Amazing how I had been to at least 15 of the other stores in town, and never saw it...then I mention it as possibly being harder to find and POOF

GrandAmChandler
04-18-2007, 01:28 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Counter-Strike-Limited-Numbered-Cover-Xbox-Game-RARE_W0QQitemZ230115945138QQihZ013QQcategoryZ62053 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohos ting

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/sopranos/cs01.jpg

Any clues? More pics in the link. Disc and Manual look the same, was the cover just a preorder bonus? It looks like each one is numbered.

-GAC-

xtremegamer
04-18-2007, 01:33 PM
never heard of this (counter strike). Anybody know some background? Not a bad price if it's legit.

Push Upstairs
04-18-2007, 01:58 PM
That guy holding the M-16 looks really pissed.

FaSCoRP
04-18-2007, 04:24 PM
never heard of this (counter strike). Anybody know some background? Not a bad price if it's legit.

Itīs legit. I owned it a while ago. Think about the same game as in the pc, but with a little better graphics.

Mr. Smashy
04-18-2007, 04:49 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Counter-Strike-Limited-Numbered-Cover-Xbox-Game-RARE_W0QQitemZ230115945138QQihZ013QQcategoryZ62053 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohos ting

Any clues? More pics in the link. Disc and Manual look the same, was the cover just a preorder bonus? It looks like each one is numbered.

-GAC-

That looks pretty fake. Why no NTSC or PAL indication on the face or spine of the case? Why no ESRB or PEGI rating on the front? Why would the collector's edition cover look nearly identical to the covers of different regions? Why would it say "cover artwork" on the front of the insert?

P1TCH BLACK
04-18-2007, 05:50 PM
its real. It was a numbered bonus that was given out in a sealed envelope. It was just a replacement cover.

skylark
04-19-2007, 12:33 PM
Here are a few games (in no order) that I'd conssider difficult to acquire outside of Ebay relative to other xbox releases:

Battle Engine Aquila
Ultimate Beach Soccer
Groove Rider
ESPN MLS Extratime
Red Card 2003
Sega Soccer Slam
I-Ninja
Outrun 2006
Arx Fatalis
New Legends
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Rollercoaster Tycoon
Barbie Horse Adventures
Frogger Beyond
Curse: The Eye of Isis
Still Life (getting there at least)
Stake: Fortune Fighters
Bloody Roar Extreme
Samurai Shodown V
F1 2001
Psychonauts appears to be drying up

And sundry others, but I think most of the hardest are in that list somewhere. Jurassic Park (which is actually not a bad game), Barbie, and F1 2001 seem to be the hardest as I've only seen Barbie twice and the others once. Frogger Beyond is pretty tough to find as well.

I'd be interested to hear impressions about Red Card 2003, Sega Soccer Slam, and I-Ninja.

64Bits
04-19-2007, 12:43 PM
There's a sealed Red Card 20-03 on ebay right now for Xbox that is sealed, for right around $25. Now that I see there is a decent selection of soccer games on the xbox, I might set out to try and collect all of them. Decent cover art on this one too, featuring Brian McBride of Team USA/Fulham FC.

GrandAmChandler
04-19-2007, 03:30 PM
After talking with the originator of this thread Xtremegamer, I am going to go head and merge this thread with the "Rare Xbox Games" thread. This will help keep all of this Xbox collector info in one place.

-GAC-

xtremegamer
04-19-2007, 03:31 PM
EB online is selling I-ninja for $4.99.

josekortez
05-05-2007, 10:40 AM
Does anyone else here own Championship Bowling? It was released by Encore. The other night was the first time I'd ever seen it and I snapped it right up!

Spartacus
05-05-2007, 07:46 PM
Championship Bowling is still pretty easy to find new at GameRush. I see it at EB/Gamestop's as well. I don't think it's ALL that uncommon.
RedCard Soccer 20-03 was one that I was worried I'd have to buy on online. I didn't like the asking prices I was seeing much either! But, I ran across two copies this week during EB/Gamestops B2G1F. They were priced $2.99 without any discount. My lucky day! LOL

On the flip side. Has anyone noticed that World Championship Pool 2004 is very easy to find on the Xbox, but noticably scarce on the PS2.
Odd.

dcescott
05-05-2007, 09:42 PM
Okay I just got Samurai Showdown 5 on the xbox. 20 bucks new at Gamestop.
I hate giving money to that cashcow, but I own a neo geo mvs 2 slot and have SS1-4. I can't afford 300 bucks for the real deal.

I have seen the death blows from the characters on You Tube for SS5. Crazy Stuff.

G4MZ0v3R
05-06-2007, 04:14 AM
How about Call of Cthulhu: Dark corners of the earth?

Steve W
05-06-2007, 05:13 PM
Best Buy had the Call of Cthulhu game knocked down to $9.99 for a while.

ianoid
05-25-2007, 09:38 AM
Just some comments. With the buy 2 get 1 free Xbox sale at Game Stop, I've bought around 125 Xbox games keeping the average price under $4. I've been carrying around a list of most of the games listed in the thread and I've been meaning to post my comments. I've stopped at around 8 games stops in the past couple of weeks and a Game Crazy looking for Xbox. The number corresponds to the number I've seen. '?' means I may not have been looking for this closely enough

Battle Engine Aquila - 3 - Doesn't seem that tough.
Ultimate Beach Soccer - ?
Groove Rider - ?
ESPN MLS Extratime - ?
Red Card 2003 - ?
Sega Soccer Slam - ?
I-Ninja - I've seen this around. Not sure that I was working for it though
Outrun 2006 I've seen several copies of this game. Perhaps it's because it's a recent release
Arx Fatalis - 2 - seems sort of tough
Chicago Enforcer - I found 2 copies at one shop - $5 each. I bought both.
New Legends - I've seen several copies of this.
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis - I can't recall if I've seen this one
Rollercoaster Tycoon I saw one boxed copy and I bought it. Seems certifiably rare
Barbie Horse Adventures I saw one copy for $8 at Game Crazy and I bought it. Seems rare.
Frogger Beyond I haven't seen one copy of this
Curse: The Eye of Isis - I saw one copy of this for $7 and I bought it with B2G1
Still Life (getting there at least) - I believe that I've seen several copies of this. It might be because it's unpopular. I doubt that it's terribly rare.
Stake: Fortune Fighters - ?
Bloody Roar Extreme - ?
Samurai Shodown V - I saw one copy of this and bought it. Probably rare.
F1 2001 - This I haven't seen yet. Seems certifiably rare.

Others mentioned previously:
Obscure - I've seen at least 3 copies of this. I got one of them.
Predator Concrete Jungle- Every store has a copy of this. It's not rare, as far as I can tell.
Spy vs. Spy - I saw maybe 6 copies of this. I don't think it's rare either.
Otagi 2 - this I've seen at multiple stores- maybe 4 copies. Frankly I've seen fewer copies of Otagi 1 than Otagi 2. I doubt it's that rare.
Drive for Life - I saw one copy and bought it. It's only $3 at Gamestop
Whiteout- haven't seen a copy yet
Yourself Fitness- haven't seen one yet
Shattered Union- I saw one new copy at a Gamestop (too bad new does not mean shrinkwrapped) - $35 - I passed. I think it's rather rare.
Sniper Elite - I saw one used copy at a Gamestop yesterday. $35. I almost regret not buying it, but I probably would have if I could have found other expensive games to pair it up with neat that price. I think it's rather rare.
Loons - I haven't seen one copy of this game yet. It's probably quite rare.
Futurame - I haven't seen a copy of this game
KOF 2002-3 - I haven't seen this one
Fatal Frame one - haven't seen it
Evil Dead Fistful of Boomstick. I passed on a 'new' copy at Game Crazy. $15. Kinda wish I'd bought it now, but otherwise, I haven't seen a copy.
Dai Senraku vii - 2 - kinda tough I would guess
Air Force Delta Store - 1 - kinda tough, but rarity probably overblown
Alien Vs Predator - I've seen several copies. Probably not that tough
Blackstone Magic Steel - I saw a copy and bought it. Probably rare
Deathrow - haven't seen a copy of it yet
Frogger Beyond - haven't seen a copy
Marvel vs Capcom 2 - I saw a used copy priced at $35 and passed.
Metal Slug 3 - I saw a copy yesterday and picked it up at around $13. I haven't seen other copys, although there are alot of Metal Slug 4 & 5s out there.
Pulse Racer - I haven't seen a copy yet
Monopoly Party - ?
Nemesis Strike - ?
Tom and Jerry Whiskers - ?


So that's my experience. I think that several previously mentioned as rare (ie. Predator, Otagi 2, AvP, OPbscure, Spy vs. Spy, New Legends) are less likely to end up being among the harder titles (clearly: Frogger Beyond, Loons, F1 2001) or even the likely rarities (Sniper Elite, Shattered Union). And some are just priced high, like the typical fighter 'rarity', Marvel vs. Capcom.

I hope to check out more stores before the sale ends. I'll post a tradelist once I get my act together. And I'll add some of the titles from this list that I wasn't looking out for too.

ian

Neil Koch
05-25-2007, 10:46 AM
I picked up ESPN MLS Extratime at EB last weekend for $3 (actually about $2 since they were still doing the buy 2 get 1 free). The graphics and commentary are pretty awful, but the actual gameplay isn't too bad.

Steve W
05-25-2007, 12:24 PM
I got a new copy of Raze's Hell off Amazon.com for $10. And a couple weeks ago, out at the local flea market, I saw (but didn't buy) a copy of some Xbox game with the giant "Microsoft Employee Store" sticker on the front. I considered buying it, but it was still sealed and wasn't anything I was interested in, so it wasn't worth my money. They would have charged me an insane amount for it anyway.

skylark
05-25-2007, 07:21 PM
I picked up a copy of Loons last week, but I have yet to see a copy of Outrun 2006. It's the only "rarity" I'm missing.

Neil Koch
05-25-2007, 11:02 PM
I picked up SNK vs Capcom: SVC Chaos at EB today. As per the rarity guide, I guess it's pretty common, but it was kind of strange finding a Europe-only release at EB, especially for only about $6.75 with the B2G1 sale.

Push Upstairs
05-26-2007, 12:48 AM
I picked up a copy of Loons last week, but I have yet to see a copy of Outrun 2006. It's the only "rarity" I'm missing.

I have never seen another physical copy of this game other than the one I ordered on-line. I saw the PS2 and PSP versions *ONCE*...but nobody around here ever had the XBOX version.


When I was in EB the other day one of the guys there was going on about "Test Drive: Eve of Destruction" being rare or something (despite two copies being in their bin). Ebay was brought up in this conversation but my later investigation proved that this man was mistaken. But the other dude was correct about "Toejam & Earl 3"...rare.

Emuaust
05-26-2007, 01:08 AM
the funny thing is I have three copies of Tiejam and Earl #, I bought it another two times forgetting I had already puchased it!

DTJAAAAMJSLM
05-26-2007, 06:06 AM
Sorry, posted in the wrong topic...

skylark
05-26-2007, 07:39 AM
I picked up SNK vs Capcom: SVC Chaos at EB today. As per the rarity guide, I guess it's pretty common, but it was kind of strange finding a Europe-only release at EB, especially for only about $6.75 with the B2G1 sale.

You sure it's Europe only? It's been all over the place for years.