Xbox 360 returns? When are they gonna end? [Archive]

neonesmaster

04-05-2006, 03:46 PM

This forum is for anyone that owns a 360 or anyone that sells 360's as part of their jobs.

my name is ace and ive mentioned before but here it goes again. i work as a retail store manager and i am sick of 360 returns. in my district alone the managers are complaining of how many are coming back to us broken. sure it was a first month problem, but now that microsoft's 90 day guarantee is up?

the people think they can just bring them back to us. maybe if they bought a warranty, but i know i sold many 360's with warranties and everyone of the customers are entitled to bring it back, but where is the love ?

did microsoft know this was gonna happen? this makes no one want to by xbox stuff from my store. but what about other stores. i know the people are bringing them back to them. and best buy for instance

they sell 2 year service plans and they must be getting them back now more than ever since the manufacturer warranty is up.

i needed to vent so here it goes....

"Microsoft's x-box 360 is the next generation of dreamcast!"

i see it dying off shortly and none of the games have reply.

what were they thinking.

go on line.

pay to play your old games
pay to play your new games
pay us for broken stuff and sign up for xbox live just to have your account not get any use cause your system is dead?

seriuosly!!!!!!!!

s1lence

04-05-2006, 03:59 PM

I have had no issues with mine and I don't know anyone personally that has had any problems with their's. Come to think of it, I know alot more people (myself included) that have had problems with the xbox 1. Anyway, this thread will most certainly degrade to an ugly mess, but sorry that you hate dealing with customers. (Not meant to be a stab at you btw)

NE146

04-05-2006, 04:08 PM

Hey.. funny this topic came up. Look at this conversation I JUST had on irc literally three minutes ago. :P (it's now 1:08pm)

[13:04] <XinV> i have to send my 360 in =(
[13:05] <XinV> oblivion killed my 360 =/
[13:05] <XinV> heh
[13:06] <NE1469> XinV: what happened?
[13:06] <XinV> good thing i have extended warranty
[13:06] <NE1469> your 360 died?
[13:06] <JQ`> told ya RPG's suck
[13:06] <XinV> it froze up then when i restart i get the 3 red lights

So there ya go.. first hand experience :P

s1lence

04-05-2006, 04:12 PM

CrimsonNugget

04-05-2006, 04:19 PM

Mine froze once playing Fable, but nothing besides that. I've been pretty happy with mine.

NE146

04-05-2006, 04:25 PM

Yeah I know this guy bought his at launch. So he would have said the same thing ("no problems so far")

...that is up until the point he's been playing Oblivion on it non stop LOL

[13:07] <XinV> if it does boot up it takes about 5 mins for it to fuck up
[13:09] <XinV> im getting my box sent to me
[13:09] <XinV> this sux. im gonna lose my saves =(
[13:09] <XinV> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO
[13:10] <XinV> MY OBLIVION WORK WILL BE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNEEEEE !!!!!

njiska

04-05-2006, 04:38 PM

I've never had any critical issues aside from my Profile being corrupted once. Aside fromt hat, no over heating and no scratched disc.

Oh, and yes i am running it vertically.

pacmanhat

04-05-2006, 06:14 PM

I've had to replace mine, but that was more of a judgment call than anything else. Several minor problems but nothing incredibly serious.

And calling the 360 the second coming of the Dreamcast? Do your research, buddy. LOL

njiska

04-05-2006, 06:21 PM

And calling the 360 the second coming of the Dreamcast? Do your research, buddy. LOL

Hey if the 360 is the Next-Gen Dreamcast then the PS3 is shaping up to be the Next-Gen 3DO. LOL

Juganawt

04-05-2006, 08:32 PM

I've only had a couple of small tiny issues with mine.

Oblivion has crashed while loading a new area 3 times... but if you reboot the game and hold down A it clears the cache and works fine... and sometimes it takes 2 - 3 tries to load an update for a game from the Live server. Both I think are more software issues than hardware, and are well within expectations of any system.

My 360 has had zero overheat issues - and I've pretty much had it running constantly since I bought the machine in December.

No scratched discs, no corrupt profiles, no nothing.

Juganawt

04-05-2006, 08:36 PM

nik

04-05-2006, 09:30 PM

mine had to be sent back..

So what? They replace it free, big deal.

diskoboy

04-05-2006, 10:37 PM

Nothing big... Mine froze up only once when I was playing CoD2 online, and that's about it.

Everything else is tip-top. No heat probs, either

tholly

04-06-2006, 12:19 AM

the only problem i have ever had with any systems were:

PSP...i brought back bc of dead pixels....mine still has 1 dp, but when on you cant tell at all, so not worth worrying about...

XBox...thompson drive died........plays most games fine, one or two free up, thats it

not other system problems, knock on wood..

Gamereviewgod

04-06-2006, 11:45 AM

Had major controller/headset issues, but they seem to be resolved. System has been great beyond that.

i see it dying off shortly and none of the games have reply.

what were they thinking.

go on line.

pay to play your old games
pay to play your new games
pay us for broken stuff and sign up for xbox live just to have your account not get any use cause your system is dead?

Um, no. Why do we have to pay to play our old games? We don't. BC updates are free. And we shouldn't expect to pay for new games? That's your reason for believeing the system will die? Seriously?

captain nintendo

04-06-2006, 12:53 PM

Not a single issue with my 360. As a matter of fact, I know more than a few local DP members who have not had a single issue with their 360's.

You know whats funny? when I worked in the car business for nearly 10 year, I could tell you what cars and what models had issues. And I was in the service department... I dealt with some really upset people every now and then. Somtimes things dont come off the assembly line right, or maybe something occurs after they buy it. 100% of everything cant be perfect. ;)

Dobie

04-07-2006, 02:10 AM

Mine crapped out on me a couple of weeks ago. No real indications it was about to die were present... it just went *poof!*. But MS customer service was top-notch. They replaced my 360 ASAP--exactly one week later I had a new system, and all is well with the new one. BTW, I bought mine on launch... so the 90 day warranty had passed, since it died in late March (approx 120 days later). Still, MS replaced it for free, no questions asked, and my new Xbox has a NEW 90 day warranty. No complaints from me.

jdc

04-07-2006, 08:31 AM

Mine has a so-so controller, it tends to decide not to hold a charge once in a while, but I bought a charge and play kit and it's only the controller, which can be replaced if I get tired of it, so who cares?

The only thing that really bothers me is that I tend to be fickle about my discs...and yep, I've noticed that mine DOES indeed scuff discs, although how I don't know. I'm not a tech guy. My Oblivion disc has a nice one across it that wasn't there when I bought it, since I examine all new discs before I use them.

It's frozen up on a number of occasions...but only with Oblivion and NFS Most Wanted.

I've worked in the gaming industry and I know well enough the chance you take with being first in line to own a new console. Besides.....what the hell do you expect for $600 Canadian? Perfection? LOL

neonesmaster

04-07-2006, 11:13 AM

i see that everyone ot there has a bit of somethign to say about their xbox. almost everyone says they are still supporting their microsoft buddies and i am standing on the other side of the line. i do not support microsoft with their 360 launch.

i have seen at least 1 copy of every single game come back a s a used game already in my store. why doesnt anyone want to keep their games nowadays. you pay 69.99 for oblivion and then trade it in a week later?

well, if you remember paying that price for snes games then you can honestly tell yourself that the day of the 360 beig superior will have to come to an end someday.

i see it dying off with the launch of the ps3 or the revolution. poeple are unhappy with the games and as for the graphics being 100 % the best? are you kidding?

i have seen better graphics on my neo geo...JK

ok so the xbox 360 is superior for its time, but how long will this fame last?

and yes microsoft did extend its warranty from 90 days to 6 months. so for anyone that has an issue with your 360 please call microsoft with your reciept and let them know. their turn around time is great and you should be more than pleased with the free shipping and your new console.

good luck to all of you followers of the 360

Playstation and Nintendo are still in it to win and they will prevail....at least 1 of them will!

Oobgarm

04-07-2006, 11:39 AM

The reason you see more stuff traded in is becuase the trade-in market is much more lucrative and companies are hustling their employees to put the trade-in pressure on customers. Always asking for trades, putting up a 'Trade 2 get 1' deal, etc. They know that people will trade if they get in in their heads.

I don't think it's that people are disappointed with their games. I'll give you Perfect Dark, as it was sub-par, and I'd expect to see it traded in-along with older 2005 sports titles like NBA and Madden.

If people are for some reason disappointed, it's just because the system hasn't completely hit it's stride yet. Either that, or they're playing Geometrey Wars or some other Xbox Live Arcade game instead of the traditional disc-based games. I can certain attest that I play the XBL games more often.

Anthony1

04-07-2006, 12:18 PM

I think the problems that you are seeing with 360 systems is to be expected. I expect the same thing with the PS3. These new systems have tremendous power, and keeping them cool is difficult. There are so many different things that can go wrong. Also, if you are a early adopter, this is something that you usually have to live with. Early adopters are kinda like testers for the general public. We get the stuff first, find out whats wrong with it, and then when the general public finally decides to buy one, they get one that has had most of the issues corrected. It's just the way it goes. Of course being able to play Next-Gen games way before the mass market has it's appeals too.

At first I thought that I had a bunk 360, cause mine would sometimes just freeze and lockup. I would have to turn the system off manually and turn it on again. This would only happen once in awhile, but I thought that my 360 was going to die any minute. However, in the last couple of months, I haven't had any problems at all. I have mine vertical, and everythings been working good. I bought the two year protection plan from Microsoft, so no worries anyways.

nik

04-07-2006, 12:40 PM

just posted my review, I'll be updating it... maybe it'll freak people out a little less when they see dates and stuff according to what happens when you send it in.

googlefest1

04-07-2006, 01:37 PM

dont forget that some trades "could possibly" be thefts

GrayFox

04-07-2006, 02:34 PM

PS2 returns? When are they gonna end?

sabre2922

04-07-2006, 06:04 PM

"Microsoft's x-box 360 is the next generation of dreamcast!"

You mean a technically superior console to anything preceeding it as well as the first batch of machines to come after it's release with a superb online service, superb controller, and dozens upon dozens of top notch exclusive titles that warrant the purchase of the machine immediately and with graphics that blow away the upcoming Playstation console ?

I'd agree with that.

agreed - everything except the superb controller thing I did "like" the DCs controller but it wasnt the best

In all respect neonesmaster you should do your research a little more when posting on this board.

The Dreamcast failed for many DIFFERENT reasons than what you have stated thus far when comparing it to the 360 or vice versa.

I wont go into the details but just to point out a few -THE GAMES - the games on Dreamcast were far beyond ANYTHING that had been seen previously (graphics) not the least of wich SOUL CALIBUR and any gamer worth his or her salt was ecstactic the moment they launched up SC or even Sonic Adventure the day they got their DC.

- unlike the mostly luke warm responses the first batch of 360 games have gotten from critics,casuals, and the hardcore.

The same type of responses will be heard round the world when both the Revolution is luanched and yes even the mighty PS3 since many games will look like pumped up shiny current gen games to at least 75% of the people that play them especially the casual and the jaded younglings.

IF the 360 is the next Dreamcast then I need to sell my PC and buy a premium 360 RIGHT NOW @_@ ...but the 360 isnt the next Dreamcast and Microsoft is determined to make it a success no matter the cost ; yet again another fact that led to the DCs early demise Sega was already in the red when the Dreamcast launched and at the time of the Dreamcasts launch they didnt have a quarter of the hard cash in the bank that Microsoft does, again do your research my friend ;)

meancode

04-07-2006, 11:25 PM

You mean a technically superior console to anything preceeding it as well as the first batch of machines to come after it's release with a superb online service, superb controller, and dozens upon dozens of top notch exclusive titles that warrant the purchase of the machine immediately and with graphics that blow away the upcoming Playstation console ?

I'd agree with that.

That, sir, deserves a round of applause.

And neonesmaster, it sounds like you are not used to dealing with customer service when a new <insert name of gadget> ships. Anything as complex as the 360 is going to have issues. People are going to return them. Microsoft has been very good about fixing issues. I have heard from a number of people who had great service sending their defective 360 in, and getting it back, fixed, in a very short amount of time. Even people on DP have expressed how well their 360 hardware issues were delt with.

I have not experienced any problems, and I have mine on every day. I have played... checks xbox.com... 39 Xbox 360 games and have yet to get flashing red lights *knocks on wood*

I know of no one personally who has seen major errors with their 360. I had some strange disc read errors on the first day of play, and in the first couple weeks. But I have not seen that error since January. I attribute that to "burn in" of the new hardware.

Customers often times bring a unit back in for the most frivolous things. But they don't know any better.

By "none of the games have reply" I can only assume you mean replay, as in replay value. You sure missed your mark there. Possibly due to not even trying the console out first?

I could give you a myriad of examples, but I don't have time. How about Dead or Alive 4, or Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, or Perfect Dark Zero.

We will have to wait until the PS3 is out of course, but I have a hunch they are not going to nock the wind out of the Xbox 360 steam engine.

Oh and comparing the Xbox 360 to the Dreamcast? There is only one true similarity, regardless of what 1UP might have told you: Peter Moore. The Dreamcast died for different reasons not seen today with the Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo world. Things were a lot different when it was Sony/Sega/Nintendo. Sorry, I ain't buying that one.

neonesmaster

04-08-2006, 02:09 PM

well, it appears that everyone makes some liable excuses to why their system is the best and thank you all that have posted replies as to my statement of the 360 being the same as the dreamcast.

my reply to the dreamcast bashing i have recieved....

the dreamcast only had a couple good games. not even worth collecting but if you want to collect the dreamcast go for th eboxed games first such as seaman and the others.

second off, like the other guy stated when they got to play soul calibur it was awesome...when they got to play sonic....it was awesome. then they went out of business and no more awesome games to look for.

yes i agree that was the glorly of the dreamcast, but look at the 360. i get my hard core customers that want the next big game. then i throw in there oblivion and they cried about it since launch, how about the next big game. it is like i said the game HAVE NO REPLAY!

i live on my own by my self and only plays games with other people on occassion and i dont ever get asked to break out the 360. everyone of my friends wanted to see it because they couldnt buy one but then whn they did.... heavy scrutinization let me tell you.

LOOK AT TOP SPIN TENNIS... whats with that game. brand new game just a week or two ago and the graphics?

the background looks good, but what about the players and the people. are they even suppose to be on there. what is with the white outlines on the poeples figures?

im sure that there is someone out there with a viable excuse for the major fopa, but im sure it sounds something like this.....

its a new system!

i know its a new system and ive dealt with customers quite frequently to understand what i am dealing with. thank you for the management skills bashing though.

i deserved it.

but either way, what about the crappy shadows and the cool white outlines? and the call of duty 2 now blowing anything up when you have an automatic assault rifle and you try to shoot up the wall. just cool blac spots, nothing real.

and the back ground in that games awesome, but hey microsoft,,,,,,,,,,get some programmers!

ive seen better graphics back in the day with donkey kong country or final fantasy 3.... the characters actually looked like they were part of the games. now we are back to the dvd backgrounds and a single moving object in the forground?

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THOSE LITTLE MICROVISIONS??

good luck

njiska

04-08-2006, 02:28 PM

but either way, what about the crappy shadows and the cool white outlines? and the call of duty 2 now blowing anything up when you have an automatic assault rifle and you try to shoot up the wall. just cool blac spots, nothing real.

and the back ground in that games awesome, but hey microsoft,,,,,,,,,,get some programmers!

ive seen better graphics back in the day with donkey kong country or final fantasy 3.... the characters actually looked like they were part of the games. now we are back to the dvd backgrounds and a single moving object in the forground?

Whoa dude be reasonable. You're expectations are insane.

Decaling bullet holes is almost as old as 3d and expecting a first generation port of a PC game to have that level of detail is insane.

As you the white outlines, i have no idea what you are talking about. I've never experienced that in any 360 game and the only case of 2d background i've experienced is in FIght Night Round 3 and that's just the back, background and it produces a nice effect.

If you wanna discuss graphics look no further the MGS's own PGR3. Everything about that game screams next gen. The Car models, light and world are all incredible.

That, sir, deserves a round of applause.

here, here.

A bunch of Ken speak about the Dreamcast

Actually it does have more in common then just Peter Moore, like the pretty white case. :P

Gamereviewgod

04-08-2006, 03:10 PM

the dreamcast only had a couple good games. not even worth collecting but if you want to collect the dreamcast go for th eboxed games first such as seaman and the others.

Right... only a few good games. What did the collectibility have to do with this thread?

second off, like the other guy stated when they got to play soul calibur it was awesome...when they got to play sonic....it was awesome. then they went out of business and no more awesome games to look for.

Do you read what you're typing? You're not making any sense. I was playing my DC all the way to the end and then some. Hell, I still played it more than my PS2 for at least a year after it was dead, and it's still in usual rotation.

yes i agree that was the glorly of the dreamcast, but look at the 360. i get my hard core customers that want the next big game. then i throw in there oblivion and they cried about it since launch, how about the next big game. it is like i said the game HAVE NO REPLAY!

Meancode up there has put over 170 hours into Oblivion. Hell, I've put almost that much into Zuma alone, and that's a lowly arcade game. Ghost Recon I've played through twice with a lot of multi-player left, ran through Kameo in co-op twice this week with different people, and I have plenty of Ridge Racer to go. YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ANY OF THESE GAMES, and it's obvious.

LOOK AT TOP SPIN TENNIS... whats with that game. brand new game just a week or two ago and the graphics?

the background looks good, but what about the players and the people. are they even suppose to be on there. what is with the white outlines on the poeples figures?

Show me one screen shot with a white line around the characters. You show me that, I'll give you 5,000 meseta. Otherwise, turn down your sharpness on your TV.

im sure that there is someone out there with a viable excuse for the major fopa, but im sure it sounds something like this.....

You mean that you need to play the system before making judgement?

but either way, what about the crappy shadows and the cool white outlines? and the call of duty 2 now blowing anything up when you have an automatic assault rifle and you try to shoot up the wall. just cool blac spots, nothing real.

and the back ground in that games awesome, but hey microsoft,,,,,,,,,,get some programmers!

And you expect what from the PS3? If you think you're going to get something better, you'll be even more dissapointed. The game looks incredible, and you're bitching about some bullet holes? Huh?

These are the worst types of fanboy rants, without any basis in logic, fact, or sense.

jdc

04-08-2006, 06:56 PM

I'm only just now seeing an example of every title showing up used at our local shop. These games are damned expensive, so I think that people are simply being economical by trading in the games that they are finished with in order to ease the cost of new titles.

I was only just talking to someone today about my 360 ownership....and I said to him that it's fairly rare for me to own a brand new system for nearly two months and ONLY own five games for it. I usually would own at least double that library. Truth is, this time around I'm strangely (and out of character for me) not motivated to blindly pay those premium prices for every 360 game that we have seen thus far. I'm ALSO not motivated to pay the ridiculously premium USED prices of the traded in software either. Saving a lousy ten to fifteen dollars off of the new price is bullshit, but that's what happens when you give people too high a trade-in value. You can pay more for used 360 stuff than what new costs on the other systems. I have Oblivion and four other titles that will more than keep me satisfied for now....not to mention enjoying my other "older but still great" consoles. I've made a vow to be far more selective as to what I purchase for this machine until we see the prices of 360 software drop in general.

Howie6925

04-08-2006, 10:24 PM

After reading this topic I dont think I will be getting an xbox360, for a very long time(or at all). Which kind of sucks because I want to play Oblivion. :(

kainemaxwell

04-08-2006, 11:23 PM

Kid came into work today wanting to replace his busted 360 he got on launch day. Unfortunetly, it was past our own 30 day return policy so we couldn't do anything about it (we also had none in stock again). Told us he tried returning it to MS a couple times to be fixed and was met with resistance. Kid left upset.

Half hour later the father comes in to talk to our boss about it and told him the same thing. He had tried sending it back to MS twice in one of their boxes they send but it ended up being the wrong size both times and couldn't send it. We couldn't replace or take it since it was past our own 30 day policy.

neonesmaster

04-09-2006, 07:19 PM

We couldn't replace or take it since it was past our own 30 day policy.

sums it all up.!!!!!!!!!

how many kids do we have to turn away and how many parents do we have to remind that we offered an extended warranty on these systems and they turned them down. how many times?

either way if you are having an issue with your 360 and want to be heard......this is the POST!

start now or forever hold your peace.
anyone and everyone in this thread shall be heard and i will see to it.

if you have a 360 and you have been turned away by microsoft, please let me know.... just post a screen name and your prob.

if you have a 360 and have had EXCELLENT results, post that here as well.

i need to get this in the hands of microsoft and let them know that there is a way to improve thier customer satisfaction.

if youve got a voice...you need to be heard.!!!!!

peace to all the die hard xbox fans....
peace to all the harcore sony fans....
peace to all the next gen revolution gamers.....

this forum is about the love of games and the crap we are putting up with for being some of the first to buy a 360....

thanks

p.s. if youre looking for a 360 and cant find one cause your local eb or gamestop is sold out....just pm me.

ive go thtem in stock and i have had them in stock since february.

two here two there

6 here....10 the next week

they come and they go.

not all are defective and you are not guaranteed to have a problem with em, but if oyu do just post your issues here!

Yago

04-11-2006, 08:52 AM

and the back ground in that games awesome, but hey microsoft,,,,,,,,,,get some programmers!

Umm, those black bullet holes on the walls you see are graphics. Graphics are made by graphic artists. The programmer just calculates where on the screen the graphics go, dumb ass. Instead of worrying yourself over petty non-sense, you should be more worried about your spelling and grammar, or lack of...

neonesmaster

04-11-2006, 11:48 AM

i dont care about grammer. i dont care about my spelling. if you wanna type for me feel free but you dont have to swear about it.

either way

any rumble roses fans out there.

im playin my 360 on a samsung hd flat screen lcd tv and im ticked that my girls on rumble roses gotta have lines outlining them.

sure their bods look good but what about the hair?

seriously. microsoft tell your programmers to make the "graphics" of the characters in their games without outlines.

im ticked

Gamereviewgod

04-11-2006, 11:55 AM

any rumble roses fans out there.

im playin my 360 on a samsung hd flat screen lcd tv and im ticked that my girls on rumble roses gotta have lines outlining them.

sure their bods look good but what about the hair?

seriously. microsoft tell your programmers to make the "graphics" of the characters in their games without outlines.

im ticked

Again... there ARE NO WHITE OUTLINES. Show me screen shots of them with white outlines and 5,000 meseta is yours. There are none. It has nothing to do with programmers.

It's not the console. Turn down your sharpness and adjust the rest of your settings. It's your TV or your connection to it. White outlines can be caused by a lot of things. It's not the hardware, it's the quality of the display.

Microsoft didn't program Rumble Roses either. You're dying for any excuse to hate the 360 at this point.

Daria

04-11-2006, 12:32 PM

It must be hard to play Rumble Roses with an empty box.

blissfulnoise

04-11-2006, 12:49 PM

All it takes is a little imagination!

http://www.blissfulnoise.com/images/transmogrifier360.gif

sorry, couldn't resist!

My 360 has locked up about 9 times during my 60 hour play time in Oblivion. No issues in any other titles, so I'm writing it off as one of the numerous reported side effects of such a massive game.

As far as the rest of the 360 library goes, I'd be on of the first to stand up and say, outside of Oblivion (which is available on the PC), there really isn't any compelling reason to pick one up right now.

Obviously the graphics are superior on the 360 than anything else available in the console arena, but there's nothing there that most mid-high end PC owners haven't seen already.

But, Microsoft is laying the ground work of a superior platform to support superior forthcoming titles (Too Human, Mass Effect, 99 Nights, Dragon Blue, Halo 3, among many others) with Xbox Live Gold and with committed support to High Definition entertainment.

At the risk of pounding common sense into the ground, it bears repeating: any discussion on the Revolution or PS3 stacked against the Xbox 360 is a waste of everyone�s time at this point. Until you have a finished product in your hand this fall, we don't know what they'll be offering.

We don't know what their online strategy will be like, we don't know what the games will really look like. It's all speculation. So to dismiss the X360 is incredibly naive at this point. But I'll go ahead and speculate that Xbox Live will continue to be the predominant way to enjoy Next Gen titles online through the rest of this generation and that's enough to keep it in my main entertainment center for quite some time.

kainemaxwell

04-11-2006, 11:21 PM

Yeah, apperently the kid's father kept saying the games only played in b&w and anything he tried to fix it didn't work too. x_x

The Shawn

04-12-2006, 07:58 AM

Well I hope to frig the ones there making now don't screw up. Cause in a couple of weeks I'm getting the 360 for my b-day and if the wife shells out 400 beans for it and it goes "poof" i'm going to be pissed.

meancode

04-12-2006, 09:18 PM

After reading this topic I dont think I will be getting an xbox360, for a very long time(or at all). Which kind of sucks because I want to play Oblivion. :(

Wow, your loss. That leaves one more on the shelf for someone who truly wants one. Good for them.

Anyways, I am back to playing Oblivion, which I have only 140 hours in thank you Gamereviewgod. Not to mention GRAW, and this devilishly addicting XBLA game Astro Pop.

Have you even played it at the kiosks?

meancode

04-12-2006, 09:22 PM

i dont care about grammer. i dont care about my spelling. if you wanna type for me feel free but you dont have to swear about it.

Something tells me you probably spelled grammar wrong on accident too.

njiska

04-12-2006, 09:28 PM

After reading this topic I dont think I will be getting an xbox360, for a very long time(or at all). Which kind of sucks because I want to play Oblivion. :(

See this is what happens when things get blown out of proportion. According to all available data the defect rate on the 360 is lower then the DRE rate of the PS2.

All new hardware can have issues, but it's only a small portion of people that are affected by them and they're also the loudest part.

People with bad ones will bitch, but people with good 360s are relatively quite.

meancode

04-12-2006, 09:35 PM

bullet holes in video games have been, since the beginning of time, decals. at least they are decals if you talk to a skinner. they are just a skin that is plastered everywhere. just like a sticker slap in tony hawk. it is a decal.

I would be willing to bet the PS3, and PS4 use the same decal technique. there is absolutely no point in applying anything, like normal mapping for example, to these decals. and there never will be.

what on earth would the use of GeoMod do for bullet holes in a video game? there are far more important things to use the processing power for.

njiska

04-12-2006, 09:45 PM

Howie6925

04-14-2006, 09:03 AM

After reading this topic I dont think I will be getting an xbox360, for a very long time(or at all). Which kind of sucks because I want to play Oblivion. :(

Well I lied I picked up an xbox360 the other day(i was not going to get one but my wife wanted one), pick up oblivion with it man that game rocks.

meancode

04-14-2006, 11:46 AM

wife wanted one? good excuse. he he he.

neonesmaster

04-14-2006, 12:47 PM

so everyone in this digitpress thread think xbox 360 is the stuff?

xbox 360 is the stuff

Its the stuff people wanna try not to simulate!

when you have something that really kicks butt, everyone is out there to copy it. when you get something so cool, people are going to simulate it and make it into something with less imperfections and make it have a lower price.

less imperfections and the lower price will make more people want it.

SO WHY ISNT SONY OR NINTENDO OUT THERE TYRING TO MIMIC WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE 360?

all you spec people out there....riddle me this?

my new xbox can play dvd's without a dvd remote, my new 360 can stay on stand by and keep itself warm while im not there to molest it. my new xbox even has the capability of going online and playing my old xbox games so they dont get lonely.....

what does that sound like?

well the answer to your riddle folks would be a ps2!

what were they thinking. oh yeah, lets go back up top of this thread and look

when you have something that really kicks butt, everyone is out there to copy it.

EVERY SYSTEM IS GOING TO HAVE DEFECTIVE ONES AND THATS APPARENT TO EVERYONE IN THIS TOPIS DISCUSSION so why not just agree that microsoft has taken what sony did and they did it so well mind you, that they want to make their system just liek the ps2 and make it without so many imperfections and then add some to it to make it look better than the ps2. the japanese could have done that, but i dont see sony or nintendo trying to mimic what the hell is going on over at MIcrosoft.

ANYONE HERE STUDY BUSINESS?

look up a guy named DRUCKER 2 meseta to anyone who can tell me what he was known for and ill even send you a nice cookie in the mail if you would like.

either way, microsoft took somehting that was great, they changed it around to make it better, but bent themselves over when the customers realized that all of the system is a fluke. lets go buy a new computer to play our old games and then charge them. xbox live subscriptions on top of my monthly internet bill? who would have thought so many kids would be out there to get their parents to pay the fees?

"WHERE ARE THE MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS OUT THERE?"

did microsoft send you a letter to remind you that almost everyone of the people that have purchased major league 2k6 are having thier xbox freeze up on them.

i think the fact of the matter is official, its been 6 months. sure we wanted to be the first to play KICK ASS games, but when is it gonna end. a brand new game, freezes my xbox, its almost to the point where i dont even think microsoft has a clue as to how to fix their systems. you send them your busted stuff( which is an awesome cd by Dave Matthews Band) and they change the insides and send a new one back to you? why?

microsoft should just stop while they think they are ahead before the real players step up and regain their respect as being NUMBER 1 in the game industry. will it be nintendo?

or will it be sony?

i dont know and frankly i dont really care.... i just wanna see that they do come out, microsoft will try to mimic their technology and the xbox 720 will be on its way before you know it.

6 MONTHS GUyS

some on.

i think MICROSOFT MIGHT HAVE SOME SAND IN THEIR.......

they need to find some water and hire some japanese game makers to help them keep thier empire afloat.

blissfulnoise

04-14-2006, 01:17 PM

Last time I checked, Sony and Nintendo haven't offered a unified service to play online, much less anything on par with XBox Live.

And Mimicing previous generation hardware? If anything, from a hardware standpoint, the Xbox 360 is a specialized PC. Or does the fact that the Xbox 360 plays DVD-ROMs count as mimicry? Is the Playstation "just liek" the Sega CD?

Besides all this, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. On one hand you say things like:

EVERY SYSTEM IS GOING TO HAVE DEFECTIVE ONES AND THATS APPARENT TO EVERYONE IN THIS TOPIS DISCUSSION

And then bash Microsoft for having defective consoles.

either way, microsoft took somehting that was great, they changed it around to make it better, but bent themselves over when the customers realized that all of the system is a fluke.

What the hell does that even mean? Microsoft took, assumedly, the PS2 and changed it to make it better but it's only a fluke so don't buy the next Xbox iteration? What is it you're trying to say?

SO WHY ISNT SONY OR NINTENDO OUT THERE TYRING TO MIMIC WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE 360?

See: Unified Online Play Services
See: Linux on PS3
See: Downloadable Content
See: Built in hard drive
See: Support for High Definition televisions
See: Pack-In Wireless Controllers

Finally, where the hell did you take those quotes from? They're sure not in the thread.

Get your thoughts together and post a cohesive, concise rebuttal (I'd settle on readable though) and we, collectively can have a discussion.

GrayFox

04-14-2006, 01:37 PM

This thread is absolutely hilarious.

This neonesmaster just skips on into our forums and makes an absurd thread, and then continues to make false claims about 360-related things.

I say we just leave this guy in this thread and let him talk with himself. I mean, this thread started as a complaint against the 360-Defective issues, and now he's said that every system is going to have defective ones? Let him argue with himself I say.

And usually I don't rip on people's grammar/spelling, but seriously dude, enroll in an English course or two.

blissfulnoise

04-14-2006, 02:00 PM

But I think under his totally random, visually offensive posts that barely form the outlines of thoughts, he's got a point.

There have been a larger than reported number of X360 malfunctions and issues. Not to mention legitimate issues with College Hoops and Major League Baseball. Do we, as the gaming community, hold Microsoft to task for this or do we just say, "oh well, first generation stutters happen to everyone".

As an Xbox360 owner, I certainly enjoy my console, and outside of Oblivion I've had zero issues. But what if my console broke on day one and it took Microsoft a month to send me a replacement? Would I feel the same way today?

I know Microsoft did send out first party titles to owners of broken systems that had to wait excessively long periods of time to get replacements. And things like that go a long way. Sony said T.S. when I called them about dead pixels on my PSP. Does that make Microsoft better than Sony? Dunno. Very few people had anything significantly wrong with their PSP, so it may be a different scenario all-together.

Anyway, carry on.

neonesmaster

04-14-2006, 02:03 PM

thank you for the comments as to my typing. if i really cared about typing and making sure that every post i posted on "your" and how do you get the nerve to just say this is your thread board room to begin with?

either way, you missed the point. not every xbox is going to be defective, but my suggestion to microsoft is that by time the next gen systems actually come out, the 360 will still be trying to correct something they cant fix to begin with. thank you for your input.

if you try to make something and find that it has mistakes and then you try to correct them, you are only covering for something else to happen.

too deep for you?

take a piece of paper and throw it in the trash can from afar. seeing that you miss try again. if you made it throw another one. if you missed? why did you miss? maybe the can was too far to the left. maybe your throwing too hard. throw again but this time adjust the can distance or adjust your trhow.

you have an unlimited possibility of throwing and can positioning so you will be fixing something each and everytime you throw to even try and make two or three in a row.

imagine yourself being microsoft and trying to fix a problem they do not know how to fix. yes the problem is apparent, but where is the technique to fixing it?

it is apparent that typing issues dont matter

And usually I don't rip on people's grammar/spelling, but seriously dude, enroll in an English course or two.

so you what are you trying to say bliss?

Is the Playstation "just liek" the Sega CD?

this forum was meant to inform the people of serious xbox issues.........

nobody has any remarks to make about the major league 2k6 defects?

thanks

for realizing there is no reason behind the fact that the xbox 360 is still perfecting itself and its issues of deficiancy so they cant concentrate on fixing all the problems.....

playstation must be the next sega cd by the way. its crap.... (yeah right)

i am a neutral party in all of the new systems. i could care less. this thread was to get peoples opinions on the xbox and if they were having problems i would like to forward it to the manufacturer.

the 360 is a great system....i mean pc.. like bliss said its a dvd rom drive....lets update our already new system to make the play better?

GarrettCRW

04-14-2006, 02:21 PM

Note to neonesmaster: thank you for being the exception to evolution. LOL

More seriously, the only real issue I've heard with the 360 is that some moron stole one of the controllers to the display unit at work.....by cutting the cord! (Amazing how Target uses the corded 360 controllers for the display units.)

meancode

04-14-2006, 02:43 PM

I'd settle on readable too, wow.

I can't wait until the PS3 ships here in the US and we get to see threads on here bitching about PS3 returns.

blissfulnoise

04-14-2006, 02:53 PM

You didn't address a single thing I brought up. You're just trolling at this stage.

You're the one who made the statement that the Xbox 360 was a mimic of predecessors.

Why don't you expand on that?

Statements like...

if you try to make something and find that it has mistakes and then you try to correct them, you are only covering for something else to happen

Make no sense what-so-ever. So you're saying don't fix mistakes? Or are you saying that companies should only produce products with no perceivable mistakes?

While we're at it, why don't you try dropping the analogies as you obviously lack the mental acumen to properly employ them.

Take a chicken and hold it upside down, make sure the water doesn't touch the bacon and punch your mother in the face. Thus Xbox was hot and good but brightness might open the sandbox sideways. But we all know the cheese sandwich may be delicious based on the Space Shuttle not launching my pants alone!

Is the Playstation "just leik" the Sega CD?
so you what are you trying to say bliss?

Let me rephrase: your posts don't make any sense. Using your logic, the Playstation must be just like the Sega CD in the fact that they use the same media, thus it's a mimic. Do you want to revise what you were trying to say in the previous post? Am I misunderstanding you? Are you really a monkey tied to a desk, bored of trying to rewrite Hamlet, and are using this forum to vent?

the 360 is a great system....i mean pc.. like bliss said its a dvd rom drive....lets update our already new system to make the play better?

Is that even English? I recognize the words but I've got no fucking idea what they�re saying.

Protip #37: Question marks come at the end of questions. Understand?

I'd vote to ban you but you're not violating anything here other than 5000 years of linguistic progress and the process of rational thought. Is that enough?

I�m actually getting the impression this might be a forum regular screwing around. TheRedEye� is that you?

Gamereviewgod

04-14-2006, 05:29 PM

GrayFox

04-15-2006, 02:07 AM

nobody has any remarks to make about the major league 2k6 defects??

Yeah. They have nothing to do with the 360. 2Ks problem. You can't blame the hardware manufacturer when a developer lets a glitch through.

And seriously, do you not think the PSP still gets shipped with dead pixels? The DS? Of course they do. The hype has died down and the fanboys who claimed they had a console with a defect have moved on.

Maybe you should too.

Yeah, its all 2K's problem, and they've already admitted that and are trying to fix the problems. If you give them a call, there is a message that tells you there will be an update. I hear it everyday at work.

Also, the only reason I think that some people are acting like there is a significant amount of 360's defective is because the media has finally gotten a good grasp onto the video game industry, and like they do with everything else, they're blowing things out of proportion. Our store has seen hundreds of 360's go through, and maybe 3 or 4 have had problems, with 2 of those being shipping errors.

Is that just our store? Way possible. Is the 360 having a higher defective rate than other consoles? Possible as well. I have been luckly and have had no problems like others here, and subsequently that created a good launch/post launch for me.

neonesmaster

04-15-2006, 11:04 PM

thank you grayfox for your glowing review of the xbox 360 problems. you hit it on the head. your store has had few returns and unhappy customers where as other stores have had way more, its an area thing. geographic locations....

thus closing my discussion.

no ones comments needed.

thanks

njiska

04-15-2006, 11:18 PM

Gamereviewgod

04-16-2006, 02:10 AM

You really have to love how he has ignored every one of my comments proving him wrong. I'm still waiting for these mysterious "white lines" in Rumble Roses or Top Spin to show up.

Oh wait, they don't exist so he ignores me.

Odd, no?

GarrettCRW

04-16-2006, 02:41 AM

Does this guy remind anyone else ZMweasel?

No. Much as I disliked him, Meston was fairly articulate.

njiska

04-16-2006, 02:46 AM

Does this guy remind anyone else ZMweasel?

No. Much as I disliked him, Meston was fairly articulate.

Ha. True this guy is more of a PS2Hawk.

GrandAmChandler

04-16-2006, 03:10 AM

jdc

04-16-2006, 07:12 AM

I've found that running a wet system disc cleaner (DiscWasher brand) through the drive on a more than usual basis has really eliminated all of the gremlins that I used to experience with my 360.

The thing practically runs perfect now. LOL

nik

04-16-2006, 09:51 AM

I think because of the simple fact the internet is much larger and far more easy to reach now, people come online to complain, and it gets blown way out of line.

njiska

04-16-2006, 10:10 AM

I think because of the simple fact the internet is much larger and far more easy to reach now, people come online to complain, and it gets blown way out of line.

'Tis the nature of the beast I'm afraid. That's why somethings need to be ended before they run on too long.

neonesmaster

04-16-2006, 03:54 PM

All of you need to get back on topic OR ELSE. Stop criticizing the guy and start talking. Neonesmaster, I suggest elaborating on your thoughts some more, I am quite interested in this topic.

So to get back on topic of the 360 defects?
Gamereviewgod

You really have to love how he has ignored every one of my comments proving him wrong. I'm still waiting for these mysterious "white lines" in Rumble Roses or Top Spin to show up.

you wanted to see picks of the white lines that outline the characters on some of the 360 games.

well here is what you need to do.

1st off you need to stop standing in the unemployment line, go get a quarter to buy yourself a paper and then start looking for a job so that you can actually afford a 360 like the rest of us.

as is stated earlier on i am using a samsung flat panel hiigh definition tv to play my 360. i also have it hooked up using component cables. so there is no reason why any of the characters should be outlined in white or black or any other color.

if you have access to a screen such as this or have any knowlege of the white lines please back me up on this.

why would the white lines be there?

it is apparent that the 360 is the ultimate system ever created (other than the atari 2600), but fancy dvd backgrounds do not make me happy. as a hard core gamer and game collector such that i am, i want to see the characters that i am controlling look and feel more like they are actually in the game.

ok oblivion: looks awesome, feels great playing it, but you are just looking at stuff. wheres the character? well, your not gonna get that out of a third person game or a first person game for that matter.

rumble roses: ok im sure the guys in this thread really like the graphics...sure why not, but when im a chick and im wearing white boots? i do not need to have a black line outlining my boots. the programmers need to realize that the graphics look crappy. pick any character on the game. then watch their intro. during their intro note all of the outlining being done in anyone of the intros. sure if you wanna stare at their boobs and their butt they look great, but why is my character being outlined in every single game?
call of duty 2: cool game but this is my first big pepeev of the 360. i mentioned the graphics of the bullet holes. then i got thrown back well they are just blots of programming. why care about what the bullet holes look like. they took so much time to program in the zoom angle camera so i can get a close up of their butts so why cant they do somehting to fix the outlining?

take a moment and grab a controller and play the call of duty up til the part where you actually take control of your character. go over and hide in a corner. stop crying and shoot (or should i say poke) a hole in the wall. just a black spot?

now put down the 360 for a moment and jump back to the xbox and grab black. start the game and shoot open the door. shoot the wall while you are at it and look at the graphics of whats left.

now tell yourself why does the graphics of that gunshot look so much more detailed and clearer even better than the 360?

well, as many have said the 360 is a new system.... well the programmers are new.... well its not microsofts fault...well, the new graphics and the new programming makes the game look that way...

thats crap and everyone that has posted on this forum knows it.

the 360 can be so good but if this is all that the programmers are gonna give us then they need to stop and just let the other system programmers come back on the scene. when the xbox regular came out, everyone was excited about the graphics. the games were great and the play was awesome. alot of people loved the water. the xbox did with the water something that had never been seen before. compare a game for the xbox from launch that contains water and look at a game that comes out now for the xbox and look at the water. the water is the exact same...!!!!!!!!!!!!

now compare two ps2 games.....look at a launch game. the graphics are kinda crappy and all but then compare that game to the graphics the programmers are able to make when you are looking at resident evil 4. nothing alike, sony has taken the graphics and made them expandable. they can take their code and work their system to the fullest potential.....microsoft can not do that because they are used to programming for the pc. on the pc you need to update your system to get better graphics. the 360 had better not be running down that same broken road of unhappy graphics....sure tomb raider looks sweet and if lara croft wasnt just some programmed pixels, im sure alot of guys out there would like to smack her. either way. if thats all the xbox 360 has to offer then why bother making new games.......im gonna just send my xbox back to them and they can keep it for all the hassles they give me

the story continues......

and
Yeah. They have nothing to do with the 360. 2Ks problem. You can't blame the hardware manufacturer when a developer lets a glitch through.

2 k is taking the blaim?

did 2k call me and let me know that their software was gonna fudge up my system?

NO THEY DID NOT!!!!!!!

and its been 2 weeks....where is my system?

GrayFox

04-16-2006, 05:10 PM

2 k is taking the blaim?

did 2k call me and let me know that their software was gonna fudge up my system?

NO THEY DID NOT!!!!!!!

and its been 2 weeks....where is my system?

2K has already admitted that some of their games, like Major League Baseball 2k6, have problems and need patching. They're working on a solution, to the problem that their games caused in Microsoft's Xbox 360.

GarrettCRW

04-16-2006, 05:17 PM

Dude, all you're doing at this point is screaming incoherently about defects (imagined or otherwise) in the GAMES. The system has nothing to do with buggy-ass software (which ultimately should work against the developers and not Microsoft).

You need to calm down, start using those fancy grammar rules from English class, and start showing some proof.

neonesmaster

04-16-2006, 05:57 PM

GarrettCRW

04-16-2006, 06:24 PM

but until then and microsoft fixes all of the bugs......let the games carry on.

These aren't games made by Microsoft. We've told you this multiple times.

njiska

04-16-2006, 07:18 PM

this post isnt to rip on microsft. i started this thread to see who has had problems and what we can do about it. im sick of returns and unhappy customers. obviously if there are unhappy customeres in my part of the world then there must be unhappy customers in hell as well where some of you must be from. so just post your probs and we will be done with.
now as new software does come out every week im sure there will be need for further discussion.

so all of you hatemongers SHUT UP and let the people speak.

if no one has problems with their xbox 360's anymore then this thread can be closed, but until then and microsoft fixes all of the bugs......let the games carry on.

Listen to what you're saying. YOu're the one who started whinning about the imaginary white lines, you're the one blaming microsoft instead of the game developers, you're the one failing to listen to reason and you're the one who's ignorance is pissing everyone off.

You refer to us as hate mongers but all we're doing is trying to point out the flaws in your complaint. All you're doing is repeating the same fucking line over and over again and insulting some fine members of DP, including Gamereviewgod who aside from being a reviewer for blogcritics, is also in charge of the review section here on DP.

If anyone is qualified to rebuff your claims about the imaginary white lines it's him because he's damn well played it enough to know.

Don't post asking for opinions unless you're willing to listen to them. And don't say we're just being blind fools ignoring your opinion because we're not.

We're offering insight and answers. You're a broken record.

You can't expect us to step down from our opinions if you are going to defend your is such a poor fashion. If you honestly beleive there are white lines then post a screen shot highlighting them. Show us some proof and you may have something, otherwise all you're doing is just fanning the fires of ignorance and that doesn't help anyone here.

The only way to stop us from criticizing your absurd stance that it's all MS's fault and that there are white lines is for you to either prove it, which is impossible, or concede like a man, admit you were wrong and offer the olive branch of peace.

Yago

04-16-2006, 11:06 PM

As far as complaints about Top Spin, THIS is how you complain about a game. Note the proper use of grammar and spelling. I tend to take the author more seriously when they pay attention to detail. I am not perfect, but I try my best.

http://www.rewiredmind.com/review/topspin2

As far as white and black outlines, look at the screen shots. The white outlines are lighting effects. The black outlines are used to define shadow. Note how they are not over exaggerated and remain minimal at most. I seriously think these outlines you are seeing are the result of a poor display. As was suggested earlier, try adjusting your contrast as well as brightness levels. If ALL of your games do this, then common sense tells me, your display is funky. Again, for the hundredth time, this has nothing to do with "programmers." Can I ask you a serious question Neonesmaster? Do you sniff paint?

Gamereviewgod

04-17-2006, 12:45 AM

you wanted to see picks of the white lines that outline the characters on some of the 360 games.

well here is what you need to do...

Ok, so let me get this straight. You spent probably ten minutes typing about how I need to "get a job" because apparently something I said indicated that I didn't have one and that I need to get a 360, which also came from nowhere since I stated previously mine has worked fine.

Yet, in the time it took to write all of that, you could have found a screen shot to back up your claims. You didn't, because you have no proof.

I'm also running on a Samsung, though mine is a tube. Whether in 480p or 1080i, and having seen a buddies 360 running on a LCD in 720p, I can say that there are NO "white lines." Unless you can show us what you're trying to describe, there is no debate.

ok oblivion: looks awesome, feels great playing it, but you are just looking at stuff. wheres the character? well, your not gonna get that out of a third person game or a first person game for that matter.

Um, while I'm no Oblivion fan, the point is that YOU'RE the character, hence the deep customization.

['m not even getting into the Rumble Roses debate with these mysterious lines apparently the only flaw you can find.

take a moment and grab a controller and play the call of duty up til the part where you actually take control of your character. go over and hide in a corner. stop crying and shoot (or should i say poke) a hole in the wall. just a black spot?

Man, you know, Halo could have been a great game, but it has those damned bullet holes and things don't go "boom" like they do in Black. Project Snowblind could have been great too, but Red Faction on the PS2 blows up the environments, so why doesn't Snowblind? Must be a crappy game.

now tell yourself why does the graphics of that gunshot look so much more detailed and clearer even better than the 360?

A. Who cares if the explosions look better? The intensity of Call of Duty is impossible on the Xbox. When Black can put 40+ models on screen in detailed environments, get back to me.

B. Black was built around the destruction gimmick, and as such, sucked in every other category. Just because you can blow up a wall in Black with a handgun but can't in COD doesn't mean the 360 sucks. That's not an argument. It's a gameplay preference.

well, as many have said the 360 is a new system.... well the programmers are new.... well its not microsofts fault...well, the new graphics and the new programming makes the game look that way...

thats crap and everyone that has posted on this forum knows it.

Huh? The MLB glitches are not MS fault. I've sold at least 15 systems at my store. Not a single one has come back. None. My buddy is a manager at EB. He's sold about a 100 of them. Two have come back since launch, a fine ratio of defects vs. non.

the 360 can be so good but if this is all that the programmers are gonna give us then they need to stop and just let the other system programmers come back on the scene.

I don't even know what you're talking about here.

. compare a game for the xbox from launch that contains water and look at a game that comes out now for the xbox and look at the water. the water is the exact same...!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beyond the fact that you're basing your entire opinion on a game console solely on water, I have two words for you:

Far Cry.

...microsoft can not do that because they are used to programming for the pc. on the pc you need to update your system to get better graphics. the 360 had better not be running down that same broken road of unhappy graphics...

So you really have no complaints with the system other than the graphics? That's all you can seem to find to complain about. What about the Live Arcade? Chat features? New content? Nothing on any of that, because if you bring that up, you can't complain about graphics, and that's all you seem to be doing.

2 k is taking the blaim?

did 2k call me and let me know that their software was gonna fudge up my system?

NO THEY DID NOT!!!!!!!

and its been 2 weeks....where is my system?

Yes, 2K is taking the blame. This isn't the first time a glitch has caused system issues. However, you're taking it against the hardware company.

Look, we've tried to be civil, and I think we've done pretty good given how utterly inane your posts have been. We've asked for proof, logic, or just a little common sense. You've failed to provide anything of the sort because you're stuck on bullet holes in Call of Duty, which is apparently the reason why the 360 is stupid to you. If that's the case, find a new hobby.

If a lot of systems are coming back into your store, which I thin most of us have freely admitted is possible, it's a fluke. I'd be willing to bet a lot of people have read threads on message boards and return their systems because it got warm. I even wrote up a little theory about how all of this happens:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/11/29/005555.php

When a system is new, people bash it for any reason they can, and defective consoles is easy enough. That spreads like a plague quickly, and paranoid people, or those who don't treat their system properly, return them.

Again, to end this:

All we're asking for is proof. Any kind. Give us some facts, not baseless opinions that are barely coherent. I've asked for screen shots to back up your claims on "white lines" twice. Instead, you wrote another factless rant in an attempt to insult me because apparently, you can't find screen shots to back up your claims. Better yet, here, I'll help:

http://www.digitpress.com/reviews/topspin2_360.htm

Find me "white lines" on those screens I put up this morning. They are under some heavy .jpg compression, but they still show the details needed. If you want feel free to check around the web for video or more screens. Whatever it takes. All we're asking for is proof, and that's not asking a lot. You're dealing with some of the most intelligent gamers on the 'net. You'll need to do better than white lines and bullet holes.