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rbudrick

08-01-2006, 05:36 PM

Garry Silljo

08-01-2006, 06:56 PM

slip81

08-01-2006, 09:27 PM

But is it all that much of a pain in the ass to drag out the Xbox and hook it up?

It is if you don't own an original Xbox.

I realize that I'll one day have to get an original Xbox to play some games, but all I'm saying is that it's a tad annoying when a company promises something and then doesn't deliver.

I doubt anyone here (myself included) purchased a 360 to play original Xbox games, that's not te point. The point is is that BC was a nice feature that could be utilized to enhance the ejoyability you got out of the 360, because instead of it only being able to 360 games you could go out and get any game released on a MS system and play.

That's what was promised and so far that's not what has been delivered. For people like me (non original Xbox owners) 100% BC would have been a nice feature because it would have meant that I could enjoy any game with only one hardware purchase.

Why is it so hard for you to fathom that a person may enjoy being able to play an extensive library on one console over a limited selection?

ubersaurus

08-02-2006, 12:01 AM

I'd accept a partial BC over no BC. At least that lets me play SOME of the Xbox's library, assuming I didn't already own one. And yeah, good stuff like Outrun 2 and Orta are out in the cold(for the moment, at least) but other good stuff like Crimson Skies, Ninja Gaiden, the Halos, the KOTORs, the Splinter Cells, these are all BC. Being more popular titles, it makes sense that they'd be the ones that Microsoft would be more concerned about, rather than some niche ones.

Going all out BC from the get go would have been nice, but given the differences in internals between the two systems, it just isn't an option. I would like to see the list update more often than it does, but what the hell, every few months is decent enough.

unwinddesign

08-02-2006, 12:07 AM

Blah. MS did a shitty half-assed job with the BC of the 360. I don't give a crap what they promised or didn't promise. A company that big oughta be able to emulate their own damn system PERFECTLY. Not only did they not do that, but they did a completely half-assed "I don't give a shit" job at it. It's a terrible way to do business.

-Rob

The Xbox and Xbox 360's architectures are vastly different. Emulating the nVidia chip is a bitch, because there isn't a nVidia chip on board in the 360. It's ridiculous from a technical standpoint to expect that, regardless of what size a company is.

Why are you buying a next-gen system to play last-gen games?

Why do you think this is the reason people are buying the system? People have many reasons for buying systems. If they ONLY wanted to play old games your argument would make sense, but people want to play old and new games, and they want as little hardware laying around as possible to do it with. No one is buying a 360 exclusively for the old xbox games so your repeating this question on and on is just stupid. Shut up already.

Then why bitch about it, if it's only one part of buying the system? It seems to me if it's such a small part, and an "extra," (so to speak), then it shouldn't be a big deal. It seems that some people in this thread are acting as if it's a deciding factor. And I ask, why?

Oh, and very mature telling me to shut up, it seems that we must act like we're in 3rd grade when we don't have a real argument, yes?

You have to be kidding. It's convenient not to pull out the X-Brick, yes. But insanely difficult? Some people act as if it's equivalent to curing AIDS. If you have an Xbox, and it's stored away in the closet, it should take about 10 minutes MAX to pull it out and hook it up. Not a huge deal.

Hello? I didn't say it was difficult (or "insanely" difficult). I said it's an inconvenience, and a pain-in-the-ass to some folks, especially if there's games for both systems you currently want to play and you don't have the space to have both set up. I guess you would suggest to those people that they buy a bigger entertainment center and or an A/V switcher. But ya know, for $400, I say you shouldn't have to. The 360 should be fully compatible right outta the box.

For $400 a company should invest MILLIONS into emulating older games that many people will never play? That makes no business sense at all. They're already selling it at a loss. $400 is peanuts for what you're asking for. I mean shit, MS should have thrown in a PS3 too, for $400!

But is it all that much of a pain in the ass to drag out the Xbox and hook it up?

It is if you don't own an original Xbox.

I realize that I'll one day have to get an original Xbox to play some games, but all I'm saying is that it's a tad annoying when a company promises something and then doesn't deliver.

I doubt anyone here (myself included) purchased a 360 to play original Xbox games, that's not te point. The point is is that BC was a nice feature that could be utilized to enhance the ejoyability you got out of the 360, because instead of it only being able to 360 games you could go out and get any game released on a MS system and play.

That's what was promised and so far that's not what has been delivered. For people like me (non original Xbox owners) 100% BC would have been a nice feature because it would have meant that I could enjoy any game with only one hardware purchase.

Why is it so hard for you to fathom that a person may enjoy being able to play an extensive library on one console over a limited selection?

I don't own an original Xbox any more, either. That's not the point. If I wanted to play original Xbox games, I would go and grab an Xbox.

It's not hard to fathom that someone may enjoy playing an extensive back library. That's not what I'm questioning. I'm questioning everyone's bitching. MS didn't promise 100% BC. Why are people expecting it, then? I'd surely love to play both Kingdom Under Fire games, Doom 3 Ressurection and Conker: Live and Reloaded, but I'm not waxing on about how MS didn't do this. If I ever really get an urge to play one of them, I'll go grab them and an original Xbox. Right now, I'm happy with what I have. I play Halo 2 everyday, and I've played it more than any 360 game asides from Geometry Wars. And if it hadn't been 360 compatible? I would have bought a 360, and I would have snagged an original Xbox [again].

Anyone can say what they want, but when it comes down to it, this is the situation. MS promised "top selling" games, not all. They delivered most "top-selling" games. Does it leave a bit to be desired? Yes. Is it a disaster by any means? No. Is it worth MS' money to make all Xbox games compatible? No. Did they promise that? No. Is it ludicrous that some members here expect that? Yes.

I'm fully expecting more disagreement from others, and I welcome that, but it seems that many have pie in the sky type of aspirations that just aren't realistic -- and never were.

Nature Boy

08-02-2006, 08:53 AM

googlefest1

08-02-2006, 09:21 AM

MS said top selling games at e3 - but didn't they say the 360 would be totaly BC earlier? and then change it to top selling?

just a question - not trying to enter the argument

rbudrick

08-02-2006, 01:47 PM

[quote=rbudrick]Blah. MS did a shitty half-assed job with the BC of the 360. I don't give a crap what they promised or didn't promise. A company that big oughta be able to emulate their own damn system PERFECTLY. Not only did they not do that, but they did a completely half-assed "I don't give a shit" job at it. It's a terrible way to do business.

-Rob

The Xbox and Xbox 360's architectures are vastly different. Emulating the nVidia chip is a bitch, because there isn't a nVidia chip on board in the 360. It's ridiculous from a technical standpoint to expect that, regardless of what size a company is.

[/quote="unwinddesign"]

Wah. Boo hoo. My violins are playing for MS. Difficulty is NO excuse. Of course it's hard. Shit, what programming isn't? The point is, MS, has access to the sharpest minds in the world at this stuff, and the blew it ANYWAY. They half-assed it and didn't give a fuck, plain and simple. Difference in architecture is no excuse. If you think the size of the company doesn't matter in terms of what they can do, then we are on two different planets and this no point talking about this.

-Rob

unwinddesign

08-02-2006, 02:05 PM

If you buy a new system, then you buy it to play new games.

Wrong. Maybe that's true when *you* buy a system, but there is a whole world out there with people of different opinions. I see nothing wrong with buying a new system so that you can play new *and* old games (especially if you want to save a few bucks - used Xbox games can be had for a fraction of 360 games). Just because you can't see yourself doing that doesn't make it a invalid point of view.

Sure, it's a valid point of view. But be happy with what you have, and what's compatible.

Everytime I have the 360 conversation with people, the fact that it's *not* BC comes up. Why? Because everyone thinks it's fully BC, and when I tell them it's only a handful of games they get a little miffed. Would they ever use the functionality? Probably not. But the idea that MS has led them to believe something that simply isn't true is enough to make them rethink a purchase. And I can guarantee you none of them are aware of MS's exact wordings at some conference they've barely heard of a few years back. Believe it or not, the majority of people don't follow the industry as closely as those of us here.

I'm sorry, but NO ONE I've spoken to has ever throught the 360 was fully backwards compatible. It's not MS' fault that people think the 360 is fully compatible with all Xbox games. If you're going to drop $400 on a game system, you owe it to yourself to find out a little bit about it. NOTHING Microsoft has said has alluded to the fact that they have their system at 100% compatiblity. For people to assume that is lazy and irresponsible.

Blah. MS did a shitty half-assed job with the BC of the 360. I don't give a crap what they promised or didn't promise. A company that big oughta be able to emulate their own damn system PERFECTLY. Not only did they not do that, but they did a completely half-assed "I don't give a shit" job at it. It's a terrible way to do business.

-Rob

The Xbox and Xbox 360's architectures are vastly different. Emulating the nVidia chip is a bitch, because there isn't a nVidia chip on board in the 360. It's ridiculous from a technical standpoint to expect that, regardless of what size a company is.

Wah. Boo hoo. My violins are playing for MS. Difficulty is NO excuse. Of course it's hard. Shit, what programming isn't? The point is, MS, has access to the sharpest minds in the world at this stuff, and the blew it ANYWAY. They half-assed it and didn't give a fuck, plain and simple. Difference in architecture is no excuse. If you think the size of the company doesn't matter in terms of what they can do, then we are on two different planets and this no point talking about this.

-Rob

Difficulty is no excuse? Say what? Just because MS has some of the "sharpest minds in the world" and is "huge" doesn't mean they're miracle workers. It's debatable as to whether or not, with the proper amount of time invested, the whole Xbox library could be emulated perfectly. In all likelihood, it couldn't. Hell, Sony's PS1 library didn't fully work on the PS2, and it included the PS1's guts on board. It was damn close, but not perfect.

The cost vs. return ratio for Microsoft just isn't worth it in this situation. That's what it comes down to. I'm sure people here would be bitching if MS came out and said the system was $500 because they had to sink a bunch of money into emulation. Not only that, but let's say MS did sink $100 million into emulating all the games. Would they all work perfectly? Doubtfully. Would they all even work? I highly doubt it. Sometimes things just aren't doable.

This is like a no-win situation with you guys and Microsoft. Microsoft did what they said they would do, and you're expecting more. That's preposterous, and you know that you have little argument against what they're doing. I can see that you're frustrated about it not being 100% backwards compatible, but the fact is, MS never said it would be 100% BC. There's a decent amount of Xbox 1 games playable on the 360; if the ones YOU want to play aren't there, buy an Xbox. It's really that simple. Don't bitch about things that MS never promised, don't complain about features that you believe MS "alluded" to -- it's crap. Plain and simple, it's just bull-friggin'-crap.

Nature Boy

08-02-2006, 03:58 PM

Garry Silljo

08-02-2006, 05:40 PM

Why are you buying a next-gen system to play last-gen games?

Why do you think this is the reason people are buying the system? People have many reasons for buying systems. If they ONLY wanted to play old games your argument would make sense, but people want to play old and new games, and they want as little hardware laying around as possible to do it with. No one is buying a 360 exclusively for the old xbox games so your repeating this question on and on is just stupid. Shut up already.

Then why bitch about it, if it's only one part of buying the system? It seems to me if it's such a small part, and an "extra," (so to speak), then it shouldn't be a big deal. It seems that some people in this thread are acting as if it's a deciding factor. And I ask, why?

Oh, and very mature telling me to shut up, it seems that we must act like we're in 3rd grade when we don't have a real argument, yes?

Why bitch about it? If I am making or even just considering making a purchase, I can and should be able to bitch about any part of it I dont like regardless of size. If I have a problem with this feature, I should be permitted to say so with out you getting up in my ass about it because you don't get it or agree. You can call it immature, but I said shut up because I'm getting annoyed about you dismissing everyone elses opinions and situations simply because they don't agree with yours.

You don't care about the BC and other people do. The reasons are many, the needs and degrees are many as well. End of Story, your mind is set in stone and you arent chaning anyone elses, so shut up already. Or keep talking, I don't care anymore. You arent saying anything new and havent been for several posts now, so there's nothing left for me to say either.

ubersaurus

08-03-2006, 03:18 AM

If you have a PC, you can get an emulator for just about every system under the sun.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the XBOX and 360 all based on and/or designed around PC hardware? After all, this is MS we're talking about, which is why I'm having a hard time believing that making the 360 fully compatible would be such a monumental task for them.

I don't know what MS promised with the 360 as far as compatibility with the XBOX. Some people here say MS promised full compatibility; others say they didn't. I'd guess MS put out some press releases regarding this issue, so if anyone can dig some up, post 'em here.

My recollection is that Microsoft initially promised that they'd cover "the most popular xbox games" in their backwards compatibility.

This was later followed up with one of their guys saying that they hope to, over time, get the bulk of the Xbox's library backwards compatible. Their idea was releasing compatibility updates every couple of months.

unwinddesign

08-03-2006, 03:49 AM

Sure, it's a valid point of view. But be happy with what you have, and what's compatible.

No thanks. I'd rather tell the industry what I like, rather than let them dictate what I want.

I'm sorry, but NO ONE I've spoken to has ever throught the 360 was fully backwards compatible

No need to apologize, we've just obviously spoken to different people :)

I think that's a commendable stance, and I applaud you for it. I'm not going to knock that.

Why are you buying a next-gen system to play last-gen games?

Why do you think this is the reason people are buying the system? People have many reasons for buying systems. If they ONLY wanted to play old games your argument would make sense, but people want to play old and new games, and they want as little hardware laying around as possible to do it with. No one is buying a 360 exclusively for the old xbox games so your repeating this question on and on is just stupid. Shut up already.

Then why bitch about it, if it's only one part of buying the system? It seems to me if it's such a small part, and an "extra," (so to speak), then it shouldn't be a big deal. It seems that some people in this thread are acting as if it's a deciding factor. And I ask, why?

Oh, and very mature telling me to shut up, it seems that we must act like we're in 3rd grade when we don't have a real argument, yes?

Why bitch about it? If I am making or even just considering making a purchase, I can and should be able to bitch about any part of it I dont like regardless of size. If I have a problem with this feature, I should be permitted to say so with out you getting up in my ass about it because you don't get it or agree. You can call it immature, but I said shut up because I'm getting annoyed about you dismissing everyone elses opinions and situations simply because they don't agree with yours.

You don't care about the BC and other people do. The reasons are many, the needs and degrees are many as well. End of Story, your mind is set in stone and you arent chaning anyone elses, so shut up already. Or keep talking, I don't care anymore. You arent saying anything new and havent been for several posts now, so there's nothing left for me to say either.

I never said I don't care about BC. Is it a big deal to me? No. Is it nice to have? Yes. But why whine over milk that was never spilt?

I don't think there's much of an opinion to be had on certain facts here. I understand where some people are coming from -- and hey man, that's fine, even if I don't really buy that it's all that inconvenient et al. to hook up or track down an old Xbox -- but that doesn't change the situation. If you're expecting certain things out of an Xbox 360, and you're not seeing them, then don't buy one. That's not the point I'm debating at all. But I don't understand WHY people are expecting them and riding Microsoft's ass about it when MS never promised them shit. It doesn't make sense.

Telling me to shut up -- for a second time, no less -- is not adding anything to this discussion. I'm not being a dick, so I don't understand why you're trying to be one.

For stonic, here's what the original press release from E3 2K5 said:

Xbox 360 officially will be backward compatible with the prior system's top-selling games, said Microsoft's Vice President Peter Moore. Microsoft will pick and choose only the most popular Xbox titles from its huge backlist of games and will most likely use emulator software for those limited titles.

As we can all see, it's pretty clear that there would never be "100%" compatibility.

Here's the link to the page:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614498p1.html

I think I've said just about all I can say. If people are longing for 100% compatibility, it just ain't happenning, so I'd suggest you hang it up. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, but riding their ass all day long on the DP message boards isn't going to help the situation. At the end of the day, you have some decent titles you can play on your 360, and if there's something you just can't live without, well, figure out a way to play it. And if you don't like the inconvenience, then don't buy a 360 -- just don't complain about things that MS didn't promise.

rbudrick

08-03-2006, 04:28 PM

Difficulty is no excuse? Say what? Just because MS has some of the "sharpest minds in the world" and is "huge" doesn't mean they're miracle workers. It's debatable as to whether or not, with the proper amount of time invested, the whole Xbox library could be emulated perfectly. In all likelihood, it couldn't. Hell, Sony's PS1 library didn't fully work on the PS2, and it included the PS1's guts on board. It was damn close, but not perfect.

The cost vs. return ratio for Microsoft just isn't worth it in this situation. That's what it comes down to. I'm sure people here would be bitching if MS came out and said the system was $500 because they had to sink a bunch of money into emulation. Not only that, but let's say MS did sink $100 million into emulating all the games. Would they all work perfectly? Doubtfully. Would they all even work? I highly doubt it. Sometimes things just aren't doable.

This is like a no-win situation with you guys and Microsoft. Microsoft did what they said they would do, and you're expecting more. That's preposterous, and you know that you have little argument against what they're doing. I can see that you're frustrated about it not being 100% backwards compatible, but the fact is, MS never said it would be 100% BC. There's a decent amount of Xbox 1 games playable on the 360; if the ones YOU want to play aren't there, buy an Xbox. It's really that simple. Don't bitch about things that MS never promised, don't complain about features that you believe MS "alluded" to -- it's crap. Plain and simple, it's just bull-friggin'-crap.

I don't care if they didn't promise 100%. They didn't even do 50%. That's half-assed and unnaceptable. 90% is reasonable.

And $100 million? That's completely out of the blue. Tell me that it'll cost that much and it's not possible when in a few years time some homebrewer does it for free.

-Rob

slip81

09-01-2006, 11:27 AM

Well a new list has been released on gamespot, and there are a ton more BC games now:

New Games
Aggressive Inline
All-Star Baseball 2005
Aquaman: Battle of Atlantis
Burnout 3: Takedown
Catwoman
Counter-Strike
Dead to Rights
ESPN Major League Baseball
Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly Director's Cut
Freaky Flyers
Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon - Island Thunder
IndyCar Series 2005
The Legend of Spyro: A Beginning
Lego Star Wars II
Links 2004
Maximum Chase
MTX: Mototrax Featuring Travis Pastrana
MX vs. ATV Unleashed
Namco Museum 50th Anniversary Arcade Collection
Outlaw Tennis
Over the Hedge
Sid Meier's Pirates!
Richard Burns Rally
Rogue Trooper
Serious Sam
Shincho Mahjong
Smashing Drive
Spy Hunter: Nowhere to Run
The Suffering
Taz: Wanted
Torino 2006 Winter Olympics
Trigger Man
True Crime: Streets of LA
Vietcong: Purple Haze
Wrath Unleashed
X-Men II: Wolverine's Revenge

Updated Games
All-Star Baseball 2003
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
Crash Bandicoot: Nitro Kart
Digimon Rumble Arena 2
Ford vs. Chevy
Half-Life 2
The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
Kabuki Warrior
Magatama
Mortal Kombat: Deception
Sneakers

Not see even thoughthere are some good games on that list, i.e Pirates! and Fatal Frame 2, I think it also help to maybe prove that MS plans on making the whole library (or as much as possible) BC for one major reason. Moore said that the best selling Xbox games would be BC, now if you look at that list you'll realize that most of them are not best selling games.

So what MS is probably doing is releasing a few best sellers with every update, and then all the crap that's easy to code for. It seems then that eventually all the games will be BC, but it'll take a while, maybe over a year from now well see 90% or more of the library made compatable.

So that brings the total up to 267 BC games out of about 930, which is about 27% of the library. Now I don't know how many best selling greatest hits games there were on the Xbox, but they probably make up more than 27% of the systems total library.

So all the people who say that they've done what they said they were gonna do and it's enough, are wrong, because we're still not even close ot having all of the best selling Xbox games BC.

Use your head MS. If you want to make the best selling games BC, then fine do that, but please do that. Work on games like Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition or whatever and stop wasting time with shit like Catwoman and Aquaman and ESPN Major League Baseball. Who gives a shit about the original ESPN when 2k5 was worlds better, and probably sold more units due to it's low price.

slip81

09-01-2006, 11:28 AM

double post

heyricochet

09-01-2006, 02:17 PM

Use your head MS. If you want to make the best selling games BC, then fine do that, but please do that. Work on games like Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition or whatever and stop wasting time with shit like Catwoman and Aquaman and ESPN Major League Baseball. Who gives a shit about the original ESPN when 2k5 was worlds better, and probably sold more units due to it's low price.

These games aren't on the list because of the fact they worked directly on them, they're just a byproduct of getting other games to work.

s1lence

09-01-2006, 02:32 PM

Use your head MS. If you want to make the best selling games BC, then fine do that, but please do that. Work on games like Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition or whatever and stop wasting time with shit like Catwoman and Aquaman and ESPN Major League Baseball. Who gives a shit about the original ESPN when 2k5 was worlds better, and probably sold more units due to it's low price.

These games aren't on the list because of the fact they worked directly on them, they're just a byproduct of getting other games to work.

Exactly, the coding is probably simular.

Leo_A

09-01-2006, 11:24 PM

Why is Richard Burns Rally on there for? It finally got released in the US?

GM80

09-02-2006, 09:21 AM

Use your head MS. If you want to make the best selling games BC, then fine do that, but please do that. Work on games like Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition or whatever and stop wasting time with shit like Catwoman and Aquaman and ESPN Major League Baseball.

The crap games on that list are the result of their work on the more important titles. Would you rather they not make them available at all? For example, when they got Halo working (a given), Stubbs the Zombie was probably working nearly perfectly because it is based on the rather unique Halo engine. I would guess that the team had to tweak a couple dozen lines of code in the emulator to get that one to work once Halo was finished.

They could have just said "that's not a best-selling game, so we're not going to make it work." I, for one, am glad they don't just leave these similar games hanging.

Chalk me up as one person happy with the current state of backwards compatibility on the 360. SW: Battlefront II, Worms 4 Mayhem, Wrath Unleashed, Ninja Gaiden Black, Lego Star Wars and Fuzion Frenzy are many of the games from my library that my wife and/or I still enjoy playing until their next-gen sequels arrive.

Sure, I'd like it if more of my Sega games were on there, including NFL 2K5, ToeJam & Earl, Otogi 1 and 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta and Jet Set Radio Future, but I never expected they would be after MS' announcement of limited B.C. so I'm not disappointed.

slip81

09-02-2006, 09:52 AM

I'm not dissapointed either, and obviously I was wrong about the crap games, didn't know that the emulation worked like that. So you can understand my confusion and annoyment whenI thought MS was putting time into crap instead of quality titles.

I'm pretty happy with the BC list as is, I'm just hopping for a few more titles, mainly the 2k5 stuff and Brothers in Arms.

j_factor

09-02-2006, 10:15 PM

Backwards compatibility is a big selling point for me. If 360 was fully backwards compatible, I could sell my Xbox system to get one, thus reducing the net cost of getting a 360 by like 75 bucks. Since it's not fully backwards compatible, I can't do that if I want to continue to play Xbox games. So what that means is, for current Xbox owners, 360 requires a larger investment than it otherwise would. I don't know about you guys, but money is a factor to me.

Plus, the more I can condense multiple consoles into one, the better. When I got a Power Base Converter, I put my Master System away and haven't touched it since.

CYRiX

09-02-2006, 11:25 PM

i bet over time every game will be bc, minus 1 or 2 (like ps2).

jsiucho

09-03-2006, 09:53 AM

There's just not enough room or inputs on a TV. Right now, I've got a PS2, Neo-Geo, Gamecube and 360 hooked up across two TVs.

Dude get a better TV, I have a Laseractive(Sega/PC Pak), Saturn, Dreamcast(VGA),Neo Geo(component),DVD Player hooked up at all times, and got 3 more inputs left.

I do kinda agree with BC, I wish it was perfect. hopefully they keep it up until all games work.

JS

Flack

09-03-2006, 11:02 AM

Is backwards compatability that big a deal? It shouldn't be.
It must've been, since Microsoft advertised the 360 as backwards compatible. While I'm upset that not all games work, I'm MORE upset that this was used while marketing the 360, and now after people have spent their money Microsoft is giving us the ol' bait and switch. Basically it sets the precident that during a console launch it's okay to promise features that companies have no intention in delivering.

ubersaurus

09-03-2006, 01:44 PM

Princess-Isabela

09-05-2006, 03:56 AM

how they still havent made Conker and PDO 360 compatible?

swlovinist

09-05-2006, 09:37 AM

I think it is a sales thing more than anything now. MS knows that the graphic difference between the 360 and original is not that much. I bet that having full backwards complatability with would mean that many people would buy more used Xbox games and just play them on their 360. Used games=no profit for MS or more importantly, compainies who are making 360 games. Although their software lineup is getting better, the 360 better wake up and smell the coffee. Two major game systems are being released this holiday. Gears of War is going to be good, but it is no Halo killer like they are trying to advertise it as(totally different game by the way). Not having Halo 3 this Holiday is a big mistake.

Nature Boy

09-11-2006, 09:03 AM

II bet that having full backwards complatability with would mean that many people would buy more used Xbox games and just play them on their 360.

Not just used, but new Xbox games as well. After all, if you're staring at the shelf looking at new 360 games versus new Xbox games, isn't your wallet gonna tug you towards the latter?

But...they are delivering...

But... they made it sound like it was an out of the box (ala PS2's) thing. As opposed to a "when we get around to it" kinda thing. Definitely anger inducing...

ubersaurus

09-11-2006, 04:19 PM

how they still havent made Conker and PDO 360 compatible?

Because Conker and Orta weren't high sellers, so much as they were critically acclaimed flops. There's a vocal minority wanting to see them, but the bulk of people don't give a shit.

Secondly, they never made it sound like an out of box thing, so my guess is people just sort of read into it with their own hope that it would be. From the beginning they said "top sellers" which were out of the box compatible, before going into detail that they were planning to do regular updates to improve compatibility.

I don't have a 360 yet, and don't plan on getting one until the price drops, or Halo 3 comes out. My assumption is by then, nearly all the games I own will be backwards compatible, and the ones that aren't can just get played by having the old xbox pulled out of the closet. No great difficulty there. I'll probably just be spending all my time on halo games again, anyway.

And speaking of Halo 3 this holiday, I'm kind of glad it won't be out yet. I'd like to see a Halo game come out with a decent sized development cycle more than I want to be playing Halo 3 now :P I'm willing to bet Gears of War will be enough, coupled with the PS3's pricing, to keep the 360 solid for the holiday season.

RARusk

09-11-2006, 11:04 PM

There is a guy I know that works at a GameStop here in San Antonio (I've known him a long time - back when they were FuncoLand. NOT your typical salesdroid) and I got into a conversation with him concerning the backwards compatibility issue.

He told me that since MicroSoft did not own the chipsets from the original Xbox there is a matter of licensing when concerning the BC feature therefore everything has to be emulated. This is not an issue with Sony since they own the chipsets to the PS1, 2, and 3.

He also told me that each game is licensed to be used on a certain console. Because of the Xbox chipset emulation licensing each game that goes into BC must be RELICENSED beforehand. Obviously this is an issue that doesn't plague Sony.

So there are legal issues to go along with the technical ones. This may also explain why "The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay" has yet to be BC. There are several companies involved in the making of that and they probably didn't want to go through the headache of relicensing so it could go onto the Xbox 360.