Super Street Fighter IV

[Nirvana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Street_Fighter_IV

Can't wait for this to come out. I've been away from these forums for quite awhile, but I thought this game would definitely be worth discussing. I'm a huge fan of Street Fighter IV and I never really stopped playing it since it's release.

Here's a video of a lot of the new ultras:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gKV0wCC4EY

As most of you guys know, I use Cammy, and her new ultra is a counter ultra. A lot of people are knocking it right now, but I think I'll be able to put it to good use. I've had some success in local Chicago tournaments with Cammy. My accomplishments are:

- Finishing second to Floe in a tourny awhile back, think I posted a thread on it...
- Beating Floe in a money match
- Tying for 9th at Frosty Faustings, one of our biggest tournaments to start out the year

I don't intend on switching mains as I've used Cammy in every SF, but I'll look to try and get decent with everyone like I did with SFIV. I definitely intend on checking out Adon.

(Edit: Also, I changed my gamertag, as you can see in my sig. If I haven't played you in SFIV, send me a friend request!)

[spaceFarmer]

I'm very exited about this. Street Fighter 4 is what compelled me to get into this currents gen. This will be a day one buy for me.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I just hope they don't Nerf 'Geif. Hell, I say pump him up over Sagat. LOL

[Nirvana]

It'd be kinda odd if they nerfed Gief. I'd imagine it's tough against the better competition since all smart players know it's best to just run away from the big guy o_O

Sagat is supposedly getting nerfed, but it just seems like he's getting better. I think they're giving him some counter type of move o_O I think they should get rid of his ability to cancel his step kick into any of his specials. That gives him the ability to cover the distance he is typically unable to because of his slow walk speed.

[Mayhem]

No one is getting nerfed as far as I know, they are just getting new tools to utilise...

[Overbite]

Ibuki, Dudley, and Makoto were just confirmed as in

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3756/dudlhawkz.png
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6172/1266368771746.png

[Damaramu]

Ha! I think we all knew those 3 would be in the game. It's nice to have official confirmation. Dudley looks a bit weird. I cannot wait to play Ibuki (my favorite SF3 character). Strange that all the new female characters are barefoot, though....

[SamuraiSmurfette]

Awesome addition of Ibuki! Always did enjoy her.

but Dudley? O.o

[Icarus Moonsight]

Skullorama... Skullorama... Skullorama! :dance:
Hey, SFIV pretty much merged the regular and EX series. It could happen.

[G-Boobie]

Awesome addition of Ibuki! Always did enjoy her.

but Dudley? O.o

Dudley is a genuine BEAST in third strike, my friend, and a player favorite. I'm excited to see high level Dudley vs. Balrog play, if only to satisfy my inner nerd. I hope he's as fun as he is in 3S. If so, I'll be picking him up.

Looking forward to this more than any other game this year. I'm interested to see what they did with my mains Blanka and Chun Li: I'll be happy if they give Blanka an Ultra that links a bit easier than his vanilla SFIV Ultra, and if they fixed Chun's Ultra 1 so it doesn't throw your opponent out of the move if you hit them when they're in a juggle state. I hate that.

[DreamTR]

Nirvana: Random select money matches vs Floe don't count =P if you beat his Sagat then yes, lol

This game is going to piss people off. People don't realize how nice they had it in SF4....balance is going to FUNNN in this one...wheeee

[G-Boobie]

Nirvana: Random select money matches vs Floe don't count =P if you beat his Sagat then yes, lol

This game is going to piss people off. People don't realize how nice they had it in SF4....balance is going to FUNNN in this one...wheeee

What makes you think that? Were you at one of the hands on events? I'm not defending the game (I haven't touched it and know nothing), I'm just curious, especially with the game being at Evo this year.

Nirvana, are you going to be at the tournament this Saturday in Chicago? Failing that, will you be at Midwest Championship in May?

[MarioMania]

No Sean :(

[Nionel]

Awesome, I'm so glad to see Dudley in, with the addition of him and Makoto, they added two of my faves from SFIII.

"Let's fight...like gentlemen."

[ubersaurus]

This game could be sweet, but somehow I doubt it'll get anywhere near as much play from my crew as it would have if Tatsunoko vs Capcom hadn't already come out.

[DreamTR]

GBoobie: All everyone has done about SF4 is complain about it needing to be rebalanced and "their" characters needing more stuff done to them. I've been playing SF competitively since 1991 and this is definitely the most balanced of the SF games sans ST. People don't know how good they have it when it's already decent sans making Guile and Vega's Ultras useful. When you add more characters to the mix and a new system, something is bound to happen to to characters probably becoming unusable. Look at CVS2 and MVC2. Those games have a plethora of characters but only 8 or so are used in tournament play.

I'm not saying the game is going to be bad by any means, I am merely referring to the balance being changed not to what everyone thinks they are going to like.

[Ze_ro]

They really need to get Alex in there. He was by far the most interesting new character in SF3. Makoto is lame.

--Zero

[sidnotcrazy]

They really need to get Alex in there. He was by far the most interesting new character in SF3.

--Zero

Man, I would love to see Alex back!

[portnoyd]

They really need to get Alex in there. He was by far the most interesting new character in SF3. Makoto is lame.

SRSLY. But then again, they put him in TvC and that other one that no one likes... which is all the more reason to put him here.

[Kid Fenris]

They really need to get Alex in there. He was by far the most interesting new character in SF3. Makoto is lame.

--Zero

Alex is easily the dullest Street Fighter III character. He's blandly designed, devoid of personality, and not all that fun to play when compared to the rest of the cast.

Besides, he's in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.

--Zero

[Nirvana]

DreamTR: At the tourny where I finished second only to Floe, he used Akuma and absolutely obliterated me and everyone else with him. So I told him to pick Akuma, which he did and I beat him in the money match. Sure, this maybe isn't a big accomplishment to a pro player like you, but I'm not quite on that level yet. I'm just like everyone else here. So me beating a pro player was a big deal to me at the time, especially since this guy wins most, if not all, the tournaments in the Midwest. Sure, the competition here isn't the best especially compared to the EC or WC, but it's like weak divisions in football. You can only win in what you're in. Also, I agree with your balance statement. SFIV really is balanced quite well, and SSFIV will make things very difficult, however if Capcom can pull it off I will be very pleased.

Anyway, the 3rd Strike characters look cool, but I can't see myself using any of em. I think the top 3 most used characters of the new cast will be Dudley, Guy, and Juri.

G-Boobie: I can't make it to this Saturday's tournament because of work, however I do intend on going to the Midwest Championship. Have I ever faced you on Live? Maybe we can get some games in.

[ubersaurus]

GBoobie: All everyone has done about SF4 is complain about it needing to be rebalanced and "their" characters needing more stuff done to them. I've been playing SF competitively since 1991 and this is definitely the most balanced of the SF games sans ST. People don't know how good they have it when it's already decent sans making Guile and Vega's Ultras useful. When you add more characters to the mix and a new system, something is bound to happen to to characters probably becoming unusable. Look at CVS2 and MVC2. Those games have a plethora of characters but only 8 or so are used in tournament play.

I'm not saying the game is going to be bad by any means, I am merely referring to the balance being changed not to what everyone thinks they are going to like.

I will agree that anyone complaining about SF4 Sagat being broken has never played anyone half decent with Sagat in CvS2 :P There is some stupid shit in SF4 I'd like them to tweak up, though, like that ridiculous double roundhouse combo of Sagat's, or the fact that links are both a pain in the ass and really, really good. I dunno, Capcom has a trend of improving on the first iteration of a game, so I'm expecting Super to be a sweet enough game.

But what is this ST balanced nonsense? I've always felt that game has had awful balance that people overlooked because it was damn fun anyway. I mean, consider those numerous matches where Fei Long, or Cammy, or Gief, or even Honda couldn't do shit vs matches they straight up dominate(well, in Honda's case). To say nothing of Akuma!

I'm looking to attend MWC as well; now that I have a car that can make that drive. It should provide an excellent chance to go job hunting too...

[MarioMania]

I thought there going to be 10 added characters

the Wiki says 8

[Nirvana]

The Wiki has 9, and the last character has yet to be revealed. The rumor list says it will be a man named Hakan who is a wrestler obsessed with oil or something.

[MarioMania]

I want Karin

[Overbite]

Its gonna be Terry Bogard

[Overbite]

Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zY1WGnnlLk

[Nirvana]

Not much of a 3S player myself, so the inclusion of these characters isn't as huge of a deal as it should be for me, however Ibuki just looks ridiculously good. I mean, I know she can do all that stuff in 3rd strike, but damn. I don't want to run into that.

[youruglyclone]

Skullorama... Skullorama... Skullorama! :dance:
Hey, SFIV pretty much merged the regular and EX series. It could happen.

Don't you mean SkulloMANIA?

[Nirvana]

Video of Dudley vs Sagat:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/supersf4/video/6250992/super-street-fighter-iv-dudley-vs-sagat-gameplay-movie?hd=1&tag=videos;hd;1

Makoto vs. Ibuki

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/supersf4/video/6250993/super-street-fighter-iv-makato-vs-ibuki-gameplay-movie?hd=1

My take:

- Dudley's voice should be deeper...shouldn't it? o_O
- Speaking of voices, I can't stand Makoto's screaming when she gets hit O_O
- Cross Counter is going to be pretty nasty.
- Ibuki's Kunai ultra looks awesome. I have a feeling she'll be top tier...she's so damn quick and seems like she has a ton of options.

[SamuraiSmurfette]

Dudley is a genuine BEAST in third strike, my friend, and a player favorite. I'm excited to see high level Dudley vs. Balrog play, if only to satisfy my inner nerd. I hope he's as fun as he is in 3S. If so, I'll be picking him up.



Alex is easily the dullest Street Fighter III character. He's blandly designed, devoid of personality, and not all that fun to play when compared to the rest of the cast.


What he thinks of Alex, I think of Dudley. I'd take Alex anyday. Bleh.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Don't you mean SkulloMANIA?

Doh! I think that's what I usually called him... Haven't played an EX title for a long time. I always remember the battering ram-like body-launched headbutt move. Hence, Skull-o-rama. LOL

[G-Boobie]

GBoobie: All everyone has done about SF4 is complain about it needing to be rebalanced and "their" characters needing more stuff done to them. I've been playing SF competitively since 1991 and this is definitely the most balanced of the SF games sans ST. People don't know how good they have it when it's already decent sans making Guile and Vega's Ultras useful. When you add more characters to the mix and a new system, something is bound to happen to to characters probably becoming unusable. Look at CVS2 and MVC2. Those games have a plethora of characters but only 8 or so are used in tournament play.

I'm not saying the game is going to be bad by any means, I am merely referring to the balance being changed not to what everyone thinks they are going to like.

Ah. I think you're probably right, but I expected that. Any fighting game with that many characters is going to have it's balance issues, and SFIV is fairly well balanced across the board, but I'm taking a wait and see approach. TvC UAS is pretty well balanced, which might be a first for a Vs. series game... Maybe they can do it right in SSFIV.



I'm looking to attend MWC as well; now that I have a car that can make that drive. It should provide an excellent chance to go job hunting too...

We should get some games in before that.

Nirvana: Yes, we've played a few Cammy vs. Blanka matches long long ago, but a look at my XBL friends list shows that we're not friends anymore. I must have made an impression. :) Hit me up on Live if you're interested, gamer tag "Geoffvdl". Or, if you can get up here on any given Saturday, come to a GRAPSF.com meetup. Local play beats online anyday. (You too, ubersaurus).

[DreamTR]

Ubersaurus: I'm not even doing MWC this year, Keits is doing it and I am letting him use the name. I will decide on whether or not I am returning to it next year or leaving it permanently but I just don't have the time/resources dedicated to give MWC justice at the moment...

Also, in the original ST, every single character has a chance of winning regardless. It's not like someone picks someone and just destroys someone or gets dominated in a match. T Hawk and Cammy are supposed to be bad, but those characters have won tourneys and placed high. Honda basically wins every match against non projectile characters and is supposed to get destroyed by Ken/Ryu, but you have just realize you can't jump at certain angles because you will get swept if you do...it's really just making your move, but in terms of overall play, it is VERY balanced compared to Alpha 2, Alpha 3, CVS1, CVS2; etc...any of the other SF games are very, very top heavy...

[Nirvana]

Nirvana: Yes, we've played a few Cammy vs. Blanka matches long long ago, but a look at my XBL friends list shows that we're not friends anymore. I must have made an impression. :) Hit me up on Live if you're interested, gamer tag "Geoffvdl". Or, if you can get up here on any given Saturday, come to a GRAPSF.com meetup. Local play beats online anyday. (You too, ubersaurus).

I actually have too many people on my friends list, and from time to time I just delete people who I honestly have no idea who they are O_O I just forget easily. I'll add you right now and I'll get some more games in with you sometime soon.

eventhubs.com has a video of the 3S characters' ultras. So much hype for this game.

[ubersaurus]

Ubersaurus: I'm not even doing MWC this year, Keits is doing it and I am letting him use the name. I will decide on whether or not I am returning to it next year or leaving it permanently but I just don't have the time/resources dedicated to give MWC justice at the moment...

Also, in the original ST, every single character has a chance of winning regardless. It's not like someone picks someone and just destroys someone or gets dominated in a match. T Hawk and Cammy are supposed to be bad, but those characters have won tourneys and placed high. Honda basically wins every match against non projectile characters and is supposed to get destroyed by Ken/Ryu, but you have just realize you can't jump at certain angles because you will get swept if you do...it's really just making your move, but in terms of overall play, it is VERY balanced compared to Alpha 2, Alpha 3, CVS1, CVS2; etc...any of the other SF games are very, very top heavy...

I know you're not working on MWC this year. I'm hoping Keits can put together a good event at any rate :P

While I will agree that ST probably has some of the best balancing in a Capcom game - had the same discussion with my friend "AVX" earlier today about how capcom games have 59045 characters and 3 good ones - it's still pretty wonky. You said it yourself with Honda dominating half the cast and getting his fat ass beat by fireballers. If I'm playing Fei Long, I am screwed against Honda. And of course, there is a reason why Akuma ended up banned in the first place...

Personally I like HD Remix's balancing vs. ST, but it's not like there's a massive gap there.

[Famidrive-16]

Its gonna be Terry Bogard

Where's all this talk coming from? I keep hearing people talk about Terry but I can't find any solid speculation WHY he'd be in SIV.

(nice solis av btw)

[Nirvana]

Where's all this talk coming from? I keep hearing people talk about Terry but I can't find any solid speculation WHY he'd be in SIV.

(nice solis av btw)

XD It's just about confirmed it's Hakan if you watch til the end of the trailer.

[Nirvana]

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/35904/super-street-fighter-iv/videos/ssf4_trl_trailer_30810.html

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/35904/super-street-fighter-iv/videos/ssf4_trl_hakan_juri_30810.html

Hakan videos. He looks ridiculous. No wonder they revealed him last XD

[Zoltor]

Sweet Ibuki is in this, one of my frends is gonna freak when he hears this.

Is there any word of Akuma being in this game as well?

PS. Going on the record, SF 3rd strike is my second favorite fighting game(my first being Marvel Vs Capcom ofcourse), the whole double motion+ punch or kick for a special, actually fucking works in that game(the contols are flawless), where every other game using that method to do supers, work whenever the hell they please(including the new damn SF 4 game. You would think if they got it right in 3rd Strike, they would carry over the coded controls for that aspect, but neh you're better off with just sticking to mini specials in SF 4, that's how much of a crap shoot the real specials are. It also doesn't help that the PS3 controllers suck balls either, but that belongs to another topic).

[.Singe]

Sweet Ibuki is in this, one of my frends is gonna freak when he hears this.

Is there any word of Akuma being in this game as well?

PS. Going on the record, SF 3rd strike is my second favorite fighting game(my first being Marvel Vs Capcom ofcourse), the whole double motion+ punch or kick for a special, actually fucking works in that game(the contols are flawless), where every other game using that method to do supers, work whenever the hell they please(including the new damn SF 4 game. You would think if they got it right in 3rd Strike, they would carry over the coded controls for that aspect, but neh you're better off with just sticking to mini specials in SF 4, that's how much of a crap shoot the real specials are. It also doesn't help that the PS3 controllers suck balls either, but that belongs to another topic).

Uhhh

1.Akuma was in the original game.

2.And there are people who completely blow stick users out of the water with a controller. The PS3 controller is definitely better than the 360's so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Hakan is a joke. I'm more than just a little irritated that he was made.

[staxx]

I am waiting for
Super Street Fighter IV Turbo Hyper 20th Anniversary Edition EX Plus Alpha

[Damaramu]

Meh. Hakan looks retarded. Imagine all the other characters we could've had...and we get Hakan instead. :|

[Red Warrior]

So is Hakan a new character or is he from some other Capcom game? I've never heard of him before.

Leave it to the Japanese to make something as stupidly weird as a fighter who lubes himself up and rubs other fighters all over his body. Not really a fan.

[Zoltor]

Uhhh

1.Akuma was in the original game.

2.And there are people who completely blow stick users out of the water with a controller. The PS3 controller is definitely better than the 360's so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Hakan is a joke. I'm more than just a little irritated that he was made.

I never said I liked the 360 contoller either, playing FPS with that controller is awkward at best(atleast the 360 controller is an original idea, and not stolen though), but that doesn't change the fact, the PS3 controller sucks.

There was no reason to alter the design of the PS2 controller for PS3, Sony scewed up, plain and simple, lets not defend them. Don't fix what Isn't broken.

Is Akuma in the regular SF4(still in the middle of unlocking everyone, since I only play that over my friend's house, I haven't had enough time to unlock every char yet). However, I don't see your point, nor does it answer my question, is he in Super Street Fighter 4?

[G-Boobie]

So is Hakan a new character or is he from some other Capcom game? I've never heard of him before.

Leave it to the Japanese to make something as stupidly weird as a fighter who lubes himself up and rubs other fighters all over his body. Not really a fan.

He's new.


I never said I liked the 360 contoller either, playing FPS with that controller is awkward at best(atleast the 360 controller is an original idea, and not stolen though), but that doesn't change the fact, the PS3 controller sucks.

There was no reason to alter the design of the PS2 controller for PS3, Sony scewed up, plain and simple, lets not defend them. Don't fix what Isn't broken.

Is Akuma in the regular SF4(still in the middle of unlocking everyone, since I only play that over my friend's house, I haven't had enough time to unlock every char yet). However, I don't see your point, nor does it answer my question, is he in Super Street Fighter 4?

Yes, he is. They aren't taking anyone out for SSFIV.

Five bucks says he has the Shun Di system. The more oil you have on ye, the more damage you do.

I cannot imagine all the 'no homo' assertions this character will be responsible for at Evo this year.

[Zoltor]

He's new.



Yes, he is. They aren't taking anyone out for SSFIV.

Five bucks says he has the Shun Di system. The more oil you have on ye, the more damage you do.

I cannot imagine all the 'no homo' assertions this character will be responsible for at Evo this year.

Ok cool thanks.

[Icarus Moonsight]

First rule of SSFIV... Do not turn your back to Hakan...
Second rule... Anyone that selects Hakan, has to play with their hands and controller soaked in baby oil.

[ubersaurus]

Hakan looks awesome. Just watching the trailer makes me crack up and want to play as the guy. It's a really sad day when people are complaining about an awesome, new, goofball character because he's not yet another old hat in a game full of them.

[G-Boobie]

Hakan looks awesome. Just watching the trailer makes me crack up and want to play as the guy. It's a really sad day when people are complaining about an awesome, new, goofball character because he's not yet another old hat in a game full of them.

Totally agreed. Viable joke characters are the absolute best kind. If the gods are kind, he'll be as fun to play as El Fuerte, only he;ll be... You know, good.

[portnoyd]

rofl, Hakan hopefully we'll be top tier. I can only pray.

[Zoltor]

I know you're not working on MWC this year. I'm hoping Keits can put together a good event at any rate :P

While I will agree that ST probably has some of the best balancing in a Capcom game - had the same discussion with my friend "AVX" earlier today about how capcom games have 59045 characters and 3 good ones - it's still pretty wonky. You said it yourself with Honda dominating half the cast and getting his fat ass beat by fireballers. If I'm playing Fei Long, I am screwed against Honda. And of course, there is a reason why Akuma ended up banned in the first place...

Personally I like HD Remix's balancing vs. ST, but it's not like there's a massive gap there.

While akuma is very versatile, he is far from unbeatable.

Lol@ the remark about E Honda crushing anyone up close(he can be good for sure, but he's pretty damn slow as well, Ken, and Ryu can easily crush him, with out ever shooting a single Fire Ball, and I sware E Honda would never beable to beat a good close range char like Guile).

Question: If you ban Akuma, what do you do about char like Ibuki or Sakura, they are pretty damn close to Akuma in versatility/power(Akuma is probally "slightly" better, but close enough, that if you ban Akuma, you should ban those two char as well)?

[Kitsune Sniper]

Oh god.

He looks like a perverted Mike Haggar D:

[Icarus Moonsight]

What would be really sick, if Hakan is greased up then throws attempted on him would fail. I think I saw in that first vid, Geif tried to noodle him and it was like grabbing a water weenie. LOL

[DreamTR]

While akuma is very versatile, he is far from unbeatable.

Lol@ the remark about E Honda crushing anyone up close(he can be good for sure, but he's pretty damn slow as well, Ken, and Ryu can easily crush him, with out ever shooting a single Fire Ball, and I sware E Honda would never beable to beat a good close range char like Guile).

Question: If you ban Akuma, what do you do about char like Ibuki or Sakura, they are pretty damn close to Akuma in versatility/power(Akuma is probally "slightly" better, but close enough, that if you ban Akuma, you should ban those two char as well)?

Zoltor: Read what ubsersarus wrote again carefully. He's referring to Super Turbo (ST) not Street Fighter IV.

[Therealqtip]

<- worst street fighter player to date.

[kedawa]

Hakan looks amazing. You haters are crazy.

[G-Boobie]

What would be really sick, if Hakan is greased up then throws attempted on him would fail. I think I saw in that first vid, Geif tried to noodle him and it was like grabbing a water weenie. LOL

Icarus, if your idea isn't true, it should be. The possibilities... I'm not the kind of person who gives a shit about a fighting game characters 'back story' (if you can even call it that) anyway: the important thing is how they play. If Hakan makes idiots uncomfortable about their sexuality while I'm squeezing them like a tube of toothpaste, so much the better. Mind games!

[BoomerRaid]

Originally Posted by DreamTR View Post
GBoobie: All everyone has done about SF4 is complain about it needing to be rebalanced and "their" characters needing more stuff done to them. I've been playing SF competitively since 1991 and this is definitely the most balanced of the SF games sans ST. People don't know how good they have it when it's already decent sans making Guile and Vega's Ultras useful. When you add more characters to the mix and a new system, something is bound to happen to to characters probably becoming unusable. Look at CVS2 and MVC2. Those games have a plethora of characters but only 8 or so are used in tournament play.

I'm not saying the game is going to be bad by any means, I am merely referring to the balance being changed not to what everyone thinks they are going to like.

I can't say that SF4 is the most balanced game thus far. I could say that Third Strike (SF3:3S) is possibly in a level higher than SF4 due to the many factors of the game, including footies, mindgames, character balance (yes, any character can beat any character- you just have to play smart and learn the matchups inside and out just like almost every 2D fighting game out there...)

The reason why I literaly stopped playing SF4 was to play a game that you can learn so much more than just chain pokes to moves all day, which with most characters in SF4 that's what in most cases start a good portion of the entire chracter list to a decent combo string for at least 25-30% damage with a certain amount of buffering included.

Example: you can start Gief's combos w/o doing a fierce splash, and just drop w/ a crossover knee short, then do a couple of crouched jabs, stand for a jab, short, then EX Vanishing Flat for about a good 30-32% energy. Aside from that, I wasn't that serious with the game to begin with, but I still play it to learn the matches. This is why I
chose Gief among every other character: he FEELS like his combos are almost the same in Alpha 3 in a way without the custom combo inputs.


Alex is easily the dullest Street Fighter III character. He's blandly designed, devoid of personality, and not all that fun to play when compared to the rest of the cast.

Besides, he's in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.

I doubt it. A good leveled Alex can face almost anyone in the entire char list in terms of 3S and even in TvC, but there will always be ways people can avoid his mind game/bomb/block stun setups that'll make it harder for him to come close.
In this case, in 3s, Chun, Makoto, and even Ibuki give Alex the most hardest matchups thus far. In TvC, he can face up to a good portion of the entire char list as well as give
the big titan chars a run when you can just stun gun headbutt on them for a free combo or reset. Not bad for a guy that can hold his own without a fireball, eh?

In terms of style and depth, he's a well balanced character with good stun ability
a chance for people to have him as a staple while learning other characters. And besides, I've played Alex since the first installment back in '97, while learning how to play the older games with mid tier characters.

Until then I look forward how Mecha Z and other people (Cody, Adon, T.Hawk, aka the Alpha 3 Mob) will fare up. All I know is with Gief/Akuma matches, Gief dominated it 8-2 thanks to his Siberian Blizzard Anti Air special, and that's a plus..About time they made him more feared to those that love to fly the undfriendly skies...

[Zoltor]

Now, generally who gives a shit about the street fighter story right, but something really bothered me in SF IV.

Dan(you know, one of the crappiest char ever made)is suppose to be Sakura's Sensei, is this some kind of joke or were the devs high when they wrote that?

Dan Sakura's master, what an insult, not to mention it makes no sense what so ever(they have completely different styles, lol if you can even call what Dan does, a Style).

To DreamTR: Oh ok.

[G-Boobie]

[B]I can't say that SF4 is the most balanced game thus far. I could say that Third Strike (SF3:3S) is possibly in a level higher than SF4 due to the many factors of the game, including footies, mindgames, character balance (yes, any character can beat any character- you just have to play smart and learn the matchups inside and out just like almost every 2D fighting game out there...)

I'm not sure I agree. Third Strike is an awesome game, and high level players like Renic (and his crazy Alex) can take low tier characters to great places, but every Evo and SBO, you see the same characters finishing top eight: Chun, Yun, Ken, Dudley, and Makoto. Kuroda's Q doesn't count, on the grounds that Kuroda isn't actually human. That says a lot about the balance of the game right there.

[kedawa]

Now, generally who gives a shit about the street fighter story right, but something really bothered me in SF IV.

Dan(you know, one of the crappiest char ever made)is suppose to be Sakura's Sensei, is this some kind of joke or were the devs high when they wrote that?

Dan Sakura's master, what an insult, not to mention it makes no sense what so ever(they have completely different styles, lol if you can even call what Dan does, a Style).

To DreamTR: Oh ok.
Dan isn't really her sensei. It's a joke referencing Dan's delusions of grandeur.
Dan likes to think the other street fighters that he befriends(sakura, blanka, maybe others) are his students.

[Zoltor]

Dan isn't really her sensei. It's a joke referencing Dan's delusions of grandeur.
Dan likes to think the other street fighters that he befriends(sakura, blanka, maybe others) are his students.

Oh ok thanks, I figured it must be a bad joke(not to mention he was more full of him self, then usual), but there was no real proof of it.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Dan Hibiki's Hooked on Phonics: Taunting Students into Being Better Readers.

[DreamTR]

Boomer: That's a definite negative. There are only 5 top level characters in 3s. Yun, Chun-Li, Ken, Urien, and Makoto. Everyone else has to work WAY too hard.

The parry system takes out a lof anti-airs in general, and you build meter by just pressing normals. Not sure why that is a good idea, but in terms of overall "balance" SF4 is way more balanced overall than 3s.

I mean, you're talking about how these characters can compete, but in tournaments it's really only those 5.

Yun Genei Jin? LOL. I mean, I can't think of anything in SF4 that is that overpowered.

Also, Alpha 3 Gief even combowise is nothing like SF4 Gief. That game require a completely different set of normals used, anti airs, not to mention even the glove.

EDIT: Everything G Boobie said I agree with. The game just has a lot of problems, and you can basically tech throws ALL day almost, way more than SF4. High level play 3s = not so much for balance.

[ubersaurus]

Hey DreamTR, you going to CGE this year? I recall we have unfinished business from last time around in Hyper Fighting...

[Famidrive-16]

lol, weren't there like 6 chun-li's in the top 8 3s slots at EVO 2k8

[XYXZYZ]

A big red Turkish guy called Hakan.

I used to work with a rather large Turkish guy who would get mad and turn red. His name was Hakan. I remember him saying one day that Hakan is a rather common name in Turkey.

[G-Boobie]

lol, weren't there like 6 chun-li's in the top 8 3s slots at EVO 2k8

Yeah. That particular DVD was pretty boring: two dudes fishing for low forward into super for something like two hours. Ugh.

[kedawa]

Boomer: That's a definite negative. There are only 5 top level characters in 3s. Yun, Chun-Li, Ken, Urien, and Makoto. Everyone else has to work WAY too hard.

The parry system takes out a lof anti-airs in general, and you build meter by just pressing normals. Not sure why that is a good idea, but in terms of overall "balance" SF4 is way more balanced overall than 3s.

I mean, you're talking about how these characters can compete, but in tournaments it's really only those 5.

Yun Genei Jin? LOL. I mean, I can't think of anything in SF4 that is that overpowered.

Also, Alpha 3 Gief even combowise is nothing like SF4 Gief. That game require a completely different set of normals used, anti airs, not to mention even the glove.

EDIT: Everything G Boobie said I agree with. The game just has a lot of problems, and you can basically tech throws ALL day almost, way more than SF4. High level play 3s = not so much for balance.
I agree with everything except I would say there are six high-tier characters in 3S; the five you mentioned, plus Dudley. His target combos and cr. HK juggle shenanigans really put him above the other upper-mid tier characters.

[DreamTR]

ubersaurus, yes, I will be at CGE..

[ubersaurus]

So Capcom announced officially that Super SF4 is coming out to arcades. Kind of saw this one coming, but hell, at least it's official. The question is, will they actually let you do versus with one board? Because that's the only way any arcade outside of the west coast is gonna get the game.

[Therealqtip]

I'm a sucker for SF yet I AM the WORST SF player ever. I think I'm doing it wrong.

[c0ldb33r]

Any word if Poison is in this version?

[Mimi Nakamura]

So is Hakan a new character or is he from some other Capcom game? I've never heard of him before.

Leave it to the Japanese to make something as stupidly weird as a fighter who lubes himself up and rubs other fighters all over his body. Not really a fan.

I guess you don't know much about the history of wrestling then? It's not an original idea, he's based on a Turkish oil wrestler. I find characters who can produce fireballs from their bare hands to be weirder.

I can't wait to try out Hakan! I'm guessing a character from Turkey won't get much love in America though!