Is there anyone like me at all who just cant get into Genesis games?

[SplashChick]

I hated Kid Chameleon back then, and I hate it now. And that wasn't because I didn't try: I spent hours playing it after it was released, only to reach the conclusion that it nearly bored me to sleep, therefore I never wanted to play it again. It's just not my cup o' the proverbial leaf beverage.

Keep in mind, you are talking to someone that feels Super Mario Bros. 3 is a long, boring slog of a game overcrowded with superfluous worlds and overly annoying segments that ceases to be fun in the middle of stage 2. The only game that I've played that's more boring is the annoying fetch-quest Super Mario 64. I'm in the minority here, and I know it. But hey, it's how I feel.

You just don't like the jumpan gaems, that's all.

Because Super Mario 64 is CLEARLY amazing to me.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Dire isn't the only one though. Some Mario games are fun, but 64 was pretty bleh to me too. Sunshine, meh. Galaxy was the first 3D Mario I really got into.

[Dire 51]

You just don't like the jumpan gaems, that's all.

Because Super Mario 64 is CLEARLY amazing to me.
I'm glad you liked it. You can have it.

For the record, the only SMB games that I've truly enjoyed are 1, 2/USA and World. Land wasn't bad either. I didn't care for Yoshi's Island, as it felt to me like it suffered from some of the same problems I have with 3.

Now, before this totally derails, an attempt to get back onto the Genesis topic at hand: Urzu, since you liked Shinobi III, check out Revenge of Shinobi and Shadow Dancer.

[Urzu402]

i also like Mega Turrican, if i can stop it from freezing
so 3 games i most like for genesis are

Castlevania Bloodlines
Shinobi III
Mega Turrican

[tomaitheous]

Can you make a list of games you did try and didn't like?

[Urzu402]

Beavis and Butt-Head
Bubsy in: Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind
Cool Spot
Ecco the Dolphin
Pit-Fighter
Super Thunder Blade
Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars
Vectorman
Zero Tolerance

these are the games i dislike in my collection not including the sports games i have

[SplashChick]

Wow, no wonder you didn't like the thing.

[tomaitheous]

Well, I love the Genesis and pretty much don't like any games on his list either.

[Dire 51]

Yeah, no kidding. If those were the games I started out with, I wouldn't like the system either. Ecco and Vectorman alone would have been enough to turn me against the Genesis for good.

[kupomogli]

Because Super Mario 64 is CLEARLY amazing to me.

I don't see how Super Mario 64 has as many fans as it does. Each stage can be circled in about a minute each and it's nothing more than a collectathon. I'd assume after first playing the game that if the terrible camera doesn't turn you away from te game, the fact that you're going to most stages 50 times(exaggeration) to collect all the stars would.


these are the games i dislike in my collection not including the sports games i have

Your Genesis collection sucks Urzu.

[Urzu402]

i never said it didnt lol

[JSoup]

Yeah, no kidding. If those were the games I started out with, I wouldn't like the system either. Ecco and Vectorman alone would have been enough to turn me against the Genesis for good.

But I liked Ecco and Vectorman. ;_;

[vivaeljason]

Beavis and Butt-Head
Bubsy in: Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind
Cool Spot
Ecco the Dolphin
Pit-Fighter
Super Thunder Blade
Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars
Vectorman
Zero Tolerance

these are the games i dislike in my collection not including the sports games i have

With the exception of Vectorman, these games are kind of shitty. Ecco the Dolphin is okay, I guess, but it always bored me to tears. Vectorman's one of my favorites, though.

But yeah...Pit-Fighter? Ugh. Cool Spot? Double ugh. Beavis and Butt-head? Dear God.

[Dire 51]

But I liked Ecco and Vectorman. ;_;
To each their own, of course. They're all yours.

[Urzu402]

i know a lot of people like vectorman, but i dont get what all the hub bub is about.

[Dire 51]

Neither do I. Neither it or its sequel ever clicked with me.

[vivaeljason]

I think Vectorman is comparable to Donkey Kong Country in that while both games were nothing special in terms of gameplay for their genre, they look gorgeous in terms of graphics and stretch the system to its absolute limits.

Even though the game is nothing special, it IS fun and the levels were designed fairly well. While it may not have aged gracefully, it's still worth playing in my book.

[Urzu402]

i just tried to play it, i keep getting killed by those brown golem looking things and i cant dodge the dragon flies.

[The Shawn]

i just tried to play it, i keep getting killed by those brown golem looking things and i cant dodge the dragon flies.



Well, maybe you kinda suck?

[Urzu402]

i'm ok at every other game though, i can make it to the surfing level in Shinobi III.

[tomaitheous]

I think Vectorman is comparable to Donkey Kong Country in that while both games were nothing special in terms of gameplay for their genre, they look gorgeous in terms of graphics and stretch the system to its absolute limits.
Except Vectorman doesn't have gorgeous graphics ;) I've seen much better on the Genesis.

[SplashChick]

Except Vectorman doesn't have gorgeous graphics ;) I've seen much better on the Genesis.

This. Vectorman just seemed really mediocre to me. It was way overrated IMO.

Ecco the Dolphin is good, it's just hard as freaking hell.

[Dire 51]

Vectorman just seemed really mediocre to me. It was way overrated IMO.
I can get behind this statement.

[vivaeljason]

Except Vectorman doesn't have gorgeous graphics ;) I've seen much better on the Genesis.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I like Vectorman's graphics. Consider the backgrounds and the fact that the various pieces of Vectorman are animated on a piece by piece basis, as opposed to the usual sprites. Also, the Genesis's color palette was pushed to the limits thanks to the use of shadows.

I admit, there are better games on the Genesis in terms of graphics (Gunstar Heroes is gorgeous and I'm a huge fan of Comix Zone) but on a technical level, I don't think the Vectorman games can be beat.

[colicub]

Actually, if you're wondering about what games to get, you could do worse than checking out the database at (now effectively dead, sadly) http://www.genesiscollective.com/ and seeing if anything takes your fancy.

I'd also second Kid Chameleon, Revenge Of Shinobi and Castle Of Illusion, but I'd suggest Toejam & Earl: Panic On Funkotron, Toki and The Legend Of Galahad.

[JSoup]

i just tried to play it, i keep getting killed by those brown golem looking things and i cant dodge the dragon flies.

Which is one of the major problems with Vectorman. The game feels like it wasn't designed with a control pad in mind. Try playing it via Sonic Mega Collection with an analog stick and you'll notice a drastic difference.

[Leo_A]

Which is one of the major problems with Vectorman. The game feels like it wasn't designed with a control pad in mind. Try playing it via Sonic Mega Collection with an analog stick and you'll notice a drastic difference.

Why would the analog stick make a difference? It doesn't magically give the game analog control, it's still the same 8 way control you'd get with a d-pad.

You must just suck at the game.

[JSoup]

Why would the analog stick make a difference? It doesn't magically give the game analog control, it's still the same 8 way control you'd get with a d-pad.

Yeah, there's no difference between mashing two directions at once in a vein attempt to create a diagonal motion and simply pushing a stick made for such a thing in the direction you wish to go.

No difference at all, right?

[kupomogli]

Ecco the Dolphin

This game bored me at the start. When I got stuck early on in the game, that was a good stopping point for me because I already didn't like it.


Vectorman

Good controls, that's it. Level design sucked balls.

It's a good thing I never played these games until the Sega Genesis Collection came out, because it really doesn't make me think that bad about the system because I played a lot of other games.

I already listed Gunstar Heroes, Strider, and Phantasy Star 4, here are some others I like for the Genesis.

Altered Beast(Genesis version > Arcade version.)
Castlevania Bloodlines
Splatterhouse 2(Splatterhouse 3 sucks btw.)
Mega Man Wily Wars/Rockman Mega World
Fireshark
Dick Tracy
Crusader of Centy
Golden Axe
Golden Axe 2
Shining Force
Shining Force 2
Gain Ground
Mutant League Football
Rings of Power
Rambo 3
Sonic 3d Blast
Sonic Spinball

Those are probably my favored on the system. There are some games I enjoy but I wouldn't say they're the best. Landstalker and Beyond Oasis are both good games but for how much they're praised and what people would make you believe, they're extremely overrated.

Twin Cobra is an awesome game which I never would have played if it wasn't for Bloodreign, but the Genesis version sucks ass. Graphically and how it's designed it's pretty much an arcade perfect port with better quality music and two major flaws. On the arcade it's got that wide up and down screen like most shooters have. On the Genesis version it has massive sprites and you only see 1/3 of the action in comparison to the arcade version since it's 4:3. Then the enemy bullets fire twice as fast on the Genesis version so not only do you have a small movement space, you're almost shot the instant an enemy shoots unless you're already moving and then move the opposite direction immediately.

[SplashChick]

This game bored me at the start. When I got stuck early on in the game, that was a good stopping point for me because I already didn't like it.

So you didn't even really try it. Okay...

[Dire 51]

(Splatterhouse 3 sucks btw.)
I'd argue that with you if I already hadn't said "to each his own" several times in this thread.

That said, for an opposing viewpoint, Splatterhouse 3 is great. :D Of course, keep in mind that I wouldn't be who I am if I didn't feel that way.

[kupomogli]

I'd argue that with you if I already hadn't said "to each his own" several times in this thread.

That said, for an opposing viewpoint, Splatterhouse 3 is great. :D Of course, keep in mind that I wouldn't be who I am if I didn't feel that way.

The first two are amazing, but the third one being a different type of game is probably one reason I dislike it. The second thing is that compared to literally any other beat em up I've played, it just felt so slow paced and boring. I've never played the NES game(is it even based on the same series?)

Once you complete the first area the second area is just more of the same enemies with more hits to take down.

[Valkrazhor]

Large sprites are a plus for me. I think they are to most people as well. Have you seen Alien Soldier in action on the Genesis? The large sprites make that game look awesome. The size of them remind me of the Neo-Geo Art of Fighting series in a way, a game that marketed its large sprites as a selling point.

Genesis games are a bit more unforgiving than Super Nintendo games. In this regard the Genesis is much like the NES. This isn't a flaw but just a different generation of gaming. I don't consider the Genesis and Super Nintendo the same generation in terms of game play. I enjoy both systems but when I play them I don't go in expecting to compare them because they are too different. Genesis is more old school style.

Sega has always catered more to the arcade crowd. Many of the companies that made games for the Genesis were fans of the arcade as well. This is why you see companies like Vic Tokai making obscure shooters like Battlemania for the system and having a hidden screen where the two heroines of the game stomp on a SNES. The fan base is much smaller but the fans are often die hard cult followers. Because of this, the GOOD games on the Genesis are often the extremely obscure games that little have heard about and more often than not they are shmups. So if you want to get into the Genesis you need to delve into this side of the spectrum. Still new games are being made for the Genesis too and is a testament to the Genesis's devoted fan base. Pier Solar anyone? (If it ever get's finished...) Sure there are a few mainstream greats like Shinobi 3 and such, but at its core the obscure and niche is where the Genesis does "what Nintendon't". Battlemania, Underline, Twinkle Tale, Alien Soldier, Alisia Dragoon, M.U.S.H.A., Ranger-X, V-V, etc. the list of the hardcore goes on and on. Notice how nearly every game I mentioned was a shooter? Variety is where the SNES definitely trumps the Genesis despite what others say. I dig shooters though so hey, I'm not complaining. I have to admit though, the Genesis is not for everyone. If some casual gamer friends or those just not interested in arcade style gaming come over(which is much more often than not), Genesis is not the system I will usually turn on. That award goes to the SNES.

As for those having issues with the sound... Personally I love the sound the Genesis pumps out. It has a unique bass-filled synthesized sound that I totally dig. I'm a huge fan of NES sound though, moreso than SNES sound; so go figure. Turn on Streets of Rage 2 and crank up the volume and then tell me that the Genesis doesn't sound awesome.

[Dire 51]

The first two are amazing, but the third one being a different type of game is probably one reason I dislike it. The second thing is that compared to literally any other beat em up I've played, it just felt so slow paced and boring.

Once you complete the first area the second area is just more of the same enemies with more hits to take down.
Not the first time I've heard that, and I actually can see where you're coming from. I will say that SH3 is my least favorite Splatterhouse game, but I do find it to be quite engrossing and challenging (but not in a bad way), and I certainly don't regret trading what I did for it back when it first came out.

But again, to each their own.


I've never played the NES game(is it even based on the same series?)
It seems to be to Splatterhouse what Kid Dracula is to Castlevania. It's good, more of a platformer than any of the other games in the series, and it's completely wacky. It even has a Michael Jackson "Thriller" spoof. However, it doesn't seem to be canon as far as the main series is concerned.

[Dire 51]

This is why you see companies like Vic Tokai making obscure shooters like Battlemania for the system and having a hidden screen where the two heroines of the game stomp on a SNES.
I've never heard about this screen until now. I must see it, because I love hidden stuff like that. Is it in Battlemania 1 or 2?


The fan base is much smaller but the fans are often die hard cult followers. Because of this, the GOOD games on the Genesis are often the extremely obscure games that little have heard about and more often than not they are shmups. So if you want to get into the Genesis you need to delve into this side of the spectrum. [...] Sure there are a few mainstream greats like Shinobi 3 and such, but at its core the obscure and niche is where the Genesis does "what Nintendon't". Battlemania, Underline, Twinkle Tale, Alien Soldier, Alisia Dragoon, M.U.S.H.A., Ranger-X, V-V, etc. the list of the hardcore goes on and on.
That does seem to sum it up pretty succinctly. Nearly all of the Genesis games I own fall into that category, and if you mention any to someone that strictly equates the Genesis with Sonic, for example, you're liable to get a blank stare.

[Valkrazhor]

I've never heard about this screen until now. I must see it, because I love hidden stuff like that. Is it in Battlemania 1 or 2?


That does seem to sum it up pretty succinctly. Nearly all of the Genesis games I own fall into that category, and if you mention any to someone that strictly equates the Genesis with Sonic, for example, you're liable to get a blank stare.

The hidden SNES stomp is in Battlemania 1 and you need two controllers plugged in to do it as I remember. I forgot the button combination but you can find it on the internet, that's how I found out. It's a bit hard to dig up though.

As for Sonic, I never really understood why most Genesis fans tote that as the systems flagship series. It really isn't. The Genesis installments all pale in comparison to Super Mario World in almost every regard. People really need to be pumping up Shinobi 3 and Streets of Rage 2, two of its best mainstream games as far as I'm concerned. When I was young I liked Sonic series for for its flashy loops and speed but when I play the games now they are just boring. Running through every level hopping on a few enemies here and there which happen to appear under you as you fly through levels is not my idea of fun. The game play is too fast so I can't really enjoy the level design. Every time I run through a level it feels like random button mashing. I tried to take the levels slow but that doesn't work either. Sometimes I still pop them in for nostalgia alone but without nostalgia the Sonic series is hollow in my opinion. I have to admit though, for whatever reason I enjoyed Sonic CD quite a bit and some of the later 2D Sonic games like Sonic Rush on the Gameboy Advance have some fun gameplay.

[Dire 51]

The hidden SNES stomp is in Battlemania 1 and you need two controllers plugged in to do it as I remember. I forgot the button combination but you can find it on the internet, that's how I found out. It's a bit hard to dig up though.
I'll do some hunting and see what I turn up, then. Thanks for the tip!


As for Sonic, I never really understood why most Genesis fans tote that as the systems flagship series. It really isn't. The Genesis installments all pale in comparison to Super Mario World in almost every regard. People really need to be pumping up Shinobi 3 and Streets of Rage 2, two of its best mainstream games as far as I'm concerned. When I was young I liked Sonic series for for its flashy loops and speed but when I play the games now they are just boring. Running through every level hopping on a few enemies here and there which happen to appear under you as you fly through levels is not my idea of fun. The game play is too fast so I can't really enjoy the level design. Every time I run through a level it feels like random button mashing. I tried to take the levels slow but that doesn't work either. Sometimes I still pop them in for nostalgia alone but without nostalgia the Sonic series is hollow in my opinion.
It sounds like the only difference between you and me is that I never really liked the Sonic games, even back when they first came out. Other than that, I agree with you 100% here - especially about pumping up Shinobi III and SoR 2. Those two can never get enough exposure. :D

[Kid Fenris]

I'll do some hunting and see what I turn up, then. Thanks for the tip!


Hold Start, Right, and C on the second controller when the Sega logo comes up. It only works on Battle Mania, the Japanese version of Trouble Shooter.

To save anyone else the trouble, here's what you see.

http://kidfenris.com/battlefami.GIF

And with that, Vic Tokai brought an end to the great Genesis-SNES war.

Well, sort of. Battle Mania 2 has enemies that look like little caped Marios in one level.

[Valkrazhor]

Hold Start, Right, and C when turning the game on. It only works on Battle Mania, the Japanese version of Trouble Shooter.

To save anyone else the trouble, here's what you see.

http://kidfenris.com/battlefami.GIF

And with that, Vic Tokai brought an end to the great Genesis-SNES war.

Well, sort of. Battle Mania 2 has enemies that look like little caped Marios in one level.

Battle Mania 2 is such an amazing game. Leagues better than the already great original.

[Push Upstairs]

As for Sonic, I never really understood why most Genesis fans tote that as the systems flagship series. It really isn't.

I guess the reason is because Sonic is a game series that has some mass appeal.


The Genesis installments all pale in comparison to Super Mario World in almost every regard.SMW pales compared to SMB3, but that is just my opinion.

As for Sonic games, they are a different challenge. You are either going to enjoy the speed and the exploring of alternate paths, or not.

I personally happen to enjoy the music of the Sonic games more than SMB3 or SMW. I find it to be far more memorable.....but I love that synthy stuff.

[Valkrazhor]

I guess the reason is because Sonic is a game series that has some mass appeal.

SMW pales compared to SMB3, but that is just my opinion.

As for Sonic games, they are a different challenge. You are either going to enjoy the speed and the exploring of alternate paths, or not.

I personally happen to enjoy the music of the Sonic games more than SMB3 or SMW. I find it to be far more memorable.....but I love that synthy stuff.

I understand the two series are much different in game play. I was just comparing them due to the 16-Bit wars being a big "Mario vs. Sonic" debate. I'm with you on the Sonic music being more memorable. That's one area where the series really shined. Especially in the case of Sonic CD.

[danny_galaga]

Wow, no wonder you didn't like the thing.



ROFL

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[PresidentLeever]

Battle Mania 2 is such an amazing game. Leagues better than the already great original.

Agreed. Its only real flaw is the lack of challenge, even on hard mode.

Here's that Mario cameo:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/Alianger/TroubleShooterMario.jpg

[SplashChick]

Battle Mania 2 is such an amazing game. Leagues better than the already great original.

Your posts need more hyperboles.

[Valkrazhor]

Beavis and Butt-Head
Bubsy in: Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind
Cool Spot
Ecco the Dolphin
Pit-Fighter
Super Thunder Blade
Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars
Vectorman
Zero Tolerance

these are the games i dislike in my collection not including the sports games i have

Here is my current collection. I love the Genesis. Maybe you should try some of these to wash that sour taste out of you mouth:

Sonic
Sonic 2
Shinobi III
Shadow Dancer
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Streets of Rage 3(get the Japanese version only)
Contra Hard Corps(get the Japanese version only)
Alien Soldier
Mickey Mania
Mickey: Castle of Illusion
Mickey: World of Illusion
Ranger X
M.U.S.H.A.
Gunstar Hero's
Jurassic Park(for nostalgic purposes only)

I must admit that I do enjoy Cool Spot though, for nostalgia alone. Ecco the Dolphin isn't half bad either but I'm a sucker for atmospheric games. To me atmosphere is just as important as gameplay.

I still have a lot of games on my want list but I feel that the ones in my collection are all great starters if you are just beginning your collection... Aside from Sonic 1-2 being a bit played out and Jurassic Park a bit mediocre. If you play all of these games and don't like the Genesis, then give up on ever liking it!

[Leo_A]

Yeah, there's no difference between mashing two directions at once in a vein attempt to create a diagonal motion and simply pushing a stick made for such a thing in the direction you wish to go.

No difference at all, right?

Nope, and I have to question just what controller you are using on the Sega Genesis if you're incapable of being able to activate a diagonal on the control pad consistently and reliably.

Switch to a first party gamepad, or find a new controller since your present one isn't working correctly.

Or go back and learn how to play with a digital control pad since it's obvious you've failed terribly at it.

[Valkrazhor]

Your posts need more hyperboles.

Hyperboles are one of the joys of the English language. Besides, I'm a script writer. I can't help but use them.

[Urzu402]

Sonic - while i dont think they're bad i dont think they are all that great sonic games
Sonic 2 - see sonic 1 though 2 is quite possible my favorite with knuckles
Shinobi III - Great one of my favorite games on the genesis
Shadow Dancer - i might like this because it is a shinobi game but the 1 hit and your dead thing might throw me off
Streets of Rage - have it on 6-pak its decent
Streets of Rage 2 - another one of my favorites
Streets of Rage 3 - (get the Japanese version only) another possible, why the japanese version only? i cant get the japanese version -_-
Contra Hard Corps(get the Japanese version only) - i understand the japanese version is easier, but i can only get the us version this is a definite game i am getting
Alien Soldier - i dont think this was released in the US
Mickey Mania - have the sega cd version im not to thrilled over it
Mickey: Castle of Illusion - i believe i have castle of illusion it is ok but i dont know i cant really get into it, if i dont have castle of illusion then i have world of illusion
Mickey: World of Illusion - see castle of illusion
Ranger X - dont know but looks to be ok a little too many sprites on screen
M.U.S.H.A. - dont know
Gunstar Hero's - want this game
Jurassic Park(for nostalgic purposes only) - i had a chance to get this but i passed it because of the big sprites in the game

[JSoup]

Nope

Stopped reading there.

[Dire 51]

Hold Start, Right, and C when turning the game on. It only works on Battle Mania, the Japanese version of Trouble Shooter.

To save anyone else the trouble, here's what you see.

http://kidfenris.com/battlefami.GIF

And with that, Vic Tokai brought an end to the great Genesis-SNES war.
Awesome. Thanks!

[Valkrazhor]

Sonic - while i dont think they're bad i dont think they are all that great sonic games
Sonic 2 - see sonic 1 though 2 is quite possible my favorite with knuckles
Shinobi III - Great one of my favorite games on the genesis
Shadow Dancer - i might like this because it is a shinobi game but the 1 hit and your dead thing might throw me off
Streets of Rage - have it on 6-pak its decent
Streets of Rage 2 - another one of my favorites
Streets of Rage 3 - (get the Japanese version only) another possible, why the japanese version only? i cant get the japanese version -_-
Contra Hard Corps(get the Japanese version only) - i understand the japanese version is easier, but i can only get the us version this is a definite game i am getting
Alien Soldier - i dont think this was released in the US
Mickey Mania - have the sega cd version im not to thrilled over it
Mickey: Castle of Illusion - i believe i have castle of illusion it is ok but i dont know i cant really get into it, if i dont have castle of illusion then i have world of illusion
Mickey: World of Illusion - see castle of illusion
Ranger X - dont know but looks to be ok a little too many sprites on screen
M.U.S.H.A. - dont know
Gunstar Hero's - want this game
Jurassic Park(for nostalgic purposes only) - i had a chance to get this but i passed it because of the big sprites in the game

Shadow Dancer is not that hard of a game so the one hit kill thing shouldn't detract from your experience too much. The only hard level really is the last one. The rest can be mastered in a matter of days.

The USA version of Contra Hard Corps ins ungodly hard. So much so that it loses a lot of its fun. I highly recommend seeking out a Japanese copy if you can get together the funds to do so. Otherwise settle with the US version but you've been warned.

As for Streets of Rage 3, the Japanese version is the way to go because the US version is changed drastically. The boss on the first stage, a raging homosexual who slaps you for his attack, was taken out and replaced. You can actually play as this guy too via a button combination after you beat him which is good for a few laughs. The difficulty in the Japanese version is decreased as well just like Contra though it's not as big of a deal here since Streets of Rage 3 USA version or not is still a much easier game than Contra Hard Corps will ever be. For some reason the color pallet was also changed and the bomb exploding in the intro was cut. I think there are some other changes as well that I can't list off the top of my head. You can easily find them on Streets of Rage fan sites across the internet.

Anyway... Happy future gaming on your Genny.

[Urzu402]

my top 5 genesis games that i own
1. Castlevania Bloodlines
2. Shinobi III
3. Mega Turrican
4. Strider Returns
5. Streets of Rage 2

also does anyone know of any websites that compare Genesis games with their SNES counterparts? like Castlevania Bloodlines to Super Castlevania IV and Hyperstone Heist to Turtles in Time.

[Valkrazhor]

my top 5 genesis games that i own
1. Castlevania Bloodlines
2. Shinobi III
3. Mega Turrican
4. Strider Returns
5. Streets of Rage 2

also does anyone know of any websites that compare Genesis games with their SNES counterparts? like Castlevania Bloodlines to Super Castlevania IV and Hyperstone Heist to Turtles in Time.

Speaking of Mega Turrican, does anyone know if it got a Japanese release? What about Super Turrican as well? I can't find much info on the net so I'm assuming no. I'm in Japan so that's why I'd like to know.

As for Turtles in Time and Hyperstone Heist... I have never played the later so I can't really make a judgement. I have heard nothing but bad things about it though when compared to Turtles in Time so keep that in mind if you're thinking about picking it up.

[Dire 51]

4. Strider Returns
Trust me, you need to dump that and replace it with Strider. Comparing the two will be like a revelation to you: namely, it'll be revealed just how shoddy of a game Strider Returns is.


also does anyone know of any websites that compare Genesis games with their SNES counterparts? like Castlevania Bloodlines to Super Castlevania IV and Hyperstone Heist to Turtles in Time.
The closest I could think of is Hardcore Gaming 101, and that's a bit of a stretch. They may cover differences, but only if they've done an article on the series and the games are related closely enough. I'm pretty sure the differences between the Genesis and SNES versions of Sunset Riders were covered there, for example - short summary: same name, different games (just like the Genesis and SNES versions of Sparkster).

To date, there is no Castlevania article (nor will there probably ever be). TMNT I think was covered.

[Push Upstairs]

Jurassic Park(for nostalgic purposes only) - i had a chance to get this but i passed it because of the big sprites in the game

ROFL

I'm sorry, this is a silly reason to not like this game. I'd give you "spotty controls" or "terrible graphics" but the Raptor and Dr. Grant sprites were not "big".

"Sword of Sodan" had big sprites, JP did not.

[nebrazca78]

I hated Kid Chameleon back then, and I hate it now. And that wasn't because I didn't try: I spent hours playing it after it was released, only to reach the conclusion that it nearly bored me to sleep, therefore I never wanted to play it again. It's just not my cup o' the proverbial leaf beverage.

Keep in mind, you are talking to someone that feels Super Mario Bros. 3 is a long, boring slog of a game overcrowded with superfluous worlds and overly annoying segments that ceases to be fun in the middle of stage 2.

Well if you don't like Mario 3 then I'll file your opinions under "insane". But then again Pit-Fighter is one of my all-time favorites so I don't think we're on the same page. But you do like Splatterhouse... so who knows.


i also like Mega Turrican, if i can stop it from freezing
so 3 games i most like for genesis are


Clean the pins on the cartridge and if that doesn't work clean the connector on your Genesis.



As for Streets of Rage 3, the Japanese version is the way to go because the US version is changed drastically. The boss on the first stage, a raging homosexual who slaps you for his attack, was taken out and replaced.

This doesn't sound like much of a reason to only go for the Japanese version. It's a great game, okama or not.


ROFL

I'm sorry, this is a silly reason to not like this game. I'd give you "spotty controls" or "terrible graphics" but the Raptor and Dr. Grant sprites were not "big".


I hope you're talking about the original JP and not Rampage Edition. The graphics in the last level of Dr. Grant's episode are eye-popping.

[Dire 51]

Well if you don't like Mario 3 then I'll file your opinions under "insane".
Yeah, I get that a lot. Some people actually seem genuinely upset because I feel that way. To them it must be horrible, knowing that someone's actually had the balls to stand up and say that no, they don't have an eternal erection over this so-called "masterpiece" of a game like the rest of the world. And what's worse, these same people seem even more upset because I've challenged its status as this holiest of holies in the gaming community at large, simply by calling it overrated.

Surely I am a blasphemer of galactic proportions. :D But hey, can't change how I feel.


But then again Pit-Fighter is one of my all-time favorites so I don't think we're on the same page.
Eh, I don't mind the arcade version of Pit-Fighter so much, but the home versions... meh.

[fahlim003]

ROFL

I'm sorry, this is a silly reason to not like this game. I'd give you "spotty controls" or "terrible graphics" but the Raptor and Dr. Grant sprites were not "big".

"Sword of Sodan" had big sprites, JP did not.

Jurassic Park had terrible graphics? Ah com'on! The jumping was a little dodgy but overall, the game looked pretty good and played pretty well. It's one of my favourites.


I hope you're talking about the original JP and not Rampage Edition. The graphics in the last level of Dr. Grant's episode are eye-popping.

Is eye-popping good? Also, you're referring to the Visitor's Center, right? I don't notice anything too good or bad here, but it's alright. Rampage Edition looks better on the whole and has a better feeling regarding controls. A decent sequel although some of the levels in RE lack the same bite as in JP.

[Urzu402]

i prefer the SNES Jurassic Park even though i never played the genesis one just from the videos i have seen of the genesis one.

also i am looking for cheap sleeper hits like Mega Turrican.

[Push Upstairs]

I hope you're talking about the original JP and not Rampage Edition. The graphics in the last level of Dr. Grant's episode are eye-popping.

Yes. "Rampage Edition" controls better than the original game. Sucks that all the sprites have an obvious black line around them.

[nebrazca78]

Yeah, I get that a lot. Some people actually seem genuinely upset because I feel that way. To them it must be horrible, knowing that someone's actually had the balls to stand up and say that no, they don't have an eternal erection over this so-called "masterpiece" of a game like the rest of the world. And what's worse, these same people seem even more upset because I've challenged its status as this holiest of holies in the gaming community at large, simply by calling it overrated.

Surely I am a blasphemer of galactic proportions. :D But hey, can't change how I feel.

It really doesn't make any difference to me. I know there are tons of things that I like that other people certainly don't and vice versa. Like when PS1 came out and people were going crazy over Toshinden, Tekken, Twisted Metal and Wipeout. I though they sucked and most people I knew looked at me like I was a mental patient when I said so.



Eh, I don't mind the arcade version of Pit-Fighter so much, but the home versions... meh.

I don't like the arcade game because to me the D-pad is better than the joystick for this one. Especially since the arcade version is so much harder than the home ports on their default difficulty levels. You need to double-tap left or right quickly to do the evade move which is the most important move in the game. I prefer the Genesis version. The SNES version is total crap. I wonder how good the SMS version is?



Is eye-popping good? Also, you're referring to the Visitor's Center, right? I don't notice anything too good or bad here, but it's alright. Rampage Edition looks better on the whole and has a better feeling regarding controls. A decent sequel although some of the levels in RE lack the same bite as in JP.

Eye-popping is good. I'm talking about Rampage Edition here, I haven't played the original JP yet. Dr. Grant's raft level is cool and then when you get to the T-Rex the graphics get completely insane.


Yes. "Rampage Edition" controls better than the original game. Sucks that all the sprites have an obvious black line around them.

Yeah, it does make the characters look kind of weird and I don't see why it was necessary. Also I always thought it was funny that the dinosaurs attack you and the security guys shoot at you, but the dinosaurs never attack the security guys. Like they're on the same team or something.

[SplashChick]

It really doesn't make any difference to me. I know there are tons of things that I like that other people certainly don't and vice versa. Like when PS1 came out and people were going crazy over Toshinden, Tekken, Twisted Metal and Wipeout. I though they sucked and most people I knew looked at me like I was a mental patient when I said so.

Well I remember people going crazy over how crappy Toshinden was. =/

[vivaeljason]

Well I remember people going crazy over how crappy Toshinden was. =/

Battle Arena Toshinden was great...until people realized that Tekken blew it out of the water.

[Melf]

also does anyone know of any websites that compare Genesis games with their SNES counterparts? like Castlevania Bloodlines to Super Castlevania IV and Hyperstone Heist to Turtles in Time.

Sega-16 has a feature series that does precisely this. We have a TMNT comparison going up soon, as well as one for all three versions of Ys III.

[Dire 51]

It really doesn't make any difference to me. I know there are tons of things that I like that other people certainly don't and vice versa. Like when PS1 came out and people were going crazy over Toshinden, Tekken, Twisted Metal and Wipeout. I though they sucked and most people I knew looked at me like I was a mental patient when I said so.
Been there too. In fact, the only one of those I actually kind of liked was Wipeout, but I always thought it could have been done a lot better. Sure enough, Wipeout XL came along and proved me right.


I don't like the arcade game because to me the D-pad is better than the joystick for this one. Especially since the arcade version is so much harder than the home ports on their default difficulty levels. You need to double-tap left or right quickly to do the evade move which is the most important move in the game. I prefer the Genesis version. The SNES version is total crap. I wonder how good the SMS version is?
I tried the SMS version once, and oh man, I was not impressed. The arcade game I kind of have a soft spot for, because it's attached to some find memories of mine. The SNES and Genesis games... you're right, the SNES version sucks, and the Genesis version is all right for what it is. I won't lie, I did log quite a bit of time on my brother's copy way back when all I had access to was just a couple of Genesis games.

[genesisguy]

Except for Castlevania Bloodlines i cant seem to get into Genesis games. mainly because most games use like oversized sprites for main characters and dont feel as polished possibly as SNES games what would be some Genesis games i would like?

I don't understand how someone can be into the SNES and not the Genesis. Growing up when they were the current Generation I can see someone favoring one over the other(I sure did). But now in 2009 as a guy who grew up loving the Genesis and often times talking down to SNES fanboys during my childhood I find the SNES to be the closest thing I can play and collect for to the Genesis.

[Urzu402]

Just that the SNES had more appealing games to me than the Genesis at the time so I didnt really want any new games for it. Also it didn't help that I was in the dark about Genesis games so I don't know which ones I like for it. Yeah I had gaming magazines but they weren't untill the N64 PS1 era.

[Doonzmore]

I'm kinda the same way but towards the PS1 and Xbox. I own a decent amount of games for both consoles that I have enjoyed, but when both were in their prime, I always went for the N64 or Gamecube version. Maybe it was because I was so fascinated with how games fared in the cartridge format compared to the CD counterparts or I just wanted to support the Nintendo more.

[AB Positive]

I can make a super simplified version of the comparisons...


TMNT Hyperstone v. In Time:

Same game. Think Turtles in Time, on the Genesis. There's a few differences but mainly, it's the same game.




Castlevania Bloodlines v. Super Castlevana IV:

Not even CLOSE to the same game. Bloodlines, to me, is much harder - and SC4 is by far the more polished looking/feeling game.

Bloodlines is a great game, don't get me wrong, but oh my god. Compared even to CV3 on the NES - freaking hard game. That level where the visuals are split horizontally into what looks like different dimensions? Kill me.

[Urzu402]

I actually like Bloodlines more than Super Castlevania IV, maybe I just like the idea of having 2 playable characters, meaning more replay value. Even though I can't get past the second stage of either game.

[Aswald]

I couldn't.

I was given a Genesis some years back, since it did not work. The only problem was a cracked circuit board, so I fixed it.

After a few weeks, I gave it back. The games did nothing for me at all, even if Strider was impressive enough.

[megasdkirby]

I actually like Bloodlines more than Super Castlevania IV, maybe I just like the idea of having 2 playable characters, meaning more replay value. Even though I can't get past the second stage of either game.

Each one is pretty much different, at least for me.

The Genesis version resembles more "classic NES" Castlevania, while the SNES version seems like a different version, albeit the same.

Bloodlines has some fantastic tunes, specially "Iron Blue Intention" (as called in PoR). But if I had to choose between the two, I prefer the SNES version, simply because the game was more "accessible" than the NES counterparts (part I and III). The difficulty was just right. The Genesis version was good too, but I prefer the SNES version more.

[Urzu402]

The Classic Game Room review of Lightening Force made me lol. It was the Lightening jokes.

[SplashChick]

I couldn't.

I was given a Genesis some years back, since it did not work. The only problem was a cracked circuit board, so I fixed it.

After a few weeks, I gave it back. The games did nothing for me at all, even if Strider was impressive enough.

Amazing how you managed to fix the system, acquire and play all the noteworthy games, and then give the system back in only a few weeks.

[Breetai]

i prefer the SNES Jurassic Park even though i never played the genesis one just from the videos i have seen of the genesis one.The sad thing is that I don't think you know what's wrong with this statement.