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    Quote Originally Posted by kupomogli View Post
    So Sony sells the Death Stranding IP and now Stellar Blade is announced for PC seven months after release. Playstation really is dead. Again, no reason to ever get the console. The PS5 is just a PC with less games and a handful of physical game releases.
    .......

    Death Stranding value is the collectable case it was being sold with. Beyond that we are living in a world of "1984"

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    The truth is that these companies are gambling on peoples addiction to keep them comming for more and not enjoying life. But people have adapted beyond buying a little magical box with pictures, especially when these companies clearly do not have a heart.

    Nintendo Switch literally is the peak, next to a helmet VR system. Nintendo has always been a toy and gives you tons of options.

    SONY is owned by French and American investors, with some Japanese on the board. They have accomplished the censoring of the Playstation.

    Microsoft does not need anything because .......... Windows is like money... it is a dangerous drug.
    It is hard to get out of the world of Windows because they make it easy. Some consu-mons are Store users, while others use scoop, and others are willing to purchase physical software.

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    I think I wrote this before.

    PC = game console
    Android = Portable

    The problem we have tons of "old/elderly people" out there who looks down upon videogames and see it no different then Pong. They have the buying ( saying power ). I am talking about the people who are retired or approaching retirement.

    The sad part they are correct. Why bother own anything at all if your not going to have guests over, outside yourself? I literally could have a helmet on for my games without getting eye-pains or sores, with the best sound all to my self. Everything we like and own outside of hard goods could be reduced to something inside a suitcase and or backpack. That is how these retired people are thinking. Just yesterday this guy tossed out nice hard-wood furniture. Practically new. Stuff that could cost somebody thousands of dollars to replace. I mean the good stuff. Why? He is moving and just decided "Why bother with the truck" or my grandpa ( mothers father ) his place is just clothing and some equipment, and memories. It is like nobody ever lived there. He has a bench-press in his living room I keep asking to use,
    but he uses to put all his letters and documents on.

    The mentality is as if

    A. We are in hyper-space where paper, liquid, and anything that makes dust is not allowed.
    B. We are in a war-zone so why bother bring anything with you becuase it is just going to get blown-up ( or somebody will target your phone/beeper as with Princess-Latifa or that Gaza strike ).

    It is clear that Japanese just wants to hold us upside down and take our money based off the comments of Bowser of Nintendo America. Shows no intrest in making anything better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameguy View Post
    You are right about the PS5 not having exclusives, those would help with additional sales. I just meant that even without exclusives people would still buy a PS5 to play the multi-platform games if there were other benefits to having the PS5 hardware, like the PS2 playing DVDs back in 2000 while the Dreamcast couldn't. That was back when wireless internet really wasn't common and playing DVDs on a TV was much easier with a console or dedicated DVD player over using a PC for that purpose. Back then using a PS2 for DVDs was a good choice as dedicated DVD players were extremely expensive, around the same cost as a PS2. People are moving to PCs as those can do a whole lot more than consoles now which makes them worth the cost when similar to console prices, there was a time when people would choose a console over a PC even if a game was available for both platforms.

    Looking into it, the PS2 had about 200-300 exclusives. With PS5, there's about 10 exclusives released which still includes Spider-Man 2 which isn't even an exclusive anymore.

    I think we pretty much agree on things. I also did watch the videos you posted, they're basically saying the same things I've heard on other videos. Again, I agree with those too. Including Kenshiro.

    I keep forgetting about the Switch, but that is the only modern console that I still think of as a console and consider worth buying for what's released on it. I don't know exactly why I have this different opinion for this console while feeling the others are basically disposable PC substitutes. But I still haven't bothered buying a Switch. I'm not exactly a fan of consoles that use built in rechargeable batteries. I'm currently worrying about when my PS3 controllers and various GBA/DS systems will stop holding a charge as they're getting quite old at this point.
    Switch is the only modern console I own and it took me until 2023 to buy one used on eBay for $150, add in a few other listings for accessories and used games and I'm probably all in about $300 for the original switch with OEM dock, four joycons, N64 controller, and about six games (Mario Party Superstars, Super Mario Odyssey, New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Wonder) though two games were gifted. The price of the games and the controllers new are absolutely outrageous for a console where these games have been around for a while and I can play excellent retro games at a fraction of the price. That being said, Nintendo still knows how to make games better than ever. The exclusives are better than they've ever been. Super Mario Odyssey was incredible, and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is by far the best of the entire series with the DLC.

    When I see what was being developed for the PS1, PS2 and even Xbox 1 compared to now, I really wonder what happened to gaming. Seems like Square Enix, Konami, SEGA, Capcom, have basically stopped making new great games, and now we have to rely on indie studios and preservationists like DotEmu, Digital Eclipse and WayForward Technologies to put out good games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kupomogli View Post
    Microsoft tried to shift this over to Game Pass, trying for a Netflix subscription by paying a certain amount of money to developers to include their games on the console. They were getting a lot of positivity but not making a lot of money because of how much it cost for their day one releases. Sony started this with PS Now since PS3 couldn't be emulated back in 2014 when the PS4 launched, prior to Game Pass, but the cost wasn't nearly as high since these games already made all their money Sony was paying practically nothing in comparison to keep the service open before following Microsoft and rebranding it.
    Now that Pete Hines is retired and he can say whatever he wants about the industry he was at one point working for, he provides his thoughts about Game Pass, the thoughts I initially gave, that either journalists and the fanbase ignored because Microsoft said "Game Pass, good."

    Whether it was profitable for Microsoft or not was not my concern about it, the concern is that it led to worse games, though the profitability of Microsoft's games were also a slight concern when you don't make nearly as much money when everyone is just playing them on a service.

    I'm going to talk about my main concern that I made previously though, and this is around when Game Pass launched. An indie developer releases a game, and the person on Game Pass, paying $1 for however many years of the service they banked and if not then $80 a year, you could play any game on that service. So if I paid $80 for a service, why would I buy a new game if I have over 300 games to potentially try? So less money for developers because I can play them all on this service that I'm paying for the year(at the time this was the cost.)

    Because these indie devs game fail to sell, Microsoft sees that they're actually good games and decides hey, we'll give you next to nothing to put your game on our service for x amount of months or years. Now they have games that may have earlier failed on the Xbox that they can swoop in and get for cheap, and from there the cycle continues.

    Of course you can point at games like Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, etc, but not every game is going to get that kind of exposure and a lot haven't. You could look at non indies like Persona 3 and Metaphor who are the worst selling games in the series, games that were released day one on Game Pass, both playable on PC and Xbox just for some comparisons. These are AA games that sold fairly well because Playstation, but just the fact that they sold so poorly compared to other games sales in the same period of time is the point, they were on Game Pass on Xbox and PC, so the sales were lower when they had no opportunity to sell on those consoles.

    But now that Pete Hines says it, now that someone that worked closely with Microsoft says it, now people are like, oh, now it's a plausible explanation. Common sense doesn't mean shit, because we're stupid as fuck unless we're hand fed this information. Corporate and the media are telling us different, we have to believe them, but only once someone from a corporate institution quits and then outs the company will we actually listen.

    As I always say, these sheep... these people are fu--ing stupid.

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/fo.../1100-6534511/

    He barely dables in the above, but the post is more so what I quoted above and somewhat includes what I've stated here as well, and every time I talk about Game Pass and its subscription model I always bring this up.
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