Is there anyone like me at all who just cant get into Genesis games? [Archive] - Page 2

tomaitheous

12-02-2009, 10:58 AM

Could someone explain to me the stuff being talked about with the Genesis and SuperNes having different aspect ratios?

They're both standard 1.33/4:3/Academy ratios since they display full screen on televisions of the era that were all that aspect ratio.

How can one be different from the other? They're both the same.

We're not talking about the screen ratio. That's 4:3 (mostly, some TVs are a little off - be it internally or externally or both). We're talking about the *pixel* aspect ratio. That is, how wide the pixels are in relation to how tall they are. On your PC, almost all standard resolutions are of *square* pixels. And if you're running an LCD, *any* 1:1 to native resolution should be square pixels as well. If you view a non square pixel picture on a square pixel display device, it becomes either wider or less wide. On computers and graphic/video editors, they need to know how it looks as it would on the original device. So they *correct* the pixel's width by scaling it horizontally more or less. Genesis low res has a pixel aspect ratio of ~1.125 (it's higher res is ~0.9. This means it's pixels are slightly thinner horizontally). The SNES low res is the same as the Genesis. So, when you view screen shots like what was posted from an emulator (internal screen shots or uncorrected aspect ratio of an emulator capture/screens shots), they look incorrect on your PC. Normally, people don't care about such things, because you can observe colors and detail without correcting for the pixels (for the most part).

To get pixel aspect ratios of a device, you have to know the "dot clock" or pixel frequency. Stuff like ~6.7117mhz or ~5.38mhz, etc. ~13.433mhz is 720 pixels. But that's edge to edge. That includes the over scan area. 256 pixel mode in low res for the SNES/Genesis has an active pixel rate of ~288 pixels on a scanline, but the systems clip overscan area so it has access to vram and such to perform tasks (or give the cpu some time to change some regs). Genesis higher res has a ~360 pixels per scanline, with the system only using 320. In relation, if you viewed a 720 output signal on a TV, depending on the TV might only see between 640-680 of those pixels. There are quite a few reasons for overscan that goes beyond/derails this thread. But one thing is important, if you have overscan set to a specific percentage horizontally on you TV - you need to have the same percentage set vertically as well, else you're getting an incorrect PAR (you're warping your picture/PAR. This is what some of the test patterns you see on arcade systems on startup/reset are for). If j_factor's TV looks much different than the corrected picture I posted, then it's either his TV that is incorrect configured and/or his PC monitor isn't running in square pixel mode (this is why pro editing tools allow custom PARs, to correct for when the editing machine doesn't have square pixels either - then the PAR value changes because the base to which all PARs are calculated from is now different).

Push Upstairs

12-02-2009, 12:09 PM

Anyway, I don't get what the OP is saying, because while I only had Nintendo, I loved Genesis, too.

I had an NES and a Genesis. Pictures of Sonic 2 lured me to the Genesis, and I never once regretted it. ;)

You guys have to admit, Yuzo Koshiro played the Genny like a harp from hell. :D I guess you have to like synthesizers to be all giddy about FM.

There is a reason he is still mentioned today for this. Those dance/techno influenced tracks are spectacular. I still don't even know how he managed to get the bass he did for level 6 on "Streets of Rage".

And despite Yuzo not doing the Shinobi 3 tracks, they are equally as great.

AB Positive

12-02-2009, 02:18 PM

thom_m

12-02-2009, 03:52 PM

Too bad the best sports games it has never got sequels: Mutant League Hockey/Football.

QFT. I never liked sports games that much, but Mutant League Football is one of my favorite games ever - and somethinng that would NEVER come out for the SNES, by the way...:D

Ed Oscuro

12-02-2009, 08:47 PM

I was an NES/SNES kid. [...] Getting back into classic gaming and collecting years later, when those comparisons were less relevant I really began to appreciate the Genesis as a console for it's own merits. [...]

There are a lot of quality arcade game ports for the Genesis from the time, and back then that is what counted most and was a huge selling point for it. As an example Toaplan ported some of their best arcade titles such as Fire Shark, Truxton, and Hellfire over and they are great ports. The flagship "Genesis only" titles that came later like Sonic and Vectorman and Comix Zone were great games as well, and for those willing to explore the library a lot of great games are on this system in all categories.
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Anyone that thinks the Genny doesn't have RPGs apparently missed the fact that Final Fantasy 7 ripped off Phantasy Star IV for major plot points :D
Are you saying that a major character dies in Final Fantasy VII?! Way to spoil the game.

* in-joke

vivaeljason

12-02-2009, 09:08 PM

Anyone that thinks the Genny doesn't have RPGs apparently missed the fact that Final Fantasy 7 ripped off Phantasy Star IV for major plot points :D

Still, if you're an RPG fan and haven't played any of the Shining games or the Phantasy Star series, you're doing yourself a disservice. Great, great RPGs (or Strat-RPGs for the Shining Force games).

Genny does have a large amount of "crapware" admittedly but in the day it was known as the "SPORTS SYSTEM GRRRRRRRRRR~!" and actively pursued as many sports game developers to get that point across.

Too bad the best sports games it has never got sequels: Mutant League Hockey/Football.

Mutant League Football kicked ass. Hockey sucked, though.

My reason for replying and quoting though is to point out that while I obviously prefer the SNES, I think that both systems had their fair share of crapware. They're just about neck and neck, but the crapware was often in different genres (see: the edutainment games that the SNES had).

Atarileaf

12-02-2009, 09:13 PM

I went with Genesis because I loved two series - NHL and Road Rash. Couldn't get RR on any other system and it is my favorite game period of that era. I also found the NHL games "better" on the Genesis and no, I can't really articulate why I think its better. I like the genesis controls better so that was probably a big part of it.

I like the SNES but by the time I (we actually, I was married when we got a SNES) got one I was more into PC gaming and games like Tie Fighter and Dark Forces which you couldn't get on either system. In fact most of the 90's was a PC gaming time for me. All consoles took a backseat during that time.

Bottom line, I prefer Genesis to SNES.

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 12:05 AM

believe it or not i like Strider Returns would i like Strider?

allyourblood

12-03-2009, 12:21 AM

believe it or not i like Strider Returns would i like Strider?

I should hope so, since Strider Returns is considerably more buggy than Strider and it doesn't control nearly as well. Level design isn't as tight as the original, either. (I do like both games, by the way)

allyourblood

12-03-2009, 12:25 AM

You guys have to admit, Yuzo Koshiro played the Genny like a harp from hell. :D I guess you have to like synthesizers to be all giddy about FM.

*raises hand*

I think FM is fantastic (my DX200 and DX21 agree) and I find the music on the Genesis to be superior to the SNES as a result. I always found the SNES' GM MIDI-fied sounds to be generic and same-y. While the Genesis certainly had its fair share of junk music, when it was it good, it was good.

Dire 51

12-03-2009, 12:28 AM

So I saw the Sonic Sega Ultimate Collection for XBox360 and it seems to have almost every Genesis game you'd ever want.
Far from it, actually.

However, are there other major Genesis releases that aren't on it that anyone would recommend?
There's a ton of them that were left off (49 games barely scratches the surface of the library), which ties in to your next question:

I noticed however that Castlevania Bloodlines wasn't on it. Has this game been re-released at all? I don't own a Genesis and I'm not sure I want to pick one up for just a handful of games.
See, that's the thing: you won't ever find Bloodlines on one of these compilations unless Sega cuts a new deal with Konami. The same goes for any third-party developer that made games for the Genesis and released them under their own name: unless Sega cuts a deal with them, you won't ever see them on a Genesis compilation.

The same may also apply to titles Sega ported to the Genesis that belong to other companies - particularly, I'm thinking of Capcom here. Sega ported Ghouls 'N Ghosts, Strider, Forgotten Worlds, Chiki Chiki Boys and Mercs to the Genesis before Capcom started releasing their games themselves, but to date none of them have showed up on a Genesis compilation, and they probably never will as long as Capcom keeps releasing the original arcade versions on their own compilations.

Some other excellent games that weren't included because they were either third-party titles or Sega just chose to overlook them:

The Revenge of Shinobi
Shadow Dancer
Mystic Defender
Gunstar Heroes
Alien Soldier
Space Harrier II
After Burner II
Outrun
Wonder Boy in Monster World
Thunderforce II
Thunderforce III
Thunderforce IV
Truxton
MUSHA
Splatterhouse 2
Splatterhouse 3
Phelios
Burning Force
Rolling Thunder 2
Rolling Thunder 3
Marvel Land
Gaiares
Valis III
El Viento
Target Earth
Fire Shark
Contra Hard Corps

...and that's still only just scratching the surface. There are a ton of great Genesis games to be had, once you get past the Sonics and Vectormans (Vectormen?) and Eccos that Sega keeps insisting on shoveling onto every single compilation they release. And don't get me started on those overrated crap games Kid Chameleon and Comix Zone, which also keep coming along for the ride. I'd be thrilled if I never saw another Genesis comp that included them.

Oh well, at least Greendog: The Beached Surfer Dude has yet to resurface. Thank goodness for small favors.

Also, for the record, unless it was released on Nintendo's Virtual Console, XBLA or the PlayStation Network, I believe Castlevania Bloodlines has yet to be rereleased.

Dire 51

12-03-2009, 12:32 AM

believe it or not i like Strider Returns would i like Strider?
Sorry for double posting, but I had to say this: Strider Returns is a horrendous abortion of a game. It's not just a bad Strider game, it's a bad videogame, period.

By all means, get Strider and forget SR even exists.

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 12:40 AM

Dire 51

12-03-2009, 12:46 AM

what games would i like from it?
It would help if I knew what kind of games you like to play... although just by looking at your list, I'd recommend ditching Strider Returns, Bubsy and Pit-Fighter. Other than that, you've got a decent looking selection there.

My personal favorites out of the ones you have: Castlevania Bloodlines, Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse, Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master, Streets of Rage 2 and (on the 6 Pak) The Revenge of Shinobi, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage and Columns.

Ed Oscuro

12-03-2009, 12:51 AM

Sorry for double posting, but I had to say this: Strider Returns is a horrendous abortion of a game. It's not just a bad Strider game, it's a bad videogame, period.

By all means, get Strider and forget SR even exists.
Urzu402 might not like Strider because it's not a lazy-ass Gener-o-Platformer Design like Strider Returns is.

Dire 51

12-03-2009, 01:02 AM

Urzu402 might not like Strider because it's not a lazy-ass Gener-o-Platformer Design like Strider Returns is.
Horrible, vile excuse for a game... *grumble* It's almost as bad as Instruments of Chaos starring Young Indiana Jones (another Genesis game to avoid, folks).

Yes, I really hate Strider Returns. In fact, I've really got it in for three groups of people: the guys at Tiertex that created the thing, the guys at US Gold that thought it was a good idea to make their own Strider sequel and the guys at Capcom who licensed out the rights to Strider in the first place.

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 01:08 AM

Ed Oscuro

12-03-2009, 01:12 AM

also Ed Oscuro do you not like me or something?
I value your contributions to this Forum immensely.

But anyway, I posted that because you generally haven't been saying what you like and dislike (although you ask us to tell you what you will...wtf). Dire 51's the one who screams in his sleep when Strider Returns enters his dreams, not me. :-D

Arkhan

12-03-2009, 01:12 AM

maybe it's because I was fortunate and had both growing up, but I don't think I've ever found one to be far better than the other.

SNES had the square RPGs, but Sega had the obscure, strange ones like super hydlide, and traysia :)

Dire 51

12-03-2009, 01:25 AM

have you not read this topic at all?

i like side scrolling platformers, that dont have huge sprites or have correctly proportioned sprites i also like RPGs thats why phantasy star is in the collection but thats a different story that are polished......
Actually, I have, but I must have missed that somewhere.

ANYway, I'd say you have to try the games for yourself to see what you like, which should be easy since you own them. I can make recommendations (namely the personal favorites I listed previously), but your mileage may vary. I have a tendency to go against the grain when it comes to Genesis games and the popular opinion, you see... fan favorites like the Sonics, Vectormans and such leave me cold, but games like Mystic Defender, Space Harrier II and El Viento are right up my alley.

On a side note, you have the weakest Genesis Phantasy Star that there is. It's a decent RPG, but it falls very short of 2 and 4, which were both phenomenal.

Dire 51's the one who screams in his sleep when Strider Returns enters his dreams, not me.
It hasn't gotten that bad. Yet. But oh man, if Contra: Legacy of War shows up in my dreams, then it takes me hours to go back to sleep. That's one hell of a nightmare...

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 01:32 AM

i would scream too if strider returns entered my dreams....

DuckTalesNES

12-03-2009, 02:20 AM

Far from it, actually.

There's a ton of them that were left off (49 games barely scratches the surface of the library), which ties in to your next question:

etc. etc.

Thanks so much for a really great response. I cut it short just to save space on the reply, but that was really quite helpful for me. I had a genesis for a while growing up but I seemed to have missed nearly all of the good releases.

A followup question though, do you think that the ultimate sega collection is a good starting point? It seemed like a quite impressive collection of games for a mere $20, with many of the games I see regarded well (phantasy star etc.)

Perhaps I will try to pick up a Genesis in the future and get some of the other games you've mentioned.

Push Upstairs

12-03-2009, 02:35 AM

this is my genesis collection minus the sports games

Streets of Rage 2

what games would i like from it?

If you like this, then get "Bare Knuckle 3" (the Japanese version of SOR3). It is a bit pricey, but it is the better (ie: unaltered) version.

Also try Buster's Hidden Treasure.

kupomogli

12-03-2009, 02:44 AM

Shadow Dancer

This was on Sega Genesis Collection, though for some stupid reason not on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Not too ultimate of a collection if they can't pull over every release they've had on the previous collection.

Mimi Nakamura

12-03-2009, 04:25 AM

The OP is an idiot who wanted to get some kind of reaction from people who are into the Mega Drive.

In Japan, the Mega Drive wasn't very popular, it was more a console for "hardcore" gamers. I love Sega, and that love affair began with the Mega Drive. I don't really like RPGs, so the Mega Drive suits me better than the SFC, I much prefer skill based games.

Some games were incredibly hard though, I remember a game called "Undeadline", it was so hard!!! But very addictive. You would never find anything like it on the SFC. Also, another game I never finished was "Devil Crash". I'm gonna get my Mega Drive out and play "Bare Knuckle II" now - it's the only game I can never ever get bored of!

Sosage

12-03-2009, 04:35 AM

this is my genesis collection minus the sports games

Animaniacs
Beavis and Butt-Head
Bubsy in: Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind
Castlevania Bloodlines
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
Cool Spot
Ecco the Dolphin
Genesis 6-Pak
Mortal Kombat II
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
Pit-Fighter
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Spider-Man (1991)
Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition
Streets of Rage 2
Strider Returns
Super Thunder Blade
Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars
Vectorman
World of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck
X-Men
Zero Tolerance

what games would i like from it?

Unlike Ed, I don't hate you. I just think you're either a troll or crazy, which is lovely. I'm just curious why you are asking us which games you think you would enjoy out of YOUR own collection. For shit's sake my dear crazy troll man, grab one cartridge at a time, stick the game inside the machine, turn said machine on, play and then come back and report to us which games YOU enjoyed. We can't all play your games for you.

Wraith Storm

12-03-2009, 05:16 AM

believe it or not i like Strider Returns would i like Strider?

i would scream too if strider returns entered my dreams....

This thread is so (unintentionally?) funny that I am surprised it has stayed half as serious as it has.

It seems like everyone is being overly patient, choosing their responses carefully, not knowing rather to take the OP seriously or not. Then, from out of nowhere, Mimi drops in and doesn't sugarcoat a word of what she says. ROFL

But seriously Urzu, try playing a few of the games until you find several that you like, and then ask if there are any similar games on the Genesis. It's a better and approach than just asking "Will I like these games?"

vivaeljason

12-03-2009, 06:55 AM

Let me get this straight, Urzu...you have a collection of 30 something Genesis games already, but you can't get into the system AND you want to know which ones to play?

Let's take this one part at a time.

First, did you just randomly decide to throw all your money at a bunch of Genesis games all at the same time? That's the only explanation I have for why you'd ever buy that many games without liking the system. It seriously blows my mind that you have that many Genesis games, yet claim you can't get into the system.

Second, do you not have the time to try the games out? Just play the damn games and don't ask which ones are worth playing. Also, if you're having a hard time making a decision about which games to buy, don't make a thread about it. Go with what YOU LIKE.

Third (this one's not a question), if you don't like the Genesis despite having that many games...here's an idea: sell them. I don't have a Genesis at the moment, but I'll probably be buying one some time next year.

Dire 51

12-03-2009, 08:02 AM

Thanks so much for a really great response. I cut it short just to save space on the reply, but that was really quite helpful for me. I had a genesis for a while growing up but I seemed to have missed nearly all of the good releases.
You're welcome. There's a lot of other greats out there as well, like I said. Besides US releases, there's a lot of great imports too. Some of them have regional lockouts if made after a certain date, but even more of them don't.

A followup question though, do you think that the ultimate sega collection is a good starting point? It seemed like a quite impressive collection of games for a mere $20, with many of the games I see regarded well (phantasy star etc.)
For $20, it is. There are a lot of good games on it, even if Sega just recycled the majority of them from the previous collection. Honestly, It's worth it for the Streets of Rage and Phantasy Star games alone.

Perhaps I will try to pick up a Genesis in the future and get some of the other games you've mentioned.
I say go for it. :) You can get systems (and sometimes whole bundles) on eBay for respectable prices, and the games themselves are still reasonably priced, for the most part - at least that I've seen.

This was on Sega Genesis Collection, though for some stupid reason not on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Not too ultimate of a collection if they can't pull over every release they've had on the previous collection.
Yeah, I noticed. I'd have rather had Shadow Dancer than yet another reissue of Comix Zone.

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 09:38 AM

if you cant tell, i bought most of these games in bulk so i never had a chance to play them as you can see in my full collection with sports games, i bought quite a few genesis lots with loads of sports games and little stuff else....

Animaniacs
Beavis and Butt-Head
Bill Walsh College Football
Bubsy in: Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
Castlevania: Bloodlines
College Football USA 96
Cool Spot
David Robinson's Supreme Court
Davis Cup World Tour Tennis
Ecco the Dolphin
Evander Holyfield's "Real Deal" Boxing
Genesis 6-Pak
John Madden Football '93
Madden NFL '96
Madden NFL '97
MLBPA Baseball
Mortal Kombat II
NBA All-Star Challenge
NBA Jam: Tournament Edition
NHL '95
NHL Hockey
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
Pit-Fighter
R.B.I. Baseball '94
R.B.I. Baseball 4
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe
Spider-Man (1991)
Sports Talk Baseball
Sports Talk Football '93 Starring Joe Montana
Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition
Streets of Rage 2
Strider Returns
Super Thunder Blade
Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars
Vectorman
World of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck
World Series Baseball '95
X-Men
Zero Tolerance

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 09:41 AM

also i dont know what i would like, i learned about gunstar heroes from this thread, which is a game i plan to get, also i dont know many genesis games because like i said i was an SNES kid.

guitargary75

12-03-2009, 10:05 AM

I love the Genesis! Post=Fail!

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 10:09 AM

Castlevania Bloodlines
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
Genesis 6-Pak
Mortal Kombat II
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition
Streets of Rage 2
Strider Returns
World of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck
X-Men

are probably the games i think i could like the bolded ones are definites......

understatement

12-03-2009, 10:15 AM

also i dont know what i would like

I was going to put something witty here but I think I will agree with Mimi and leave it at that.

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 10:19 AM

also, the Sega Genesis isnt the only system i cant get into, i didnt want to post it on the classic gaming board but also the Xbox360 and PS3 i just cant get into either of them, i can get into a PS2/PS1 but not the PS3

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 06:36 PM

lets see, this is how my Genesis collection started

early on i traded a single n64 wrestling game for a Sega Genesis and Sega CD combo plus a bunch of games for it, i let my friend borrow my games and my genesis hooks, then i got them back plus all of his games, but i lost some of mine..... so i would have like 10 or 13 games by then, then later on i buy a nomad plus 12 or 11 games im not sure off of amazon........, then i buy a genesis with 14 games off of amazon because the one i got from the trade was broken, this genesis was broken (this is the one i am selling now) then i buy a 3rd this time a model one genesis and like 11 good games (non-sports). so then a few months later i find out about Castlevania bloodlines and buy it, i enjoy it, then i meet some guy off of craigs list and buy Shinobi III and Strider Returns and Mortal Kombat 2 for 10 dollars..... and i like Shinobi III and Strider Returns thats the low down on my genesis collection lol

i think thats everything lol

Gameguy

12-03-2009, 06:57 PM

believe it or not i like Strider Returns would i like Strider?

i would scream too if strider returns entered my dreams....
I don't understand, do you like the game or not? :?

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 07:01 PM

i do like the game lol, but if i was sleeping and dreaming and the game, hell if any game, came from my genesis and entered my dream i would scream because that would just be freaky..... i take everything too literally

Damaramu

12-03-2009, 07:27 PM

I think this guy is trolling DP and we're falling for it.

Seriously, look how many topics this guy started asking us our opinion when ONE would have sufficed all the while acting like he's either 8 or mentally challenged.

Hey Urzu, how about stepping away from your computer for a while and try PLAYING the games you bought?

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 08:05 PM

my posting style comes from gamefaqs, i'm afriad to bump my posts multiple times to not be disruptive also i have been thinking of theese questions at different times so i'm making multiple topics, and like i said i only have hung around gamefaqs so forgive me for not knowing how other boards work......

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 09:11 PM

i try to only bump topics when i have something to add, because gamefaqs doesnt have edit.........

also when i get games i sometimes only play them for a few minutes then i just stop i only play games that i like in that few minutes.... but now i figure that few minutes isnt enough, because when i first played strider returns i couldnt get past like the first few enemies so i stopped playing it.... i only picked it up again because of this topic i made..... that i really want to get into the genesis....... because i have the games for it lol, i dont think the games i cant get into are bad, i should have mentioned that before, but i just cant stand playing them for very long.

Ed Oscuro

12-03-2009, 10:04 PM

i try to only bump topics when i have something to add, because gamefaqs doesnt have edit.........
This isn't GameFAQs, DP does have an edit. (I doublepost occasionally though.)

Anyway, have you checked out James Bond 007: The Duel? It's a bit in the same vein as Strider Returns, not too buggy, but pretty straightforward. Hard.

Urzu402

12-03-2009, 10:09 PM

i know this is DP and not gamefaqs but i have been on the 'faqs for more than 6 years so i'm so used to posting there it follows me to other boards.

Icarus Moonsight

12-03-2009, 10:39 PM

It shows.

Ed Oscuro

12-04-2009, 12:53 AM

i know this is DP and not gamefaqs but i have been on the 'faqs for more than 6 years so i'm so used to posting there it follows me to other boards.
Funny, I've been avoiding GameFAQs message boards for...hmm, close to seven years now.

I really have nothing against 'em there, but anyway, it's a good idea to figure out how this place works. Did anybody mention the search function yet? In the years this place has been around (since at least 1999 I believe) most topics have been covered (and those that keep getting brought up again are called "evergreens," like the tree). If you're looking for help and not to just get a rise outta people there's a decent amount of quality opinionating that's been done here in years past.

tomaitheous

12-04-2009, 11:51 AM

Anyone that thinks the Genny doesn't have RPGs apparently missed the fact that Final Fantasy 7 ripped off Phantasy Star IV for major plot points :D

You only think that because you probably haven't played the bazillion jRPGs in japan for multiple consoles/computers. Outside of Japan, we only received a *small* percentage of those 8/16/32bit jRPGs.

Urzu402

12-04-2009, 10:11 PM

also to get back on this topic, i like when there is a melee weapon no shooting...... i should have mentioned that earlier

Urzu402

12-08-2009, 08:25 PM

a summary of what i am looking for in a Genesis game
Proportional or Small Sprites
Sidescrolling platformer
Polished feels like a game game
Has a Melee Weapon
Rapid Firing guns like Contra or Gunstar heroes. (if no melee weapon)

also i dont mean to troll.

Ed Oscuro

12-08-2009, 09:11 PM

Is there something wrong with Alien Soldier? Has everything but the small sprites, oh dear. ROFL

On the straight-up platformer side, there's quite a few games, too many to list. Pulseman for one of the lesser-known ones (a Japanese exclusive unfortunately).

Man, why am I helping you bump this thread?

Damaramu

12-08-2009, 09:12 PM

Check this site out, it's a great resource for Genesis games!

Super Genesis Game Repository! (http://www.google.com/)

Urzu402

12-08-2009, 09:32 PM

thanks for actually recomending a game, Alien Soldier looks like something i would like. the sprites are quite large but they are proportional
looks like i would have to get that on my Wii virtual console...... any US released games. also google doesnt help when you dont know many of the games on the system

Fuyukaze

12-08-2009, 09:48 PM

I'd recomend hitting up an online gaming database that has screen shots of the various games and offers up reviews from players who are members of the site's comunity as a means to fully explore what the system has to offer. There are a few of them out there. RFG has screen shots but sadly is lacking in reviews. GameFAQs has both. Have you tried there?

It's hard to recomend a game to someone. Tastes varry, opinions differ, and when you dont like the system yourself, it can make it next to imposible to make recomendations.

Urzu402

12-08-2009, 09:51 PM

SegaAges

12-08-2009, 10:02 PM

Honestly, I will lay it out for you:
We can sit here and recommend games to you all day, but none of it matters until you actually play the games.

I can tell you awesome games upon games for Genny, but honestly, it does not matter until you actually sit down and try out at the very least what you have.

Try out the games, if you don't like them, sell or trade them to us here at DP. One of us will happily take them off of your hands. Or if you truly despise the stuff, I can give you my address, go ahead and just get rid of everything. I would be more than happy to take them all off of your hands.

vivaeljason

12-08-2009, 10:12 PM

i've posted similar topics on gamefaqs, but no one cares really on LUE, and the Genesis board on GFaqs is next to dead. also i can list all the platformers on gamefaqs but you cant sort by reviews.... so i cant tell which ones are good by going through each one one by one.....

Urzu, if you're having a hard time finding a solid list of Genesis games tailored to what you like, I'd suggest the Video Game Critic. His reviews are short, there's usually at least one screen grab so you know what it looks like, and he's (usually) very good.

http://www.videogamecritic.net/

Fuyukaze

12-08-2009, 10:23 PM

i've posted similar topics on gamefaqs, but no one cares really on LUE, and the Genesis board on GFaqs is next to dead. also i can list all the platformers on gamefaqs but you cant sort by reviews.... so i cant tell which ones are good by going through each one one by one.....

Search by genre, then pick games at random. the boards at faqs are crap and anyone who's been around longer then 6 months know how much a joke they are. what your looking for is reviews and screen shots. nothing more. if a game doesnt have a review, make a judgment call. or try it on emulation. if the review shows a heavy biased opinion, give the game a try. sometimes picking games out at random will net you some hidden gems. explore your options if you realy want to learn what the systems strong points are.

-hellvin-

12-08-2009, 10:31 PM

http://www.sega-16.com/Home.php

Here you go...use this excellent resource

it is all you need

vivaeljason

12-08-2009, 10:33 PM

http://www.sega-16.com/Home.php

Here you go...use this excellent resource

it is all you need

I went to Sega-16 for the first time last week because of Baloo's signature. I'll second it as a resource. Excellent site.

Urzu402

12-08-2009, 11:01 PM

Sega-16 looks like a good site i think someone mentioned it earlier on in the thread, i normally look for a game title and then go to Youtube for a video review. i dont not like the genesis either.

Icarus Moonsight

12-09-2009, 04:07 AM

Tube reviews are hit and miss, well, mostly miss. If you are looking for video reviews I know that Mark at CGR (Classic Game Room) is a big Genny fan. His videos are an example of the good on YT.

Site: http://www.classicgameroom.net/

On the CGR site, you can search by console and genre to make things easier than using youtube.

Urzu402

12-09-2009, 12:50 PM

that site is giving me errors when i try to search for stuff.

Icarus Moonsight

12-09-2009, 02:20 PM

Here's the youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/InecomCompany Use the search box above the scrollable list of videos. Put in Genesis and bang, bunch of reviews one click away.

Seems like they are dealing with a whole smear of technical issues (site errors and downed forums etc), spammers and the like. Might be weird at the site until they clear it all up.

Damn, now I really want an Edison Cylinder Player...

Oldskool

12-09-2009, 08:30 PM

Nope not me, no problem at all. :rocker:

Breetai

12-09-2009, 08:43 PM

1. STOP double, triple and quadruple posting!
2. Get Thunder Force III and Thunder Force IV (Lightning Force in the USA) for the Genesis, because they are awesome. I couldn't be bothered to go through this whole thread to see if you already have them or not. Again, if you don't, GET THEM.

TRM

12-10-2009, 12:54 AM

Except for Castlevania Bloodlines i cant seem to get into Genesis games. mainly because most games use like oversized sprites for main characters and dont feel as polished possibly as SNES games what would be some Genesis games i would like?

I always felt this way as well about the oversized sprites in Genesis. I have a small set of games I enjoy for this system, but I feel that for the most part, the SNES counterparts are much better.

Urzu402

12-10-2009, 07:35 PM

well i just bought Mega Turrican i hope i like it.

Urzu402

12-12-2009, 06:51 PM

i enjoy Shinobi III greatly.

right now i'm debating on whether i should get hyperstone heist or not, i like Turtles in time for SNES but is it like the same game?

megasdkirby

12-12-2009, 06:54 PM

It plays pretty much the same, just a few differences here and there.

It's a great game, but for me, it's still repetitive.

nebrazca78

12-13-2009, 05:05 AM

And don't get me started on those overrated crap games Kid Chameleon and Comix Zone, which also keep coming along for the ride. I'd be thrilled if I never saw another Genesis comp that included them.

Are you kidding me? Kid Chameleon is one of the best games ever made.

The OP is an idiot who wanted to get some kind of reaction from people who are into the Mega Drive.

Anata wa totemo urusai desu.

a summary of what i am looking for in a Genesis game
Proportional or Small Sprites
Sidescrolling platformer
Polished feels like a game game
Has a Melee Weapon
Rapid Firing guns like Contra or Gunstar heroes. (if no melee weapon)

also i dont mean to troll.

Kid Chameleon sounds like a great game for you. Highly polished platformer, great graphics, smallish character sprite, only a couple non-melee weapons.

Other games I think you might like:

Decap Attack

Earthworm Jim

Forgotten Worlds

Ghouls'N Ghosts

Jurassic Park: Rampage Edition (The last two levels have insane graphics)

Phantasy Star II and IV, and since you have a Sega CD get Lunar: The Silver Star (the best 16-bit RPG hands down IMO). Do NOT get the remake for PS1, they screwed it up (also IMO).

Rolling Thunder 2 and 3

Any of the Shinobis you don't have

Spider-Man/X-men Arcade's Revenge (people rip on this but I thought it was a fun platformer except for Storm's stages)

The Valis trilogy (maybe not Syd Of Valis (Valis II) because the heads are huge (on purpose) if you like anime.

Vectorman 1 and 2

X-men 1 and 2

If you click the link in my signature it will take you to games I am selling on eBay right now which include most of these games. The Genesis games start on page 2.

danny_galaga

12-13-2009, 05:10 AM

I really couldn't get into my megadrive until i tried Revenge of Shinobi. That is a great game and one of the early ones for the system. I also really love Comix Zone but that has pretty big sprites which you are averse to. Dragons Fury is a great pinball sim if you are into those...

SplashChick

12-13-2009, 05:30 AM

From my experience the reason why people "don't enjoy a system" is pretty much ALWAYS because they don't actually know enough about the games on it to know what they would enjoy. If you do some research into what games are on it, you're almost guaranteed to find something enjoyable.

Dire 51

12-13-2009, 03:28 PM

Are you kidding me? Kid Chameleon is one of the best games ever made.
I hated Kid Chameleon back then, and I hate it now. And that wasn't because I didn't try: I spent hours playing it after it was released, only to reach the conclusion that it nearly bored me to sleep, therefore I never wanted to play it again. It's just not my cup o' the proverbial leaf beverage.

Keep in mind, you are talking to someone that feels Super Mario Bros. 3 is a long, boring slog of a game overcrowded with superfluous worlds and overly annoying segments that ceases to be fun in the middle of stage 2. The only game that I've played that's more boring is the annoying fetch-quest Super Mario 64. I'm in the minority here, and I know it. But hey, it's how I feel.