Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 23

Thread: Xbox 360 should now be the start of Modern Gaming - PlayStation 2, GCN, XBOX = Classic Gaming

  1. #1
    Peach (Level 3) parallaxscroll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    752
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2
    Thanked in
    2 Posts
    PSN
    Parallax-Scroll

    Default Xbox 360 should now be the start of Modern Gaming - PlayStation 2, GCN, XBOX = Classic Gaming

    Classic Gaming - "Before Xbox 360" now going all the way upto PlayStation 2 - GameCube - original XBOX ... Those three consoles are 15 to 16 years old, as of 2015-2016.

    Modern Gaming - From Xbox 360 to the present!

    Discuss.

  2. #2
    Strawberry (Level 2) Custom rank graphic
    FoxNtd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA/米国
    Posts
    563
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2
    Thanked in
    2 Posts

    Default

    Don't we have a thread about this at least once in the past already? It's a problem of age versus style. You can ask the same question for music. Do you slowly keep piling more bands into "classic rock" just because their old albums reach 20, or 30 years of age? Or do you never expand the genre of classic rock because it's a style not simply age.

  3. #3
    Pretzel (Level 4) Gamevet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    991
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3
    Thanked in
    3 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxNtd View Post
    Don't we have a thread about this at least once in the past already? It's a problem of age versus style. You can ask the same question for music. Do you slowly keep piling more bands into "classic rock" just because their old albums reach 20, or 30 years of age? Or do you never expand the genre of classic rock because it's a style not simply age.
    There's a lot of bands from the 80s that don't get radio air time because they will never be considered classic. It's a shame.

  4. #4
    Super Moderator Moderator
    Custom rank graphic
    Aussie2B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    8,714
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    7
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    90
    Thanked in
    71 Posts

    Default

    Honestly, I think it's less a point of contention and more a matter of the few people who have the ability to change the forum descriptions not being around and not caring to update them. Personally, I see the Modern Gaming section for discussing current gen stuff and Classic Gaming for everything older. In practically, that's usually how it boils down. Now, do I personally see, say, the PS3 as "classic" or "retro"? That's a different matter, but it's not of great concern of me which systems "deserve" these titles and which don't, anyway. I find that argument often comes down to elitism.

  5. #5
    FPGA arm-based system Custom rank graphic
    bb_hood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Rhode Island
    Posts
    2,061
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    39
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    18
    Thanked in
    17 Posts
    PSN
    bb_hood99

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxNtd View Post
    Don't we have a thread about this at least once in the past already? It's a problem of age versus style. You can ask the same question for music. Do you slowly keep piling more bands into "classic rock" just because their old albums reach 20, or 30 years of age? Or do you never expand the genre of classic rock because it's a style not simply age.
    Yeah I agree about the age vs style. Personally I cant consider xbox, ps2 classic gaming at all. Stuff on these systems is very much like modern games on the current consoles.

    But regarding the music topic, I think "classic rock" essentially refers to rock from a generally specific time period. I know radio stations will lump songs for whenever reason and call it classic rock, but you can really disect rock into many catagories. Like music from the 80s and 90s is much more accurately classified as something else.

  6. #6
    ServeBot (Lɘvel 11) RP2A03's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    59 6F 75 72 20 48 44 44 20 61 64 64 69 6E 67 20 65 6D 62 61 72 72 61 73 73 69 6E 67 20 64 61 74 61
    Posts
    3,548
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by parallaxscroll View Post
    Classic Gaming - "Before Xbox 360" now going all the way upto PlayStation 2 - GameCube - original XBOX ... Those three consoles are 15 to 16 years old, as of 2015-2016.

    Modern Gaming - From Xbox 360 to the present!

    Discuss.
    You do realize that is a big undertaking, right? Unless you want PS2, GCN, and Xbox topics in two different forums, thousands of threads will need to be combed through and moved to Classic Gaming.
    Mario says "... if you do drugs, you go to hell before you die."

  7. #7
    Apple (Level 5) eskobar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Monterrey, Mexico
    Posts
    1,032
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    3
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5
    Thanked in
    4 Posts

    Default

    Dreamcast has definitely a more classic feel on the games released for the console. PS2 and beyond there was a clear "evolution" of the genres and the classic style changed and has more in common with current trends than classic trends.
    Las calles no son basurero, POR FAVOR TIREN LA BASURA EN SU LUGAR !!!!

  8. #8
    Pretzel (Level 4) Gamevet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    991
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3
    Thanked in
    3 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bb_hood View Post

    But regarding the music topic, I think "classic rock" essentially refers to rock from a generally specific time period. I know radio stations will lump songs for whenever reason and call it classic rock, but you can really disect rock into many catagories. Like music from the 80s and 90s is much more accurately classified as something else.
    They just pick a few bands from that era and allow them to be played, but throw the rest aside. You'll hear Def Leppard, J Geils Band and DLR Van Halen, but no Haggar, MSG, Krokus or Tesla. I have to go to the more modern rock stations to hear the likes of Judas Priest and Motley Crue.

  9. #9
    ServBot (Level 11) Slate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    3,627
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    50
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    4 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxNtd View Post
    Don't we have a thread about this at least once in the past already? It's a problem of age versus style. You can ask the same question for music. Do you slowly keep piling more bands into "classic rock" just because their old albums reach 20, or 30 years of age? Or do you never expand the genre of classic rock because it's a style not simply age.
    When I first joined here "Modern Gaming" was PS2/Xbox/Gamecube/Game Boy Advance/Nintendo DS and that was 2005. I'd like to think that generation is no longer "Modern" (as in "Current") since it's literally two generations of consoles in the past and are there any Walmarts around selling PS2 games this long past its prime? Plus, demand's low and the market's saturated on games from two game generations ago so the prices are dirt cheap in yard sales. Hey, I've even seen Xbox 360s, one generation newer, for $10 that I passed on. I don't know if they worked or not but still, example.

    - Austin

  10. #10
    Pear (Level 6) retroman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    MD
    Posts
    1,260
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2
    Thanked in
    2 Posts
    Xbox LIVE
    retroman20/retroman21
    PSN
    retroman13

    Default

    Classic gaming to me is the Sega Dreamcast and back. That will always be it for me. Anything after that does not count for me.

  11. #11
    Great Puma (Level 12) Custom rank graphic
    Nature Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    K-Town
    Posts
    4,747
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Xbox LIVE
    o 8BIT 1337 o
    PSN
    jggruetz

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by retroman View Post
    Classic gaming to me is the Sega Dreamcast and back. That will always be it for me. Anything after that does not count for me.
    And for me the Dreamcast is laughable as a classic system, as anything disc based is modern IMO.

    But let's face it, they're all just dumb labels anyway. Who cares what anybody calls them?
    Time will be when the broadest river dries
    And the great cities wane and last descend
    Into the dust, for all things have an end

  12. #12
    Strawberry (Level 2) Custom rank graphic
    FoxNtd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA/米国
    Posts
    563
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2
    Thanked in
    2 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nature Boy View Post
    And for me the Dreamcast is laughable as a classic system, as anything disc based is modern IMO.

    But let's face it, they're all just dumb labels anyway. Who cares what anybody calls them?
    PC Engine and Mega Drive have CD expansions and I still consider them classic despite the storage medium used for the game software.

  13. #13
    Great Puma (Level 12) Custom rank graphic
    Nature Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    K-Town
    Posts
    4,747
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Xbox LIVE
    o 8BIT 1337 o
    PSN
    jggruetz

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxNtd View Post
    PC Engine and Mega Drive have CD expansions and I still consider them classic despite the storage medium used for the game software.
    That's nice.

    The point being it's all labels. Who cares?
    Time will be when the broadest river dries
    And the great cities wane and last descend
    Into the dust, for all things have an end

  14. #14
    16-bits, yo Custom rank graphic
    BlastProcessing402's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    1,282
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Personally I think the best cutoff is the year 2000.

  15. #15
    Crono (Level 14) Custom rank graphic

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    6,581
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7
    Thanked in
    7 Posts

    Default

    PS2 JRPGs are far better than anything released on future consoles. There's your answer. PS2 is classic. :P.

    Even if we go by style, PS2 is similar to PS1, so should PS1 be listed in modern gaming? Tomb Raider on the PSX is a fairly story driven straight forward game. Fast forward to Tomb Raider Legends on the 360 and other than better graphics, the game is pretty much identical in how the game progresses and plays. Gran Turismo has drivers licenses, you purchase cars, and you do races. Nightmare Creatures is pretty much the original form of Devil May Cry, or could even be considered a precursor to the style of games like Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne. Compare Street Fighter Alpha 3 to the newest Street Fighter titles, it hasn't progressed much more since, and in a lot of opinions, SFA3 is still the best in the series, or Marvel vs Capcom to MvC3, or Bloody Roar 1 and 2 to Bloody Roar 3.

    If it's style, then the PS1 would also be considered a modern gaming machine.
    Last edited by kupomogli; 07-22-2016 at 09:13 PM.
    Everything in the above post is opinion unless stated otherwise.

  16. #16
    Strawberry (Level 2) CRTGAMER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Southern CA
    Posts
    402
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Default

    Do we really need to categorize what is a modern game console? After all many new consoles have game titles with retro style graphics of the older era. The label is all based on one's own perception and perhaps age.

    CRTGAMER Guides and Reviews
    Apple II+, APF MP1000, Atari 5200 7800, Vic20, TI994A, SX64, Educ64, 128D, Vectrex, N64, PS1, iMac CRT, Dreamcast, PS2, Gameboy Advance, Gamecube, GBA Player, PSP, Wii, PS3 Emotion chip, Samsung Impression, VHS, CED, Video 8, Pioneer Laser, DVD, Sony WEGA HDCRT

  17. #17
    Cherry (Level 1) Guntz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    221
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Default

    I'd argue that the polygon-based games of the past 15 years have developed a plateau of sorts that should be taken into consideration here.

    Let's compare - for just a moment - the landscape of the PC. If we were in the year 2000 and you asked if a 5 year old PC could be used for every day purposes, I'd tell you not really no, there were massive jumps in power and application of that power over that short span of time. Ask the same question in 2016, I will tell you 2011 hardware is perfectly usable today for nearly any kind of every day task. Heck, I'd even argue 2006 PC hardware is still completely usable. All I use are machines from the middle of the 2000s.

    The same can be applied to our perception of modern games. Unlike previous game consoles where there were huge leaps forward in power and the application of that power, Colecovision to NES to Genesis to 3DO to PSX to N64 to DC, nowadays we are facing far shorter leaps forward. I suppose if you were really, REALLY picky, you could argue increased resolution and more polygons and better textures qualify as big leaps forward, but when you compare to what had happened previously (like going from 2D to 3D, entire genres being made possible with better hardware), it's not hard to see how short those jumps have been.

    tl;dr summary: Not much has changed between PS2 and PS4 in terms of modern vs vintage. I argue that the window for modern should increase because of that lack of change.

    Come join us on Micro-64

  18. #18
    Part of the #vbender crew Custom rank graphic
    Ze_ro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    2,517
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts
    Xbox LIVE
    Abstract Zero
    PSN
    Ze_roV
    Steam
    abstractzero

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CRTGAMER View Post
    Do we really need to categorize what is a modern game console?
    Well, this very forum has sub-forums for "Classic" and "Modern" to separate the two, which seems reason enough to discuss the difference. The forum description for Classic specifically says "before Playstation 2".

    --Zero

  19. #19
    Alex (Level 15) Custom rank graphic
    Gameguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada)
    Posts
    7,218
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    33
    Thanked in
    27 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_ro View Post
    Well, this very forum has sub-forums for "Classic" and "Modern" to separate the two, which seems reason enough to discuss the difference.
    Those sections could just be merged together, the forum isn't busy enough anymore to need separate sections for game discussions.

    My personal view, PS1 era was the last of classic gaming. N64 is on the fence either way but to me that's a modern console.

  20. #20
    ServBot (Level 11) TonyTheTiger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    3,540
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Default

    Thread topic: How old are you?

Similar Threads

  1. Classic gaming over modern gaming? What's you're stance? Video included.....
    By TheRetroVideoGameAddict in forum Classic Gaming
    Replies: 75
    Last Post: 07-23-2016, 01:08 AM
  2. XBOX ONE, PS4, etc. = The End of Classic Gaming?
    By MF_Luder in forum Classic Gaming
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 06-07-2013, 10:36 PM
  3. Is classic gaming better than modern gaming?
    By Mr.Platypus in forum Classic Gaming
    Replies: 90
    Last Post: 07-14-2009, 02:40 PM
  4. classic gaming vs modern gaming
    By Iron Draggon in forum Classic Gaming
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 12-28-2008, 01:42 PM
  5. Classic vs. Modern Gaming
    By congobongo in forum Classic Gaming
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 09-09-2004, 02:39 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •