Dear Chris Hecker,
Fuck you.
Sincerely,
Josh
Dear Chris Hecker,
Fuck you.
Sincerely,
Josh
In an effort not to turn this to a Wii vs. All post i am going to word this very carefully. all of what you have posted is personal opinion besides that fact Wii has less power than it competition.Originally Posted by walrusmonger
Each system has its strong points, Xbox 360 with its online capabilites, PS3 with its overall power, and the Wii with its overall innovation in game interaction. If this was last generation you could replace wii in the statement "wii is an under-powered waste of money." with ps2 back when it was first launched and come to similar conclusions. The ps2 is the best selling system of the past generation but was the least powerful, even in comparison to the gamecube.
The Wii does have a lot of must have exclusives in many peoples eyes. i myself own a good handful already and am enjoying them very much (looks at SSX Blur). I could say the same of my interest in PS3 and XB360. Theres only a few games i want for the systems but i don't think its worth the purchase for a few FPS games that i'll barely play but i don't think any less of the systems. Each consoles core market is a bit different.
Anyways, I'm just happy it wasn't Will Wright making that statement.
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Diff'rent Strokes for diff'rent folks. I'm having a blast with my Wii (Zelda, Red Steel, Rayman, Sonic, SSX Blur, etc have all been a lot of fun), and there are more games out I want than I can afford (Trauma Center, Excite Truck, Elebits, etc). I haven't had any real reason to get a 360 or ps3 yet. I know tons of people with 360's that love them - great for them. But there's nothing that's worth $400 to *me* (Oblivion was really tempting). For me, there hasn't been a 360/ps3 game that made me say "whoa, this is NOTHING like what I can play on the ps2/xbox/cube." Don't get me wrong, the 360 and ps3 are fine systems - I'm sure I'll get both of them eventually - but the point is that everyone looks for different things in their games. Which is why three manufacturers can all survive in the market, and each offer something unique.
This is just one random guy at Maxis, he doesn't speak for the company by any stretch of the imagination. His argument for MS and Sony caring more about pushing "games as art" is ridiculous, imho. They all make games. Finally, as an employee of a major developer/publisher I think it's pretty poor judgement to make that kind of statement in such a public way. I complain about Company X's devkits or Company Y's tools all the time, but I'd never do it publicly.
Developers see things in systems that we as gamers dont see. Developers always gripe about the limitations of systems, and I think that he is just bitching about the Wii just being a Gamecube squared. This is not really a big deal, because people such as myself are getting a wii to play and have fun, not graphics. I see his point, although he is being harsh.
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The ***** console is a piece of shit.
Sega sux
Nintendo sux
Sony sux
Microsoft sux
Sega rulz
Nintendo rulz
Sony rulz
Microsoft rulz
I sooooo don't care!
Mark
"We've come for your daughter Chuck"
-Beetlejuice
All companies are guilty of cash-ins. How is Zelda a "quick cash-in" when Twilight Princess took like six years to make? That's not quick.
When I say quick cash-in, I mean cheap clones of popular games. I mean yearly sequels to franchises with only superficial changes. I mean rushed, uninspired drivel. Stuff that all companies do a little bit of.
I acknowledged that Nintendo makes mistakes, too, just not any more than the other companies, and that they have games with artistic merit, just like the other companies. I think the developer is exaggerating the difference in artistic integrity between these systems.
Although, I'm going to take a wild stab and say that you might have a viewpoint that's skewed slightly against Nintendo, Mr. Saturn Fan. Your ridiculous statement about the Wii costing more than a PS3 kinda proves that.
Last edited by Snapple; 03-07-2007 at 11:26 PM.
This whole thread seems to be based on one fanboy's opinion. I don't know, as the word 'shit' indicated to me a lack of intellectual depth and so I decided not to waste my time.
You don't like Maxis? Really? While I thought the graphics were subpar, I played SIM Copter for hours. The same for SIM Island. Call them guilty pleasures (especially SIM Copter).
I liked your last sentance though.!
Mark
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-Beetlejuice
One could argue that Myst is a piece of art, but as I don't like playing slide shows (regardless of the beauty involved) I have never gone back to it. And to think it was ported to sooooo many systems.
Mark
"We've come for your daughter Chuck"
-Beetlejuice
And where did you find this secret information about how much time Will has spent with the thing?
So why don't we?
So this means that it's not art, by your definition? Or did you kinda change the subject there in the middle of your post? Personally, art remains art whether somebody likes it or not, and regardless of whether one guy made it lying on his back on a scaffold or whether an assembly-line team did it.but as I don't like playing slide shows (regardless of the beauty involved) I have never gone back to it. And to think it was ported to sooooo many systems.
Also, realMyst is beautiful. And it's not a slideshow.
Last edited by Ed Oscuro; 03-07-2007 at 11:38 PM.
This Hecker guy must not have played Yoshi's Island. It was a wonderful piece of art, which also happened to be one of the best games ever made. Having a game that is "art" is great an all, but if it is boring as hell, you have failed as a game maker.
That being said, I don't think any of the current gen systems has produced anything that I would consider 'art'.
<Evan_G> i keep my games in an inaccessable crate where i can't play them
Double post, delete this post.
Last edited by jajaja; 03-08-2007 at 01:21 AM.
Good AI and physics have excisted for years indeed, but i was thinking of the newest technology within the field.
Well, you took the time to post 2 times and do some arguing + you probly read the whole article so it looks to me that you do care hehe
Last edited by jajaja; 03-08-2007 at 01:23 AM.
I guess I could go into all the ways that this guy (who is NOT Will Wright, btw) is wrong, but should I or any of us for that matter bother?
What we should instead focus on is how he's not really basing his argument on anything at all in the first place!
To drive his point home, he references video game company websites (PR), and quotes from video game company execs (MORE PR). No objective looks at any actual games made by either of the respective companies, or any actual games made for any of those consoles by ANY company at all, for that matter. Nothing substantial or material is compared. Just PR.
So just so I understand this right, in summation, the Wii is a piece of shit, two Gamecubes stuck together with duct tape, Nintendo doesn't give a shit about feigning interest in video games as an art form in their PR, and they should make a console that doesn't suck ass. Why thank you for that, random Spore developer guy! Now on to someone who can form a coherent point.
That's really not relevant.
Also, how could you say that YI is a piece of art but NOTHING on the newer consoles is? That boggles the mind.
You know, every damn system SUCKS - period - so just everyone just deal with it!
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Meeting at Maxis:
EA execs: OMGWTFBBQ! Hecker's going crazy, etc.
Will Wright: Whatever, he's a tool. *goes back to work*
(For the record, I doubt that Will Wright would ever talk like that, but you get my point, right?)
I find it completely insane that a person(or people) would immediately decide they don't want a game because a member of said title's dev team talked shit about a particular gaming console.
But I guess since it's about Nintendo, that's OK.
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Ain't that the truth?
Me, I'm just ready for something more than mini/party games. Show me what you can do Nintendo!
Agreed - every consoles has its faults and good developers just work around them. This guy's just an idiot.
These threads always make me laugh. Eeveryone has an opinion but doesn't mean you should base your purchases on it. From a developer's point of view, he was probabaly pissed that it was underpowered to do what he wants and probabaly pissed that the PS3 is hard to develop for. Each has it faults. But I never understood why people go so crazy about each system. The "fanboys" for each system are ridiculous. It's like their "team" wins every time one system outsells the other. We should sell T-shirts and hats with championship banners like they do for other sports. Examples:
PS2 2006 World Champions (in terms of console sales)
Gamecube 2004 Conference Champions (in terms of sales)
Game.Com 1997 Wild Card Winners (in terms of unsold stock)
The list could go on and on but this would be a simple way to spot the truly stupid fanboys in public. This way you could smack them upside the head for being morons
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