Prediction: The Xbox won't age well as a console.

[Lord of the Files]

The PS2 will probably be the system least remembered. It's a fragile piece of garbage that breaks at the drop of a hat, it's got the worst versions of multiplatform titles, and the controller is a pile of ass.

Wrong. Right, but insignificant. Wrong.

The Xbox DVD drive is notorious for breaking down.

Multiplatform titles? Yeah, Madden on Xbox blows all others out of the water. The GTA games were better on Xbox...when they finally came out. The only reason to pull the multiplatform card is because the Xbox exclusive list is pretty weak. Real weak.

The "pile of ass" comment is just plain stupid. The controllers on the PS2, Xbox, and GC were all serviceable. Of course we all have our preferences, and your mileage may vary based on what game you're playing.

[Rob2600]

Not with ya on this one. ... I'd put my money on the GC as being the odd one out.

I disagree:

1. How could the GameCube be the odd one out with huge hits like Super Smash Bros. Melee, Animal Crossing, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, and all of the Zelda and Mario games (Golf, Tennis, Strikers, Party, Sunshine, etc.)?

2. GameCube games have some of the quickest load times I've ever seen.

3. I think the design of the GameCube will age better than that of the Xbox. I always found the Xbox to be cheap looking. Maybe it's the glossy black plastic that gets scratched too easily. It's also far too large.

4. The GameCube is more durable. YouTube - crash test consoles (xbox, ps2, gc) and YouTube - Console Damage Test!

5. The GameCube had the best version of Soulcalibur II.

6. Beach Spikers is far better than Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

7. Kabuki Warriors.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I disagree:

1. How could the GameCube be the odd one out with huge hits like Super Smash Bros. Melee, Animal Crossing, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, and all of the Zelda and Mario games (Golf, Tennis, Strikers, Party, Sunshine, etc.)?

2. GameCube games have some of the quickest load times I've ever seen.

3. I think the design of the GameCube will age better than that of the Xbox. I always found the Xbox to be cheap looking. Maybe it's the glossy black plastic that gets scratched too easily. It's also far too large.

4. The GameCube is more durable. YouTube - crash test consoles (xbox, ps2, gc) and YouTube - Console Damage Test!

5. The GameCube had the best version of Soulcalibur II.

6. Beach Spikers is far better than Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

7. Kabuki Warriors.

We'll agree to disagree on this one. PS2 was definitely the winner of the last generation- to which there is very little argument about. But from my standpoint as far as features go and my own playing habits- The XBOX has seen a lot more mileage for me. Not saying the GC had less great titles- but one of the major draws of the GC was the Nintendo IP's- which I haven't gotten into since SNES and some of the N64 days. In fact the main reason I bought a GC was the resident evil games. I am aware of the vast amount of great titles, superior loading times, superior graphical capabilities, and the higher amount of magical fairy dust the GC has...

...But give me an HD (so I don't have to worry juggling memory cards), good FPS selection, a few good WRPGs (including the exclusive Star Wars titles), superior versions of most Tom Clancy titles, any GTA titles, and Half Life 2- and I'll be set.

I should have known better than to take Nintendo mafia bait. But it's really my fault for saying something negative about the Gamecube. But come on, the older I get the less I want to play: Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, Pokemon, Warrio, Luigi, or Yoshi based games. I don't dispute they're fun- but they're not me right now.

And while I'm pissing people off- I don't like anime either and JRPG's are mostly long interactive anime movies... and XBOX had fewer of those than any other systems. Which is another reason I like the XBOX. Big hair, large eyes, and too many cute grunts freak me out.

[Rob2600]

give me an HD (so I don't have to worry juggling memory cards), good FPS selection, a few good WRPGs (including the exclusive Star Wars titles), superior versions of most Tom Clancy titles, any GTA titles, and Half Life 2- and I'll be set.

I guess that's why I like the GameCube better: I'm not into first-person shooters, RPG's, Tom Clancy titles, GTA titles, or Half Life. I'm into arcade-style games (Beach Spikers, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Wario Ware, Burnout 2, Soulcalibur II, Wave Race: Blue Storm, etc.).

If Nintendo ever releases a new home Star Fox game that's as great as Star Fox 64, I'll be set!

[Xizer]

Wrong. Right, but insignificant. Wrong.

The Xbox DVD drive is notorious for breaking down.

Multiplatform titles? Yeah, Madden on Xbox blows all others out of the water. The GTA games were better on Xbox...when they finally came out. The only reason to pull the multiplatform card is because the Xbox exclusive list is pretty weak. Real weak.

The "pile of ass" comment is just plain stupid. The controllers on the PS2, Xbox, and GC were all serviceable. Of course we all have our preferences, and your mileage may vary based on what game you're playing.

When it comes to consoles, any title that was released on the PS2 or GameCube that was also released on the Xbox is going to be the superior version. Quit trolling. And of all the multiplatform games to pick to claim is the Xbox's only good multiplatform title, Madden? Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

Also, I don't know what planet you're living on, but the only DVD drives in the Xbox that are notorious for breaking down are the Thomson ones in the very early models. The PS2, on the other hand, was a Disc Read Error machine until the slim came out.

[boatofcar]

Quit trolling.

Oh, the irony.

[Moo Cow]

When it comes to consoles, any title that was released on the PS2 or GameCube that was also released on the Xbox is going to be the superior version. Quit trolling. And of all the multiplatform games to pick to claim is the Xbox's only good multiplatform title, Madden? Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

Also, I don't know what planet you're living on, but the only DVD drives in the Xbox that are notorious for breaking down are the Thomson ones in the very early models. The PS2, on the other hand, was a Disc Read Error machine until the slim came out.

Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's trolling.
Look at the NES> Notorious for breaking down and sitll remembered fondly.

[Push Upstairs]

Custom soundtracks are a gift from the heavens.

[j_factor]

I actually like all 4 last-gen consoles quite a bit. The bottom line is the games, and Xbox had some great ones. I don't like sports games, Halo, racing sims, or most western RPGs. A lot of people think that the Xbox library begins and ends with those games, but I've enjoyed a lot of other Xbox games. Although, it's not entirely true that multiplatform games were always better on Xbox. That's true for the majority of games, but there are quite a few exceptions.

Also, some of the praises given to Xbox are kind of weak. High def support? Xbox's HD support was very, very uneven. It has games that go all the way up to 1080i, but then it has a very large number of games that don't go beyond 480i. I don't understand why about 95% of Dreamcast games can do 480p but for Gamecube and Xbox that percentage is much smaller (and PS2 is pathetic).

[Leo_A]

Also, some of the praises given to Xbox are kind of weak. High def support? Xbox's HD support was very, very uneven. It has games that go all the way up to 1080i, but then it has a very large number of games that don't go beyond 480i. I don't understand why about 95% of Dreamcast games can do 480p but for Gamecube and Xbox that percentage is much smaller (and PS2 is pathetic).

I bet percentage wise, they're very comparable. Only 2 out of my 30 GameCube games can't do 480p for example. And nearly all of my Xbox collection can do at least 480p. Not including the Playstation 2 of course, I don't think more than maybe 20% of my collection has progressive scan support there.

[j_factor]

I bet percentage wise, they're very comparable. Only 2 out of my 30 GameCube games can't do 480p for example. And nearly all of my Xbox collection can do at least 480p. Not including the Playstation 2 of course, I don't think more than maybe 20% of my collection has progressive scan support there.

Are there Gamecube/Xbox games that support progressive scan / HDTV without having the appropriate icon on the back? Only 9 of my 44 US Gamecube games are marked as progressive scan compatible. Similarly, just 19 of my 47 Xbox games are marked as HDTV.

[Lord of the Files]

When it comes to consoles, any title that was released on the PS2 or GameCube that was also released on the Xbox is going to be the superior version. Quit trolling. And of all the multiplatform games to pick to claim is the Xbox's only good multiplatform title, Madden? Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

I didn't choose Madden as the Xbox's only good multiplatform title. It was just the first example that came to mind of (a) a game that came out for all 3 systems and (b) a game that no one will care about in the long run. Kind of like all the Need for Speeds and Medal of Honors of the world. I mean, I'm supposed to be impressed because Xbox had the best version of Need for Speed? If not, what is that great multiplatform title that the Xbox had the best version of?

And when you say "superior" version, how "superior" are we talking here? There's a big difference between Donkey Kong on the VCS and Donkey Kong on the Colecovision. Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?

Also, I don't know what planet you're living on, but the only DVD drives in the Xbox that are notorious for breaking down are the Thomson ones in the very early models. The PS2, on the other hand, was a Disc Read Error machine until the slim came out.

I live on the planet where the PS2 I bought in 2002 has outlived 2 Xboxes and one Xbox 360. With 100s of hours more play time and DVD use.

Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

Madden is "a piece of shit" and the PS2 controller is "a pile of ass". Why do I find your ability to communicate an informed, reasoned opinion a bit suspect?

[roushimsx]

Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?

Depends on how much you care about slightly better graphics, much improved save times, and quicker load times. Slightly quicker load times, smoother framerates and drastically improved save times are three of the most common upgrades games would get in the Xbox releases, though there's other games (like Fatal Frame II and Burnout 2) that'd receive additional content that would never see release back on PS2 or Gamecube (though some would get ported back to PS2 in subsequent rereleases, such as MGS2 and Silent Hill 2).

Save times on the Gamecube are extremely peppy on average, but on PS2 they can be agonizingly slow. Thank god some games (like Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, and Sly Cooper) find creative ways to hide the loading/saving times, because even on smaller saves it's a pain in the ass.

Framerates can be spotty in PS2 and Gamecube versions of multiplatform games (particularly because most of them used the PS2 version as the basis for the GC version), though a couple of games came away looking really good (Gamecube version of Beyond Good & Evil and I hear the Gamecube version of Warrior Within?). Still, the majority were smoother are the Xbox.

Are there Gamecube/Xbox games that support progressive scan / HDTV without having the appropriate icon on the back?

Yes, but for the life of me I can't remember any examples off hand. It's something I didn't pay too much attention to since I never could get my dick beaters on a set of Gamecube component cables.

[Xizer]

I didn't choose Madden as the Xbox's only good multiplatform title. It was just the first example that came to mind of (a) a game that came out for all 3 systems and (b) a game that no one will care about in the long run. Kind of like all the Need for Speeds and Medal of Honors of the world. I mean, I'm supposed to be impressed because Xbox had the best version of Need for Speed? If not, what is that great multiplatform title that the Xbox had the best version of?

And when you say "superior" version, how "superior" are we talking here? There's a big difference between Donkey Kong on the VCS and Donkey Kong on the Colecovision. Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?



I live on the planet where the PS2 I bought in 2002 has outlived 2 Xboxes and one Xbox 360. With 100s of hours more play time and DVD use.



Madden is "a piece of shit" and the PS2 controller is "a pile of ass". Why do I find your ability to communicate an informed, reasoned opinion a bit suspect?

I fail to see how my opinion isn't informed or reasoned. As someone who has used both a PS2 controller and played Madden, I am entitled to the opinion that one of them is a "pile of ass" and the other one is a "piece of shit."


What is the great multiplatform title the Xbox has the best version of? Hmm, let's see...

-Any driving game
-Any shooter
-Beyond Good & Evil
-Grand Theft Auto series
-I-Ninja
-Metal Gear Solid 2
-Mortal Kombat and other fighting series
-Prince of Persia
-Psychonauts
-Sonic series
-Star Wars games
-Tony Hawk series

[Lord of the Files]

What is the great multiplatform title the Xbox has the best version of? Hmm, let's see...

-Any driving game
-Any shooter
-Beyond Good & Evil
-Grand Theft Auto series
-I-Ninja
-Metal Gear Solid 2
-Mortal Kombat and other fighting series
-Prince of Persia
-Psychonauts
-Sonic series
-Star Wars games
-Tony Hawk series

I'm still not seeing THE great multiplatform title that blew all others out of the water. Sonic series, honestly? Mortal Kombat? Say wasn't Rogue Leader a Gamecube game? By any shooter you mean like Gradius 5 or Ikaruga? Oh, never mind.

Microsoft's legacy in gaming:

-Halo
-XBLA
-broken stuff

[roushimsx]

Microsoft's legacy in gaming:

-Halo
-XBLA
-broken stuff

Somehow you're completely forgetting Mechwarrior 3, Crimson Skies (and its sequel), Forza Motorsport, Ages of Empires series, Close Combat series, Midtown Madness series, acquisition and dissolving of Digital Anvil, acquisition and dissolving of Access (makers of the best golf series ever), securing major exclusive games from Epic (Gears of War, Unreal Championship 2), and multiple other highlights.

But sure, you can just be a biased outsider and highlight that they published Halo, rolled out XBLA, and completely fucked up the Xbox360 hardware design in an attempt to be first to the market. I mean, who really cares about what Microsoft has actually done as a publisher or even in the realm of PC operating systems (DirectX was an eventual godsend after a few rocky releases)?

[Lord of the Files]

But sure, you can just be a biased outsider and highlight that they published Halo, rolled out XBLA, and completely fucked up the Xbox360 hardware design in an attempt to be first to the market.

A biased outsider or an average consumer. Pull the average Joe off the street and ask him what MS has done for gaming....I think you'll more likely hear about Halo or his brother's dead 360 than Direct X.

But if you wish to accuse me of being biased because I've paid for 3 systems that ended up dying in less than a year, you're probably right.

Putting aside all arguments about software, I have to agree with the OP simply because I doubt very many original Xboxes will still be working in 5 years.

[Xizer]

I'm still not seeing THE great multiplatform title that blew all others out of the water. Sonic series, honestly? Mortal Kombat? Say wasn't Rogue Leader a Gamecube game? By any shooter you mean like Gradius 5 or Ikaruga? Oh, never mind.

Microsoft's legacy in gaming:

-Halo
-XBLA
-broken stuff

Okay guys, just trust me on this one. Ignore this guy. He's a 4-post troller. It's pretty sad that someone would take the time to troll the original Xbox but I guess some people are fortunate enough to have lives where they have incredible amounts of free time at their disposal.

[Lord of the Files]

Okay guys, just trust me on this one. Ignore this guy. He's a 4-post troller. It's pretty sad that someone would take the time to troll the original Xbox but I guess some people are fortunate enough to have lives where they have incredible amounts of free time at their disposal.

That's pretty funny. It's obvious from the responses to you calling me a "troll" earlier that you are the resident forum dunce. Every message board's got one.

A taste of your own medicine, perhaps?

[Push Upstairs]

Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?

I chose the XBOX version simply for the custom soundtrack, but then I already knew what I wanted to use for music before I even got the game.