Modern gamers are fucking idiots. (Dragon Warrior 3 spoilers.)

[kupomogli]

So modern gamers, or maybe just people in general, are not only complete fucking idiots, but they're happy to ruin someone elses experience because they're stupid fucks.

So on Reddit someone mentioned are Dragon Quest 1 and 2 a good place to start for Dragon Quest. Now, my response was not starting another Dragon Quest, but if they were to play Dragon Quest 1, 2, and 3, to start at Dragon Quest 1. I avoided spoilers and stated that, if you start at Dragon Quest 3, you are going to ruin the most impactful point of the game. I'll spoil that here because if you're in this thread you've played Dragon Quest 3.

So of course I get 10 plus downvotes and people stating that I'm wrong of course because Square Enix added extra scenes that make it important to play the third game first. First off, whatever fluff Square Enix added, is not going to make a difference and I'll be completely transparent I haven't played Dragon Quest 1 and 2 HD yet because I know I can buy it later for cheap. However, wat it cannot change, is that if you play Dragon Quest 3 first, that's it, you've already ruined the impact the third game can have by playing it first, and here's what I mean.

Let's say you play on release order, you don't even have to finish Dragon Quest 1, but if I was to say that outright, then I'd immediately ruin the experience I'm trying not to ruin for people who want the best experience. I myself think the original Dragon Quest isn't a great game but, the music, the graphics, everything about the game is very memorable, most importantly the initial opening where you see Tantegel with the Dragonlord Castle just across the lake. Whether you finish Dragon Quest 1 or not doesn't matter, but assuming you do play through and finish it, let's just fast forward to Dragon Quest 3.

On Dragon Quest 3 the world doesn't look the same, you play through the game and then later there's this pit that you jump into. The music sounds a bit familiar and as you head east you see a castle, you then notice a castle surrounded by poison across the lake. Holy sh-- this is amazing. You not only play through and experience the initial game of Dragon Quest 3 but then you're actually in the world of the original Dragon Quest.

However you're not going to get that same experience if you play Dragon Quest 3 first if you've never played the original. You're going to get to the world of Alefgard and there's going to be no emotional connection to that moment where you first see it. Then once you finish Dragon Quest 3 and move onto Dragon Quest 1 as these stupid fucks keep telling everyone to do, you're still going to be in Alefgard. Everyone who never experienced playing the game in order of release is never going to know what they missed out on because they're never going to consider that moment as anything. And they'll just continue pushing this narrative that Square Enix stated that the best way to play is by playing the Dragon Quest 3, let's not forget that these hypocrites will push this narrative that it must be right because Square Enix said it but literally crucify Square Enix about everything else they say.

That fluff that you're getting in Dragon Quest 1 and 2, that's fucking nothing compared to what you're missing out on by playing Dragon Quest 3 first. People are fucking stupid. Even I'm pretty fucking stupid because I even care that a bunch of fucking idiots are ruining a series of games i don't much care about for other players. The easier option would be to not even bother and of course I did bother so I have like 30-40 downvotes across multiple replies that I'm certain these people messaged their ass buddies that kupomogli posted again and to mass downvote it, and you can't say what is being ruined because you don't want someone who hasn't experienced it to read it but it likely wouldn't even matter to these pieces of shit anyways.

Although tbh, I am actually more interested in playing ,Dragon Quest 1 and 2 HD than I ever was to play and complete Dragon Quest 3 HD 2D because it's rare that you get to play a game with a single hero. Defensive attacks seem like they'll be a lot more viable now and the battles against multiple enemies instead of one on one fights seem more interesting. Also, with the characters on Dragon Quest 2 HD 2D being modernized in their mechanics including the brand new fourth character, we may even see a game that's really well balanced compared to Dragon Quest 3 which is pretty unbalanced and really relies on you having a personality that increases speed on every level. Because earlier Dragon Quest in a nutshell is either "you're slower than the enemies and they capsize you," or "you're faster than the enemies and you take more of them out so you have a better chance."

[JSoup]

Yes, but.
What of society?

[kupomogli]

Yes, but.
What of society?

I actually did include that in there saying gamers, actually no people in general. And then I even stated I myself am stupid because I'm arguing with the majority of people because for some reason I care that people get the best experience out of their playthrough. That one moment in Dragon Quest 3 when you two thirds in you realize you're in the world of Dragon Quest no matter what fluff bs that's been added to the remake there's no comparison to the emotional impact that has.

And that's the other reason I myself am stupid, arguing against a large majority. It's a numbers game, and obviously if one person has this opinion and everyone else, even if everyone else has only played it the way Square Enix told them to for purely monetary reasons. I mean they rereleased Dragon Quest 3 first because it's the most popular, of course they're going to tell you to play it first, they want your money, and that was the constant reply of many of these people in that Reddit thread. Square Enix themselves said it was the best place to start. And in one of the few replies back, I even said, yeah, and Square Enix said that they made Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in a way that you can start there even if you didn't play Final Fantasy 7 Remake, because they'll say whatever gets your money.

[Gameguy]

So modern gamers, or maybe just people in general, are not only complete fucking idiots, but they're happy to ruin someone elses experience because they're stupid fucks.

So on Reddit...

Hold up, I think I found the problem.

I'll spoil that here because if you're in this thread you've played Dragon Quest 3.

Or just spoil it because I'm a person that's never going to bother playing any of these games. Basically from what you've said, the spoiler is that the third game references an area from the first game. I'm not quite sure how emotionally impactful this reference would actually be beyond "Neat, I remember this".

...and Square Enix said that they made Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in a way that you can start there even if you didn't play Final Fantasy 7 Remake, because they'll say whatever gets your money.

There's another new Final Fantasy 7 remake type game? I wasn't aware of this. I'm not going to be playing it but it's still surprising to see just how bottomless a well Final Fantasy 7 has become as a cash cow.

[kupomogli]

Or just spoil it because I'm a person that's never going to bother playing any of these games. Basically from what you've said, the spoiler is that the third game references an area from the first game. I'm not quite sure how emotionally impactful this reference would actually be beyond "Neat, I remember this".

I'll give you more detail. So in Dragon Quest 1, you play through the entire game and beat it.

In Dragon Quest 3, you start the game, completely different world. As you're playing through the game, you fight what is intended to be the games "final boss." Or so you think, and there's this hole that there are guards guarding so people don't fall down. That hole increases in size later on and one of the guards falls in, the way is no longer blocked.

So you jump into the hole, instead of a dungeon or cave it looks like a world map. The music is a bit familiar, and then when you go east a little bit, you see a castle and town, and as the castle across the lake draws into distance with the poison marsh around it, you then realize with the music and this exact map that it's the original Dragon Quest's map.

So sure, the feeling may not mean much if you don't experience it first hand, and even when you do experience it, it quickly goes away, but it's an extremely important part of why playing the first game before the first game means so much.

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Because again, you play the third game, you progress normally, that entire section is meaningless to you as a player. I mean it's not meaningless, you're still getting a completely different world map and you're only 3/4 through the game when you thought you were near the end, so similar to something like SotN, but you're getting that feeling the other way as well. You're still missing that one emotional experience you'd get by playing the first game.

And if you played Dragon Quest 3 first, you'd never understood that this was intended to be such an experience because when you go to the first game, the game that is clearly the direct sequel to Dragon Quest 3, you're in the same map, which would be obvious at that point.

So it's not quite like the experience you're getting by seeing the inverted castle in SotN, or playing through SMT4 and then seeing that there's an undergroud world map like Tokyo, that's similar to Dragon Quest 3 without playing the first game.

Now I've never played Pokemon Gold and Silver, and I only learned this awhile ago, but Dragon Quest 3 after the first game would be like playing Pokemon Blue and Red and then playing Gold and Silver, finishing the entire game map on Gold and Silver getting all eight badges, and then taking a train to the original games world and having an entire games worth of content to complete with new badges, Pokemon, etc. That same feeling wouldn't be there if you never played the original Blue and Red. Even if you've only played Blue and Red and not Gold and Silver like myself then learned about that, it's not as strong of an emotion just experiencing it right at that moment, but it's like oh wow that's awesome. The same sort of feeling you provided. But if you play Gold and Silver and you never played Blue and Red, you'd just be experiencing the game, even learning about it second hand after the fact you'd have no feelings about it because you already played through what you assumed to be "the game as it was."