Whiney gamers ruin it for Hardcore gamers.

[BHvrd]

I was thinking today about the state of current gaming, and how in ways it could be much more enjoyable and immersive. I think back to the days of news reports of how some gamers would literally "track" other players in real life cause of things done to them "in game". I also have seen many fights break out over gaming as well. I was in a Bases Loaded championship back in the day and saw one guy break another guys nose cause he lost the playoff spot.

Gaming is just like any other sport, some are better than others, but it's a very young sport and people are still vastly under educated and almost even catered to because of this lack of being able to control their emotions. So who pays? We as videogamers do! When in real life someone can't excel in a certain aspect of life they generally "move on" and find something more suited to their abilities. So why in gaming do we constantly cater to these whiney gamers?

I think i'm in a vast majority, but one that just doesn't speak up enough. We as hardcore gamers have to start saying, hey, that's enough. Stop marketing in catering to every demographic and start catering to the majority. If the majority is people who don't like dangerous environments with consequences then I may just have to bow out myself, and I will. I would say people need to learn the difference between a virtual world and the real world. Each can have their own consequences, but in no way should one overlap the other.

I bring this up cause I recently started playing Eve Online again, and it seems that the whiney gamers have won again. People were givin snowball launchers as a christmas gift 2 years ago, and some complained cause they thought they were "really" being attacked in game, therefore being shot down by concord cause they would retaliate. So much for building character I guess. HELLO ITS A SNOWBALL! It's your fault if your so stupid to not realize.

It just seems to me the gaming industry has some great ideas, but they are constantly halted cause of these gamers who can't deal with the way it is designed, games are constantly "dumbed down" cause I believe the video game company feels responsible of the consequences considering how some gamers have taken in game consequences into the real world. Hopefully the majority of gamers nowadays are waking up and realizing that, it's just a game.

So many seem to want their games to be so vanilla......well not me, I like feeling challenged. Ever wonder why you get so bored with so many online games nowadays? That's why. There may be challenges "in game", but nothing compares to a challenge from a real person or feels the same.

If I wanted that kind of entertainment I would go outside and play with a rock, wait....maybe that would even be more fun.

[Trebuken]

I think I generally agree. Too many games (not all, or even most) are trying to appeal to a larger and larger number of people and are becoming watered down.

Oblivion (I loved this game, but...) was not as hardcore as Morrowind. It was intentionally made accessible to more people; I think I would have liked it more if it weren't.

The Wii is the extreme example of this, but Nintendo must do this to maintain competition with the more powerful 360 and PS3.

Many games aren't like this though. God Of War 2, was pretty much no nonsense for example. Your immediately plunged into the battle with the Collosos of Rhodes which was no small thing...

I also find the Tom Clancy games tough to jump into without previous experience...

I think you different franchises and developers take different approaches so it might be wise for us to identify the ones that identify more with us...

[neuropolitique]

"hardcore" gamers are not a majority of the population. They are, however, usually the ones whining.

[Nintendo Gamer]

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[Lil_John]

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[Richter Belmount]

Yeeeaaaahh!!!!!

Lil john < wilford brimley

[Push Upstairs]

I thought hardcore gamers = the whiney gamers.

Yeeeaaaahh!!!!!

And now you show up!

I needed you days ago and you failed me.

"WHAAAAT?"

FAILED ME!

[Captain Wrong]

"hardcore" gamers are not a majority of the population. They are, however, usually the ones whining.

winnar

[MegaDrive20XX]

So should we hang'em?

[GrayFox]

We can't let everyone have fun?

Huh.

[boatofcar]

So should we hang'em?

The hardcore gamers? Absolutely.

[Jorpho]

Gaming is just like any other sport

No. Gaming is not a sport. Call it a "competitive activity" if you like, but please don't ever call it a sport.

The rest of your post seems to make no clear differentiation between single-player games and massively multiplayer (or at least generally multiplayer) games. In the former case, I would not say hardcore players are necessarily in the vast majority. In the latter case, the hardcore players are probably also the whiney-ist, because they're the ones who have invested the most time and are the most likely to object when something changes that is not to their liking.

[scooterb23]

The more I hear about what it takes to be a "hardcore" gamer, the more I'm glad I'm not one.

[Kamino]

I'm way too fucked up to figure this out.
Blah.

[Fuyukaze]

The more I hear about what it takes to be a "hardcore" gamer, the more I'm glad I'm not one.

Let's form a non hardcore gaming club. If this is what it takes to be "hardcore", I want to be softcore.

[Nesmaster]

Let's form a non hardcore gaming club. If this is what it takes to be "hardcore", I want to be softcore.

Softcore gamers ftw.

[BHvrd]

No. Gaming is not a sport. Call it a "competitive activity" if you like, but please don't ever call it a sport.

The rest of your post seems to make no clear differentiation between single-player games and massively multiplayer (or at least generally multiplayer) games. In the former case, I would not say hardcore players are necessarily in the vast majority. In the latter case, the hardcore players are probably also the whiney-ist, because they're the ones who have invested the most time and are the most likely to object when something changes that is not to their liking.

You make a good point honestly. I would say mostly massively multiplayer as those change more frequently, but single player as well. I think it's when they try to "reach out" to other consumers more than focus on their major demograph either way though.

You can say the Hardcore gamers are the most whiney, but honestly most major changes only happen cause they don't focus on the main user base so in theory you can say it's cause they didn't whine enough. It really comes down to the developer though and as things are showing more and more, people just aren't supporting this bullshit anymore.

I blame lack of focus from the devlopers more than anything, and honestly I think alot of that comes from many factors from complaints, to laziness to just plain greed. Gaming is becoming pure again I think "at least for me", but I think it's time we as gamers become more educated and learn from our mistakes.

Niche gaming is important to me and I realize this more than ever, and I think alot of developers do as well. I don't think gamers should ruin an experience for someone else is what i'm saying I guess, plus the market is bigt enough these days that people can move along and find a new niche instead of staying in one and just constantly bitching about it.

Really you could say this post in mainly about how i've learned this lesson myself about moving along instead of ruining things for other people, and maybe someone else can take this and think about it themselves.

I stand by the point of people taking things into the real world though, that's how crazy it can get, move along, move along, you can't control everything.

[Iron Draggon]

No. Gaming is not a sport. Call it a "competitive activity" if you like, but please don't ever call it a sport.

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport... I just wish that pro gaming and the industry as a whole wasn't totally dominated by FPS... FUCK FPS... give all the other genres an equal share of the big prize money and send all the fraggers back to hell where they came from... fraggers are the same fucktards who play paintball... too much of a pussy to fight a real war in the real world, so they play pretend war all the time instead of putting all those skills to good use in the military... or maybe they just suck too bad to have any real world skills... either way, they fucking suck... blowing $1000's on hardware just to play fake war... and it pisses me off that the industry caters to them all and places them all on a pedestal for it... they all suck, and they all should have to go fight a real war in the real world for big prize money, if they wanna get paid for bullshit! FPS is the bane of all gaming...

[sabre2922]

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport... I just wish that pro gaming and the industry as a whole wasn't totally dominated by FPS... FUCK FPS... give all the other genres an equal share of the big prize money and send all the fraggers back to hell where they came from... fraggers are the same fucktards who play paintball... too much of a pussy to fight a real war in the real world, so they play pretend war all the time instead of putting all those skills to good use in the military... or maybe they just suck too bad to have any real world skills... either way, they fucking suck... blowing $1000's on hardware just to play fake war... and it pisses me off that the industry caters to them all and places them all on a pedestal for it... they all suck, and they all should have to go fight a real war in the real world for big prize money, if they wanna get paid for bullshit! FPS is the bane of all gaming...

agreed

MOST of these ppl are the most closed minded of any gamers even more so than those that call themselves "hardcore" the FPS/HALO fanatics are the ones that ONLY buy the Sports games the GTAs and of course drool over anything that even remotely resembles a HALO type game so that they can hate on it and claim Halo as the savior of videogames as we know it and nothing came before it and nothing will ever exist after it

[Jorpho]

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport...

(Can you, just for once, end a sentence with ONE SINGLE PERIOD? I'd like to see that.)

That is horrible logic. Shall we call poker, billiards, and Monopoly sports as well, and put them in the same category as soccer and football?

I would say FPSs dominate pro gaming simply because there is no other genre which has an equally strong multiplayer aspect. The exception is of course RTS games, which dominate pro gaming much, much more than FPSs in some areas. Watching two people face off over Final Fantasy XII would lack the same thrill, I suspect.