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[Nintendo Gamer]

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[jajaja]

Read this earlier and i must say i'm pretty impressed. Many will say that Wii would have sold more if they had a bigger supply, which i also belive its true, but you also got to take the price in concideration here. The Wii was £180 at launch, the PS3 was £425. That is nearly 2.5 times more money and still it outsold it by far. Im interested in knowing the total salenumber for Europe and Australia.

[Nebagram]

I'd imagine a lot of these have GOT to be online because on the High Street, they're not moving. There were 33 PS3s in the Argos in my hometown on Friday. I checked in there this (mOnday) morning, and there were 64. Either I'm sitting on top of a goldmine and I don't know it, or those figures aren't entirely the whole story...

[anagrama]

UKR have the best coverage I've seen (http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/) ;)

[Bronty-2]

UKR have the best coverage I've seen (http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/) ;)

shit, that is classic!

[Bronty-2]

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[Bronty-2]

Sony sold 165,000 units of their total 220,000 units in the United Kingdom, so there are still units in stock in the UK. This was an actual part of Sony's strategy.

http://www.psu.com/node/9210

Sony counts 'shipped to retailer' as sold, so those charttrack #s mean nothing in that the #s would not equate with sold through to consumers anyway.

That PSU article you link is just embarassing, especially this paragraph:

"Sony sold 165,000 units of their total 220,000 units in the United Kingdom, so there are still units in stock in the UK. This was an actual part of Sony's strategy. "

[badinsults]

Sony counts 'shipped to retailer' as sold, so those charttrack #s mean nothing in that the #s would not equate with sold through to consumers anyway.

That PSU article you link is just embarassing, especially this paragraph:

"Sony sold 165,000 units of their total 220,000 units in the United Kingdom, so there are still units in stock in the UK. This was an actual part of Sony's strategy. "

One would think that their strategy would be "sell as many as possible" not "make sure there are still consoles not sold".

[Snapple]

This picture is great.

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/pics4/sheffield-lots-left.jpg

[ShenmueFan]

Is it because Sony gave away HDTVs with every unit sold??? :P

[jajaja]

Wow, this thread here was spun to something negative faster than over at NeoGAF. Out of 10 posts, 7 are negative. And belive me, that is almost unbelivable considering all the negative stuff there is over there and all the members thats active. Sure is popular to hate Sony and PS3 now a days. When will it end?

[Lothars]

Wow, this thread here was spun to something negative faster than over at NeoGAF. And belive me, that is almost unbelivable considering all the negative stuff there is over there and all the members thats active. Sure is popular to hate Sony and PS3 now a days. When will it end?

IT won't end for a long time but I would love to see Sony come out in the lead again this generation

[ShenmueFan]

IT won't end for a long time but I would love to see Sony come out in the lead again this generation

If Sony does manage to get in the lead, it'll take years to do so and it'll be due largely to BluRay **if** that format suddenly takes off in the mainstream.

Sony is easy to pick on right now because they made so many outrageous claims with the PS3 and only a small number of them are even close to being true.

[Lothars]

If Sony does manage to get in the lead, it'll take years to do so and it'll be due largely to BluRay **if** that format suddenly takes off in the mainstream.

Sony is easy to pick on right now because they made so many outrageous claims with the PS3 and only a small number of them are even close to being true.

Absolutely that's fully true, I don't know what will happen and Well I disagree it will be because of Blu-ray I think the games will make the system it will sell, though the price is high for it, but I still think it's interesting to see what will happen.

Though I really like my 360 and hope it does well.

[Nebagram]

Wow, this thread here was spun to something negative faster than over at NeoGAF. Out of 10 posts, 7 are negative. And belive me, that is almost unbelivable considering all the negative stuff there is over there and all the members thats active. Sure is popular to hate Sony and PS3 now a days. When will it end?

£299.99 seems like a reasonable ending point to me. UKR always win IMO, though. :)

[playgeneration]

I'm not entirely sure those sales figures are accurate.
A lot of them were bought by ebay profiteers, and since their generally making a loss of £100 or more on them, I can see them being returned to stores instead.

Thing is, if it is the most succesful launch ever, then why are some retailers having to drop the price by £25 already?

PS3 is too expensive, too late, and doesn't match sonys claims and hype - anyone who thinks that motorstorm looks remotely as good as the original fake trailer has serious sight problems.

[Griking]

Wow, this thread here was spun to something negative faster than over at NeoGAF. Out of 10 posts, 7 are negative. And belive me, that is almost unbelivable considering all the negative stuff there is over there and all the members thats active. Sure is popular to hate Sony and PS3 now a days. When will it end?

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Most posts in this thread so far haven't really contained any real Anti-Sony propaganda. Rather they're just linking to facts about the PS3 launch in Europe. Now if the facts aren't all rosy for Sony you really shouldn't shoot the messengers.

[heybtbm]

Sony counts 'shipped to retailer' as sold, so those charttrack #s mean nothing in that the #s would not equate with sold through to consumers anyway.

Exactly.

Before the Sony defenders start whining about PS3 negativity here at DP (the crying is getting so old), let's keep this in perspective. "Shipped" is NOT the same as "sold"...plain and simple.

[jajaja]

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Most posts in this thread so far haven't really contained any real Anti-Sony propaganda. Rather they're just linking to facts about the PS3 launch in Europe. Now if the facts aren't all rosy for Sony you really shouldn't shoot the messengers.

Well.. true about the propaganda, but this started as a good news, instead people post stuff about how many consoles there were left (the pre-order picture) and how short the queues was i Poland etc. These are negative things so the thread spun from something postive to something negative.


£299.99 seems like a reasonable ending point to me. UKR always win IMO, though. :)

Ye, but you dont hate the PS3 because of the high price only? That would be like hating i.e Ferrari because their cars cost tons hehe. But i guess you're right. If the price was £299 at launch i'm sure there wouldnt be so much negative focus around PS3.

Anyway, i'm looking forward to the salenumbes in some weeks. Want to see how good/bad it is :)

[tom]

Sony counts 'shipped to retailer' as sold, so those charttrack #s mean nothing in that the #s would not equate with sold through to consumers anyway. "


They all do, even Nintendo and MS (no company would do any different)

(Madonna's record company claims, she's the best selling female artist in the world. Just go into any record shop and see all those Madonna CDs stacked on the shelfs. By the hundreds. But for the record company, they count as sold)

[tom]

PS3 best selling console in the UK, I would believe it. The Brits live of borrowed money, big time. CCs at the ready, they spend like there is no tomorrow.

[tom]

Wow, this thread here was spun to something negative faster than over at NeoGAF. Out of 10 posts, 7 are negative. And belive me, that is almost unbelivable considering all the negative stuff there is over there and all the members thats active. Sure is popular to hate Sony and PS3 now a days. When will it end?

Nintendo fanboys are jealous since PSX stole Nintendos lead (and the FF franchise)

[tom]

PS3 is too expensive, .

I guess the British don't see it that way

[Darren870]

They all do, even Nintendo and MS (no company would do any different)

(Madonna's record company claims, she's the best selling female artist in the world. Just go into any record shop and see all those Madonna CDs stacked on the shelfs. By the hundreds. But for the record company, they count as sold)

No they don't...Sony is the only one.

[tom]

No they don't...Sony is the only one.

Well, Nintendo been doing it for years....

(I used to work for a book company in the UK, when we shipped the books to the shops, my boss told me 'these are now considered sold, that's practice of many companies'.)

[Griking]

Well.. true about the propaganda, but this started as a good news, instead people post stuff about how many consoles there were left (the pre-order picture) and how short the queues was i Poland etc. These are negative things so the thread spun from something postive to something negative.

The reason that the conversation kind of switched from positive to negative was because there really wasn't a positive to report. It's been said again and again, Sony reports the amount of units shipped, not the amount sold to consumers therefore the numbers really don't mean a thing. And other than numbers the only other real fact from the original post was that the PS3 is now available in Europe.

[tom]

The reason that the conversation kind of switched from positive to negative was because there really wasn't a positive to report. It's been said again and again, Sony reports the amount of units shipped, not the amount sold to consumers therefore the numbers really don't mean a thing. And other than numbers the only other real fact from the original post was that the PS3 is now available in Europe.

so basically you are saying, Microsofts and Nintendos figures are wrong too

[tom]

trouble is, who do we believe? Knowledgeable industry people like Chartrack or some forum fanboys?

[Trebuken]

This is good news for anyone who owns a PS3. It's also significant that units are on the shelves. It means Sony is over it's production hurdles and that there may now be enough systems around worldwide for developers to start releasing games---now that they can sell enough to pay for developement.

[jajaja]

The reason that the conversation kind of switched from positive to negative was because there really wasn't a positive to report. It's been said again and again, Sony reports the amount of units shipped, not the amount sold to consumers therefore the numbers really don't mean a thing. And other than numbers the only other real fact from the original post was that the PS3 is now available in Europe.

Nah, thats not the case. Read the first post:


Sony sold 165,000 units of their total 220,000 units in the United Kingdom, so there are still units in stock in the UK. This was an actual part of Sony's strategy.

Then again, people also spun this into something negative because Sony didnt sell out all the consoles avalible. I remember people where complaining about the numbers for US/JAP launch. They sold out at day one, but of course people turned this into something negative too. Its so very popular to hate, hate and hate Sony and PS3, its nothing to do with facts. Even if there were some super great news about PS3 atleast one person would find something negative about its, its simply crazy. Positive things arent excited, only negative things, wierd how many people are.

[ShenmueFan]

tom, I used to work at KMart in the electronics department and every week a person from the music distribution company would come in and check quantities of CDs on shelves versus our sales list and then add and take away albums appropriately to accomodate shifts in purchasing and all that stuff. They don't count the CDs "sold" until they are actually "sold". They don't count the CDs stolen as "sold" either. They also didn't take sales away from an artist if they yanked a CD of theirs of the shelves.

Maybe Mom & Pop stores do have to buy all their inventory outright becaus ethey don't have distribution companies supplying their stores with product - but generally, big chains do have outside companies coming in and stocking/tracking sales of items.

Plus, if you think about it, if Sony (or any company) wanted to break all records for anything, they'd simply manufacture a billion quantity of whatever and ship it to retailers for nuthin'...in your perspective, they'd have just sold a billion products while maybe only 10 of them get bought.

Also remember that stolen/unsold products can sometimes be written off taxes so companies pay close attention to product quantities on shelves, in homes and in the manufacturing plants. It's complicated and 165,000 PS3s in UK is okay, but hardly anything breathtaking.

Even if a publisher made $10 profit off each copy of a certain title and everyone their bought it launch day, they'd only make around 1.6 million profit off a PS3 game that took millions and millions to produce. That's not a big margin nowadays...

[TurboGenesis]

In the automotive industry (DCX) we consider a vehicle "sold" when it is off the ground in our yard and on the rail car. At the end of every month we make haste to get everything off the ground to get more units "sold" for that month.

Back on topic - I like PlayStation 3. It is very disturbing every time to go onto a forum and see all the PlayStation bashing. I guess its cool to hate Sony. Honestly I think PlayStation will offer better games through out the duration over the Xbox 360. Only thing Xbox 360 has 100% better IMO is online interface. The style of games I like will likely appear on Sony hardware long before it makes way onto western hardware. Its just going to take some years. PS2 didn't gain ground (with me) until 2002. Go PlayStation 3!

[ShenmueFan]

In the automotive industry (DCX) we consider a vehicle "sold" when it is off the ground in our yard and on the rail car. At the end of every month we make haste to get everything off the ground to get more units "sold" for that month.

Back on topic - I like PlayStation 3. It is very disturbing every time to go onto a forum and see all the PlayStation bashing. I guess its cool to hate Sony. Honestly I think PlayStation will offer better games through out the duration over the Xbox 360. Only thing Xbox 360 has 100% better IMO is online interface. The style of games I like will likely appear on Sony hardware long before it makes way onto western hardware. Its just going to take some years. PS2 didn't gain ground (with me) until 2002. Go PlayStation 3!

PS2 gained ground immediatly after release in all areas because of its DVD playback and people were crazy for the Playstation brand. I don't find it disturbing at all for all the PS bashing on any site - people aren't just mad about how things have turned out, they're mad and vocal that Sony is doing verry little to make up for all their broken promises and lackluster launches of products. There's almost unanimous praise for the Wii, however, and I rarely hear anyone complaining about that. People are just fickle I suppose.

Oh, and about large ticket items such as cars - of course those are "sold" once they leave the factory! Dealerships can't return cars, that's why they don't have every variation of every model on lot! Also keep in mind that brand new cars don't go down in value, or, if they do, it's very little. A brand new 2000 car still costs & is worth more than the same model from 2007 that has only had one owner and just 10 miles on it. The auto industry is weird the way it works.

[TurboGenesis]

PS2 didn't gain ground (with me) until 2002.
see bold text


PS2 gained ground immediatly after release in all areas because of its DVD playback and people were crazy for the Playstation brand. I don't find it disturbing at all for all the PS bashing on any site - people aren't just mad about how things have turned out, they're mad and vocal that Sony is doing verry little to make up for all their broken promises and lackluster launches of products. There's almost unanimous praise for the Wii, however, and I rarely hear anyone complaining about that. People are just fickle I suppose.
I don't really care about how Sony talks all its trash. They can talk all the junk they want and put their foot in mouth, I look at what games are on the shelves (none) and whats on the horizon (lots of potental). Xbox 360 is to "western" for me and Wii has potental as well but only time will tell if and when it will hit full stride. PlayStation 3 has high potental for software applications that may interest me in in the duration, I need patience and I sit and wait while I offer support to all 3 major players. As always, its the software applications that makes and breaks consoles. Been that way pretty much from the get go.



Oh, and about large ticket items such as cars - of course those are "sold" once they leave the factory! Dealerships can't return cars, that's why they don't have every variation of every model on lot! Also keep in mind that brand new cars don't go down in value, or, if they do, it's very little. A brand new 2000 car still costs & is worth more than the same model from 2007 that has only had one owner and just 10 miles on it. The auto industry is weird the way it works.

Cars depreciate the second it drives off the lot. A model year 2000 vehicle is worthless compaired to a model year 2007 vehicle. You posted it backwards. Heck a model year 2006 vehicle is worth less than a current model year vehicle. Dealerships push previous model year vehicles with cash savings, incentives, rebates, and discounts to make way for new model year. Thats why there are great deals on new vehicles during the summer and fall months. This summer/fall you will be able to snag a "great" deal on a model year 2007 vehicle.

[Bronty-2]

so basically you are saying, Microsofts and Nintendos figures are wrong too

No, he's saying that you're flat wrong and that sony is the only one that counts units 'shipped' as sold. I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about on this one. I've seen references made to this diff. between sony and nintendo sales #s all over the place including in major games mags.

Furthermore, I'm an accountant (in canada, not in the US so I don't claim to be an expert on US standards) but from what I do know of American accounting pronouncements it would be highly unlikely for microsoft to even be allowed to record revenue in that manner. And from what I've been led to believe nintendo doesn't record in that manner either.

[tom]

No, he's saying that you're flat wrong and that sony is the only one that counts units 'shipped' as sold. I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about on this one. I've seen references made to this diff. between sony and nintendo sales #s all over the place including in major games mags.

Furthermore, I'm an accountant (in canada, not in the US so I don't claim to be an expert on US standards) but from what I do know of American accounting pronouncements it would be highly unlikely for microsoft to even be allowed to record revenue in that manner. And from what I've been led to believe nintendo doesn't record in that manner either.

Well, I know for a fact that Nintendo did that with GC for UK. Maybe you're no expert on Euro standards either.

[Griking]

so basically you are saying, Microsofts and Nintendos figures are wrong too

No, I'm saying that Microsoft and Nintendo report the number of consoles sold to CONSUMERS while Sony reports the number of consoles sold to retailers.

Quoting the immortal Lewis Black

Big. Fuck. Difference.

[Griking]

Well, I know for a fact that Nintendo did that with GC for UK. Maybe you're no expert on Euro standards either.

Would you mind providing a link to this "proof"

[Bronty-2]

Well, I know for a fact that Nintendo did that with GC for UK. Maybe you're no expert on Euro standards either.

And maybe you don't know your ass from your elbow.

[Bronty-2]

Would you mind providing a link to this "proof"

Didn't you read his earlier post? "His boss told him so". LO-frickin-L.

[ShenmueFan]

Cars depreciate the second it drives off the lot. A model year 2000 vehicle is worthless compaired to a model year 2007 vehicle. You posted it backwards. Heck a model year 2006 vehicle is worth less than a current model year vehicle. Dealerships push previous model year vehicles with cash savings, incentives, rebates, and discounts to make way for new model year. Thats why there are great deals on new vehicles during the summer and fall months. This summer/fall you will be able to snag a "great" deal on a model year 2007 vehicle.

You got it wrong. In my example the 2000 car WAS never taken off the lot and was considered technically brand-new. The 2007 was no longer considered brand new because it had an owner, even if that owner had only put on 10 miles. Dealerships have sales at certain times every year to clear out remaining inventory from that year's models. In general, car prices go UP every year and it doesn't make sense to have a car from 2000, even if it is brand new, on a lot full of 2007 cars. People would gladly pay thousands less for the "technically" old car because it was still brand new since it never had an owner.

It's weird. I know.

[TurboGenesis]

You got it wrong. In my example the 2000 car WAS never taken off the lot and was considered technically brand-new. The 2007 was no longer considered brand new because it had an owner, even if that owner had only put on 10 miles. Dealerships have sales at certain times every year to clear out remaining inventory from that year's models. In general, car prices go UP every year and it doesn't make sense to have a car from 2000, even if it is brand new, on a lot full of 2007 cars. People would gladly pay thousands less for the "technically" old car because it was still brand new since it never had an owner.

It's weird. I know.

Ok now you put spin on it its different story, model year 2K, vehicle A, is "new" and model year 2007, vehicle B, is as you stated, is no longer brand-new. That would make vehicle B "used". That's apples and oranges, new vs. used.

PlayStation 3 is a fine machine with alot of potential. Give it some time and see what developers are able to do with it. It is a more difficult system to program for but those developers who take time to learn it may be able to do awesome things, like Saturn ;)

[Darren870]

Well, Nintendo been doing it for years....

(I used to work for a book company in the UK, when we shipped the books to the shops, my boss told me 'these are now considered sold, that's practice of many companies'.)

This topic has been brought up like hundreds of times and each time its confirmed sony is the only one that does this.

[jajaja]

This topic has been brought up like hundreds of times and each time its confirmed sony is the only one that does this.

Source?

[neuropolitique]

From the wording of the linked article it seems clear that Sony has actually Sold that number of consoles to consumers. I also agree that, usually, Sony press releases state systems shipped. It just doesn't appear to be the case here. This is info from a 3rd party, and so is not subjected to Sony's usual spin.

[Griking]

Are you looking for a quote straight from Sony? Cause that isn't gonna happen. Will something link this (http://www.vgcharts.org/news/news.php?id=111) do for now?

[jajaja]

Are you looking for a quote straight from Sony? Cause that isn't gonna happen. Will something link this (http://www.vgcharts.org/news/news.php?id=111) do for now?

If this was a reply to me, then no. I want source that proves that Sony is the only company that only operates on number of shipped units.

[cyberfluxor]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h310/dalmation10k/expensive_taste.gif
:above me:

[tom]

And maybe you don't know your ass from your elbow.

See, you got nothing to say anymore, except from being childish (I bet you're an accountant).

[tom]

No, I'm saying that Microsoft and Nintendo report the number of consoles sold to CONSUMERS while Sony reports the number of consoles sold to retailers.

Quoting the immortal Lewis Black



Do you have a link to prove this theroy? I mean, you know nothing as far as I am concerned

[tom]

Didn't you read his earlier post? "His boss told him so". LO-frickin-L.

So my boss knows UK law and you don't.

And that's funny because....it makes you look a fool perhaps?

[tom]

So basically, no proof. Nintendo and MS also count 'shipped to shops' as sales.

[neuropolitique]

Sony Press Release (http://www.us.playstation.com/News/PressReleases/373)

A Sony Press Release giving shipped numbers. As per usual.

Nintendo Press Release (http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=11731)

A Nintendo release using NPD sales numbers, not shipped numbers.

Couldn't find a MS press release dealing with hardware, but I did find this guy: Gears of War release (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/dec06/12-15GoWMomentumPR.mspx) It states sold, not shipped.

It's fairly well known that Sony at least gives shipped numbers instead of sold. It's also rather well known that Nintendo also gives sold numbers. MS I'm not so sure of. You can usually tell in the wording of the press releases which number they are refering to. Sony, everytime I've seen, gives shipped numbers.

That being said, the article this topic is based on is not a Sony press release. it is a third party giving it's actual numbers. Not sure why this argument is going on. It seems fairly clear.

[neuropolitique]

Also, Tom, could you please post all your responses in the same post.

[neuropolitique]

because it's really annoying to keep posting over and over again.

[jajaja]

Neuropolitique: Thanks for the links, but it doesnt show that Sony always and only operates with shipped numbers. Dont know what is true, thats why i asked since one guy here said earlier it was confirmed. Anyway, i dont see why it matters that much.

[Darren870]

I don't think they have ever stated real sales numbers.

And it makes a huge difference when they say the sold a million and half are still in stores. Whatever number that may be.

[neuropolitique]

Neuropolitique: Thanks for the links, but it doesnt show that Sony always and only operates with shipped numbers. Dont know what is true, thats why i asked since one guy here said earlier it was confirmed. Anyway, i dont see why it matters that much.

It doesn't matter at all here. And I know two links aren't going to definitively prove anything. There are no documents to link to, however, from Sony or Nintendo or anyone that states "We only use these numbers...". I had always though it was common knowledge for years, but apparently not for all.

[jajaja]

I don't think they have ever stated real sales numbers.

And it makes a huge difference when they say the sold a million and half are still in stores. Whatever number that may be.

Well.. if they announce 10 million shipped at first, then 20 million 1 year later it obviously means they are selling ;) So shipped numbers indicates how much thats being sold, but of course its not that accurate.


I had always though it was common knowledge for years, but apparently not for all.

I doubt Gertrude, 46 years old, working at the gas station knows that Sony only operates with shipped numbers hehe :P Its not common knowledge, you would have to pay attention to all press releases etc. to know this.

[tom]

Also, Tom, could you please post all your responses in the same post.

Maybe

[tom]

Sony Press Release (http://www.us.playstation.com/News/PressReleases/373)

A Sony Press Release giving shipped numbers. As per usual.

Nintendo Press Release (http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=11731)

A Nintendo release using NPD sales numbers, not shipped numbers.

.

OK, but it still only deals with US, not Europe. German shops are full of Wiis, for example.

[Mayhem]

Which is why bundles of people here are ordering them from Germany and dealing with the plug issue via a travel adapter!

[tom]

Oh yes, I'm back in Germany using a mixture of UK 3-pin plugs, some French 2-pin plugs with a hole in it (or worse, I use some of the French 3-plug sockets with a 'earth pin' sticking out (that's what the hole in the plug is for)), and German plugs, one day it's all gonna blow up, and neuropolitique will be happy not having to deal with me anymore....

Still: Just nice to see the PS3 being the best selling console at launch in the UK, the Brits sure have good taste.

[chicnstu]

PlayStation 3 is a fine machine with alot of potential.

Doesn't XBox 360 and Wii have the same amount of potential as the PS3? Wii has unique controls and PS3 has slightly better graphics than 360. I've seen lots of posts with people saying "PS3 has a lot of potential".

[jajaja]

Doesn't XBox 360 and Wii have the same amount of potential as the PS3? Wii has unique controls and PS3 has slightly better graphics than 360. I've seen lots of posts with people saying "PS3 has a lot of potential".

Still doesnt change the fact that PS3 has alot of potential. All of the 3 consoles have their own potential to be great :)

[chicnstu]

Still doesnt change the fact that PS3 has alot of potential. All of the 3 consoles have their own potential to be great :)

I meant that people say it like the PS3 has more potential.

Didn't you used to have an avatar of napoleon dynamite and then the pope? Seems like I remember you posting longer more complex posts (not saying this in a bad way).

[TurboGenesis]

Doesn't XBox 360 and Wii have the same amount of potential as the PS3? Wii has unique controls and PS3 has slightly better graphics than 360. I've seen lots of posts with people saying "PS3 has a lot of potential".

Honestly I beleive that its equal opportunity for all 3 consoles. I have all 3 in my home right now and I wait for the day when one will take off with me when the games I like come out.

I show equal support for each console. Its the software which will show where I pledge my allegiance.

[Jibbajaba]

Didn't you used to have an avatar of napoleon dynamite and then the pope? Seems like I remember you posting longer more complex posts (not saying this in a bad way).

NEVER confuse this douchebag with the greatness that were my posts. While I like to think that I contributed positively to the discourse here (most of the time, anyway), Jajaja is the gonorrhea of Digital Press.

Back to lurking...

Chris

[chicnstu]

NEVER confuse this douchebag with the greatness that were my posts. While I like to think that I contributed positively to the discourse here (most of the time, anyway), Jajaja is the gonorrhea of Digital Press.

Back to lurking...

Chris

Very sorry. I've been wondering where you went. You were one of my favorite posters.

I don't like jajaja either...

[chicnstu]

Honestly I beleive that its equal opportunity for all 3 consoles. I have all 3 in my home right now and I wait for the day when one will take off with me when the games I like come out.

I show equal support for each console. Its the software which will show where I pledge my allegiance.

Great post.

[jajaja]

I don't like jajaja either...

You think it was seriously ment by him? You think that Jibbajaba would be that retarded just enters a topic to say personal shit that has nothing to do with the thread and be serious at the same time? He also says that he thinks he contributed positively, is joining a thread to to post shit positive? If some douchebag does that and are serious at the same time it would be mega ironic lol. It would be like me saying that Jibbajaba is the polio of DP. First he was just fucking annoying, but he finaly went away (stopped posting). If i write this, can you see if i'm being sarcastic or not? Problem with writing is that you cannot pick up sarcasm that easy. If Jibbajaba really (which i doubt, but you'll never know these days) was serious i want him to PM me and explain why he said that.

Problem with the internet today is that there are so many that hides behind the screen and talk big, are damn rude and tries to hurt people. These are things they would never say face to face to the person, but because they hide behind the screen they think they can say anything they want and feel like a big man. Sad, but its true. So many crazy and sick people out there so its best to just ignore them.

By the way, what have i done to you since you dont like me? I dont even know you. If i have another opinion that you that mean you dont like me? Arent you like 49 years old or something? You would think that a person with that much life experience could handle disagreement and other opinions without starting to dislike the person.. Seriously, if you dont like me it must have been something i did to you. Send me a PM and explain there.

I have no interest in fighting people so instead of post personal harrasment (mostly goes for Jibbajaba) on the forum take it over PM instead, that goes for everyone. I dont understand why some people would try to ruin the great community here at DP by posting personal attacks, especially long time members. If someone has some logical explanation on it i would like to hear it, but honestly i seriously doubt there is any logical explanation to it.


Anyway, back to topic (sorta hehe). Anyone remember the french PS3 launch? Everyone say that it went like shit and stores in Paris that had 1000 consoles only sold like 50 etc. Just read this on Maxconsole.net:


Today George Fornay, President of Sony Computer Entertainment France and vice-president of SCE Europe, revealed that 78,000 PlayStation 3 units were sold in the first 48 hours after it launched in France. Sony shipped about 100,000 units to France.

After the record in the UK, this is another launch record for Sony with its PlayStation 3. The PS3 broke the French Wii record of 75,000 units sold in the first 48 hours, and they also broke the Xbox 360 launch sales which sold 49,000 units.

[tom]

Don't worry about jibbyjabby, the ones who have to tap themselves on their shoulder to tell anyone (and themselves) how great they are, the less self-esteem they have.
and chickenstu is simple enough to go along with him (no mind of your own then?)

time to close this thread, i think, due to many moronic postings out of our control.

[jajaja]

Thanks for the support Tom. I just think its wierd that Jibbajaba joined the discussion just to post something like that. If it was a "hot" discussion i could have understood it to a certaint point, but now there were no such discussion + he didnt participate at all. I just find it very sad that someone would ruin the DP community like this. I sent a msg to a moderator about it.

[chicnstu]

Don't worry about jibbyjabby, the ones who have to tap themselves on their shoulder to tell anyone (and themselves) how great they are, the less self-esteem they have.
and chickenstu is simple enough to go along with him (no mind of your own then?)

So because I agreed with someone, I am stupid and can't think for myself? Just because someone thinks of something then says it first doesn't mean other people can't come up with it on their own.

[DigitalSpace]

I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather play a PS3 than read this thread any further. Also,