Sega Saturn vs Turbo Grafx CD

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

As far as collecting... Hmmm... The TGCD is probably rarer, but the Saturn will probably bring in more money.

As far as actually playing them... they both go straight up for sale while I go play a decent system. They both suck. Cue the hatred, but I'm not trolling, I'm dead serious. Give me a system that had more than 10 good games that were released in the U.S. SNES, PS1, N64, NES, take your pick.

I think your personal taste in games might be clouding your judgement here. Even counting only US releases the Saturn has far more than 10 good games.

Without looking at a game list:

Panzer Dragoon Saga
Daytona USA
Virtua Fighter 2
Fighters Megamix
Street Fighter Alpha 1
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
NiGHTS: Into Dreams
Guardian Heroes

Because I owned them!

Both the Saturn and TG16 are good. Most of the best Saturn games are already on the PSX. It's got some good games on its own, but if you have most of the best PSX games then there's not much point in getting it unless you want to play those good games that aren't on the PSX.

The TG16 is also good, but the CD kind of sucks because unless you live in Japan there's very few good games on it. The better games are also pretty expensive.

I would say the "best" Saturn game is probably Grandia, and it is certainly inferior on the PS1. Being Japan only does not count negatively towards it.

Following closely to that are RAM cart fighting games. X-men vs Street Fighter on the system blew the ps1 version out of the water in every way, and MSH was also quite a bit better. Street Fighter Zero 3 was the definitive home version until the ps2 alpha collection.

[theclaw]

yeah other than the most insistent purists who'd question most ps2 collections since they tend to lack 240p mode.

[FrankSerpico]

I don't understand the purpose or point of even comparing two consoles from different generations. This is even more pointless than the N64 vs MVS thread. What's next, debating the merits of the Game Gear vs tabletop Coleco games?

[IHatedSega]

I don't understand the purpose or point of even comparing two consoles from different generations. This is even more pointless than the N64 vs MVS thread. What's next, debating the merits of the Game Gear vs tabletop Coleco games?

It opens up different points of views and brings things into different perspectives. They have things in common with each other, and so I thought why not make a thread about them? Also I got cdr's Friday and have been burning games all weekend. This is the list of games I got for each system:

Turbo CD:
Ginga Fukei Densetsu - Sapphire
Ginga Ojousama Densetsu Yuna 2 - Eien no Princess
Gates of Thunder
Lords of Thunder
Legend of Xanadu
Raxxanber 2
Books of Y's 1&2
Castlevania Dracula X
Star Parodia
Serei Senshi Spriggan

Saturn:
Nights Into Dreams
Hyper Duel
Christmas Nights
Guardian Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Marvel Super Heroes vs Capcom
Fighters Megamix
Sengoku Ace/Blaede
Magic Knight Rayearth
Panzer Dragoon
Elan Doree
Astal
Waku Waku 7
Keio Flying Squadron 2
Princess Crown
Castlevania Symphony of The Night (you can play as Maria and Richter up front :)

Im really enjoying these games a lot as I test played them. On Turbo side I did get a ton of shooters, but I couldnt find all the fighting games I've seen it has.

[Bojay1997]

I don't understand the purpose or point of even comparing two consoles from different generations. This is even more pointless than the N64 vs MVS thread. What's next, debating the merits of the Game Gear vs tabletop Coleco games?

I agree. The whole OP was put together in a way designed to try and generate controversy and debate and I'm pleased nobody has taken the troll bait.

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

yeah other than the most insistent purists who'd question most ps2 collections since they tend to lack 240p mode.

They do? That seems rather stupid since the ps2 is capable of displaying 240p just fine.

[IHatedSega]

I agree. The whole OP was put together in a way designed to try and generate controversy and debate and I'm pleased nobody has taken the troll bait.

Uhhh, friendly conversation isnt debate. And how is asking "Hey these two systems have things in common, which do you like more?" Isnt trolling, its not like these consoles went up against each other and there was a ton of passion about them at the time. Yes, I was influenced in part by the MVS vs N64 thread, why not make more threads like this? A guy asked Genesis vs SNES, people didnt see that as trolling. Why not go for different kind of stuff and ask weird questions?
Heres a video about the Turbo CD if people dont know much about the library.

[Ed Oscuro]

Yes, I was influenced in part by the MVS vs N64 thread, why not make more threads like this?

because of years of experience of these things happening

Anyway, like I said, there's no reason for the two systems to actually be in competition now. They're historical. Even back at the time it was possible to own both at once. I really don't see the point of it when you admit that.

[wiggyx]

Most of the best Saturn games are already on the PSX.

Pffffffffffffff.

Panzer Dragoon 1, 2, and Saga
Dragon Force
Shining Force 3
Burning Force
Magic Knight Rayearth
X-Men vs SF & Marvel vs SF (yes, I know these were released for the PS1, but there's absolutely no reason to EVER play the PS versions save for LULZ)
Radiant Silvergun
Dark Savior
Legend of Oasis
Castlevania (extra dungeon segments for Saturn only)
House of the Dead
Albert Odessy
Darkstalkers 3/Vampire Savior
Nights
10 freakin' player Bomberman!!!
Princess Crown
etc.

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

because of years of experience of these things happening

Anyway, like I said, there's no reason for the two systems to actually be in competition now. They're historical. Even back at the time it was possible to own both at once. I really don't see the point of it when you admit that.

Okay, you don't like the thread. Maybe, don't open it?

These sorts of theoretical discussions are not intended to crown a victor between two consoles, rather they are supposed to stimulate an appreciation for what made each of them good in their own way by comparing and contrasting.

[Ed Oscuro]

It has more to do with the general forum quality, mang. It's not just a matter of taste, it's about having something worthwhile to talk about, and also promoting something beyond blind full-system collecting (which ends up being a waste). There are lots of reasons I could name (some selfish, yep) why blind system fanboyism and winner-takes-all views harm the hobby. I've been around long enough to see this play out. But have fun all the same! You'll eventually grow tired of it too.

More to the point, though, I would have stayed away if I had thought that the OP was just asking for that. You can see my replies on the previous page if you want to see what I was responding to.

[IHatedSega]

Are there any games people REALLY want to play that would make them buy a Saturn nor Turbo Duo to play? And Maybe I should have compared the whole Turbo Grafx/PC Engine plus CD to the Saturn? What do you guys think then?

[understatement]

What’s up with these Vs. threads… so random.

I will say this; any system Victor Ireland put a game out for is a good system and both of these have that so debate over.

[Ed Oscuro]

Are there any games people REALLY want to play that would make them buy a Saturn nor Turbo Duo to play? And Maybe I should have compared the whole Turbo Grafx/PC Engine plus CD to the Saturn? What do you guys think then?

Dude, it's ok...but let me mention this; in the Classic Discussions subforum there should be topics about the best games for each system.

If you don't mind, what is your personal collection goal? I would personally never think to pit one system against another because, well...I can have both (if I want), without all the bad titles.

[Hawksmoor]

I agree. The whole OP was put together in a way designed to try and generate controversy and debate and I'm pleased nobody has taken the troll bait.

Seconded. The last "______ vs. ______" console debate I was remotely interested in was SNES vs. Genesis, and that was mostly due to my being in my early teens at the time and only having a Genesis.

Almost without exception, there are fantastic games for every released console that makes it worth owning and playing. A great game is a great game; it doesn't matter what system it happens to be on. Arbitrary and subjective comparisons between systems and games, in an attempt to somehow quantify one's quality as being superior over another, is a pointless waste of time.

We're all here because we love games. Why some among us feel the need to ascertain certain consoles' supposed superiority over others, I can't say for sure; I suspect it must fulfill some psychological need to establish a clear hierarchy of quality.

[kupomogli]

Pffffffffffffff.

Panzer Dragoon 1, 2, and Saga
Dragon Force
Shining Force 3
Burning Force
Magic Knight Rayearth
X-Men vs SF & Marvel vs SF (yes, I know these were released for the PS1, but there's absolutely no reason to EVER play the PS versions save for LULZ)
Radiant Silvergun
Dark Savior
Legend of Oasis
Castlevania (extra dungeon segments for Saturn only)
House of the Dead
Albert Odessy
Darkstalkers 3/Vampire Savior
Nights
10 freakin' player Bomberman!!!
Princess Crown
etc.

I didn't mean specifically that it didn't have any games. I meant "most of the best games the Saturn have is on the PSX" in comparison to how many exclusives we've come to expect on older consoles. The Saturn is sort of like the PS360 of the 32/64bit gen. Back when it was released, unless you were a fanboy, the PS3 wasn't worth owning outside of BC if you had a 360 or if you were interested in the 360 because most of the best games the PS3 had were also on the 360. While it's the other way around now, where the PS3 has more exclusives worth owning and most of the best games the 360 has are on the PS3. However, if you own one system or the other and don't have all the better multiconsole games, there's really not too much of a reason to buy the other console.

I didn't mean it as anything against the system specifically. Hopefully people get what I mean by the PS360 comparison. If you currently one, there's not much sense in getting the other, and the same for the Saturn. If you have the PSX, unless you really want to get one of the games on the Saturn or a lot of exclusive games on the Saturn, there's really no sense in getting it since you have a lot of exclusives you can purchase on the PSX and a lot of multiconsole titles.

[IHatedSega]

Dude, it's ok...but let me mention this; in the Classic Discussions subforum there should be topics about the best games for each system.

If you don't mind, what is your personal collection goal? I would personally never think to pit one system against another because, well...I can have both (if I want), without all the bad titles.

I just wanted to make a thread where there would some tal kabotu both systems and we could all learn from each other about some games on each console that arent talked about. Its hard to find play through videos for Turbo CD games, especially some of the ones I listed that I have now.

I feel like people just read the title of the thread and havent paid attention to what else Ive said in here. Im just trying to have a conversation about both consoles. I hoped someone would show up and say how great the Turbo CD library is, but it hasnt really happened. So, ok I wont make another of these.

[Gamevet]

Normally when discussing the Saturn compared to other systems(usually the PS1 and N64) I have to point out that the Saturn's US library is pretty weak.

The North American lineup is actually pretty damn good. I only have 4 imports for my Saturn and the other 75 games were bought in the States.


RPGs

Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining in the Holy Ark


Action RPGs

Magic Knight Rayearth
Dark Savior
Shining Wisdom
Legend of Oasis


Strategy/SRPG

Iron Storm
Shining Force III
Mystaria: The Realms of Lore
Dragon Force


Racing

Daytona USA
Daytona USA C.E.
Sega Rally 95
Scorcher
Wipeout (I like it better than the PSX version)
Manx TT
Hang-On GP


Shooters/Shmup

Galactic Attack (aka Layer Section)
Darius Gaiden
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Zwei


Fighters

Virtua Fighter Kids
Virtua Fighter Remix
Virtua Fighter 2
Marvel Super Heroes
X-Men: COTA (frame-rate kind of sucks though)
Fighting Vipers
Fighter's Megamix
Ultimate MK3
Street Fighter Collection
Street Fighter Alpha
Night Warriors


Air Combat

Wing Arms
Sky Target
Thunder Strike
Soviet Strike (sorta air combat)

Mech

GunGriffon
Virtual-On


Platformer

Burning Rangers
Mega-Man X4
Astal (a little over-rated)
Shinobi Legions
Bug
Croc
Rayman
Skeleton Warriors


Sports

World-Wide Soccer
World Series Baseball 98
Decathlete
Pebble Beach Golf


Lightgun games

Virtua Cop
Virtua Cop 2
House of the Dead
Maximum Force



And everything else

Last Gladiators (yeah, the Japanese sequel is considered better, but it's still a pretty cool pinball game)
Tempest 2000
Die Hard Arcade
Guardian Heroes
Saturn Bomberman
Shinobi Legions
Enemy Zero
Sega Ages Vol 1
Nights
Saturn Bomberman
Worms



Yeah, there were a few good RPGs that got left in Japan, along with a lot of Shmups and Capcom Fighters, but the North American library wasn't too shabby.

[Greg2600]

You really can't fault TG-16 CD for lack of fighters, because the genre was in its infancy at the time. That said, collecting will cost you a fortune for both, that I can say. Especially if you want all the Japanese-only games. Saturn is definitely a better system, mainly because it's more powerful hardware. Controller is light years better too. Getting RGB out of it is much easier/cheaper, too. I love shooters (shmups) and TG has tons of them, but so does the Saturn. Ironically both system libraries, as I said, are heavily Japanese-influenced. Very little western development.

On graphics/sound/control, it's the Saturn. On 2D, simplicity, fun, TG-16. On collecting costs, toss up. Both expensive. Me personally I got a TG-16 not long ago, no CD, and the Turbo Everdrive to play all HuCard roms. While I would like the CD, I just can't go for the high prices for the units and games. Saturn is nice, but like someone said most of the big name games were ported to Playstation or PC.

[Edmond Dantes]

There's one thing I don't get. Why narrow it down to just "the Turbo CD"? If we're gonna do this, why not just the entire Turbo/PC Engine library? There is no way I know of to have a working CD unit without the Hucard unit anyway, so you might as well take it as a complete package.

That being said, this topic is like asking me to choose favorite children. I could, perhaps, be tempted to part with my Gamecube or N64... but you'll only take my Saturn and my PC Engine over my cold, dead body. And I will never die.

As for what each system has that makes it worthwhile? Well:

TurboGrafx:
* Splatterhouse
* Devil's Crush
* Bonk
* Galaga '88
* Military Madness
* Ys I-IV
* Dungeon Explorer
* Gate of Thunder
* early SNK fighters
* and probably a ton more that I forgot at the moment...

Saturn:
* Layer Section/Galactic Attack (Ray Force)
* Capcom Generations 1-5 (particularly the second one)
* NiGHTs Into Dreams
* Quake (yeah I warmed up to this one)
* D
* Enemy Zero
* Capcom fighters
* SNK fighters
* In the Hunt
* and again, probably so many more that have slipped my memory.

Not long ago I had both consoles hooked up side-by-side, and played them both near constantly. Ahh, the memories...