PS2 and the new Gen

[Leo_A]

Yeah...except that I don't buy that argument either. Just because a platform that has an extraordinary long life spanning multiple generations is still being sold on store shelves doesn't mean it is not retro.

You brought up the Atari 2600. The 2600 was still being sold in the early 90's alongside the SNES, Genesis and TG-16. By your logic, are you saying the 2600 was still a modern platform at that time?

And then moving on to the PS2 - yes, it's still being sold in stores, but the PS2 has been in a retirement home on life support for years, at least since 2009. That has come out since 2009 that was not a sports game and was actually worth buying?

Just because some stores still sell PS2 stuff (you brought up Walmart...there's no PS2 stuff in any walmart I've been in for several years now. It must be an American thing in major cities only?) does not mean the PS2 is a modern console.

I clearly stated that I don't consider the Playstation 2 a classic or a modern system. I'm not arguing for either one. I'm arguing that it could easily go either way and that the fact that it still has some commercial life is just one argument that someone could use against those proclaiming that it's an undeniable fact that it's a classic gaming system.

This if it's two generations old it's automatically classic rule you seem to be using is rubbish. It's not anywhere near that simple as this thread attests to.

Also, the SNES became retro around ~1999, 2000.

Nonsense

Nintendo just launched an entire hardware design barely a year before that time and was selling millions of them and many millions of cartridges. Their sales by year are out there on their Japanese website with these stats. A system with a nearly new revision selling a lot of hardware and games sure isn't classic in my book and most certainly is modern gaming.

And since there is no right or wrong here, I'm as right in saying it didn't.

The Dreamcast is part of the PS2/GC/Xbox era. What does it's premature death have to do with anything?

There's nothing confusing about my statement. I clearly indicated that I don't think there's one hard and fast rule that you go off in making this determination. And myself and many other's in this thread have talked about many factors that play into it for themselves. One for instance talked about the cut off from wired controllers and wireless as a transition in his mind where the classic era currently ends and the modern era starts for him.

So what I said makes perfect sense. There are a lot of intangibles at play here in people's minds. And you will find many that proclaimed the Dreamcast a classic console well before any of its competition. And these are some of the reasons why that happened early for the Dreamcast for many compared to its contemporaries. Not sure why you've chosen to debate this particular bit or feign confusion about it.

INot to mention the intangibles like the Dreamcast that got off to such a promising start yet died so prematurely while marking the end of console production from a beloved company and the last console that placed a major focus on bringing arcade gaming into the home.