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    By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer

    Dan Koster was unpacking some of his more than 2,000 CDs after a move when he noticed something strange. Some of the discs, which he always took good care of, wouldn't play properly.



    Koster, a Web and graphic designer for Queens University of Charlotte, N.C., took one that was skipping pretty badly and held it up to the light.


    "I was kind of shocked to see a constellation of pinpricks, little points where the light was coming through the aluminum layer," he says.


    His collection was suffering from "CD rot," a gradual deterioration of the data-carrying layer. It's not known for sure how common the blight is, but it's just one of a number of reasons that optical discs, including DVDs, may be a lot less long-lived than first thought.


    "We were all told that CDs were well-nigh indestructible when they were introduced in the mid '80s," Koster says. "Companies used that in part to justify the higher price of CDs as well."


    He went through his collection and found that 15 percent to 20 percent of the discs, most of which were produced in the '80s, were "rotted" to some extent.


    The rotting can be due to poor manufacturing, according to Jerry Hartke, who runs Media Sciences Inc., a Marlborough, Mass., laboratory that tests CDs.


    The aluminum layer that reflects the light of the player's laser is separated from the CD label by a thin layer of lacquer. If the manufacturer applied the lacquer improperly, air can penetrate to oxidize the aluminum, eating it up much like iron rusts in air.


    But in Hartke's view, it's more common that discs are rendered unreadable by poor handling by the owner.


    "If people treat these discs rather harshly, or stack them, or allow them to rub against each other, this very fragile protective layer can be disturbed, allowing the atmosphere to interact with that aluminum," he says.


    Part of the problem is that most people believe that it's the clear underside of the CD that is fragile, when in fact it's the side with the label. Scratches on the underside have to be fairly deep to cause skipping, while scratches on the top can easily penetrate to the aluminum layer. Even the pressure of a pen on the label side can dent the aluminum, rendering the CD unreadable.


    Koster has taken to copying his CDs on his computer to extend the life of the recordings. Unfortunately, it's not easy to figure out how long those recordable CDs will work.


    Fred Byers, an information technology specialist at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, has looked at writeable CDs on behalf of government agencies, including the Library of Congress (news - web sites), that need to know how long their discs will last.


    Manufacturers cite lifespans up to 100 years, but without a standardized test, it's very hard to evaluate their claims, Byers says. The worst part is that manufacturers frequently change the materials and manufacturing methods without notifying users.


    "When you go to a store and buy a DVD-R, and this goes for CD-R as well, you really don't know what you're getting," he says. "If you buy a particular brand of disc, and then get the same disc and brand six months later, it can be very different."


    This renders the frequently heard advice to buy name-brand discs for maximum longevity fairly moot, he says.


    DVDs are a bit tougher than CDs in the sense that the data layer (or layers — some discs have two) is sandwiched in the middle of the disc between two layers of plastic. But this structure causes problems of its own, especially in early DVDs. The glue that holds the layers together can lose its grip, making the disc unreadable at least in parts.


    Users that bend a DVD to remove it from a hard-gripping case are practically begging for this problem, because flexing the disc puts strain on the glue.

    Rewriteable CDs and DVDs, as opposed to write-once discs, should not be used for long-term storage because they contain a heat-sensitive layer that decays much faster than the metal layers of other discs.

    For maximum longevity, discs should be stored vertically and only be handled by the edges. Don't stick labels on them, and in the case of write-once CDs, don't write on them with anything but soft water-based or alcohol-based markers.

    Also, like wine, discs should be stored in a cool, dry place. Koster's friend Mark Irons, of Corvallis, Ore., stored his CD collection in a cabin heated by a wood-burning stove. The temperature would range between 40 degrees and 70 degrees in the space of a few hours. Now, the data layer of some of his CDs looks as if it's being eaten from the outside.

    Irons is still pretty happy with CD technology, since it beats vinyl LPs and tape for longevity. Now that he's moved his discs to an apartment with a more stable temperature, he's noticed that the decay has slowed.

    "I'm hoping they'll hold out till that next medium gets popular, and everyone gets to buy everything over again," he says.

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    lets just hope this was a problem with shitty 80s cds and not our saturn games.....
    this simply adds to my case of why i dont use dvd cases though, cd binder - easier removal - less strain!

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    Also, like wine, discs should be stored in a cool, dry place.
    Well at least there's a plus side for leaving the ac on all day. :/
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    Might help to put 'em in an airtight container with a pack or two of silica gel :)

    Crappily made CDs seem to be the problem, but really, how are you to know if the CD is well made or badly made?

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    In the many years that i've worked music retail (4 1/2 and counting) ive not come across this problem. I worked at Wherehouse Music, who basically pioneered the Used business on a corporate level. I got used cd's returned because of scratches, and I got some back that had clear clear cover damage (that aluminum top the article was talking about). But I dont ever remember getting any cd with "cd rot". If they didnt play, it was because of a scratch, or a genuine manufacturing defect that affected more than a seconds worth of music (like a pin prick would). Some of the cd's might have had a few very very small holes, (hell I've got a few Cd-R's of local bands that ive bought at club shows that were like that) but had shown NO degradation to the music what so ever.

    I'm sure that part of it is care, and part of it is the plastic used in the making of the disc. As its exposed to heat and cold, it probably messes with the makeup of the plastic in the cd breaking that thin protectve layer causing the oxidization.
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    Only a matter of time before IBM introduces the next-gen media storage...

    punch cards!

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    Ive had one cd to go bad and it has the classic symptoms with the little spot worn off it was an old crappy pny cd r so I think that has a lot to do wih it.
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    I've had this happen to ONE Saturn game. That's the only time I've EVER seen it happen to any CD game. Had a copy of Elevator Action Returns that was rusting slowly along the edge. It was weird. Never seen another game that did that.
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    Yeah, this problem started way back with Laserdiscs. That's how I learned to never stack LD/CD/DVD, awlays store vertical. Usually occurred from poor quality materials or bad manufacturing. I will have to post a list of the harder to come by Laserdiscs that had this problem for those of you who might collect them.

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    From the way it sounds, it just looks like shoddy/cheap manufacturing was the guy's problem. I'd like to know what CDs that dude had problems with. Were they from K-Tel? As for the woodburning stove problem-if the temperature is going to fluctuate that much then yeah you are bound to have problems with more than just your CD collection. However I'm guessing that the CDs are probably in the same room as the woodburner. If they were in other rooms, the temperature change would be more gradual which probably wouldn't affect the discs.

    Like anything, if taken care of pressed CDs and probably CDRs will last for a long time. I know a few people who frequent here have LPs and I know almost everyone probably has audio tapes that probably outlasted the player they played them on.

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    Audio tapes? Every player in my house still works (and we have some old ones), and yeah, audio tapes seem great at withstanding abuse. I know of one made in the 1960s (back before you could tape episodes of shows, my father taped part of the "Checkmate" episode from The Prisoner show. I think it started stretching or something around 1998 when I listened to it a few times (back before we had any DVD box set for the series, I still haven't watched that show though LOL ). So audio tapes are definitely benefiting from redundancy and having the signal spread pretty thick across the tape, but the format is much less reliable for precise transcription of audio. Still can make a wicked copy of a program from the 1980s on them, though...beep zhabeep bebeep...

    I haven't seen any of my own CD-ROMs going bad, but I'm pretty sure the oldest one I own (and can look at, so a copy of Y's 1 and 2 for the PC-Engine doesn't count) would be Dracula X, which looks just fine to me.

    I would assume it's a good idea to make backups of your stuff and get the originals in airtight containers, though, if you've got any sort of significant investment in them. You don't have to slab 'em like coins but keeping them away from the air can't be a terrible idea.

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    Well, it seems my years of being incredibly 'anal' with CD care has paid off.

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    It would be one of those cases where you have a better chance leaving the item wrapped, heh heh

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    Most of my cds are Saturn and PC Engine and none of them have any problems playing.

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    This is silly sensationalism and a topic that's already been brought up before.

    It's vain to think anything is going to last forever but I can understand the fear of an 'investment' going kaput prematurely.

    Thing is this guy had 2,000 discs, the ratio of discovering bad presses is naturally going to be higher, and I'm sure as a collector he had some very old albums (As in first run) where the technology for producing CDs wasn't up to matching the standards later implemented.

    I predict the next new format will be a non-volatile, electronic rewritable media that will require no moving parts- and we have that already. Flash RAM, just a matter of it developing to the point where it can be manufactured extremely cheaply.

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    That's the thing, manufacturing it cheaply. It might not have any moving parts and essentially gives you battery backed save RAM without the battery, but the stuff is expensive. Nintendo just managed to come up with 128MByte carts, and while they're really small they won't hold the next generation of "state of the art" game programs.

    The next format will be Blu-Ray ~50GB technology, really.

    As for the fear being unwarranted...sure, but concern and taking appropriate precautions isn't. If you've got a $50+ game disc it's not a bad idea to keep it locked away, anyhow.

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    that also happens if you dont keep the tops of the disks clean.The oil from your skin can also damage a cd if left on the top long enough.

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    i'm transfering all my games to the only method approved by carl sagan and the JPL




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    I'm going to memorize the bit patterns and learn to yodel them into a microphone... that way I don't have to worry about bit rot, just mind rot, and when my mind rots away I'll have bigger problems than not being able to play Burning Rangers.

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