NWC Gold part 2: Details released

[udisi]

well after 12000+ views, more than 40 emails, and 150 people watching last weeks auction, I have relisted it as a best offer auction this week.

follow along here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260006357328&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

This is the week we find out if it really sells

you may now resume your discussions, trolling, and or whatever you do in these threads

[captain nintendo]

Good luck with your auction :)
And thanks for getting me those scans.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Has anybody offered you $10,000 yet?

[Bronty-2]

Yeah, what happened with the five figure offer from before? fall through?

[Buyatari]

He claimed he had an offer for 10000 before. I think he is trying to get the most that he can.


Yeah, what happened with the five figure offer from before? fall through?

[jajaja]

How much was the offer you declined?

[udisi]

the 10k offer I think was a smoke in the wind. so this week with best offer we'll see who puts their money where their mouth is. If it sells it'll be on ebay for all too see, and not in a private to the side deal. We may also find that no true 5 figure offer will come. either way should be an interesting week. It's either be a 10k + sale or just a exciting waste of time. It'll either go 10k+ or it goes back in the collection.

[Jumpman Jr.]

I'm seriously debating making an offer of $10,000

[tornadostormxl]

How many offers have you gotten for like 1-10 dollars?

[Darren870]

I'm seriously debating making an offer of $10,000

You know your g/f will slice your balls off if you do that.

That is if you are still with her...

[Kejoriv]

Yea what are the 3 offers youve received so far?

I noticed you have denied one.

[Jumpman Jr.]

I'm seriously debating making an offer of $10,000

You know your g/f will slice your balls off if you do that.

That is if you are still with her...

There's an easy way around that.
I don't have a girlfriend.

[Darren870]

ahh i thought you had one, i remember you did a few months ago...

[dunkoff]

I'm seriously debating making an offer of $10,000

You know your g/f will slice your balls off if you do that.

That is if you are still with her...

There's an easy way around that.
I don't have a girlfriend.

If he did, and she did, I'd gladly trade him MY balls for NWC 8-)

[udisi]

ok, it's looking like we may see a sale. ATM I have a 10.5 k and 11k offer active. I'm in the process of talking to both parties.

[Kejoriv]

ok, it's looking like we may see a sale. ATM I have a 10.5 k and 11k offer active. I'm in the process of talking to both parties.

Thats nice. Congrats!
Let us know the outcome.

[LogicalMike]

Man, why couldn't you have run this next week? I just purchased a second home in Florida and it tapped my available funds.

Just my luck.

[Kejoriv]

Man, why couldn't you have run this next week? I just purchased a second home in Florida and it tapped my available funds.

Just my luck.

You should email him. Maybe, he will wait for you.

[LogicalMike]

Edit, double post. sorry

[LogicalMike]

You know, I have thought about that, However, I just received a Simpson's arcade game and I know the wife will go Turbo-Nutter on me if I drop more money on a "Stupid Game Thingy" as she so fawningly calles them.

x_x

[Buyatari]

Hide it inside the Simpsons cabinet. She'll never find it. Just tell her Simpsons was $15,500


You know, I have thought about that, However, I just received a Simpson's arcade game and I know the wife will go Turbo-Nutter on me if I drop more money on a "Stupid Game Thingy" as she so fawningly calles them.

x_x

[udisi]

the game is small, not like a simpsons cab, you could hide it from her, or better yet, if she refers to games as game thingys, you could just tell her it's a nintendo cart...you don't need to hint to her to it's value :D

[Bronty-2]

I think the point is she will strenously object to the bank account dropping 10K ;) I know some collectors that have bank accounts that the wife doesn't know about... but that's a little too extreme for my taste.

[jajaja]

Since Nettavisen (http://www.nettavisen.no/spillmagasinet/article680943.ece) wrote an article about the N64 proto i tipped them about this auction. I dunno if it will boost the sale if they publish it, but i guess you get alot more views :)

[Buyatari]

cuzcotop ( 44) Expired Jul-09-06 12:01:56 PDT

I didn't know these could expire. Hope that wasn't the biggest one. I see you have a few more offers now as well.

[ProgrammingAce]

cuzcotop ( 44) Expired Jul-09-06 12:01:56 PDT

I didn't know these could expire. Hope that wasn't the biggest one. I see you have a few more offers now as well.

It's an option somewhere when you send an offer...

[DreamTR]

I remember when I brought that exact cartridge to the CGE in 99 or 2000 and was trying to trade it, and I even offered a guy the cart for three boxed Panesians and he said no.

[Buyatari]

I didn't know Ron Jeremy collected NES


I remember when I brought that exact cartridge to the CGE in 99 or 2000 and was trying to trade it, and I even offered a guy the cart for three boxed Panesians and he said no.

[udisi]

yeah I let that one expire for the moment, I have a serious offer for my buying price, but it's a bit complicated, but it's valid enought to warrent letting offers expire since it would be for 15k.

[Buyatari]

If you are willing to be a bit accommodating a bit patient and a bit flexible you can land a deal that is not possible with a blind 7 day no reserve auction. I did have an offer of 15k. I wonder if it is the same guy.

I'd hate to think of how long you might have to wait and what someone will have to pay to get one AFTER this one sells.


yeah I let that one expire for the moment, I have a serious offer for my buying price, but it's a bit complicated, but it's valid enought to warrent letting offers expire since it would be for 15k.

[udisi]

I don't think it is the same guy, this guy is definitly a collector. you said the guy who offered you was into buying other things besides games. This guy is just a hugh nes fan with the money to broker a deal. Been talking through email and on the phone with him. we'll see how it works out. right now it's between 2 people. with something at this price It's important to have things worked out before a sale. I hoping it's worked out by the end of the auction, but may take a bit longer. the seriousness is there.

[sirhansirhan]

Poop, I just noticed that you're in St. Louis, udisi. I wonder if I've run into you before.

[udisi]

update, I'm getting closer to a deal, though you guys only have a 50/50 chance of knowing who wins, since one of the parties wishes to remain anonymous, and I will honor that request. stay tuned. I will release whatever details of a sale that I can while still meeting with requests of a buyer.

[Buyatari]

Do a private auction on ebay where the bidders ids are not disclosed. You should tell the bidder that while you understand while he might have reservations a public record of the transaction will stand as a benchmark and should he resell it in the future its in his best interest to do so.

[Kejoriv]

I understand why, but i wish we could see the offers made. how many offers do you think were for $100? LOL

[udisi]

I will release the offers made through ebay, np. the offers being discussed are not even submitted at the moment, as the details must be worked on. Also if the buyer does't want public record of it on ebay, I believe for the purchase price they will have payed for that right. Wether it's in their best interest, or not that is their call.

I think all will be surprised at some of the offers I got both high and low. There is a lot to selling this, I've had a lot of structered type deals, and delayed payment type deals, along with reugular ful lpayment now offers. Right now it's still between 2 people with 2 different types of deals and different money. I'm trying to see which one wil work out best, both have +/-'s it's just taking some time(as it should) for people to decide what they want, and where can to give and take a bit.

[anagrama]

The eBay offers will be visible anyway after the auction finishes (unless there's an option not too show them?)

[Bronty-2]

I have to say I'm impressed at the level of (apparent) interest at five figures. Not my cup of tea for 10k but I guess I can understand why it might be someone else's.

I think its only a matter of time before we start seeing fakes at these price levels, btw. Somebody will end up buying a doctored gold zelda sooner or later for 5k thinking they got a great deal.

[ProgrammingAce]

i'm pretty sure i could be making fakes of these carts for far less then $5000, and nobody would ever know the differance (aside from the few people who own the real ones).

At this point i'd be highly suspisious of anyone who comes forward with a previously unknown gold NWC that has no tracable connection to a winner.

[DreamTR]

You'd have to duplicate the NES-EVENT board, the setups of the EPROMS, the dipswitches, and the perfect cut housing, as well as have no residue on either side of the cart from labels. Might be a bit tougher, and probably could be done, but I am sure someone could tell the difference.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Yeah, you could get 10k for a fake, but it would be a whole lot of work for 10k and then it would be even harder to do if you didn't want a paper trail.

I think that most of the fakers out there are pretty lazy fakers. It would be much easier to pull a stolen picture auction than a real fake. Why go through all that effort when you can have a scam and run?

It would also be much easier to make fake prototype like a fake zelda III or something... LOL

[Bronty-2]

i'm pretty sure i could be making fakes of these carts for far less then $5000, and nobody would ever know the differance (aside from the few people who own the real ones).

At this point i'd be highly suspisious of anyone who comes forward with a previously unknown gold NWC that has no tracable connection to a winner.

Nobody ever said it was going to cost 5k to make... I meant that you could probably find some sucker to take a bad fake off your hands for a reduced price.

[Bronty-2]

You'd have to duplicate the NES-EVENT board, the setups of the EPROMS, the dipswitches, and the perfect cut housing, as well as have no residue on either side of the cart from labels. Might be a bit tougher, and probably could be done, but I am sure someone could tell the difference.

Ehh... that's assuming someone wanted to do a good fake ;)

[DreamTR]

Bronty: Some people used to think I was "making" them in my basement at one time! LOL

[liquitt]

Bronty: Some people used to think I was "making" them in my basement at one time! LOL

you dirrty faker!!!1 ;)

[Bronty-2]

Bronty: Some people used to think I was "making" them in my basement at one time! LOL

Now we know your secret ;) And of course you damaged the others so that the one you made for yourself would be nicest... we're on to your devious tricks! ;) :P

[Bronty-2]

Hey Udisi...

so did you sell this or what? :)

[udisi]

I did not sell it I had 2 very nice offers I was considering, but neither met met my needs fully. I will release the offers shortly for you all to see. I am holding back a few days because one of my interested parties is negotiating with someone else for a cart. When that is completed or dead I will release both offers publicly.

As a further note, I'm considering having the greatest raffle in video game history. 150-300 pepole at $50-$100 a ticket, and the winner take the cart. I get the price I wanted and the collector without a lot of money gets a chance to own this. just a thought atm though. could be hard to come up with the people needed to keep the ticket price cheap without multiple entries.

[Captain J]

i dont know if i would pay $50-$100 for a raffle ticket but i would pay $20 for sure!

[Pico956]

I did not sell it I had 2 very nice offers I was considering, but neither met met my needs fully. I will release the offers shortly for you all to see. I am holding back a few days because one of my interested parties is negotiating with someone else for a cart. When that is completed or dead I will release both offers publicly.

As a further note, I'm considering having the greatest raffle in video game history. 150-300 pepole at $50-$100 a ticket, and the winner take the cart. I get the price I wanted and the collector without a lot of money gets a chance to own this. just a thought atm though. could be hard to come up with the people needed to keep the ticket price cheap without multiple entries.

That's not a bad idea

[Pico956]

I did not sell it I had 2 very nice offers I was considering, but neither met met my needs fully. I will release the offers shortly for you all to see. I am holding back a few days because one of my interested parties is negotiating with someone else for a cart. When that is completed or dead I will release both offers publicly.

As a further note, I'm considering having the greatest raffle in video game history. 150-300 pepole at $50-$100 a ticket, and the winner take the cart. I get the price I wanted and the collector without a lot of money gets a chance to own this. just a thought atm though. could be hard to come up with the people needed to keep the ticket price cheap without multiple entries.

That's not a bad idea

[jajaja]

Good idea about the raffle, but its a huge gamble. As you say, you must find 150 - 300 people that are interested in it and to pay $50 or $100 for each ticket. What will happend if you only get to sell 50 tickets?

[udisi]

I wouldn't have the raffle lol, My plans were to reserve tickets without payment for a bit, and find the people first, then when all was said and done, have people throw in. anyone who didn't pay by a deadline, tickets would be reopened until full. it would take some time but it could work.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Cool idea.
I think you would get tons more people if the raffle was at say, $20 or something like that.
It's that whole bell-curve thing that we leant in Calculus class back in high-school. You would get A LOT of people buying $20 tickets, and not as many people buying $50/$100 tickets.
Hard to say which would be better.

[Hounder]

That's a great idea. I would do it at a cheaper price of course. At $20 you could easily find enough people to chip in. This would allow anybody with $20 a chance to own this cart.

Count me in if you do this :)

[jajaja]

He needs to find 750 people if the ticket cost $20. Id say that is near impossible :\

[Buyatari]

150-300 pepole at $50-$100 a ticket, and the winner take the cart.

$50-$100 is too much. Only a select group of collectors are willing to spend $50 or $100 on a cartridge that have a 100% chance of getting.

$20-$25 might work but a lot of details would need to be worked out. While some tickets could be sold prior the actual event the announcement would have to take place at a convention in full view of all. No one here would go for a private selection process at your house. A third party (staff member of hotel, etc.) would have to take the last few turns of the ticket drum and pick the winning ticket at a gaming convention.

But what if you don't get enough tickets? You can't really back out of a raffle like that graciously. So it might be a bit of a gamble and you could end up with less or more than you might expect.

[DreamTR]

The cart has been sold, details have been kept confidential, but it's a bit over 15K.

[aaronpetrosky]

I'd hate to see something like that go in a lottery anyways.

[dj_spryte]

That whole idea would seem kind of sketchy to some. I mean if your collecting paypal payments of 20 dollars from interested people online, you could easily say that the winner is Joe Blow and still end up keeping the game for yourself. How would anyone know that there name's are actually in the raffle? If would have to be an in person lottery so that it's 100% legit.

[udisi]

well my plan would be to have it video taped , from names going in to names coming out, and actually having the video posted for all to see. Maybe even a pulisher's clearing house type surprise here's your NWC 1990 gold cart, delevery. Granted I guess even with that some people would not be satisfied. The drawing at a big gaming convention sounds neat though too. Don't know yet. It wouldn't be like a normal raffle though, I wanted to do it as a set number of people at a set price. IE I get my price, nothing less, nothing more. It would also mean you'd know you're exact odds. 1:150, 1:300, 1:600. I'd like to limit to one entry so that everyone would have the same odds, but if it people would want cheaper tickets, I would most likely have to open it up to multi-ticket buys, to reach the number needed. That or have some hugh exposure to hype up the raffle.

Anyway, it's just a thought atm, nothing defined or anything, a lot of details would have to be worked out if I did this.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Wait, DreamTR just said it was sold.
Was it sold?

[Kejoriv]

Wait, DreamTR just said it was sold.
Was it sold?
i know. im confused too

[udisi]

no, I have not sold mine yet. Not sure maybe Jason sold his lol...dk

[Buyatari]

Its fun to talk about it but this isn't some cute little game you are having a raffle for. Its like doing a raffle for a small car. Not exactly legal and all it takes is a few sour grapes to spoil the party. The more you advertise the more word gets out the more problems you could have. Catch 22

Unless you cross all your Ts and dot all your Is and have the raffle perfectly legal in a city like Vegas or in another country where it is legal, it could go very very wrong with you out the cart and a class action lawsuit demanding refunds for tickets to boot. Then what do you do? Ask for the cart back?


well my plan would be to have it video taped , from names going in to names coming out, and actually having the video posted for all to see. Maybe even a pulisher's clearing house type surprise here's your NWC 1990 gold cart, delevery. Granted I guess even with that some people would not be satisfied. The drawing at a big gaming convention sounds neat though too. Don't know yet. It wouldn't be like a normal raffle though, I wanted to do it as a set number of people at a set price. IE I get my price, nothing less, nothing more. It would also mean you'd know you're exact odds. 1:150, 1:300, 1:600. I'd like to limit to one entry so that everyone would have the same odds, but if it people would want cheaper tickets, I would most likely have to open it up to multi-ticket buys, to reach the number needed. That or have some hugh exposure to hype up the raffle.

Anyway, it's just a thought atm, nothing defined or anything, a lot of details would have to be worked out if I did this.

[Hounder]

Wow....I'm confused too? What one was sold for that price?

[Predatorxs]

Its fun to talk about it but this isn't some cute little game you are having a raffle for. Its like doing a raffle for a small car. Not exactly legal and all it takes is a few sour grapes to spoil the party. The more you advertise the more word gets out the more problems you could have. Catch 22

Unless you cross all your Ts and dot all your Is and have the raffle perfectly legal in a city like Vegas or in another country where it is legal, it could go very very wrong with you out the cart and a class action lawsuit demanding refunds for tickets to boot. Then what do you do? Ask for the cart back?


well my plan would be to have it video taped , from names going in to names coming out, and actually having the video posted for all to see. Maybe even a pulisher's clearing house type surprise here's your NWC 1990 gold cart, delevery. Granted I guess even with that some people would not be satisfied. The drawing at a big gaming convention sounds neat though too. Don't know yet. It wouldn't be like a normal raffle though, I wanted to do it as a set number of people at a set price. IE I get my price, nothing less, nothing more. It would also mean you'd know you're exact odds. 1:150, 1:300, 1:600. I'd like to limit to one entry so that everyone would have the same odds, but if it people would want cheaper tickets, I would most likely have to open it up to multi-ticket buys, to reach the number needed. That or have some hugh exposure to hype up the raffle.

Anyway, it's just a thought atm, nothing defined or anything, a lot of details would have to be worked out if I did this.

Not to get the wrong end of the stick, but surely a raffle is a raffle, be it a car or a video game game? the cart only has such high value owing to the people that value it so highly, namely video game collectors, to your average joe, it's not worth anything.

As long as it's straight down the line, a certain amount of tickets sold, (and numbered) and a full list of ticket holders, and maybe a third party to be an impartial witness, to keep it all legit?

Maybe even a few witness's, Just to keep all the conspiracy geeks! in check :D

[rbudrick]

The cart has been sold, details have been kept confidential, but it's a bit over 15K.

DreamTR, wha? Udisi said he didn't sell it...

-Rob

[DreamTR]

My bad, I thought it was sold, but Udisi did not agree to terms. It was a valid offer, but he passed. This thing is worth WAYYYYY too much now.

[MightyMagnor]

This thing is worth WAYYYYY too much now.

5000 to 7000 right?

[Kejoriv]

My bad, I thought it was sold, but Udisi did not agree to terms. It was a valid offer, but he passed. This thing is worth WAYYYYY too much now.

Im still confused. You said he was offered 15k for it? Its worth more than that?

[jajaja]

This thing is worth WAYYYYY too much now.

5000 to 7000 right?

Nope, its still 15000. Eventho the seller didnt want to sell there is a person out there who is willing to pay 15k for it. This is a item that change hands so rarely that the value is what it sell for whenever it change hands. There is no marked value for this item. There is no such "its worth X money". This is only personal opinions about the prices. One time it might sell for 10k. 1-2 years later it can go for 15k. Its impossible to know.

[Parpunk]

woah a raffle would be sweet. id do it for like $25.00 or something. Just videotape it ..........that would be just as legit really. I live in west virginia so i wouldnt be able to drive like 500 miles for a in person raffle when chances are i probably wont win lol. lemme know if you do it or not. :-)

[udisi]

Ok, all is good to let my offers known. I had 2 serious offers while selling this.

1)12,500 straight cash deal +ebay fees, worked out to about 12,790 total.

2)17,500 structured payment deal. A higher offer, though full payment wouldn't have been recieved for 18 months.


They way I looked at this is I had a simple deal at 2500 below my asking price and a more complicated deal at 2500 above my asking price. I decided that really the offers were equal,but niether really met my hopes of a straight 15k, so in the end I decided to hold for the time being. I may still sell my cart to the high offer person at a lower price straight cash deal, but that is still to be seen. Either way, I can definitly say that 10+k is possible for this game. All I had to do is say yes to either of these offers to truly prove it. I'm hoping I can prove it in the future with a 15k straight cash deal. we'll see. I actually had 3 10k+offers though the 3rd party dropped out when the other 2 wished to continue further.

[jajaja]

17.5k @_@ @_@ @_@
Well.. that proves it. Sivarto said no1 would ever pay even 10k for it (or something like that). 18 months is mega long tho.