Controversial game statements you stand by

[qbertandernie]

REZ is not a good game.

[Swamperon]

People who 'slab & grade' their games are weird. People who see a increased value due to games being 'S&G' are even weirder and should not be allowed to own games.

[james42519]

People who 'slab & grade' their games are weird. People who see a increased value due to games being 'S&G' are even weirder and should not be allowed to own games.
what is this slab & grade?

[dendawg]

what is this slab & grade?

http://www.gamesniped.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sealed-final-fantasy-nes-vga-graded-85.jpg

[james42519]

http://www.gamesniped.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sealed-final-fantasy-nes-vga-graded-85.jpg

um ok. never heard or seen that before

[j_factor]

People who 'slab & grade' their games are weird. People who see a increased value due to games being 'S&G' are even weirder and should not be allowed to own games.

I don't think this is controversial. In fact, I think it's a big understatement.

[Enigmus]

I don't think this is controversial. In fact, I think it's a big understatement.

Personally, I see it as stupid. Why lock games away in stupid plastic containers when they should be played, and why should anyone give a damn over a game in a plastic case with a shiny label on top showing how stupid you are for blowing money on a sort-of-mint game and getting it a number that won't mean much beyond a close-knit group of strange game hoarders the next time the eBay market fluctuates?

[Atariguy]

http://www.gamesniped.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sealed-final-fantasy-nes-vga-graded-85.jpg

Ugh. It's bad enough that people do this with coins, but it's a crime to do it to something that's meant to be played.

[thom_m]

- Rock'n'Roll Racing is the best racing game ever made. Period.

- First Person Shooters suck. Hard.

- RPGs, albeit cool, are the most overrated game genre there is.


-Chicks come BEFORE games. If a woman wants you, you put down the controller immediately and tender to her. You can get to level 96 any day, but you only have one shot to make an eternal memory. I cannot tell you how many times I see that and it sickens me. She wants to make love to you and all you want to do is play Final Fantasy. Seriously, where is your manhood?

Hello, I'm thom_m. I'm a gamer geek and I approve this message.

[Seaquest]

The entire final fantasy series is over rated and dull. I have know idea why people like tetris so much. It really isn't that great of a game.(stacking blocks.....really)

[Seaquest]

Ugh. It's bad enough that people do this with coins, but it's a crime to do it to something that's meant to be played.
That's discusting! Just because it's a final fantasy game it gets encased in plastic like it was made out of gold!

[Zebbe]

The entire final fantasy series is over rated and dull. I have know idea why people like tetris so much. It really isn't that great of a game.(stacking blocks.....really)

"know idea" ? :-D

[SegaAges]

Hmm, this is the "say what you want without getting flamed" thread. I can dig it:

statements I stand by, well:
Sonic 06 was a really fun game and the camera angles were not bad.

Sonic is better than Mario

Tony Hawk Ride is an amazing game

Dreamcast is better than PS2

The Shenmue franchise will eventually happen

Metal Gear Solid games suck

JRPG's suck

Turn Based RPG's suck and take too long to play

[TheClash603]

I agree that Metal Gear Solid games suck.

I will go one step further and say that all stealth games suck.

[Swamperon]

I don't think this is controversial. In fact, I think it's a big understatement.

Well, yes you're right! But I've seen people go gaga over slabbed games and will defend them till blue in the face. Thankfully these people do not appear to frequent these forums.

[cowmando6]

Chrono Trigger>Skies of Arcadia>Tales of Symphonia (GC)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Final Fantasy 7.

I remember kids at my school when FF7 came out going "ZOMG! The Graphics!!111!?!?" when it was just the CGI movies they were referring to. The game's actual graphics IMO looked like shit.

[Kyle15]

Super Mario Galaxy is well-made, but very dull and repetitive.
Easily one of the most overrated games in the past ten years.

[JohnnyBlaze]

Off my Facebook:

Know what I cannot stand? The excessive use of blocking in fighting games. I mean, to the point of that being the WHOLE fight! It's a FIGHTING game, not a BE A PUSSY AND CHICKEN OUT game. I can understand blocking being a part of strategy, but if it's ALL YOU DO, then it proves that you have no skill. Even worse is when the AI does the SAME SHIT! Good God....


Also:

-Yoshi is the most ANNOYING character in existence. I really don't see the point of his existence.....WAIT! I'm sorry. There IS a reasoning: to jump off of him and let him die to get to a secret exit.....

-Anyone who complains about the value of their stuff dropping because of a re-release should seriously GET LIVES! We have to suffer and not have the opportunity to play such classic games as Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Ikaruga, Rez, and Super Mario RPG because you want to be greedy and scalp your games to us? FUCK YOU! To me, Xbox Live Arcade and the Virtual Console are godsends to me. It allows me to play the games that I cannot get because of high prices and let me play them! So, quit your bitching and start gaming like the rest of us!

[MyTurnToPlay]

Tecmo Super Bowl is still the best sports game ever released.

People who are into anime/japanese culture and own some obscure import and think that somehow makes them more hardcore/badass are a JOKE.

[sebastiankirchoff]

Super Mario Bros has not aged well at all. I actually think Super Mario Bros 2 was way better than the first, but only slightly better than the third game. Mario World though is way better than all of them combined.

I cannot play more than a couple of levels of Sonic. I seriously despise the Genesis games.

LaserDisc>DVD>Beta>VHS (not game related, but whatever)

The only online games I can tolerate are the SOCOM games and Team Fortress 2.

I love the Intellivision and it's games.
I love The Wizard.
I love Troll 2.

[Auto-Fox]

The Sega 32X is actually a highly UNDERrated console. With proper development, it could have been great.

The Nintendo Wii and DS are both gimmicky and highly overrated.

DLC and online-only CONSOLE games were, and are, a bad idea in general. What d'you think will happen when the official servers get taken down in a few years? Chew on that one for awhile.

The 3DO business model could have been successful if the hardware had been lower in cost.

Sega hit its creative peak in the late '90s, but now deserves to die or be bought out.

The Xbox and Xbox 360 are poorly conceived, poorly supported consoles that have ruined the reputation of gaming as a whole.

Animated/live-action/in-game cutscenes in games were and continue to be a bad idea.

The FPS genre has been tapped out in terms of fresh concepts, and if not stopped, it will drag the rest of the industry down with it.

The move to 3D should have taken place over a much longer period, and much more gradually.

Nintendo's Pokemon franchise needs to be retired. As does Sega's Sonic franchise.

[Smashed Brother]

Let's face it....the Nintendo 64 was a heavily overhyped box of disappointment that vastly under-delivered. People who say otherwise are chasing ghosts of glories past while wearing rose-colored glasses. The only fun to be had on this system were from a paltry few 1st party titles (and Beetle Adventure Racing).

Remember when Cruisin' USA and Killer Instinct were in the arcades, wowing us with the amazing power of the 'Ultra 64', tantalizing us with the future of home entertainment? Heh, what crap that turned out to be. Empty promises. KI went missing completely (except for the not bad KI Gold) and Crusin' was nowhere near the 'quality' of the arcade version. Not even close by a long shot. Empty promises...exactly what this system handed out in spades. A terribly designed controller, a piss-poor storage medium compared to what the competition offered, and games running blurry vaseline-coated graphics, all of which seemed to struggle breaking past the 20-fps barrier even with the expansion pack. Pretty laughable for an 'ultra 64-bit' system.

Some people seem to place this system above the NES & SNES....those people are either idiots, or they work for Nintendo. It's not quite the colossal failure that the Virtual Boy was, but -in my opinion- it definitely skirted along those same lines.

Fuck the N64.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Videogames aren't art.

Verbatim, the words I came to post, already were.

Also, Fan-art is a misnomer, and these people must suffer a similar delusion as those who claim games as art. The bar is impossibly low. I am referring to content here, not technical ability.

Exhibit A in The People vs Pompous Over-Important Jack-offs

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7977/streetfightertributesak.jpg

You can not redeem this!


what is this slab & grade?

Oh shit noes! Must... Resist... Urges... Ok, I'm calm. And I have slabbed numismatics and bullion. Games and comics though... WTF!? Moe, Larry! Cheese! (http://www.hark.com/clips/wrkbjbdmyf-moe-larry-cheese)

[TonyTheTiger]

1) Final Fantasy VII is the best game in the FF series
2) Final Fantasy VII also embodies everything currently WRONG with the FF series to this day.

I firmly believe both, as contradictory as they sound.

Not contradictory at all. I fully appreciate the sentiment.

Let's see...

EA has an ass load of money because, with the odd exception, it really does produce the best sports games.

Mega Man X4 > Mega Man X3

Too many games are too goddamn long.

NIS and Atlus excel at localizing mediocre shit and don't spend enough time localizing genuinely good games.

If popular opinion says that a big budget blockbuster game is great then it's probably true.

If popular opinion says that a low budget indie game is crap then it's probably true.

Most professional review scores are within the ballpark of accuracy.

Grinding is not a design choice. It's just bad design.

Sega royally fucked up with the Dreamcast controller.

Bullet hell shooters get old really fast and the memory-based difficulty is there to hide the lack of new ideas in the genre.

Microsoft made amends over the RROD as best as it could have been expected to.

The Wii didn't sell so well because of motion controls. It sold well because it was inexpensive.

There is nothing inherently wrong with motion controls.

Bobby Kotick isn't an asshole. He just has balls.

Square Enix needs to send Tetsuya Nomura on an extended sabbatical if not outright fire him. Now.

Cammy > Chun-Li

Metroid Prime is a First Person Shooter. "First Person Adventure" my ass.

When a game mimics a modern game it's called a ripoff. When a game mimics a classic game it's called retro cool. This is stupid.

People who use "casual" as a pejorative are pompous jackasses.

People who use "hardcore" as a compliment are pompous jackasses.

Both Ted Woolsey and Victor Ireland improved the scripts of the games they localized.

[j_factor]

Too many games are too goddamn long.

I emphatically agree. It really pisses me off when people praise games just for being exorbitantly long, or criticize games for being "short". The latter is an appropriate criticism if the game's only a half-hour long or something, but a 12-hour game is not "too short".

[Icarus Moonsight]

NIS and Atlus excel at localizing mediocre shit and don't spend enough time localizing genuinely good games.

Atlus has lost some of their bite of late, and picking up Narutard BS didn't help their outlook much either among their more loyal supporters I hear. I can understand why they did, they need something that will actually sell through to more than the diehard faithful at full retail. Why it had to be anime, let alone a terrible one, IDK.

NIS has barely earned their place for any of their fanbase to be genuinely let down yet. On the bright side (or dark, whatever), they seem to be releasing some sort of anime-pseudo-pedo-S&M-possibly-rpg-part-date-sim-dohicky stateside (currently part of my avi/custom-user combo). If this doesn't ensconce them among the neck bearded freaks for eternity, nothing will. No matter how many ergonomic titty mousepads they put out.

[TonyTheTiger]

It seems like somewhere along they became less discerning and they just started grabbing any new RPG that happens to have a strong anime flavor. I'm curious how long that business model will last before they lose most of the fanbase they built up in the PSX era. On the other hand, they do publish more games and print lots more copies these days so maybe it's actually pretty self sustaining.

[Koa Zo]

"Controversial game statements you stand by"...
that Project Draco is really a new Panzer Dragoon game, but can not be called as much because it is not developed by Sega.

[Auto-Fox]

The PlayStation line is nothing but an enormous ego trip by Sony executives, and has never actually been a decent console compared to the competition. It is a status symbol, NOTHING more.

[TonyTheTiger]

The Sonic SatAM/Archie continuity is superior to that within the games themselves.

[Auto-Fox]

Japanese companies do not make the best games.

[Enigmus]

The main Sonic storyline is deeper and more interesting than SatAM ever was. SatAM was a false sense of deep, similar to other saturday morning cartoons at the time, while the games (both old and new) have a plot line that actually has some depth to it.

In short, SatAM's overrated crap.

[ReaXan]

The NES will always be the best system of all time, The 2600 was too primitive to be more than a early buddy/party system. The NES introduced gaming engrosement, the PSOne then perfected it.

The Genesis Model 1 is the best looking system of all time.PS2 Model 1 is the ugliest.

The White Japanese Sega Saturn should have been how all Saturn's looked. The US Saturns were ugly and dull compared to their Japanese cousins.

The Sega Saturn should have also been a cartridge based stand alone system introduced in July 94. The CD format didn't show its advantages in gaming until FF7 so Sega should have taken the 32x technology and rode it out till 98.

The Game Boy was overrated and underpowered and stayed at the party too long. The Game Boy Micro was a great idea and looked cool, but didn't show up to the party early enough to matter.

The Sega Nomad is the best portable of all time, if battery life could have been addressed it could have been a relevant system. The Game Boy Advance was just a portable SNES with repackaged games. The Game Boy Advance was a ripoff, the Nomad wasn't.

[Emperor Megas]

Ideally both 2D and 3D control schemes should be available, however 'tank controls' are the best way to play traditional survival horror games.


Naysayers can't dismiss the scariness of the Silent Hill series if you haven't played them under the optimal conditions (with the lights off, in stereo...preferably surround sound).


The main reason Mario64 was as popular as it was is because it was the debut of Nintendo's most popular mascot in full 3D, at a time when 3D gaming was new and all the rage. It was a mediocre game otherwise, and the reason so many people gush over is it today is because of nostalgia.


Most people who collect video games are either socially inept braggarts excited to have found some outlet to shine, hoarders, or legitimate hobbyists who've gotten more wrapped up in the acquisition of games than the gaming experience itself.


Most game rooms with massive collections look like a cluttered shit storm.


Guardian Heroes is extremely overrated. It's really not even a very good game, honestly.


The 32-bit generation had more terrible games per capita than any other. 75% of the games released on the PSX were nothing more than 3D tech demos with gameplay added as a distant afterthought, and gamers took to playing technology rather than games.


SNK fighting games really aren't that good. Their popularity is mainly just a cult/elitist thing.


Preordering games is really pointless and borderline stupid unless there's some sort of worthwhile swag you get for doing it.


If you're a heavy consumer of games, it's pretty dumb to purchase a lot of new releases (with the exception of those played predominately online) when you can just wait a few months and get them significantly cheaper.


Driving sims like Gran Turismo lack any semblance of style, are extremely boring, and terribly overrated.

[TonyTheTiger]

Sex and games really don't mix. It either comes off as blatant "Hey, look! We're edgy!" or as cheesy interruptions of the game itself.

[G-Boobie]

The main Sonic storyline is deeper and more interesting than SatAM ever was. SatAM was a false sense of deep, similar to other saturday morning cartoons at the time, while the games (both old and new) have a plot line that actually has some depth to it.

In short, SatAM's overrated crap.

I feel like I understand you now. Sweet Jesus.

Statements:

1) Final Fantasy has been poor since VII. The exception to this is XII.
2) Captain N was trash. It's still trash now, actually.
3) King of Fighters XII was actually pretty good.

... This is harder than it looks.

[j_factor]

The 32-bit generation was amazing and has a bad rap for no good reason. I'll take PSX or Saturn over Xbox 360 any day.

[ReaXan]

Let's face it....the Nintendo 64 was a heavily overhyped box of disappointment that vastly under-delivered. People who say otherwise are chasing ghosts of glories past while wearing rose-colored glasses. The only fun to be had on this system were from a paltry few 1st party titles (and Beetle Adventure Racing).

Remember when Cruisin' USA and Killer Instinct were in the arcades, wowing us with the amazing power of the 'Ultra 64', tantalizing us with the future of home entertainment? Heh, what crap that turned out to be. Empty promises. KI went missing completely (except for the not bad KI Gold) and Crusin' was nowhere near the 'quality' of the arcade version. Not even close by a long shot. Empty promises...exactly what this system handed out in spades. A terribly designed controller, a piss-poor storage medium compared to what the competition offered, and games running blurry vaseline-coated graphics, all of which seemed to struggle breaking past the 20-fps barrier even with the expansion pack. Pretty laughable for an 'ultra 64-bit' system.

Some people seem to place this system above the NES & SNES....those people are either idiots, or they work for Nintendo. It's not quite the colossal failure that the Virtual Boy was, but -in my opinion- it definitely skirted along those same lines.

Fuck the N64.

Joe should put this in a frame at the store, its echos exactly how people "who are honest" feel about the N64

[Koa Zo]

Advance Guardian Heroes is the best sequel ever made.
And the best GBA game.

[Baloo]

The main Sonic storyline is deeper and more interesting than SatAM ever was. SatAM was a false sense of deep, similar to other saturday morning cartoons at the time, while the games (both old and new) have a plot line that actually has some depth to it.

In short, SatAM's overrated crap.

I always though Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was the superior Sonic cartoon, it just captured the spirit and quirkiness of the games so much better.

[Gameguy]

I always though Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was the superior Sonic cartoon, it just captured the spirit and quirkiness of the games so much better.
I have a tough time deciding between the two, I have both complete series on DVD so I really don't have to choose. They're both good IMO, I have no problem watching both together for marathon sessions. Sonic Underground was terrible and Sonic X was tolerable, I haven't bothered to get either of those shows on DVD.

I don't really get what background Enigmus is talking about, the older games didn't have much of a background to them. The games were purposely made that way so they could be localized differently depending on where they were released. The shows came out around the time of Sonic 2, I don't recall the games having a detailed background by then.

[allyourblood]

Everything regarding Sonic the Hedgehog began to fall apart at precisely the moment Dr. Robotnik became known as "Eggman" in the US, including his horrendous visual makeover. I've never understood the appeal of the lore in the series from this point on.

[drtomoe123]

The Pokemon series is better than 90% of other games coming out nowadays.

[Kiddo]

It's not really worth the effort to mod valuable, collectible consoles to have Component/RGB mods just for the sake of having slightly better video on a monitor the games were never designed to be played on in the first place.
And no, being able to see every pixel perfectly clearly is -not- inherently better. The whole point of the blurry picture is to make the graphics feel more warm and rounded.

Also, the NeoGeo and PC-Engine CD collecting stuff is over-blown. The very entry barrier to even obtain the systems is too much for me to really bother, and I felt more rewarded by digging into PC-FX games that no one knows how to play, and Satellaview games no one has ever even heard of.

I watched Computer Soldier Porygon 30 times in a row and did not get seizures, or even any kind of eyesore that I don't normally get from "Too much TV".

[tomaitheous]

The whole point of the blurry picture is to make the graphics feel more warm and rounded.

I know, right? 'Cause it has nothing to do with the output signal not being able to carry over the correct resolution (both luma and chroma).

[Gameguy]

I know, right? 'Cause it has nothing to do with the output signal not being able to carry over the correct resolution (both luma and chroma).
I'll just borrow a picture from an article on Sega-16. Here's the original article.
http://www.sega-16.com/feature_page.php?id=193&title=Seeing%20is%20Believing:%20Video%20Connectio ns

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/267/virtuaa.jpg

Take a look at the shadow behind the wheels and under the car, which one looks proper? The one on the right is supposed to have a better connection, though it really looks worse to me.

[The Clonus Horror]

ugh. It's bad enough that people do this with coins, but it's a crime to do it to something that's meant to be played.

thank you!

[Emperor Megas]

I don't really see the issues with doing this with coins, honestly. And while I'm not a fan of doing it to games, I'd like to think that they're preserving them for posterity. Who knows how many of these things will be around and in mint condition when their great grandchildren want to explore the history of gaming.

[tomaitheous]

I'll just borrow a picture from an article on Sega-16. Here's the original article.
http://www.sega-16.com/feature_page.php?id=193&title=Seeing%20is%20Believing:%20Video%20Connectio ns

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/267/virtuaa.jpg

Take a look at the shadow behind the wheels and under the car, which one looks proper? The one on the right is supposed to have a better connection, though it really looks worse to me.

Trust me, you don't want to open up this can of worms. There's already a can of worms opened up just for you over at Sega16 though (you visit the site but not the forums, I take it?).

[allyourblood]

I'll just borrow a picture from an article on Sega-16. Here's the original article.
http://www.sega-16.com/feature_page.php?id=193&title=Seeing%20is%20Believing:%20Video%20Connectio ns

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/267/virtuaa.jpg

Take a look at the shadow behind the wheels and under the car, which one looks proper? The one on the right is supposed to have a better connection, though it really looks worse to me.

Bridge looks better in the second photo, though.

[allyourblood]

Ooh, I got another one:


The "Angry Video Game Nerd" is annoying, unfunny, and whatever popularity he enjoys is a detriment to the retro video game community. People form ardent opinions on games or game-related topics of which they have no first-hand knowledge based simply on his blather.

:D

[Gameguy]

Trust me, you don't want to open up this can of worms. There's already a can of worms opened up just for you over at Sega16 though (you visit the site but not the forums, I take it?).
I'm not registered with the forum there, I'm just on DP and CGCC.ca. I won't go any further into it here, at least not in this thread. My main point was that some of the "blurriness" that Kiddo mentioned was intentional.


Bridge looks better in the second photo, though.
It is clearer overall, even around the guage on the left. To me though, any slight improvements with the overall picture are outweighed by the complete ruining of the dithering effects. That effect wasn't just used in that game, it was used in many including the first Sonic the Hedgehog with the transparent waterfall in the first zone.

[allyourblood]

I'm not registered with the forum there, I'm just on DP and CGCC.ca. I won't go any further into it here, at least not in this thread. My main point was that some of the "blurriness" that Kiddo mentioned was intentional.


It is clearer overall, even around the guage on the left. To me though, any slight improvements with the overall picture are outweighed by the complete ruining of the dithering effects. That effect wasn't just used in that game, it was used in many including the first Sonic the Hedgehog with the transparent waterfall in the first zone.

This is one I have firsthand experience with, Sonic the Hedgehog being one of the first games I played after cobbling together an RGB cable for my Genesis. I noticed some of these "side effects", but for me, the absolutely gorgeous clarity and color separation blew them out of the water. I confess I number among those who are adamant about picture and audio quality, at least when it's affordable and feasible to pursue.

[sebastiankirchoff]

Ooh, I got another one:


The "Angry Video Game Nerd" is annoying, unfunny, and whatever popularity he enjoys is a detriment to the retro video game community. People form ardent opinions on games or game-related topics of which they have no first-hand knowledge based simply on his blather.

:D

I agree with you for the most part. I do think he is funny (and some of his stuff is informative), but what he does is detrimental to retro gaming. Now everyone that I know that's my age (17) thinks they know everything about retro-gaming because they watch his videos, when most of them have never seen an NES, 2600 or even a Genesis. They also make baseless judgements on video games they have never played (I once knew someone who said that Super Mario Bros 2 was a shitty game, and when I asked how far they got into the game, they admitted to never playing it and saying they saw an AVGN video).

[Rob2600]

(I once knew someone who said that Super Mario Bros 2 was a shitty game, and when I asked how far they got into the game, they admitted to never playing it and saying they saw an AVGN video).

Did the AVGN ever say Super Mario Bros. 2 is a bad game? If so, I don't remember that video.

[sebastiankirchoff]

Did the AVGN ever say Super Mario Bros. 2 is a bad game? If so, I don't remember that video.

I believe he did, or said something along the lines of "It was nothing like SMB 1 so it's not good". Either that or the guy I talked to misinterpreted the video and thought that he said it was a bad game and decided to make that his opinion also.

[Sabz5150]

Enough about Shenmue. Go die in a fire and take that game with you.

Kolibri kicks ASS.

The entirety of EA needs to be six inches from a nuclear detonation.

Castlevania II was a good game.

Military shooters. See: Shenmue.

Madden. See: Military shooters.

[sheath]

Yu Suzuki on why he hasn't been making games since 2002 (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3182650):

"With a new concept, there's no statistics for market research to depend on for a forecast. If you judge a concept on market research alone, most of the concepts don't pass."

Also (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=2&cId=3182650), in regard to Sega innovating the 3D music genre and the "open world" style game with Namie Amuro's Digital Dance Mix for Sega Saturn and Shenmue for Dreamcast:
"I think Sega could do a better job at taking successful titles and continue to make games based on the innovations."

Finally one from me.

Sega designed the Saturn's architecture and Sony designed the PS2's in response to developer requests for low level optimization.

[thom_m]

Megaman 4 is the best game of the series.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Did the AVGN ever say Super Mario Bros. 2 is a bad game? If so, I don't remember that video.

Even if he did, I can't say that I could blame him given a specific context which is justifiable. It IS a bad MARIO game. Mostly because it was never intended to be. Branding and shoehorning does not a good game make. What we got came with an opportunity cost, not getting the real Mario 2. It was a bad trade-off, and that is hard to ignore. That's the charge I'd level at Mario 2 apologizers. They just can't criticize a Mario game, even when it really isn't one, for silly personal sentimental reasons. Still, it may not be as timeworn as 64 in hindsight. I mean, there are people with Progeria that have aged more gracefully.

Just to balance this post: Sonic is dead and the strangers that go by Sega these days keep raping his corpse.

[AB Positive]

Enough about Shenmue. Go die in a fire and take that game with you.

Kolibri kicks ASS.

The entirety of EA needs to be six inches from a nuclear detonation.

Castlevania II was a good game.

Military shooters. See: Shenmue.

Madden. See: Military shooters.

This post is AB+ approved. Fuck Shenmue. I love the dreamcast, but I'd rather enjoy Skies or Soul Calibur.

or Sonic Shuffle. Srsly.




Here's one that's only controversial because of the region (or I don't know, maybe it would be in Japan too...)

Best board game/party game? Momotarou Dentetsu. Specifically anything from 16-bit era on up - nothing like a board game where last place is repeatedly given surprise buttsex from a giant demon in a diaper.

not literally. The buttsex I mean. The demon IS in a diaper.

[jb143]

Heh...I get to use this image again.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/jeremy_burk/pEanuTs.jpg

[BydoEmpire]

Heh...I get to use this image again.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/jeremy_burk/pEanuTs.jpgThat is awesome.

[Enigmus]

Did the AVGN ever say Super Mario Bros. 2 is a bad game? If so, I don't remember that video.

I think his friend was watching a certain irate AVGN ripoff. AFAIK, James never said "SMB2 is shit" in any video.

[TonyTheTiger]

What we got came with an opportunity cost, not getting the real Mario 2. It was a bad trade-off, and that is hard to ignore.

Hm. That made me think of another controversial statement I stand by.

On the assumption that we were in a situation where they had to pick one or the other as opposed to just giving us both, they picked the better game. They made the right choice.

[NerdXCrewWill]

I think the Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2 wipes the floor with SMB1 and American SMB2. The level design in SMB2 is just amazing. It was put together with a lot of thought and care. I like it more than other challenging platformers because it doesn't just throw tough enemies at you, like the Ghosts n' Stuff series, and it isn't totally frustrating, like modern day Mario hacks. American SMB2 is fun but not nearly as great.

[Urzu402]

Twilight Princess is better than Ocarina of Time.

That's the only one I can think of.

[Icarus Moonsight]

When sprite hacks were done by major producers, it was merely a shortcut around your brain to your wallet. :D (I could mean Yo Noid, Whomp 'Em or a certain other NES game... IDK)

It's like PONG!

[Auto-Fox]

The Fairchild Channel F is a superior piece of hardware to the Atari 2600.

[Ackman]

All Zelda games are crap, every last one of them.
FF hasn't been struggling since FF8/7 it's been pretty awful from 1-13.
Super Mario World for the snes is awful.
Okami is garbage and so is shadow of the colossus.
Metal Gear is crap and has been getting worse with every iteration because the Director is childish simple minded douchebag.
IF your playing mainly JRPGS there is a good chance your fat, a loser, you have hygiene problems and you'll never get married.
Street Fighter 4, isn't even half the game Street Fighter Alpha 3 is, if you like it your probably retarded.
Soul Calibur 2-4 sucks because they can't make new interesting characters.
If you take fighting games too seriously, checking frames etc, you need to get a life you unbearable nerd.
Diehard Nintendo fans are the worst kinds of retards available on the internet, fat boring losers who's peaked at 10 playing Mario bros while their mom brought them buckets of ice cream. It'll never be that good for you again you stupid bastard.
gamefaqs is chock full to the brim with loser pedophiles thanks to JRPGS.
Anyone who thinks that any Halo is the best FPS needs to be kicked in the face repeatedly.
If your playing Kingdom Hearts and liking it, there is a very good chance your a pedofile.

[Darko]

The Halo Series is one of the most lackluster and boring successful franchises in the history of video gaming.

The Super Nintendo Entertainment System is the greatest gaming platform in existence today.

Final Fantasy 3(6) is far superior to 7 in every way (including graphically).

[Enigmus]

The Fairchild Channel F is a superior piece of hardware to the Atari 2600.

Personally, the Channel F may have potential for things that are head-over heels better than the 2600, but considering it uses an eight color palette and is virtually unknown, it won't be pretty or well recognized. The 2600 beat it solely because it had three things- plenty of room for programming techniques, an expandable hardware setup, and it came from a company with prior experience, this time being the arcade business. Most major companies came from this (Nintendo, Sega, etc.), but seeing as companies like Coleco, Mattel and Fairchild had little to no beforehand experience, they made mistakes that cost them their chance at success.

[TonyTheTiger]

Mortal Kombat, on Sega Genesis, is the best video game ever.

[8bitmusic]

Pokemon games are for effeminate children.

[tubeway]

You want controversial? This is the best, most acidic stuff I can come up with. I haven't posted here in at least half a year, but this thread got me to come back.

- Members of game collecting forums act like friends in discussion threads, but when it comes to cash sales for desirable stuff, they'll pretty much lowball and try to screw over anyone they perceive in need of quick money. There are no friends in business.

- Classic game discussions here are seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel. I stopped coming for a long time after there was a serious thread where OCD folks were discussing the serious documenting of inner cardboard tray variants for the N64. And cripes, look at the threads now: people are getting all worked up over threads asking about "simultaneous releases for N64 and SNES" "what is the number of video games? O_o" and someone complaining about some pothead owning a zelda test cart.

- Anyone with two or more big titted anime girl statues and wall scrolls in their home probably doesn't have a girlfriend.

- Guys that demand their significant others be a gamer really have no clue about what's most important in a relationship, and the chicks they end up with leave them picking from a demographic just as socially retarded as the one that they're from.

- Lots of people acquire or want to own rare items, such as prototypes, just for bragging rights, or the perception that they're valuable, and not because they have a genuine interest in their content.

- About 75 percent of the YouTube gamer community posting Finds and Unboxing videos are mouth breathing aspergers neckbeards with no idea of how to verbally communicate, or snaggled toothed rednecks that are borderline illiterate.

- At least 50 percent of people that buy Dead or Alive titles on launch day will masturbate to the game later that night.

- Anime is annoying as shit most of the time, and its most hardcore fans use it as an escapism tool to cope with and escape from a reality where they are regarded as socially retarded and unsavory.

- The kind of people collectors complain about, that more or less abuse their games and systems, and treat them in a very utilitarian fashion rather than as a collectible, are probably leading richer lives than the people that meticulously bag, store and itemize collections of barely played games in their basement for a decade.

- The video game industry underpays its staff compared to other software development industries, such as enterprise application development, knowing full well that fanboys desperate to be involved with their obsession will accept the shitty wages.

- Most companies that make the claim, "We wanted to do something special for the fans" are full of shit if what they did "for the fans" brought in additional revenue that made it worth the effort.

- Every idiot wants to record or write video game reviews, but very few even consider whether there is a need to do so, or whether they can bring anything new to the table before they begin.

- Don't post about the awesome video game you're "making" unless you can either program or are 50% or more along in the development process, because it's never going to materialize. You're probably just looking to express you excitement after making the decision an hour previous, want attention, or are 12 years old.

- Seeing video game forum members on YouTube has crushed my images of them. Even guys like Happy Console Gamer and Gamester81 are pretty nerdy, all things considered.

- PeteDorr is popular with 12 year olds because he buys lots and lots of recent, popular games, flashes them onscreen, and gives them easy-to-digest soundbites that their short attention spans can handle.

- Leaving video games sealed is fine. It's no different than collecting a figurine, a baseball card, or some other item desirable for its collectibility or presentability. A game may be "ZOMG ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED!!!!11one" but unless it's an incredibly rare title that nobody can play, it doesn't mean shit. It's not taking anything away from anyone else. Most folks have an opened copy as well.

- Once you gain a strong understanding of game development, action, adventure and survival horror titles lose a lot of their charm and mystique. You can anticipate the designers and where they placed AI pathing splines or collision detection and other components that make the environments more obviously just a string of event scripts and bots running around.

- I'm not fully convinced that cleaning SNES or Genesis games is really necessary unless the game is visibly dirty. Beyond the NES, we don't exactly have people spraying their saliva and lung moisture condensation onto the contacts in an effort to increase their conductivity.

- It's tiring seeing people constantly trying to shoehorn stats and information about their collections into completely irrelevant discussions. Nobody cares about what you have unless they think they can buy it off you cheap and they're getting a steal in the process. Then they'll brag about it on the forums in a completely unrelated discussion.

- Unboxing videos for games and systems are second only to reaction videos in terms of doing the absolute minimum work possible to make a youtube video.

- Owning a ton of crap doesn't make you superior or better than the next gamer. A list of consoles you own is not a list of gamer qualifications. Nobody cares. If you are so insecure about your hobby that you have to parade around what makes you superiority to someone that just started, then you really need to examine your life and find something else to take pride in, like real world accomplishments.

- Gamers that don't listen to any music aside from game and anime soundtracks and novelty bands like Weird Al piss me off. Not everything in the rest of your life has to relate to your enjoyment of video games.

- I don't want to be one of those gray haired old guys with big ole prescription glasses and a beard doing youtube videos and getting comments from teenagers 20 years from now. I'm transitioning to other hobbies.

- Buying games upon release, unless it's from a series that you absolutely must play right now, or has some kind of incentive to preorder like a bonus item... is like throwing your money away.

- Most larger game company release schedules and lists are not the product of creative, talented individuals. They're the product of marketing teams determining what will sell the best given the market climate, available IPs and competing products, and are often aided by focus groups filled with idiot teenagers telling them what they like.

- Companies don't give a shit what you think when they ask questions on social networking site accounts or websites. It's usually just posted and forgotten by some contracted marketing guy managing websites for a dozen different companies, and its goal is to just get the people reading it to comment and get worked up into a frothy frenzy and create buzz about the game, not receive your unwanted and likely ill-formed input. They just want you babbling amongst yourselves, getting amped up to buy another 100 units of the game.

- Every hour you spend playing games is an hour you could have spent doing something creative or productive. Game in moderation and try to make sure that the rest of the foundation for a quality life is in place. Gaming is just the sprinkles on top.