HELP WANTED: PAL Dreamcast List (especially need UK infos)

[hydr0x]

ok here we go, as you might know, i'm the one making the (future) PAL Dreamcast List. I already have a complete list, what i'm missing are a lot of label variations/national releases and the part-numbers

first, i need some input on this question: Which code on the game is the real part-number i should use?? first i assumed it's the 820-XXXX-XX on the front cover, but that seems to be wrong. to make the problem clearer, an example:

German release of "Tee Off":

Front Cover: 820-0248-50 (the same for all european versions)
Back Cover: 820-0249-18 (german text only)
Disc: 830-0077-50 (same for all european versions)
Manual: 810-0124-18 (german text only)

pretty obvious that those are not the codes to use

than i noticed another code-format:

Disc: T-8108D-50
Back Cover/Spine : T-8108D-18
Manual: T-8108D-18
Front Cover: not there

this seems to be the correct one, though i also have got games that start with MK instead of T, no idea what this means, what i'm wanting to use is the code shown on the spine as this one represents the different releases, the one on the disc is the same for most releases as dc-games always feature all major languages or only english. Do you think i'm doing the right thing??

As my dc collection is not complete yet, i need your help, could you make a list of all pal dc games you have with the used code (the one on the spine pls). there are too many missing right now to make a list due to the fact that a lot of my games are -18 (german releases). i will make a list what's missing after the first submissions though oh and if you have enough time, pls also state which languages are on the back cover, i want to include this in the list

i think everyone who helps to complete the code-list will be mentioned as contributor on the list, haven't talked to joe about this yet though!!


oh and one last thing: Does anyone have a complete list of the sega country codes at the end, i know these:

xxxx-03 = ??
xxxx-05 = UK
xxxx-06 = Spain
xxxx-09 = France
xxxx-18 = Germany (probably also Switzerland and Austria ?????? )
xxxx-20 = Holland (?) (probably even Benelux??)
xxxx-50 = Europe-wide
^^ list taken from anagrama i think, could also be another european member of the board, sorry can't remember

xxxx-71 = ?? no idea, my vigilante 8 2nd offense has this one, it has german and english text on back cover and manual, any ideas?

[anagrama]

For the Megadrive list, I've used the codes from the spine, since it seems the most 'universal', but given your Tee Off example, it seems the manual/box were localized for Germany, while the same discs were used Europe wide.
I'd suggest using the code on the disc (xxxxx-50) as the main code, and listing regional variations in the description, but this is up to you.

Games with MK-xxxxx are 1st Party (Sega-published) games, while those starting T-xxxxx are 3rd Party games.

I'll check my 60 or so PAL games as soon as I get the chance, and let you know the details. I think I've got another couple of code variations aswell (xxxx-23, possibly others).

[hydr0x]

i'm not sure about the regional variations, we also had this discussion with the pal snes list

on the one hand is the game itself the same, but on the other hand do the boxes/covers differ (sometimes more obvious, sometimes less) and i don't want to have people search hours to find out which variations there are

[anagrama]

It seems daft to include 5 or 6 entries for a single game though. Personally, I'd list it something like this:

Tee Off Golf - Acclaim - R?/$?
T-xxxx-50. Released ?/?/??. Also released in German [T-xxxx-18] and French [T-xxxx-09] packaging.

[digitalpress]

I'll sticky this for a day or two to be sure it gets some attention from our Euro-pals.

As most of you know, we're on an inexorable, juggernaut course to produce a truly remarkable collector's guide next summer. The nature of the book (16-bit and up, all countries) will require lots of assistance. If you become a significant contributor you're pretty much guaranteed that you'll be listed on the contributors page, you may even get a copy of the book for free when it's published... but hopefully everyone can team together and add, delete... "tweak" contents so that it's just right - PERFECT - by press time.

Thanks!

[hydr0x]

thx Joe, what do you think about the region variations?

[hydr0x]

It seems daft to include 5 or 6 entries for a single game though. Personally, I'd list it something like this:

Tee Off Golf - Acclaim - R?/$?
T-xxxx-50. Released ?/?/??. Also released in German [T-xxxx-18] and French [T-xxxx-09] packaging.

mhhh the problem with this could be: there might be some games that don't have a -50 version at all, maybe all games with an -18 version don't have an -50 as -50 stands for releases in whole europe and this would include germany, but germany had his own release

[digitalpress]

thx Joe, what do you think about the region variations?

We try to keep packaging variations contained within the description of the title itself. So if the German release of a game has different box art than the one the rest of Europe got but the game is otherwise the same, this variation should be listed in the descriptive field rather than listing the whole game out again as a new entry.

Does that answer the question?

[anagrama]

Well, naturally, I'd only include the xxxx-50 variation if it appeared on the spine/disc. The Tee-Off example you used shows that the disc is universal, while it's just the box/manual that was localized.
It's probably best to gather a whole load of data first, and to then try and make sense of the details.

[hydr0x]

thx Joe, what do you think about the region variations?

We try to keep packaging variations contained within the description of the title itself. So if the German release of a game has different box art than the one the rest of Europe got but the game is otherwise the same, this variation should be listed in the descriptive field rather than listing the whole game out again as a new entry.

Does that answer the question?

yes it does, though i'm not really happy with that, you know, that rule was made when thinking of label variations between several us releases and such stuff, but those variations were all in the same country, the european variations are all releases for different countries, sometimes even with different publishers, for me personally this is a whole lot more difference than between two label variations in the US

[anagrama]

What games have different publishers?

And the way I'd look at it is like this:
[Barring extreme cases] No-one is going to try and collect EVERY PAL game in EVERY regional variation.

Someone with a complete PAL set (215 games + bleemcast etc) should be able to tick off every box in the list, therefore, each game should only be listed once in the main list, while variations should be mentioned within the text.

[hydr0x]

mhhh that's exactly my problem, i AM thinking about getting all variations

but of course you've got a good point there with the checklist, but the guide should be more than a checklist, there are enough dc checklists on the net that fit on one page, everyone can use those, the guide should not only be a checklist, it should give as much info about games and releases as there is

mh don't know an example for different publisher out of my head for dc, but for snes (that list has the region problem too) there are the Laguna games in germany, most of them had other publishers in the rest of europe

[hydr0x]

mh found two new country codes:

-53 on my Virtua Fighter (English&French&German&Spanish on box and manual)

-61 on my Wild Metal (English&Spanish&Italian on box and manual)

[hydr0x]

ok, found even more -64 and -87, i think you're right, i'll list all those variations in the description, there seem to be just too many weird ones...

what about this solution:

Tee Off Example

as part-number i'll use: T-8108D-XX (yeah with XX)

and as description: "variations: -18 (German), -50 (Rest of Europe)"

[anagrama]

what about this solution:

Tee Off Example

as part-number i'll use: T-8108D-XX (yeah with XX)

and as description: "variations: -18 (German), -50 (Rest of Europe)"

Yeah, something like that seems reasonable (to me, at least). You might want to mention whether the game itself is translated into German/French/Spanish etc. or if it's multilingual (choose language on start-up).

[hydr0x]

what about this solution:

Tee Off Example

as part-number i'll use: T-8108D-XX (yeah with XX)

and as description: "variations: -18 (German), -50 (Rest of Europe)"

Yeah, something like that seems reasonable (to me, at least). You might want to mention whether the game itself is translated into German/French/Spanish etc. or if it's multilingual (choose language on start-up).

Yeah, i've already noticed that fault thx, i changed the format:

tee off again

part-number: T-8108-50

description: "packaging variations: -18 (German), -50 (English, French and Spanish)"

if the disc itself has another code i'll list the game as an different game, i found that e.g. GTA 2 has an -18 disc and there are two GTA 2 in the list now

[Mayhem]

what about this solution:

Tee Off Example

as part-number i'll use: T-8108D-XX (yeah with XX)

Sounds good. I use the same process for the Sierra C64 cartridge releases as they follow a template, but have different numbers at the end even within the same game release. Revision, or batch numbers I don't know however.

[digitalpress]

what about this solution:

Tee Off Example

as part-number i'll use: T-8108D-XX (yeah with XX)

Sounds good. I use the same process for the Sierra C64 cartridge releases as they follow a template, but have different numbers at the end even within the same game release. Revision, or batch numbers I don't know however.

Roger that. I think this solution makes everyone happy while not over-cluttering a section with the same title again and again.

[Arrrhalomynn]

I have these dreamcast games:
http://markdegeweldenaar.spellenmark...ga%20Dreamcast

But after reading all this, I'm confused what I have to do. You want to know the code of the instructions manual, the disc and inlay of all of these?

[hydr0x]

ah our dutch friend

i hoped you'd join in here this is what i exactly need:

i need the complete T-XXXXXD-XX number on the spine/back cover, then you'll have to look at the cd-label and find a number with the same format, i need to know with which nr it ends (the -XX), after that, it would be great if you could also check which languages are on the back cover and list them

that's all you've got to do, i just looked at your collection and i think it could help me a lot, especially because you are dutch and i expect you've got a lot of benelux and dutch releases which are of course missing in my list