Thoughts on Third Party Grading as it relates to the field of video game collecting:

[Vectorman0]

Most of the people (gamers or collectors) on these boards want a game just to play it, not to display it, or even in some cases collect it. That is why I chose to start an open discussion here. Believe it or not, others on other collectible forums have already taken notice of this hobby (i.e. collecting video games) and want to get in!

You couldn't be more wrong. You must be thinking about GameFAQs. You don't seem to realize how many people on these boards own a ton of game they have never played. Ever check out the collectors website for DP? http://videogamecollectors.com/ I'd say it's a 50/50 mix. Just because someone doesn't need MINT games doesn't mean they aren't a collector.

You also wrote about how this is going to happen eventually, so you might as well be doing it. I'll reiterate what many others said: If you aren't going to listen, then why don't you just leave and get on with starting up this company? We don't care how much you love games. I'd rather have someone who knew jack shit about games but actually cared about what we thought put their money and effort into this grading service.

Also, you have a nasty habit of editing things; and no, I'm not talking about grammar, but things you said that you decided might not be such a good idea; you don't deserve the edit feature. I've seen it, and many others have too. You should really work on fixing that.

If you were a nice guy who was cool and didn't just randomly appear on the boards one day with a know-it-all, holier-than-thou attitude, I wouldn't be arguing with you.

I also would like to apologize for the attack on you in what I think was my first post in this thread.

Finally, don't mock the spirit of DP. It encompasses what these boards are all about (having a good time, talking games, talking collecting, being with friends, but just having fun), and you are the opposite of it.

[FantasiaWHT]

Neogamer, some friendly advice. I had to force myself to stop doing this in the past, so I know when it's needed.

You don't ignore somebody by telling them that you are going to ignore them. You ignore somebody by ignoring them. If an out-of-line comment isn't worth responding to... well, don't respond to it. You've done that at least 4 or 5 times in this thread alone, I think, sometimes even kept replying after your original "I'm ignoring you" thread.

[neogamer]

Neogamer, some friendly advice. I had to force myself to stop doing this in the past, so I know when it's needed.

You don't ignore somebody by telling them that you are going to ignore them. You ignore somebody by ignoring them. If an out-of-line comment isn't worth responding to... well, don't respond to it. You've done that at least 4 or 5 times in this thread alone, I think, sometimes even kept replying after your original "I'm ignoring you" thread.

Can some one bring me up to speed about R.G.V.C. and what that stands for? If not I'll try to look it up on these boards. Some one wrote a post about it and how this thread compares to it.

Next, I actually completely agree with you FantasiaWHT!

[MarioMania]

I don't like it..That's all I'm going to say

[neogamer]

You couldn't be more wrong. You must be thinking about GameFAQs. You don't seem to realize how many people on these boards own a ton of game they have never played. Ever check out the collectors website for DP? http://videogamecollectors.com/ I'd say it's a 50/50 mix. Just because someone doesn't need MINT games doesn't mean they aren't a collector.

You also wrote about how this is going to happen eventually, so you might as well be doing it. I'll reiterate what many others said: If you aren't going to listen, then why don't you just leave and get on with starting up this company? We don't care how much you love games. I'd rather have someone who knew jack shit about games but actually cared about what we thought put their money and effort into this grading service.

Also, you have a nasty habit of editing things; and no, I'm not talking about grammar, but things you said that you decided might not be such a good idea; you don't deserve the edit feature. I've seen it, and many others have too. You should really work on fixing that.

If you were a nice guy who was cool and didn't just randomly appear on the boards one day with a know-it-all, holier-than-thou attitude, I wouldn't be arguing with you.

I also would like to apologize for the attack on you in what I think was my first post in this thread.

Finally, don't mock the spirit of DP. It encompasses what these boards are all about (having a good time, talking games, talking collecting, being with friends, but just having fun), and you are the opposite of it.

No offense, but if you go through a lot of the responses I get as a collector, you will see that most people tell me that they are buying games to play not to collect. Therefore, your first part of this argument is a little inaccurate. In fact when I first came to these boards I had a mini discussion with a fellow memeber who told me we play games here more than collect. But because you said it and you are a moderator, it must be true...

I'm not going to spend time going through post after post quoting what these others have said, but trust me, when I initially came to these boards as a collector, I felt singled out, check my first 100 posts!

Next, the "spirit of DP" comment is still laughable. I see your point of view, but please if your going to ban me, ban me, don't tell me (which you did not, personally I may add) that it is because I went against the "spirit of DP". Chances are (God you hope not) you'll be standing next to me at the next game convention!

It also amazes me about one thing. Everyone here seems to be against anyone who stands to profit in any way from this hobby. Before I even joined here I used to come to get a laugh when the items I was selling on eBay as a power seller were featured in the "eBay insanity" section. Keep in mind one thing guys, I feel the love of games and there is no way I can show that to you (apparently if you did not catch it by 500 posts you never will), but we are on a website that sells collectors guides (which I own both editions of I am proud to say) and has a store, but remeber, profiting from the hobby is bad? Am I wrong to look at it that way, come on...

Next, as to my editing! I post some content, add more, post some add more. I am sorry if you find this annoying and I will change my posting habits from now on. I know someone told me not to double post. I have tried to limit myself from doing that as well. It should be noted that this is the first INTERNET FORUM I HAVE EVER JOINED. I have a lot of personal friends who are video game collectors and read what I post here. Some of the content they agree with, some they do not. Anyway, I do see why some of them told me to avoid forums all together. At the same time, I have learned a great deal about this type of human nature and interaction at the very least...

Believe it or not, there is a great chance you already seen me at a classic video game convention or bought something from me off of eBay, I do look forward to interacting with you guys in the future...like it ot not! LOL

Apology accepted on the other stuff.

[TurboGenesis]

It also amazes me about one thing. Everyone here seems to be against anyone who stands to profit in any way from this hobby. Before I even joined here I used to come to get a laugh when the items I was selling on eBay as a power seller were featured in the "eBay insanity" section. Keep in mind one thing guys, I feel the love of games and there is no way I can show that to you (apparently if you did not catch it by 500 posts you never will), but we are on a website that sells collectors guides (which I own both editions of I am proud to say) and has a store, but remeber, profiting from the hobby is bad!


Such shameful ambitions you have. You are what is wrong with American. You are exhibit what the world is think of American. Arrgoance, greed, power, profit. So long as you and your share holders are fine you are not give a damn about anyone else any where in the world.

Your mind is a cash register and your heart a bottom line.

For you if it do not make dollars, it does not make sense.

[Sosage]

And is it just me, or does this thread remind anybody of the petty bickering that overwhelmed R.G.V.C right before people stopped posting to it?

This is barely within range of newsgroup petty bickering. That shit is a warzone compared to this. What it does remind me of, however, is how people like this show up at least once a year in other game collecting forums (hey guys I'm new! Is there a set of standards? No?!? Well. What if I make up a set of standards to help drive prices higher!!! Wait! Why are you all throwing rocks at me?!? Ow!!). This one is amusing, because he is so insulting to people that don't want to subscribe to his bullshit. I feel like I am being fooled by a slightly clever troll.


Can some one bring me up to speed about R.G.V.C. and what that stands for? If not I'll try to look it up on these boards. Some one wrote a post about it and how this thread compares to it.

You've got the MBA smarty pants, figure it out. You've made it seem like you could give a fuck about the "spirit of DP". As hippie and feel-good-fruity as that saying sounds, it does actually exist to some degree. I'm not entirely sure why anyone around here should lift a finger for your ass, seeing as you seem to mock it.

Also, just a heads up: If you can't figure out how you're insulting people (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jerk), then you're either too smug (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/smug) to see that you aren't fooling anyone with your grammar (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grammar) use or you better enroll in a class that deals with basic reading and writing comprehension (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/comprehension). English (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/English). It doesn't involve making cash (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rapacity). I know. So heart breaking (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/boohoo).

I'm typically insanely laid back around here. That should tell you something about how you're being received by the less than forgiving populace. For all I know, you're a cool guy. As of right now, from your attitude in this thread: not-so-much.

[TurboGenesis]

…Before I even joined here I used to come to get a laugh when the items I was selling on eBay as a power seller were featured in the "eBay insanity" section…


Isn't the market place only visible to registered members:?

[bangtango]

No offense, but if you go through a lot of the responses I get as a collector, you will see that most people tell me that they are buying games to play not to collect. Therefore, your first part of this argument is a little inaccurate. In fact when I first came to these boards I had a mini discussion with a fellow memeber who told me we play games here more than collect. But because you said it and you are a moderator, it must be true......

Even the serious collectors here actually play video games, so the member you talked to was right in saying "most people" here do PLAY video games.

There are guys here who have complete collections for various systems, like the NES or Sega Master System, but they still do play video games.

Vectorman0's right in that some people collect but don't need the games to be mint. That is because some of the collectors here do play the very same copy of a game that they bought for their collection. I don't know what percentage of the "collectors" here are ok with doing that, playing the very same copy they bought to "collect", but there are people who do.





It also amazes me about one thing. Everyone here seems to be against anyone who stands to profit in any way from this hobby. Before I even joined here I used to come to get a laugh when the items I was selling on eBay as a power seller were featured in the "eBay insanity" section. Keep in mind one thing guys, I feel the love of games and there is no way I can show that to you (apparently if you did not catch it by 500 posts you never will), but we are on a website that sells collectors guides (which I own both editions of I am proud to say) and has a store, but remeber, profiting from the hobby is bad!

Why not direct this little paragraph towards the guy who sells the collector's guide and owns that store and see how far you get.


It might not help with anyone else but you'd come across as a little more legitimate to me if you bothered giving some background in your experience "playing" video games and NOT selling them. You grow up on Atari? You a hardcore Sega fan? Or did you just cruise in without actually paying your dues in front of a tv with a control pad or joystick?

[Barbarianoutkast85]

Very well said. I agree 100% here.

I agree with the both of you. In general (other than for the Genesis) I buy a game because I want to play it. I wont buy it if it looks like it's been threw hell and back, but if it looks half way decent I buy it to PLAY IT!!!! There is no way in blue hell I would buy a graded game, becuase once you open it it's VOID! I'm not buying video games to put on a shelf and show off, or to put on Ebay to make a quick buck. I collect videogames because I like to PLAY videogames. This third-party grading idea is complete and utter pig-vomit! Yea, I went there.

[MachineGex]

....Next, as to my editing! I post some content, add more, post some add more. I am sorry if you find this annoying and I will change my posting habits from now on. ....
Last edited by neogamer : Today at 10:41 PM.

Let us know when those posting habits change!

[Rob2600]

Let us know when those posting habits change!

To be fair, I have a tendency to edit my posts, too. I'm a perfectionist when it comes to grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, verb tense, and overall flow.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Yeah, I'm with Rob on this one too... I do edit my posts after typing them, quite frequently. Usually its because of bad grammar or spelling mistakes... or sometimes to add information and avoid double posting...

as for trying not to totally hijack this thread (any more than has already happened)... um, third party grading is bad... mmm-kay.

[PingvinBlueJeans]

Dino just purchased an Atlantis II repo that was stated as real. I'm well aware of that...but it wasn't a repro, it was a FAKE...and a very obvious one at that. There was a fairly long thread about it at AtariAge and basically no one believed it was real, including me. The seller had no evidence to back it up and a very fishy story, which is why none of the major collectors bid on it. Dino knew this and bought it anyway. He took a very stupid chance (which he admits) and he got burned. It sucks to see him get hustled, but he should have known better...it was an obvious fake on every level.

How exactly would having an "authentication" service have helped? There's no way to force anyone to get things authenticated. Furthermore, unless the cart had the official documents to prove authenticity, you'd have to open the cartridge (and destroy the label in the process) to authenticate an Atlantis II. Most people are unwilling to do that...and many buyers would not want the cartridge if it was done.


I believe the fakes are like cockroaches for every one you spot their are 20 lurking around.
I've never seen any evidence of that...and, quite frankly, I find it extremely hard to believe considering that there are probably only about 10 or 15 genuine copies of Atlantis II in existence and they come up for sale very infrequently. The rare fakes that do pop up (like the one you just mentioned) are heavily scrutinized and usually exposed fairly quickly. The only reason why fakes pop up at all is because there's always some buyer like Dino who will take a stupid chance on something...an authentication service isn't going to help that.

Additionally, most scammers don't even bother making fakes. They just steal pictures from other auctions (like the guy who scammed Atarimania75 with that $1000 BIN Pepsi Invaders)...an authentication service wouldn't do anything to stop that.


I do know that Repo's that have been easy to spot have been advertised many times as real. A good example is the Halloween/TCM Double ender that has been advertised as real a couple of times on Ebay
I don't care what's been advertised as real...any Atari collector with half of a brain knows that Wizard never released any double-enders. So if a person buys such a cartridge thinking that it's "real", I don't know what to say to that person.



As far as someone paying stupid money for O'Sheas titles. Remember that the graded Star Wars Return of the Jedi sealed went for $150 with a buy it now. It is not hard to get a minty condition of this game sealed for $20. I am pretty sure those not familiar with O'Sheas and the 20 or so games they have would probably do the same thing.
I see people overpay for dirt-common sealed games all the time...what's your point? This wouldn't happen if people did a little bit more homework before shelling out serious money for things...paying $150 for a sealed game that can be had for $15 is utterly moronic.



True, he may not be successful with that venture either, but with the Authentication service he probably would have more of a blessing of the community as long as he did not seal the games.
Sorry, but I really don't see there ever being enough interest for an authentication service either. We don't need a service just so they can authenticate the 10 copies of Atlantis II and 20 copies of Video Life in existence and point out the occasional fake to unknowing collectors who would know better if they actually knew what the hell they were buying.

[neogamer]

Isn't the market place only visible to registered members:?

I have friends that were and still are members...

they...have opted to stay out of this thread and you can see why. Anyway, that is how I got access. They would email me the info or would show it to me, etc. during lunch, meetings, Wi-Fi hot spots or the like, but to answer your question:

it is only visible by a registered user!

[Bojay1997]

For the last time, would everyone just please stop responding to this guy? He is causing aggravation and there really is no point in debating these issues with him. The tenor of this board has changed in the last few weeks as a result of all his posts and responses and all of us are just feeding the stupidity by continuing to respond to him. There is no difference between his posts and the trolls that get banned for posting things like "Nintendo sucks" or "PS3 is garbage". He is looking to provoke a reaction and we are all falling into his trap. So, please please please stop responding to him. He will eventually go away.

[neogamer]

To answer another comment:

I got my first video game system when I was five and was instantly hooked. It was an Atari 2600! For those that don't know, and I believe I did post this info before, I collect every home based video game system, including imports.

My collection takes up two 10 X 10 climate controlled storage units and is worth approximately $55,000. Everytime I seem to talk about this someone cuts me off and thinks I am "bragging."

This is not the case. I don't know how else to explain my love of games. Any sane man who has that many video games, must love video games. All my friends and family agree that I have a genuine love of video games. In my youth, the obsession got so bad that my parents took my to a shrink! That is why I am getting a little upset when people question my love of the games themselves. I even have a lot of video game related merchandise and memorabilia that is not factored into that collection mentioned above. I have the first PAPER EDITION OF DIGITAL PRESS EVER PUBLISHED! A true collectible...LOL!

Of course, it is stashed somewhere in storage, MINT in a manilla envelope and carefully collected along with 1,000 vintage video game magazines, 250 MINT strategy guides, and many more items!

I plan to display the complete collection soon and am looking for a way to do this! Everything is in MINT collection of course! My favorite systems are the:

TURBOGRAFX-16 and TURBO DUO, NEO GEO AES, SEGA DREAMCAST, and the original NES!

Any more specific questions? I just started collecting COMPUTERS and GAMES (i.e. Apple II, Commodore 64, etc.) because I never saved the originals. Getting that stuff in MINT condition is very difficult!

Does any of this prove my love for games? If not, I don't know what else to say...

It is kind of sad because those that have seen my collection have told me in their own words "it is an awesome sight and one that needs to be displayed."

Unfortunately, right now it is all in boxes in storage. I do have several arcade machines and started to collect them as well!

[neogamer]

For the last time, would everyone just please stop responding to this guy? He is causing aggravation and there really is no point in debating these issues with him. The tenor of this board has changed in the last few weeks as a result of all his posts and responses and all of us are just feeding the stupidity by continuing to respond to him. There is no difference between his posts and the trolls that get banned for posting things like "Nintendo sucks" or "PS3 is garbage". He is looking to provoke a reaction and we are all falling into his trap. So, please please please stop responding to him. He will eventually go away.

If that is what you want, all you have to do is ask. I will gladly leave. I came here to learn from you and share ideas, but if this is not working, by all means, count me out.

Over the next few days if that is what the majority wants, I won't waste my precious time or yours.

[Lady Jaye]

I think there's a great forum waiting for you. It's linked in the following thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104297

[Kid Ice]

Chances are (God you hope not) you'll be standing next to me at the next game convention!

Is this a threat, or are you as annoying in real life as you are on the forums?

[intvsama]

Is this a threat, or are you as annoying in real life as you are on the forums?
Yah, if this was some kind of physical threat, I can tell you one video game convention you won't be standing next to anyone at.

[DigitalSpace]

If that is what you want, all you have to do is ask. I will gladly leave. I came here to learn from you and share ideas, but if this is not working, by all means, count me out.

Over the next few days if that is what the majority wants, I won't waste my precious time or yours.

Quoted in case you edit it out. I suggest checking out the forum Lady Jaye linked to.

(Or GameFAQs.)

[Sothy]

<mgriff> i want sothy to make a post about having a sealed ham sandwich
<Sothy> I like Food but think I should start a grading company where you can send me food and i will taste it then seal it and rate the taste from 0 to 10.0
<mgriff> sothy ftw
<Sothy> then you could display your delicious food and sell it for more because who wants to actually eat that shit
* Ze_ro sends Sothy a big smelly turd to grade
<Sothy> 2.3
<Ladyjaye> tune would have given it a higher mark
<Sothy> its an average based upon texture aroma and spice
<Ze_ro> Sealed turds are worth more

[FantasiaWHT]

Is this a threat, or are you as annoying in real life as you are on the forums?

Only if he talks with as many exclamation points as he types with...

But, as everyone who's looked into it knows, we generally don't write the way we speak (with the exception of trained speech-writers, whose education is basically in the art of learning how to write in natural speech patterns).

[MachineGex]

Neogamer=PSXKevin

[Little Samson]

Is it possible that the introduction of a third-party grading company into the market could actually decrease the cost of ungraded games? If so, that would actually be a benefit to those of us who want to acquire games cheaply for playing purposes.

I don't know how this has played out historically in other markets, but it seems that it would make sense to me -- prices for graded games become inflated, while collectors become less likely to purchase ungraded games, so their price drops.

Just a thought from somebody who knows very little about all this...

[Poofta!]

game collectors are such a tiny tiny tiny minority of gamers its ridiculous. dont be fooled by what you see online, it just brings us together, since there are so many fucking people in this world, it may see like a lot of us, compared to other hobbies, and the greater scheme, we're tiny bunch.

also, out of those people, the ones that actually keep their games sealed, is an even smaller bunch. so basicaly, no one gives a shit about you or your collection or your grading scale, deal with it, and go away.

what you fail to comprehend, is that most people buy new copies and pay a lot for them because they wanna open them. i mean of course this may not be true for a copy of ff7 or chrono trigger, but you get the point.

sealing and grading a game will never be the same as a new sealed one.... having a really old sealed game as it came out of the factory is different than having one sealed in carbonite or wtf you wanna do to it.


ps: have i mentioned i really dont like neogamer?

[Icarus Moonsight]

I have a better investment idea for ya. Order a Real Doll and go break her in at chuplayers house. Nothing like multiplayer fun!

I actually had some points I'd like to DISCUSS, but from the responces you've given so far (I'm gonna ignore you grade school level bs) I won't even bother.

I have no doubt now that you are highly educated in business and capitolism and it's inner-workings. As most of those people can't see the forest for the trees either.

What a load of crap. If this IS inevitable then so be it. 84 all over again... YAY! We will rise again and you'll be a 25k less rich douchebag. How's that for name calling? In my defence I'll say only this, "A rose by any other name...". Don't bother with a reply neo, I have added you to the real ignore list so I won't see it anyways. Feel free to talk shit about me behind my back though. If you are the one shit talking me, it'll be like a gold star 'round here. LOL

Have a nice day! Okay?

[ryborg]

Neogamer likes telling us how much money he makes and how important he is, all of it unprovoked. He is like a king who has townsfolk begging him to spend his vast wealth on them, only with a future MBA and probably more riches. He can wipe his ass with a $10,000 bill and write it off.


When I pay $200 for a sealed Dreamcast game(or any other sealed game for that matter) I open it!


I was approached by two interested parties to submit financial backing.


I am more willing to write the check for $25,000.00+, count it as a loss...


If you need to know I graduated with honors from ALBRIGHT UNIVERSITY in reading, PA for my bachelors in business. I am now ten months away from getting my MBA from Kutztown University, but I also take a few courses (in undergraduate work at Albright).

I work as a financial analyst at a major mutual fund company in the Philadelphia region.

I come from a "wealthy" family.... I make a good amount of money

Maybe the fact that I am educated in business hides my love for games?


I assume you still doubt my love of games though, right? Or you don't like future MBA's?


Anyway quick note: most MBA's make $70,000-$90,000 with experience. I make more than that right now.


I am great financially so backing it shouldn't be a problem. .


And I have NEVER stated what I earn in this post or before.


It is only a $25,000.00 investment and a tax write off for me...


It is interesting to note that I spend between $500 to $1,000 a month (sometimes a lot more) on video games.


$25,000.00 is a tax write off...that is it


...especially given the fact that I am an Financial analyst...


My collection takes up two 10 X 10 climate controlled storage units and is worth approximately $55,000. Everytime I seem to talk about this someone cuts me off and thinks I am "bragging."

Shut up.

[neogamer]

I think there's a great forum waiting for you. It's linked in the following thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104297

Are you aware that I don;t collect factory sealed games?

I paid over $500 for a factory sealed game already and guess what, opened it!

I guess arguing over this is done. Thanks to all that particiapted as I got what I needed at the very least. This has become an insult party were you are not even understanding what I am saying any more.

The thread above proves it...but if I said "shut up", it would be insulting, right?

How is this: GOOD BYE!

[boatofcar]

So how, without an x ray machine, are you goning to be able to asses the contents of the box or case to check for reseals or scratched discs?

I can only see this working if AFA or some other established grading company would open up a facility for grading games. One or two people slapping a grade on a game isn't going to attract anyone's attention.

neogamer, why do you feel it so necessary to bring up the money you have and your education every chance you get? There are people here much more wealthy and educated than you on these boards, yet they don't feel the need to announce it in every post.

EDIT: I didn't vote in the poll because I don't think it's either a good or bad idea. I just think it will fail without a major grading company's backing.

[98PaceCar]

Are you aware that I don;t collect factory sealed games?

I paid over $500 for a factory sealed game already and guess what, opened it!


You don't collect sealed games and if you get a sealed game you will open it, fair enough. That mimics what a lot of people here will do, myself included.

But the "service" you are proposing is going to be centered around grading and then sealing games, is it not?? That just seems a bit funny to me.

[Lady Jaye]

So how, without an x ray machine, are you goning to be able to asses the contents of the box or case to check for reseals or scratched discs?

I can only see this working if AFA or some other established grading company would open up a facility for grading games. One or two people slapping a grade on a game isn't going to attract anyone's attention.

neogamer, why do you feel it so necessary to bring up the money you have and your education every chance you get? There are people here much more wealthy and educated than you on these boards, yet they don't feel the need to announce it in every post.

EDIT: I didn't vote in the poll because I don't think it's either a good or bad idea. I just think it will fail without a major grading company's backing.

He's going to hire Superman so he can use his X-Ray vision for the good of humanity and confirm that the contents are indeed what they're supposed to be. Question is: if someone hits Supe with red kryponite, will it be possible to bribe him?

[bangtango]

Neogamer likes telling us how much money he makes and how important he is, all of it unprovoked. He is like a king who has townsfolk begging him to spend his vast wealth on them, only with a future MBA and probably more riches. He can wipe his ass with a $10,000 bill and write it off.

For someone as important as he is, he spends an awful lot of time on a message board. Probably on company time.

If I had as much money as he claims to have, the last thing I'd be doing is hanging around message boards all day. I'd be in the sack with someone or a few someone's, avoiding any and all employment. Well maybe I'd still have posts here but I'd be paying my assistant to type my posts for me. In between her giving me foot rubs and walking my dog.

[megamaniaman]

Neogamer, you need too understand a couple of things that took me a while to understand. First, this is an underground culture. Video game collecting has never enjoyed the mainstream status of Comics and Baseball cards. There are quite a few people who want it to stay this way. This is true with any underground culture. Before Emo was populor it had been around for quite awhile. The people in this culture prided themselves that they were unique. When Emo became populor a lot of those people left because it was invaded by a lot of bandwagon jumpers that crashed the party. Suddenly the Emo culture became the latest fad. I think a lot of people in the hobby have a fear of this exact same thing happening. Video Game collecting is a unique hobby. Most likely you could talk to 500 straight people and not one of them will be into this type of hobby. With the grading service people fear that the uniqueness of the hobby will dissappear and it will become just another fad. In fact go to any small town as well. Tell them that you have a plan to make their small town huge and succesful. Believe it or not most people in that town will hate you for trying to do that. Athough I definetly see the positive side to this way of thinking, I personally feel that growth is good and more people can have an appreciation for what I collect. But, again Neogamer we are in the minority when it comes to this. I hope what I have said will enlighten you.

[PingvinBlueJeans]

Neogamer=PSXKevin
Every time some new idiot shows up here, somebody mentions kevin_psx. LOL



How is this: GOOD BYE!
No, please don't leave! That would break my heart!

Funny that even though you're so highly educated, you still don't know that "goodbye" is one word.

[PapaStu]

Well I think everyone's gotten in their jabs at each other, not to mention i've seen more dead horses being beaten in this thread than any other in recent memory.

I think we're done here.

**Lockerooni**