You can do more with a PSP than a DS straight out of the box. You dont need to mess around with firmware stuff. You do have flashers for DS so if you want to play pirated games you can easaly do it on both systems. The firmware stuff doesnt only allow you to run pirated games, it also opens for homebrew stuff.Originally Posted by JJNova
Can you explain this alittle more?which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring.
Last edited by jajaja; 02-13-2007 at 09:19 AM.
I don't know why you're geting defensive and turning this into some personal war, but I'm only pointing out the common misconceptions and biases that this community often has in regards to the PSP and more specifically, Sony. Your posts in this thread have exemplified those. I don't know you from Adam; don't read anything into it.So, besides knocking my sig, your splitting hairs over "think" and "know" while paraphrasing my post? I thought you had issue with me, but it seems you just wanted to bait me into some BS tiff where the argument is actually agreement. Well, I'm opting out now 'cause this will go nowhere... and fast.
Well Sony themselves officially support PS1 emulation on PSP hardware (the crack just enables you to rip ANY PS1 game you choose). And as mentioned here and just about everywhere else for the past year, the PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent, critically-acclaimed games. You certainly don't need to be a pirate to enjoy the PSP.
Ok. but the point in my post was legalities. Which means you can't do the firmware stuff. I'm hip to the homebrew scene, and the PSP's actual homebrew GAMES, is very lacking. Fan-games that rip sprites and game mechanics? Yeah, there's lots of those. Emulators and tools so that you can play other games? Yeah they have those. But the homebrew scene for games that are made from the ground up.... definitely lacking. LUA isn't helping that at all, as it's having the effect that BoR did for previous homebrew scenes, leaving us with imitations or "clones" that have very similar gameplay and mechanics, yet the real only difference is an exhange in palette and sprites. That's to explain my comment, which was that if you are going to be just buying a PSP and using what Sony has to offer on it (so that you stay legal), then the functionality (playing games) will get used less. Sorry for not being more clear. Hope you still love me.
Yes, Sony backs that you buy and play the Playstation 1 games that they have for distribution through their network. Similar to the Virtual Console games. They do not back officially, or unofficially that you use the emulator for games that you have sitting on your harddrive.
As for the wealth of excellent, and critically acclaimed games, as this board and and just about everywhere else for the past year shows, the minority are interested in them. As a portable gaming device, the PSP fails to deliver (if, like me, you have morals regarding the law). Obviously you'll disagree, so to help prove your point, I've gone to MetaCritic and toiled through every PSP game they have on file. For this study, I will be listing any title that has a cumulative review over 80 points, which according tot he site, means Generally Favorable. Results below.
Socom 2
Ridge Racer
Lumines
Wipeout Pure
Burnout Legends
GTA: LCS
X-Men Legends II
Syphon Filter
Daxter
Tales of Eternia
Outrun 2006 : Coast 2 Coast
Ratchet and Clank Size Matters
Lumines II
Socom Fire Team Bravo II
Sega Genesis Collection
Lego Star Wars II
Winning Eleven Pro Evolution Soccer
GTA : VCS
Pro Evolution Soccer 6
THUG 2 : Remix
Hot Shots Golf : open Tees
Virtual Tennis
Socom : Fire Team Bravo
MLB06 : The Show
Megaman Powered Up
Loco Roco
Final Fantasy VII Advent Children (I know. but it's listed)
Sid Meiers Pirates!
Toca Race Driver 2
Tekken : Dark Resurrection
MGS : Portable Ops
WWE Smackdown! vs RAW 2006
Race Driver 2006
There you go, out of 333 titles, 33 title that got over an 80, zero received 90 or above, 1 out of the 33 is a compilation of old games, 1 is a movie, and 12 Race/Sports games.
Last edited by JJNova; 02-14-2007 at 12:57 AM.
Well, that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. The success and sales of the PSP in North America would indicate that a significant number of gamers ARE interested in said games.
I don't know how that list supports your theory. THE DS HAS 32 (YES, THIRTY-TWO, ONE LESS THAN 33, AND FOUR OF WHICH ARE MINOR VARIATIONS OF THE SAME GAME) GAMES LISTED ON METACRITIC WITH AN ACCUMULATED SCORE OF 80% OR HIGHER.
Please, everbody: you don't have to like Sony or the PSP, but please don't insult our intelligence anymore by claiming that it has been anything less than a success for BOTH Sony and discerning videogame fans. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.
Last edited by petewhitley; 02-14-2007 at 02:32 AM.
Hey, it was just a straight out question, no rudness too it, so yes, i still love u lol :P But seriously tho, the PSP is a more advance system than DS. Not just with the hardware, but the functions it got. Like you can play movies on it (both UMD and stuff thats on the memstick), go online (i know DS got a online addon tho, but i was thinking more of "out of the box" features), watch pictures etc. etc.
I wasn't talking about the DS, so I don't know why you brought it up in response to my comment. Although since you did point it out, I hope you counted the number of DS games that have a cumulative rating of 90 or above to the PSP, since a score that high would actually be a critical sucess.
Also, to help you out and bring in some information (which you never back your claims with) I've gone ahead and researched the success of the PSP by Software Sales and financial standings. Mind you, this doesn't change the general opinion that the PSP's software lineup is quite lacking. These are the U.S. numbers. Remember, that when talking about Sony, it's numbers sold to distributors, not consumers.
Acording to NPD Funworld, in a report dated January 17th, 2007
The PSP unit clocked in 953,200 sold for December, and 6.7 millions sold life-to-date.
PSP software failed to show up in any of the NPD's top ten lists.
The PSP's top-selling game in 2006 was GTA: LCS, a game that was released in October, 2005.
LCS just sold 593,000 during 2006
Hardware sales exceeded software sales in December
To put it in perspective, Gears of War(Xbox 360) Guitar Hero II(PS2) Madden NFL 07(PS2) each sold more copies in December than LCS did all year.
PSP Top 5 for 2006
1. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories - 593,000
2. Madden NFL 07 - 468,000
3. Need for Speed: Most Wanted - 381,000
4. Star Wars Battlefront II - 351,000
5. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo - 312,000
So yes, the hardware is a success, but if I understand you correctly, you're saying the PSP's library of games is so kickass that the consumers mind goes into a locked up mode when tying to decide which high quality title to choose, so they don't buy any. Maybe you are right, maybe the "PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent" games, but I guess they didn't appeal to the consumers last year. Notice, I'm not comparing the PSP to the DS, just showing that there is a lack of compelling software in teh PSP's library.
See, I'm not insulting the intelligence of PSP owners. I'm just passing along information. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.
Last edited by JJNova; 02-14-2007 at 04:18 AM. Reason: Had to add the words "in December" before I got called on it.
I only brought it up because your entire post was purportedly showing how underachieving the entire PSP library is. When of course in comparison to the DS library, critical acclaim is nearly identical ... Oh, so 90% is the critical cut-off then? Sorry, I just figured since YOU brought up 80% initially it must have meant something. I guess it did before you realized it didn't support your position ...
Ha ha, yeah, I noticed.
This thread is about the DS and the PSP, and in particular the ingorant claims of Nintendo fanboys who believe that a 33% worldwide (and near 50% U.S.) handheld market share somehow means the PSP is a failure. Why are you comparing PSP game sales to PS2/Xbox 360 game sales? My intelligence is officially insulted. Did you even read what you posted? How did it have anything to do with this thread, or even your poorly thought-out ideas two posts ago?
Ok, ok, ok. You're cool, you're retro, you like ol'skool Nintendo, you don't like those corporate assholes at Sony. I get it. Just stop with these inane, unsubstantiated claims. Quit dropping random sales data you pulled from Joystiq or Kotaku (which does absolutely nothing to support your claims, btw). The PSP is a huge success, so is the DS. They both have great games, and in terms of critical acclaim (by the very standards you introduced, but are now choosing to modify/ignore), are virtually neck-and-neck as of early 2007. I just can't understand why some of you kids are so invested in seeing Sony fail. The sad thing is your bias is keeping you from enjoying the full spectrum of modern gaming.
I never siad 80% was a Critical Success. Read again please.
I see why your intelligence was insulted. The three examples I presented were to highlight the lackluster reception to PSP software. I was comparing the PSP's BEST SELLING TITLE OF 2006 and showing that it didn't sell nearly as many units as the examples did in a single month. If you would of actually read the all of the post, you would of seen that I did not argue that the PSP wasn't selling. I stated that software isn't selling. Go ahead, you can read over it again, it's still posted.
Ok, once again, if you red the post, my information was drawn from NPDFunworld. You can purchase an account to NPD also through their online portal, or purchase the digital distribution in PDF format. As for my claims being unsubstantiated, I would like to point out, I'm the only one presenting information.
PS - I didn't need you to authenticate my coolness. Appreciated though.
My PSP was guttertrash until I could install custom firmware on it. Now I'm playing any PS1 game I want, along with Disgaea Portable.
I'll probably sell the rest of the PSP games I have. The Sony marketing campaign for this portable has been absolutely atrocious and insulting. The most recent commerical where the guy is trying to find a lady he wants to screw was the final straw. They showed approximately 0.4 seconds of gameplay in that commercial. I will most likely never purchase a Sony product ever again after the constant slaps in the face I've received from them over the past year.
JJ, even if you nearly agree with him he'll still argue something. Best to just let it lay. This thread needs to cool down anyway. There is obviously other topics to be discussed. Sometime down the road it'll get dug up and it'll be a humorous read. In the meantime, not so much.
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Ok, I give up. You keep confusing your opinions with established facts, and your constant backtracking is giving me a headache. I don't know why I expected a guy with "Wii" in his sig to be anything less than a Nintendo fanboy to begin with ...
You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success. This is to be expected, as according to even your latest source, NPDFunworld, the PSP is enjoying a nearly 50% user base in the U.S. amongst handheld gamers.
(If your ego requires that you post again to try to refute this, please for everyone's sake try to make a valid connection between the PSP and the DS. That's what this thread is about. Have a look at the title! For the last time, no one except you is trying to compare the PSP to console systems.)
Man, I hate people that have to resort to the Fan Boy insult. Drop it - it's worn out.
Having just read part of this debate, I see more than enough info that proves the PSP is not a huge success (at least not enough as some believe it to be). Hard to beat facts. No, it's not a failure, but it sure isn't that great.
Ah, why bother though.... everyone has their own opinion on the DS vs PSP. You can't sway either side, and I sure won't try to. I just find it funny and entertaining watching folks have their war of words. Keep it up...
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When I first posted about my DS, back in November 2005, I had 3 games. Now I have 8:
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Metroid Prime Pinball
Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends
New Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64 DS
Super Princess Peach
Yoshi's Island DS
Zoo Keeper
This obviously doesn't count a trio of GBA games I have that I play on my DS. I do not have a PSP, nor do I plan to get one.
So what's your convincing case that the PSP is a financial and critical success? I'm sure all of the Sony stock holders would like to hear this.
Oh that's right, it's not just a gaming machine, you can watch movies and listen to music on it too. I suppose that I don't see UMD movies in my local game stores any more because they're flying off the shelves so quickly.
Also, please tell me, what game is out right now that makes made people run out and buy a PSP?
It seems like every time I turn around there's another quirky game for the DS that's causing a buzz. Whether it was Nintendogs, Brain Age, Phoenix Right, Trace Memory, Lost in Blue or one of the Castlevania or Pokemon games people always seem to be talking about DS games. What games are causing a buzz on the PSP right now other than 10 year old PS1 games and other titles that require that you hack your BIOS to play them.
Last edited by Griking; 02-14-2007 at 10:42 PM.
Jesus Christ. How can someone honestly still say they don't see it? The sales data is out there, the critical opinion is out there, and yet 75% of responses to this thread are of the "there aren't any games for the PSP I want" sort. This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.
First, let's look at life-to-date system sales, as of Dec, 31st, 2006:
PSP Hardware Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 6,230,000
America - 9,580,000
Other - 8,890,000
Total - 24,700,000
Nintendo DS Hardware Life-to-Date
Japan - 14,430,000
America - 10,180,000
Other - 11,000,000
Total - 35,610,000
So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 48% market share. Worldwide, the PSP has a 41% market share. Even in Japan, where the Nintendo has supposedly spit on the grave of Sony, the PSP still has a 30% market share.
How, even in your wettest fanboy dreams (and yes, as long as fanboys exist, it will remain a valid complaint) is that a failure, or anything less than a substantial success? You know what, don't answer. I can't stomach any more of these crazed, delusional responses from you Hot Topic t-shirt wearing hipsters who for the most part weren't even of reading age when the NES was released (for the record, I'm pretty sure Griking was, so my apologies to him).
Now let's look at life-to-date software sales, as of Dec. 31st, 2006:
PSP Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 16,800,000
America - 39,400,000
Other - 34,300,000
Total - 90,500,000
Nintendo DS Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 65,200,000
America - 49,550,000
Other - 39,490,000
Total - 154,230,000
So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 44% market share in terms of software. Worldwide, the PSP has a 37% market share in terms of software. Even in Japan, the PSP still has a 20% market share in terms of software (this being perhaps the ONLY statistic that would really shine brightly in favor of the DS). And these numbers must all be considered in light of the fact that the PSP has been marketed and sold as much more than a mere game-playing machine. And yes, many users do in fact use it as such.
Let's now turn our heads to critical acclaim. According to Metacritic, here's a list of how many PSP and DS games have an accumulative score of 90% or more, 80% or more, and 75% or more (choosen as a cut-off as this is where Metacritic themselves differentiate between a "green" game and a "yellow" game in terms of accepted critical acclaim):
PSP Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 0
80%+ - 42
75%+ - 79
DS Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 2
80%+ - 32
75%+ - 48
Now, critical acclaim is a fairly un-scientific factor to begin with, but come now. How on earth can you look at those stats and say that the DS has the more critically acclaimed library? The PSP has 40% more titles that ranked above 75% amongst critics. And 24% more titles that ranked above 80% amongst critics.
Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.
Last edited by petewhitley; 02-16-2007 at 06:37 AM.
I agree with most of your post but if you're going to say that the facts don't support other people's opinions then at least draw valid conclusions from your facts. With respect to "financial success", all you've shown, if your statistics are correct, is that the psp has had some form of limited market share success (even if way below original expectations). Market share is a lot different than financial success... psp could have a 100% market share and still be a huge financial failure if it cost them enough to build it. I don't think they are getting rich off psp... I'm sure they invested a lot into it.
I don't know that original expectations from Sony were anything less than valid competition for the handheld market, which they've clearly achieved. ("Way below original expectations" is pretty unsubstantiated ...)
But you bring up a good point in regards to terminology. Perhaps instead of "financial success", the success of the PSP in the marketplace could perhaps be better described as "sales success" or something similar. It's still unknown how much profit the PSP has made Sony, despite the clear success it's had in the marketplace.
... some double-post glitch ...
Last edited by petewhitley; 02-16-2007 at 07:13 AM.
I would say that expectations from sony, the media in general, even most consumers was that the psp would dominate, so that's what I mean when I say way below expectations. But you're right, its basically unsubstantiated.
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