PS3 vs 360

[Mimi Nakamura]

Time machine? So you're telling us that you aren't intelligent enough to look thru magazines and websites to read up on whats coming up for your system of choice for the next 12 months? Actually, considering who I'm talking to thats not so much of a stretch.

No games publication can tell you what games companies will decide to start work on 12-months from now. It's impossible without the use of some sort of time machine. When I bought my PS3, Treasure hadn't announced that they were going to start on a shooter for the 360. Probably because they didn't even know that they would at the time.

We can learn about some games which are currently in development, but it's impossible to know about games that nobody has even planned to make yet.

If it really is possible, why don't you tell me about the games which will begin development 12 months from now?

[Mimi Nakamura]

Isn't it time for you to just admit that you started this thread because you are a PS3 fanboy and you wanted to stir stuff up? I think it's time to lock this thread down. The OP already owns the PS3, so it's not like anyone's opinion has any impact on what he or she will buy. Most of us own all three platforms or want to, so there really is no point in continuing to debate this issue.

Stir stuff up? Fanboy? Most replies have been free of fanboy nonsense. The only games company I would consider myself a fan of is Sega.

[Mimi Nakamura]

That's a better deal than Microsoft's insane price gouging for their proprietary HDs. For the same price as a 60 gig 360 hard drive, I bought a 150 gig drive for the PS3.

Here's my take on this whole 'Vs' thing.

I own all three systems. I've been through five 360s thus far, so I do most of my platform agnostic gaming on my launch 60 gig PS3. My Wii has been turned on five times in the last six months, though with Sin and Punishment 2 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom coming out in the next couple of months, I expect that to change. I love all three systems for different reasons, but something occurred to me this Christmas while buying a console for my girlfriend.

Katie wanted a console with which to stream Netflix. This was just before the PS3 was capable of this function. I bought her a 60 gig 360 bundle, wrapped it, and thought nothing more of it until I was fixing her computer and realized that I'd need to get her a wireless adapter since her router was in a distant room from her main TV. I also then realized that I'd need to buy her a gold membership for Xbox live in order for her to be able to stream Netflix. Let's add that cost up:

Xbox: $250
Wireless adapter: $100
1 Year Gold Membership: $50 (or thereabouts).

That's $400 dollars. That's one hundred dollars more than a new PS3 slim, which contains all the functionality out of the box that Microsoft wants to charge me for separately. Very soon after that Netflix streaming was announced for the PS3. I took the 360 back and got her the PS3 instead, and as an added bonus, she now has an excellent Blu-Ray player too.

The 360 has a huge number of worthwhile exclusives, an arguably better controller, a wider player base, and some fun extras like 1 vs 100, but the price gouging on accessories, the unreliable hardware, and the added expense of the gold membership all turn me off more and more as this generation continues. Of course, this is all my own opinion, which does not invalidate anyone elses. Keep that in mind.

Interesting post. I never really thought about all the accessories that would need to be purchased for the 360. Having said that, PS3 accessories aren't cheap! But I guess free online play and built in wi-fi make up for it.

PS3 controllers in Japan cost ¥5500!

[Tallise]

I am actually about to buy a 360. I was debating between the PS3 and 360 for a little bit, I played games on PS3 my friend and older brother own while on vacation and really liked it. I got addicted to Little Big Planet and think the graphics may even be a bit better. However, I think I will end up getting the 360 because I already own games for it from when I dated someone who owns a 360... I reeeeally don't feel like trading in and re-buying those games. I'm not even sure if any are exclusives either x.x Maybe one day when there is a PS4 or something and everyone is trading in their old consoles I will buy one... Cuz I vulture like that o< Patience makes good deals........

[Ed Oscuro]

That's a better deal than Microsoft's insane price gouging for their proprietary HDs. For the same price as a 60 gig 360 hard drive, I bought a 150 gig drive for the PS3.

This is quite true, just forgot to mention it in my post. I have a feeling you still failed, though, because:

First, the 360's drives aren't proprietary - they're are essentially normal drives with the 360 firmware on them, but the 360 seems limited to using certain size drives.

More to the point, PS3 drives are completely normal laptop drives, and readily accepts the 9.5mm variety (and probably slightly bigger).

An official 60GB 360 drive is (I'm guessing Newegg's price is in line with what you found; Amazon is way outta whack) listed at $89 in a kit, and I did find a 160GB kit for the PS3 for $89 as well, on Amazon, which lists the 360 drive at $115 by itself. Is that what you found?

Please tell me you found the 360 drive for a price in line with [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...der=PRICE]this list[/url] and that I'm just reading too much into your comment.

For extra shame, let's all consider that a PS3 can accept standard 3.5" computer drives, which are significantly cheaper for the same or even more storage capacity. All you should need is the appropriate SATA cable.

[G-Boobie]

This is quite true, just forgot to mention it in my post. I have a feeling you still failed, though, because:

See, I was hoping we could keep this civil, internet hero, but OK.

First, the 360's drives aren't proprietary - they're are essentially normal drives with the 360 firmware on them, but the 360 seems limited to using certain size drives.

Actually, they ARE proprietary. The connecting port is non-standard, they have a purpose built case that you have to get around one way or another, and yes, you CAN hack your way through, but I for one don't care to muck around with it. From where I'm standing, hacking a non-360 branded HD to work with the 360 is a FAR bigger hassle than the simple plug and play method that ANYONE can do with any off the shelf SATA laptop HD on the PS3.

More to the point, PS3 drives are completely normal laptop drives, and readily accepts the 9.5mm variety (and probably slightly bigger).

I know. I've swapped the HD on mine, and it was a completely painless procedure. What are you actually trying to say?

An official 60GB 360 drive is (I'm guessing Newegg's price is in line with what you found; Amazon is way outta whack) listed at $89 in a kit, and I did find a 160GB kit for the PS3 for $89 as well, on Amazon, which lists the 360 drive at $115 by itself. Is that what you found?

That's not out of line with what you'll find at any given Best Buy or what have you, so we'll say yes. For the cost of an official, don't need to fuck around with hacking or modding 60 gig 360 HD, you can find a laptop HD for a PS3 for half the hassle and that's twice the size or more. So far, so good.

Please tell me you found the 360 drive for a price in line with [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...der=PRICE]this list[/url] and that I'm just reading too much into your comment.

I'm no longer even entirely certain you read my post before responding. And, if you did, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anymore. I THINK you're saying that, if I pry open a 360 branded hard drive, take out the actual disc, jump on to tech forums online and figure out what size and make will work as a replacement, install THAT into the aforementioned case, and hope that I haven't fucked anything up in the process, then the 360 is just as modular as the PS3. Which for the record is fucking nuts.

For extra shame, let's all consider that a PS3 can accept standard 3.5" computer drives, which are significantly cheaper for the same or even more storage capacity. All you should need is the appropriate SATA cable.

That was sort of my point, if I understand you correctly. Though, in a tragic case of potential reading failure, I'm not even certain you understood ME before charging in, nerd guns just a-blazing.

Look, let me try again: my point was that for far less money and far less hassle, you could get a bigger hard drive upgrade for the PS3 compared to similar money and hassle with the 360. If that's what you read, then I'm not even sure what you're trying to say and I'll let you get on with being all crazy indignant or whatever. If you interpreted my post as something else, then I either need to work on my communication skills or you should seek comprehension before charging in.

That leads us to the possibility that you're ridiculing me for being annoyed at Microsoft for raping people with their official 360 pricing, just because it's POSSIBLE to hack your way around it.

Let's play a game wherein I'm not interested in doing any aftermarket bullshit to my console and, like ninety nine percent of the user base, I just want to buy a fucking hard drive and plug it in: end of story. No looking up tutorial vids on YouTube, no trouble shooting on forums, no possibility of Microsoft banning my profile or locking out my hard drive for being, in the words of Major Nelson, "grey market". I'm going to pay more of my hard earned money than I would for comparable storage space on the PS3. Yes, it's possible you get a 360 HD on sale somewhere and the gap narrows, but not enough to change my point. Sony has made an effort with the PS3 to make changing the hard drive easy and inexpensive, whereas Microsoft has elected to make it either:

1) Needlessly expensive but painless, or:

2) Cheaper and a pain in the ass. Also, in the grey area legally.

That is all. It's not a condemnation of the 360, which as I've stated has a lot going for it. It's an observation as someone who has both limited time and money to upgrade his consoles with. I need to stay the Hell out of these fanboy threads: nothing but trouble ever seems to come of them.

[G-Boobie]

The 360 doesn't have a better controller, it's just that the Playstation L2 and R2 buttons are a piece of shit now on the PS3.

Kupo, read the quote above and tell me what's wrong with it please.

[Tallise]

D: Everyone, lets stay civil please! People have opinions, state yours don't attack other's!

[kupomogli]

Kupo, read the quote above and tell me what's wrong with it please.

I know it sounded as if I was saying the PS3 controller sucked but I wasn't. I explained the PS3 triggers were fine but they apply this upward pressure that if you're having to hold those buttons it's more uncomfortable. Only mentioning how the PS3 needs to go back to the PS2 style L2/R2.

The 360 has problems like a terrible control pad, I don't like the LB and RB buttons much, or the locations of the analog sticks. On the 360 the LT and RT buttons are also great on driving games and games that you have to hold those buttons down, but not better to use in most cases where single button presses work best.

[The 1 2 P]

No games publication can tell you what games companies will decide to start work on 12-months from now. It's impossible without the use of some sort of time machine. When I bought my PS3, Treasure hadn't announced that they were going to start on a shooter for the 360. Probably because they didn't even know that they would at the time.

I don't have a PS3 but thanks to game mags, game sites and game forums(like DP) I already know what 70-90% of all the retail releases for the PS3 will be in 2010.

We can learn about some games which are currently in development, but it's impossible to know about games that nobody has even planned to make yet.

If it really is possible, why don't you tell me about the games which will begin development 12 months from now?

I'm not sure why you want to know which games will be beginning development a year from now, especially considering that "beginning development" means that they most likely won't be releasing for another 10-24 months later. But just like this year, by next January I will be able to tell you what 70-90% of PS3 retail releases will be in 2011. The few I don't know are announcements saved for trade shows like E3 and TGS or special press conferences. A time machine will never be a worthy substitute for a decent internet search an alittle common sense.

[kupomogli]

Don't forget what happened to Skaar. 360s can't use anything other than official 360 harddrive unless you want to get a possible ban later on. In this case 360 is stuck with the ripoff harddrives. To the Ed/G Boobie posts.

[Mimi Nakamura]

I'm not sure why you want to know which games will be beginning development a year from now, especially considering that "beginning development" means that they most likely won't be releasing for another 10-24 months later. But just like this year, by next January I will be able to tell you what 70-90% of PS3 retail releases will be in 2011. The few I don't know are announcements saved for trade shows like E3 and TGS or special press conferences. A time machine will never be a worthy substitute for a decent internet search an alittle common sense.

I don't want to know, I'm trying to make you understand how I didn't know what the current PS3 /360 situation would be when I bought my PS3.

How could I have known which exclusives would have been released or in development when I purchased my PS3 at a time when the games probably weren't even at the planning stage!

Is it really that hard to understand? Or are you just being awkward on purpose?

[Zoltor]

The 360 doesn't have a better controller, it's just that the Playstation L2 and R2 buttons are a piece of shit now on the PS3. Way to go and copy Microsoft with "trigger like buttons" on a controller that doesn't need them and it's a worse design the way they did it.

Now the majority of games the controller works great for and the triggers really don't suck. Almost all games actually. Games like Armored Core 4 and For Answer need a setup in which you have to hold or press those four buttons(L1, R1, L2, and R2,) repeatedly. Because the L2 and R2 buttons have an upwards pressure on them, you might stop firing or boosting(depedning on your setup) because you're not mashing L2/R2 hard enough.

You should know by now, sony as a company sucks lol, pretty much every concept Sony uses, they outright stole from other companies(mainly from Nintendo, as they are usually the first to try something new, but yea all sony does is steal ideas, It's amazing they haven't been sued yet on this issue).

PS. Also PS3's controls all around suck for fighters, visually It's hard to tell, but if you try them out, you'll notice that the praportions are ever so slightly off, which cuases a bunch of issues(blisters that a PS 2 contoller would never cause, tired hands for no good reason, and possibly brusing from using lightning reflexes).

When I go over my friends, we just hook up the PS2 to play fighters(or any other PS 1/2 games for that matter, becuase Sony decided to go with a non gaming feature over the best possible gaming feature(smart move morons).

[ScourDX]

I don't want to know, I'm trying to make you understand how I didn't know what the current PS3 /360 situation would be when I bought my PS3.

How could I have known which exclusives would have been released or in development when I purchased my PS3 at a time when the games probably weren't even at the planning stage!

Is it really that hard to understand? Or are you just being awkward on purpose?

Japanese are not into Xbox360. Microsoft brought in a lot of developers to make porn, JRPG and many others games and yet Japanese are not convince to get one. Maybe it is your culture not willing to support product that isn't made by them. So go with whatever is the most popular there.

[Mimi Nakamura]

Japanese are not into Xbox360. Microsoft brought in a lot of developers to make porn, JRPG and many others games and yet Japanese are not convince to get one. Maybe it is your culture not willing to support product that isn't made by them. So go with whatever is the most popular there.

I think it's because of advertising. Everyone knows what a PS3 is but not so many know what a 360 is. In the shops most of the space goes to the PS3 with a small area for the 360, for people who don't know about games it looks like the 360 is a very minor or insignificant console. It's not because Japan is not willing to support a foreign item - otherwise Apple wouldn't be as big as they are in Japan!

If Microsoft increased their advertising budget for Japan, they might see an increase in sales.

[Mimi Nakamura]

You should know by now, sony as a company sucks lol, pretty much every concept Sony uses, they outright stole from other companies(mainly from Nintendo, as they are usually the first to try something new, but yea all sony does is steal ideas, It's amazing they haven't been sued yet on this issue).

PS. Also PS3's controls all around suck for fighters, visually It's hard to tell, but if you try them out, you'll notice that the praportions are ever so slightly off, which cuases a bunch of issues(blisters that a PS 2 contoller would never cause, tired hands for no good reason, and possibly brusing from using lightning reflexes).

When I go over my friends, we just hook up the PS2 to play fighters(or any other PS 1/2 games for that matter, becuase Sony decided to go with a non gaming feature over the best possible gaming feature)smart move morons).

I agree completely!

[ubersaurus]

I think it's because of advertising. Everyone knows what a PS3 is but not so many know what a 360 is. In the shops most of the space goes to the PS3 with a small area for the 360, for people who don't know about games it looks like the 360 is a very minor or insignificant console. It's not because Japan is not willing to support a foreign item - otherwise Apple wouldn't be as big as they are in Japan!

If Microsoft increased their advertising budget for Japan, they might see an increase in sales.

Haha, yes, to say nothing of the downright awful ads they've run for Xbox there. They make no sense!

[The 1 2 P]

I don't want to know, I'm trying to make you understand how I didn't know what the current PS3 /360 situation would be when I bought my PS3.

How could I have known which exclusives would have been released or in development when I purchased my PS3 at a time when the games probably weren't even at the planning stage!

Is it really that hard to understand? Or are you just being awkward on purpose?

I understand what you are trying to say but even if you had picked up your PS3 when it launched in the fall/winter of 2006 you should have had an idea of the typs's of games and franchises it would be getting. As for Treasure developed games and shooters, if you didn't know which system was going to get the majority of these games(since they are apparently your favorites) you should have held off on your purchase until you had more information.

Having said all of that, now that you know which console has the games you like best, theres really no more need for debate. Go pick up a 360 and start enjoying some Treasure made games and an abundance of shooters(among other gaming experiences). You'll have both systems and will be able to have "all" of the exclusives. Surely you didn't need me and the rest of DP to tell you this.

[Ed Oscuro]

Don't forget what happened to Skaar. 360s can't use anything other than official 360 harddrive unless you want to get a possible ban later on. In this case 360 is stuck with the ripoff harddrives. To the Ed/G Boobie posts.

D'oh, I did run into something like that online but didn't factor it in. Yeah that's pretty crap.

[scottw182]

360, it's a pretty easy choice for me. I don't play very many new-gen games, Halo is almost the only one I care about, and it's exclusive. Also, I hate the PS controller and love the 360 controller. Finally, I like the choice of download games for the 360 better than that of the PS3.