HD Retrovision High Definition Super Nintendo & Sega Genesis Component Cables

[kai123]

http://www.hdretrovision.com/


Seems cool depending on price. I am about to SCART all of my consoles and saw this on Retrocollect.

[Tanooki]

I saw that brought up yesterday. It's a fantastic cable. Whatever they did figuring out the mess that is RCA cables to bring that much clarity to an old system is just fantastic. I imagine due to the Nintendo multi-av out standard it likely will work with the N64 and dispel the need for that overpriced Gamecube cable possibly too. Still in the end, it will depend how friendly your LED tv is to that kind of cabling but it looks good. I just wish they'd put a price to it already.

[bb_hood]

If you get a scart box you can get scart cables for more than just super nintendo and sega genesis, so if these cables are pricey it might not be worth it. With a scart box you could then get scart cables for dreamcast, saturn, ps1/ps2, turbo duo, n64, and mini snes (although the mini snes, duo and N64 require mods).

[theclaw]

I saw that brought up yesterday. It's a fantastic cable. Whatever they did figuring out the mess that is RCA cables to bring that much clarity to an old system is just fantastic. I imagine due to the Nintendo multi-av out standard it likely will work with the N64 and dispel the need for that overpriced Gamecube cable possibly too. Still in the end, it will depend how friendly your LED tv is to that kind of cabling but it looks good. I just wish they'd put a price to it already.

This won't work on N64 or Gamecube.

It's based on a micro-sized RGB to component encoder. http://www.hdretrovision.com/blog/20...ble-difference

[Pikkon]

Also most of hd tv's will not support 240p over component.


If you modded a n64 for rgb there cable should work,also a pal gamecube should work as well as it outputs rgb out of the box.

[Leo_A]

This won't work on Gamecube.

Even if it could, I doubt it would've been able to be utilized with 480p thanks to the video encoder that converts the digital signal to analog being embedded into the GCN's component cable instead of the system itself.

Edit: I really need to get out of the habit of replying before finishing reading a thread...

[Tanooki]

Well that clears that up, have zero interest in it. My stock SNES already looks sharp by sheer luck of it on the TV I have without that fuzzy blur in their examples and with it doing nothing to help the other systems I wouldn't take a free one. More power to anyone who wants it and could benefit though.

[Leo_A]

Will this erase the quality differences between different Genesis revisions and their video encoders?

And when connected to a 32X, will Genesis games output as they would if the cable was connected to the console directly? Or does the crossover cable not carry the RGB signals over to the 32X?

[RP2A03]

I imagine due to the Nintendo multi-av out standard it likely will work with the N64 and dispel the need for that overpriced Gamecube cable possibly too.

The cables are taking an analog RGB signal and converting it to YPbPr. The N64 and SNES 2 do not output RGB without modification, and only the PAL GCN will output RGB. The GCN digital output sends out a digital signal that is then converted to YPbPr by a proprietary chip built into the cable.

[Tupin]

Wouldn't a Sony PVM with real RGB be better than this?

[WCP]

Wouldn't a Sony PVM with real RGB be better than this?

yep.



I've got a rgb to component transcoder, the Kramer FC-14. It will take analog RGB and convert it to component, but the thing that many people don't take into consideration, is that sometimes the resolution that these systems put out, can't be recognized by certain modern day HDTV's. I have a Samsung plasma that won't sync with certain old school resolutions.

Also, sometimes the screen aspect ratio thing can be off a bit whenever you try to convert analog RGB to component.

[wizardofwor1975]

http://www.hdretrovision.com/


Seems cool depending on price. I am about to SCART all of my consoles and saw this on Retrocollect.

I'm in. I'd love to play games on my Genny like Sunset Riders, Golden Axe, and Battletech with that kinda vid quality. Thanks for the link.

[Gatucaman]

http://www.hdretrovision.com/


Seems cool depending on price. I am about to SCART all of my consoles and saw this on Retrocollect.

From the site

NOTE: Our component cables only output Standard Definition video. No High Definition signals are directly available through our cables. See our FAQ for more details.

Yeah, no Misleading bait scam or anything gaiisss

[Leo_A]

They seem to be positioning this primarily for those playing on HDTV's, despite the fact that most late model CRT's manufactured in the 2000's had component inputs (Even small budget 13" sets). In that context, I don't think it's misleading or trying to imply that this will deliver an HD picture to your tv from your Sega Genesis or Super Nintendo.

But it will deliver a picture that will be superior and more suitable for upscaling to HD.

[theclaw]

The elephant in the room is HDTV models that don't accept 240p from component.

[Tanooki]

I thought all modern TVs still had a set of plugs in back that did handle the 240p signal. The one I got back in March handles it quite nicely.

[Eternal Champion]

How exactly can they get Ypbpr component video from the composite output? Unless there's magic in the aether that I was not aware of, the original video signal is already degraded, as chrominence and luminence are combined. The only way to get component video from these consoles is to take the RGB signal and convert it, which is not something a cable can do.
I smell snake oil.

[Gentlegamer]

I thought all modern TVs still had a set of plugs in back that did handle the 240p signal. The one I got back in March handles it quite nicely.

I think the problem is many TVs don't accept low res through VGA. My cheap Visio can display old systems through composite (with bad lag), but won't accept Dreamcast through VGA because the resolution is too low. I don't know how component video would play into it.

[RP2A03]

The elephant in the room is HDTV models that don't accept 240p from component.

They claim that the problem "is becoming increasingly rare with newer sets". It is, however, a moot point for those of us who still use CRTs.

The only way to get component video from these consoles is to take the RGB signal and convert it, which is not something a cable can do.

It can if it has an encoder chip embedded inside which can be powered by the 5v output provided by the AV jack.

[Leo_A]

They claim that the problem "is becoming increasingly rare with newer sets". It is, however, a moot point for those of us who still use CRTs.

And for those playing on modern HDTV's that want the best possible picture quality, I'd argue that it's also not really much of a real problem.

Many have already upgraded their HDTV once or twice at this point to something more modern and less likely to have this problem as scalers have become more robust (And it was never anywhere close to a universal issue... I remember plenty of people posting that they were able to play Ico on their PS2 via component to their HDTV just fine every time someone popped up with a question about what was going on when they couldn't get a picture on their new tv 8-10 years ago).

And getting the best picture possible out of your classic console is something nobody will ever get close to just with the built-in scaling chip of their tv via a composite video connection. For those considering such a cable as this with their modern HDTV in mind and have high video standards, they likely either already own something like the XRGB Mini, or it's at least on their wishlist along with accessories like these.