Composite vs. RGB vs. S-Video vs. Component vs. HDMI vs. RF vs. VGA

[Gavica]

That's good. Did you test several? Because on mine a few actually do work, but the majority doesn't.

What kind of TV do you have. I wonder if it's one that's OK with low res component. I wish I had another way to test this thing. Man I wish it would have worked on the LCD, it would have been beautiful.

tested 2 games, worked when I hooked it up thru my receiver (that outputs to the TV via HDMI) and also when I hooked it up directly to the TV.

Its a 46inch Sony, about 3 years old

KDL 46v2500


http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KD.../dp/B000HGSL4E

[Oldskool]

Ahh good ole' Sony. Can't go wrong with that. Mines just a cheap Polaroid I got for $598 on Black Friday a couple of years ago. I guess I should expect it to not have that feature.

[otaku]

I tend to go for the best connection I can case in point my ps3 is HDMI

[Zapf]

tested 2 games, worked when I hooked it up thru my receiver (that outputs to the TV via HDMI) and also when I hooked it up directly to the TV.

Its a 46inch Sony, about 3 years old

KDL 46v2500


http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KD.../dp/B000HGSL4E

The tv is probably not being actually tested for 240p stuff here, since your reciever is the one taking in and converting (at least analog to digital, dont know about if you have it set to do any upscaling) your ps2's signal to hdmi.

[Gavica]

The tv is probably not being actually tested for 240p stuff here, since your reciever is the one taking in and converting (at least analog to digital, dont know about if you have it set to do any upscaling) your ps2's signal to hdmi.

I also tested it directly to the tv and it worked

[Zapf]

totally missed that part, my bad =/

[Gavica]

I have one of those 3 in 1 S-Video Cables (SNES/GC - Dreamcast - Xbox 1) and it works great, the quality of the picture of great on svideo on my snes, no issues there.

So Lately I've been thinking of doing the rgb/scart to component thing for my consoles.

I went ahead and first bought this cable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Then I bought this thing so I could get the Audio out of the cable

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

The last step was to buy the rgb/scart to component coverter which I haven't yet.


So in the meantime I wanted to test if the rgb/scart cable worked so I used it with that adapter, which you can see from the pics it has S-Video out.
So I did, the problem is the colors and quality looked poor, like a cheap RF signal.
So I was wondering, could it be because the rgb/scart cable I bought was a cheap piece of crap?
I would of thought that the Picture Quality would of been the same as with my regular S-Video 3in1 cable.


I am no afraid to buy the component adapater and wasting like $50 if the quality will look bad.

[Gavica]

Here is Pic, first one is with 3in1 S-Video



Second with the rgb/scart to svideo

[The Manimal]

Oh yeah, Odin Sphere looks BEAUTIFUL on my PS2 using Component cables to the LCD tv.

One thing I noticed though, if I try to play PS1 games on my PS2 using the component cables, half the time the graphics are all messed up on the screen. Not sure what's going on there.

On my normal PS1 (phat) I use the official Sony S-Video cable and it looks fantastic. Symphony of the Night in component looks NICE.

One thing I don't understand, why are people composite and even S-Video modding their old Atari 2600/5200/7800? How much better can a block really look? Never understood that. I do understand not having RF interference on the screen though. My Radio Shack switch box is horrible about that. I am gonna pick up one of those RCA ---> RF pass through adapters. Supposed to clean it up quite a bit I hear.

The RF video output on those Ataris is awful.

[Ed Oscuro]

rgb/scart to svideo

What? How is this actually connected?

And three cheers for s-video with 480p and lower resolutions. It's not RGB but it's generally been good enough for me - heh, I gamed with three-jack composite for years so just getting rid of dot crawl was good enough for me.

[Gavica]

What? How is this actually connected?

And three cheers for s-video with 480p and lower resolutions. It's not RGB but it's generally been good enough for me - heh, I gamed with three-jack composite for years so just getting rid of dot crawl was good enough for me.

check the scart passthru I posted, it has svideo out, but gives bad svideo

[Ed Oscuro]

Sorry, I missed that part. So that's actually simpler than I thought. I'm not sure what your options are, outside of finding a television that still has the classic SCART connector, or finding some upscaling hardware (a bit expensive).

[Gavica]

Sorry, I missed that part. So that's actually simpler than I thought. I'm not sure what your options are, outside of finding a television that still has the classic SCART connector, or finding some upscaling hardware (a bit expensive).

I just need to buy one of these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Ed Oscuro]

Have you looked into lag? That's always the killer with these devices I find.

[Zapf]

RGB -> YUV Transcoding is not going to introduce lag from what I've been told, especially not in the millisecond range (unless perhaps its a particularly terrible transcoder) . Scaling or A/D conversions are what usually introduce lag w/ converters.

edit: Fudoh update his webpage recently, it has a lot of info on converters, upscalers, etc, including some new ones on the cheap end of the spectrum you can find on ebay - http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/


edit: I would reccomend getting cables from pcenginesales on ebay - she normally sells snes rgb cables for euro snes's, but will switch out the necessary components to make it compatible with ntsc snes's if you need it. I got one of a batch of higher quality cables they had just got in, and it finally got rid of the diagonal jailbars I would get on my snes.

[Oldskool]

Yeah that's odd about the S-Video output on that pass through. There is some sort of incompatibility somewhere, obviously. I wouldn't hesitate to think that the picture would look damn near perfect with the right converter however. That's the same converter I have for the X'Eye and it looks great. I still need to take some pictures of composite vs. rgb/component on the X'Eye once I get it all hooked back up in the game room.

Maybe the cable you got was not ntsc compatible? I don't know much about the SNES running RGB, I just know that they have scart cables for it.

[skaar]

Vectorman linked this on IRC and I think it might be of interest to people in this thread:

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

A really good writeup by someone with an insane amount of time on their hands.

[Zapf]

Vectorman linked this on IRC and I think it might be of interest to people in this thread:

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

A really good writeup by someone with an insane amount of time on their hands.

look up =)


I did not know digitpress had an IRC room though, would you mind telling me the server / channel (EDIT: NM, googled it)

[skaar]

I must have missed it if you posted it Zapf - sorry.

#vbender on EFnet.