My Alice An Interactive Museum auction starts now!

[Kitsune Sniper]

I told him it was a lot more expensive but still gave him the option of EMS. I said "Choose whichever you like."

If he goes with GXG... D:

[megasdkirby]

If he goes with GXG... D:

Has to be a rich guy if he chooses that option...

[Kitsune Sniper]

Agh, I hope he doesn't go with GXG... I'm reading the requirements:

A sales invoice (hope the eBay invoice is enough)
MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, WHY THE HELL DO THEY NEED THIS (Yes I do have one.)

And the shipping rules don't specify whether computer games fall under "Compact Disc" or "Toys"...

[megasdkirby]

You could just say no to GXG. Say something that your local Post Office does not offer the service of something like that.

[Dark_Sol]

I guess he just selected what he thought is safest. lol. He has no idea about the rest i guess.

[Collector_Gaming]

congrats on the sale kitsune hopefully this will go by easy *crosses fingers for ya*

i say take the money though and treat yourself to a nice meal cause you earned it :D

[Kitsune Sniper]

He paid the EMS fee. Phew.

Also, that guy who bid $500 and retracted it sent me a message...


Heh, your good for a laugh.....

I still suggest that everyone here block him from bidding on your auctions. What a douche.

[mobiusclimber]

Just saw your auction ended. Congrats on the great price on this! :)

[Kitsune Sniper]

... Okay, I'm getting freaked out here.

I shipped this item almost two weeks ago. I just entered the tracking number on the USPS' website and it says it left the country on the 29th - and that's it! It doesn't say it has been delivered yet! It doesn't even say if it's arrived at Italy!

What the hell's going on? D:

[megasdkirby]

For the time being, don't worry.

As long as the buyer hasn't complained, it has yet to arrive. It's on it's way...I hope.

Is there a way to track at a Italy Post Office, like Italy Post?

Just found this...maybe it might help?

http://www.track-trace.com/post

[Kitsune Sniper]

Actually, the USPS is completely fucked up.

If I enter the EMS tracking code, it says it left the country on the 29th.

If I enter the customs form code, it says it was deilvered on the 5th.

Why. The fuck. Does the EMS tracking code not say this?

[megasdkirby]

You got me there. That's the government for you!

But at least you know it was delivered! Has the buyer left feedback yet?

[Dark_Sol]

let me know the ems code. i'll somewhere else :)

[Kitsune Sniper]

So guess what

the buyer just asked where his item is

I am so fucked right now. So. So. SO very fucked.

[Dark_Sol]

Like i said let me know EMS code i will check

[megasdkirby]

So guess what

the buyer just asked where his item is

I am so fucked right now. So. So. SO very fucked.

Put the numbers, like Dark_Sol stated.

This guy probzbly thinks the tracking does not work. However, you originally stated that one of the codes did indeed state it was delivered, correct? What does it say, exactly?

He might be trying to extort you.

[wingzrow]

Situations like this are why I never ship anything $50.00 or over internationally. It's just asking for bad news.

I wish you luck kitsunesniper, I really do. Would be a shame if this didn't go through.

[megasdkirby]

Situations like this are why I never ship anything $50.00 or over internationally. It's just asking for bad news.


Not only that, but it was to Italy, which I heard is a haven for fraud.

I hope this turns out well in the end. I would tell the buyer that the item was indeed delivered and give the exact shipping status. And also say that an investigation with the federal fraud agency will be executed to identify where the package is.

You know, to scare the shit out of the buyer in case he/she was attempting a scam.

[Dark_Sol]

Italy was indeed BAD. Like Nigeria. lol

[megasdkirby]

Italy was indeed BAD. Like Nigeria. lol

Holy fuck! LOL

Kitsune, did you insure the package for the complete value? If anything bad happens, you can file an insurance claim. At least that way you won't technically loose the money.

[Dark_Sol]

I'd say no BAD moves now. Cald down. No insurance claim and harsh language. Better figure out the status of tracking. If italian dude wants to fuck you then it's nearly impossible. EMS ain't shit. Nearly ZERO probability it will be lost. It can take up to 1 month though but it SHOULD BE somewhere.

[megasdkirby]

I'd say no BAD moves now. Cald down. No insurance claim and harsh language. Better figure out the status of tracking. If italian dude wants to fuck you then it's nearly impossible. EMS ain't shit. Nearly ZERO probability it will be lost. It can take up to 1 month though but it SHOULD BE somewhere.

Ah yeah, forgot about the 30 day wait. LOL

I would definitely see what's up, but I would keep the buyer informed as well. At least that way the buyer knows that the seller is checking with customs and shit, so he may lay off if he is trying to extort.

Just hoping it does get there eventually.

[Kitsune Sniper]

EMS Tracking code: EG699651615US
The item left the country on March 29 and that's the last we know.

Customs Form label code: CP911055733US
THAT says the item was delivered in Italy on April 5, 2011.

Right now I'm thinking that someone at the guy's post office simply never delivered the thing and it's sitting at his post office for some goddamned reason.

I went to my local post office and the poor clerk was confused as hell! She spent ten minutes looking around and found nothing online. And as usual... the postmaster isn't in. They told me to wait until Monday, since he's going to have to "make some calls" and that dick doesn't work tomorrow. BUT, they also told me that I can call him around 4 PM to see what's up.

So I'm calling at 4 PM TO SEE WHAT'S UP.

I'm also sending a message to the buyer and request that he go pound some doors at his local post office to get some answers.

Edit:
And yes, it IS completely insured.

[Dark_Sol]

First of all I don't really understand why express mail parcel has a PRIORITY label on it?
When has the dude asked you about the item?

[Kitsune Sniper]

First of all I don't really understand why express mail parcel has a PRIORITY label on it?
When has the dude asked you about the item?What the heck are you talking about? Priority Label? That's an Express Mail code from an Express Mail label.

He asked me about the item this morning - he sent a "Where's my item?" question via eBay.

[Dark_Sol]

Here : CP911055733US
CP is priority label shipped from Post Office. EMS has nothing but E.
I am getting confused here. OR maybe i am wrong and in states EMS packages are being sent with CP labels. Which is pretty weird.
Basically you need nothing more then a EMS number to track it anywhere, it shows all the way.

But here we have two codes which show different stuff.
EMS shows it's been exported. and CP shows it's been sent FROM ITALY to ITALY and delivered. Which is double strange.
http://www.packagetrackr.com/track/usps/CP911055733US

[Kitsune Sniper]

... so he replied.

"I cannot go in my post office because i am outside Italy for job reasons."

... yeah that totally doesn't scream "I'm trying to fuck you over", no sir.

[Ryaan1234]

I would suggest not sending it to Italy. Do not even agree to send it to this guy's sister. I've only heard bad things about Italy's postal service, and I personally know several eBay sellers who have had packages sent to Italy mysteriously disappear in transit.

cough*Itoldyouso*cough

Well, I do in fact feel for you Kitsune. Hopefully the game will show up to it's destination shortly. Though if I were you I'd start looking into the insurance options...

[megasdkirby]

... so he replied.

"I cannot go in my post office because i am outside Italy for job reasons."

... yeah that totally doesn't scream "I'm trying to fuck you over", no sir.

Have you told the buyer that the item was indeed delivered?

You should be safe with eBay. I hope.

[Kitsune Sniper]

It wasn't delivered according to Express Mail. Only the customs form shows up as being delivered, and PayPal doesn't care about customs forms.

He really wants the item, and I've asked him to be patient while we figure out what's going on with it. If the item really wasn't delivered then I can file a claim and get my money back so he can get a refund.

[megasdkirby]

Seriously, he is asking where his item is while he is supposedly "away" from his home for a work related issue?

WTF?

[Kitsune Sniper]

Seriously, he is asking where his item is while he is supposedly "away" from his home for a work related issue?

WTF?

I know, right?

[Dark_Sol]

Seriously, he is asking where his item is while he is supposedly "away" from his home for a work related issue?

WTF?
That's indeed dumb. lol.

[Dark_Sol]

oh and BTW paypal cares about customs form as it's CP. It's trackable and shows it's delivered.

My idea is that maybe in italy they either lost EMS number or just scanned CP instead of E and it went on like this. The item is INDEED delivered.

[Kitsune Sniper]

oh and BTW paypal cares about customs form as it's CP. It's trackable and shows it's delivered.

My idea is that maybe in italy they either lost EMS number or just scanned CP instead of E and it went on like this. The item is INDEED delivered.Yeah well, got a link that proves this?

Because this thing (https://www.paypal.com/hk/cgi-bin/?cmd=xpt/Marketing/securitycenter/sell/ShippingRecommendations-outside#differenceqa) says, nope. Customs shows it was delivered. But guess what? It doesn't have a CITY, STATE OR ZIP CODE.

I'm guessing the USPS will see this as "delivered" and claim there was no lost package.

I am royally fucked, aren't I?

[Dark_Sol]

Like i wrote here somewhere at the beginning of the thread i once had similar case with paypal. The item took forever and the tracking never updated. Then after 2 months it appeared out of nowhere and i got it. And i was curious what paypal will do cause the local tracking after 3 months finally showed it's delivered (somewhere in russia cause it was just s small packet). And after some hesitation on their side they closed the case and didn't give me any refund of cause. That was all correct. It was fun to watch though as i was curious if they actually watch anything at all. It took forever but they work there.
Still some luck involved i guess if they have patience or not.

As far i know worldwide packages MAY not show zipcodes and states and all that shit in tracking.. They show country, inbound customs.. and that's all..
It shows status (delivered, undelivered, in customs. etc). It's all that means for you. Calm down, you ain't royally fucked. Yet.

1) tell the guy that the package IS delivered. Maybe some of his relatives got it while he's away.

[Kitsune Sniper]

As I expected, the Calexico postmaster refused to help. He says "The customs form says it's been delivered" and wouldn't listen to me. He told me to call an 800 number.

Have I ever mentioned how much I want to sock that overbearing, bureaucratic, asswipe of a human being in the fucking nose? With a shotgun blast?

Edit: I called the phone number using my mom's cell phone (I only have a Mexican land line) and I got a clerk who helped me out. She asked for all the information and said she'd open an investigation on the matter. So I have to wait seventeen days now.

In the meantime, I sent a message to the guy asking him to be completely sure that the item wasn't picked up by someone else while he was away.

[wingzrow]

No offense but you should have seen this coming. I've blacklist exactly three places in my eBay experiences that are black holes for mail. Brazil, Italy, and trinidad & tobago. After losing 2 packages to each of these countries in a row I decided to never ship there again. especially italy from what I've seen with other sellers.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record.

What the hell is going on in that country anyway?

[Kitsune Sniper]

I didn't see this coming because I was using Express Mail. So much for their delivery guarantee.

[Ryaan1234]

Honestly, I've come not to trust people alot, mainly when it comes with money. I would not risk it in your case, specially since you did state the terms in your listing.

Better be safe than sorry.


I wouldn't bother because Italy can be a gamble when it comes mailing things there.



Given what the money means for you, you really can't afford to gamble, imo. Express Mail and insurance should protect you for Italy (and like destinations), but it would mean a significant delay if something happened, and it doesn't sound like that would be pleasant at all.

If it were me, I wouldn't ship to italy. I have a strict no italy, brazil, or mexico rule when shipping anything.

I would suggest not sending it to Italy. Do not even agree to send it to this guy's sister. I've only heard bad things about Italy's postal service, and I personally know several eBay sellers who have had packages sent to Italy mysteriously disappear in transit.
And, to reiterate.

YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING.

[Dark_Sol]

I am with the naive i guess and still hope for the best.
I mean paying SO MUCH and trying to scam someone with EMS is extremely risky, almost dumb abd nearly impossible. I hope this guy just have no idea where's his game..

[eskobar]

Didn't the buyer had good feedback ????

I he is a scammer, at least a few negative feedback should be in his account ...

[Kitsune Sniper]

Didn't the buyer had good feedback ????

I he is a scammer, at least a few negative feedback should be in his account ...

Uh, we haven't been able to leave negs for buyers for a good while now.

A scammer can hide himself easily that way.

[eskobar]

Uh, we haven't been able to leave negs for buyers for a good while now.

A scammer can hide himself easily that way.

Damn it, you are right @_@

fuck ..... good luck, compadre :confused:

[Griking]

I hope that things work out for you. I'm glad to hear however that you fully insured the package. It may be a screaming pain in the ass to file a claim but at least you have the ability to do so. Question, did your shipping method require a signature or not? Can you access this signature? Also, in the event that the package can't be delivered is it set up to have it shipped back to you? I ask because of this guy really is out of the country on business he obviously wouldn't be available to sign for the delivery.

[Griking]

Sorry, no delete button.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I hope that things work out for you. I'm glad to hear however that you fully insured the package. It may be a screaming pain in the ass to file a claim but at least you have the ability to do so. Question, did your shipping method require a signature or not? Can you access this signature? Also, in the event that the package can't be delivered is it set up to have it shipped back to you? I ask because of this guy really is out of the country on business he obviously wouldn't be available to sign for the delivery.

Yes, I used Express Mail, and yes, it's supposed to get a signature upon delivery. But if you check the tracking codes I posted earlier, you'll see that the EMS code never had any other update after it left the country. So it's currently missing.

If the package can't be delivered, it'll be sent back to me.

I mentioned the package was marked as "delivered" by Customs on the 5th, right? Well, I just got this message from the buyer...

"I am remained to home till the 4.04.2011 before leaving I have said my mother to inform me of any package of United States. I have recalled my mother who has confirmed to me that nothing package has arrived of United States till today. Sorry for the question, but i have paid shipment traceble and you not know state of shipment, why?"

So if it was delivered AFTER he left... and it required a signature... oy. NO WONDER HE NEVER GOT IT. Either that or the post office is lazy and didn't actually deliver it.

I'm not sure what to tell him now other than "I've opened an investigation with the USPS, now we have to wait." I also want to tell him that if he opens a case against me and my PayPal is frozen, he'll never get his money back because I won't be able to repay it.

... I'm planning on going to my bank to request a small loan. IF he opens a dispute and they take the money out of my account, I don't want to be overdrafted. I'm not sure. :|

[Dark_Sol]

Tell him to ask his mother go and check or call local post office with those TWO codes you have. We are talking some decent money here, so unless he's a scammer it's his priority as well to find out where is it.
There's always a local postal service who is responsible for Express delivery such as Express Mail. IN russia it's EMS which is part of Russian Post, in USA it's USPS. In Italy i guess it's Poste Italiano.

I can absolutely say that with those two codes the package cannot be lost in Italy. It is indeed registered in Italy. They've scanned the CP there as it shows it's delivered in Italy. Without it being scanned it would have shown nothing.

How many feedback he has anyway?

[Kitsune Sniper]

Tell him to ask his mother go and check or call local post office with those TWO codes you have. We are talking some decent money here, so unless he's a scammer it's his priority as well to find out where is it.
There's always a local postal service who is responsible for Express delivery such as Express Mail. IN russia it's EMS which is part of Russian Post, in USA it's USPS. In Italy i guess it's Poste Italiano.

I can absolutely say that with those two codes the package cannot be lost in Italy. It is indeed registered in Italy. They've scanned the CP there as it shows it's delivered in Italy. Without it being scanned it would have shown nothing.

How many feedback he has anyway?

How much feedback? 647 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=vanadium505&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers).

But look at that - how is he leaving positives for items if he's not home? This just sounds super fishy to me... He's said that his mother is elderly and can't go to the post office, which is just making my alarms go off like crazy. He has to know SOMEONE who can go ask...

[megasdkirby]

... I'm planning on going to my bank to request a small loan. IF he opens a dispute and they take the money out of my account, I don't want to be overdrafted. I'm not sure. :|

Hold on. I dont think paypal is permitted to take out funds unless you agree to it, right?

[Kitsune Sniper]

Hold on. I dont think paypal is permitted to take out funds unless you agree to it, right?

I dunno! I just don't want to be screwed over if they do!

[Ryaan1234]

I dunno! I just don't want to be screwed over if they do!
Ummmm... No. He can open a case through Paypal, and after Paypal's investigation of the matter, if they rule in favor of him they will take your money. So yeah I guess they can "just take your money" but not at a drop of a hat or something like that.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Ummmm... No. He can open a case through Paypal, and after Paypal's investigation of the matter, if they rule in favor of him they will take your money. So yeah I guess they can "just take your money" but not at a drop of a hat or something like that.

So wait. I don't have ALL the money in my account. I only have like... $350 right now. If they freeze my funds, wouldn't that leave me unable to receive money or use it to pay for stuff via my PayPal debit card until I cover the rest of the money?

IF that happens then I can't do much of anything like selling because I wouldn't have any money to spend with the PP debit card (I can't use my bank one because of stupid limits.)

[Ryaan1234]

So wait. I don't have ALL the money in my account. I only have like... $350 right now. If they freeze my funds, wouldn't that leave me unable to receive money or use it to pay for stuff via my PayPal debit card until I cover the rest of the money?

IF that happens then I can't do much of anything like selling because I wouldn't have any money to spend with the PP debit card (I can't use my bank one because of stupid limits.)
Yes, you are correct. That's basically what will go down if he files a case. What I was meaning to say originally is that you won't just lose the money instantly, but they will put it on hold. I had a similar situation but for me it was a $100 item and I had.. well a lot more than that in Paypal so it wasn't an issue for me at the time.

EDIT: I believe they will take out the full amount, and if you only have $350 in your account then you would have a negative Paypal amount. You can still receive money but you can't spend any until you get it out of negative.

[Kitsune Sniper]

That's still $200ish I need to add into the account before I can do -anything- like selling stuff.. or pay my bills. I need to raise that money just in case.

[Market Man]

Kitsune's melodrama and constant misadventures continue to entertain me in a peripheral fashion, long after my private malaise of accumulating baubles has elapsed. That I can derive function and amusement out of continued patronage of Digital Press despite the focus of its discussion group no longer meshing with my personal outlook speaks of humanity's fascinating, downright prismatic array of curiosities and interests. Glimpsed from varying perspectives, the mundane can become characters of note. Kitsune Sniper is one such special person.

Whatever series of events culminated in Kitsune Sniper's formative years as an individual isn't necessary for speculation, the story as we know it unfolds already in progress and hits the ground running. Elegantly the flower blooms and we become intimately familiar with who he is, the rational, the impulsiveness, the tenderness. When Kitsune Sniper encounters serendipity, such as in chapter 27, The Discovery of Alice: An Interactive Museum, we share in his elation. When Kitsune Sniper unwittingly stumbles into the elaborate web of a cunning foreign terrorist, as in Chapter 35, Why You Shouldn't Ship To Italy You Dumbass, we fret and fidget alongside him as if his troubles were our own.

I found it increasingly difficult to put Kitsune's story down the longer I imbibed its prose, and can't wait to see what happens next!

Masturbating furiously unnngggg

[Market Man's Crotch]

Golly, Market Man! I just hope this story has a twist ending! Maybe the Italian deadbeat and Kitsune will fall in love! They can put Samurai Pizza Cats figures on their wedding cake!

[Kitsune Sniper]

Really, is that necessary? I'm only asking for advice here.

[Mayhem]

Holy user necro... anyhow... Market Man... calm down, just this time ;)

[Gameguy]

Isn't Nicola in Italy? Why not ask him for advise, he seems to get tons of rare stuff sent to him so maybe he's more familiar with the Italian post office than others who are posting here.

It could just be delayed for some reason at the post office, even for me recently it took over 4 weeks to receive a letter from Ottawa and that's in the same province as me(supposed to take 3 days). There might still be hope of it arriving.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Huh, so he is. I've sent him a PM, hopefully he'll reply.

And hopefully he can help me translate a message to the buyer, I don't think he's understanding me completely.

[Dark_Sol]

The buyer is indeed a huge collector of PC games. And he indeed has cash.

[Griking]

Ummmm... No. He can open a case through Paypal, and after Paypal's investigation of the matter, if they rule in favor of him they will take your money. So yeah I guess they can "just take your money" but not at a drop of a hat or something like that.

Actually as soon as he files a claim PayPal will put the money on hold until they hold an investigation which will likely take a month to resolve.


So wait. I don't have ALL the money in my account. I only have like... $350 right now. If they freeze my funds, wouldn't that leave me unable to receive money or use it to pay for stuff via my PayPal debit card until I cover the rest of the money?

Technically the can withdraw the money from a bank account if you have one attached to your account. If you don't then they may suspend your account until there's enough money in the account to cover the claim.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I went to the post office today and asked a clerk about the signature since Griking asked; and all Express Mail International shipments require one. So I'm starting to think it wasn't delivered because the postman didn't talk to the person who's on the actual address.

I've also asked a friend of mine who lives in Italy if she can help me by translating a full explanation of what's going on. She hasn't replied yet, but she should in a few hours. Hopefully he'll listen to her and not file a claim until the last possible minute so there's enough time for the USPS to finish their investigation. I don't care about a neg at this point. I just don't want my money or account to get frozen.

[pseudonym]

That's too bad Kitsune. I hope everything works out for you.

[Griking]

Any update?

[Kitsune Sniper]

I spoke to the buyer and he said he'll wait. I already told him that if the item is delivered before the investigation is done, I'll refund his shipping costs ($36 or so) but if USPS decides that the item is lost, then I'll file an insurance claim and give all his money back.

I just wish he'd get off his ass and CALL THE ITALIAN POST OFFICE TO ASK ABOUT HIS PACKAGE.

I asked my Italian friend to do call them for me. Hopefully she'll be able to do so, but I'm not keeping my hopes up, especially since tomorrow (today over there) is Good Friday and many Catholic countries don't even work on that day.

[Kitsune Sniper]

... Yep, it's lost. My friend called, and this is what she told me:


I just called. The operator told me that the package doesn't result present on Italian soil.

I told her that the custom forms say it was delivered, but she says that according to the EMS code it was never even taken in by the Italian Postal Service.

I told her that the package was sent over 20 days ago, how can it be that it's still in the US? She replied that she doesn't know, but she wasn't getting any results in the database.

I really think you should file an insurance claim.

Something tells me a postal worker saw the customs value and decided to grab it. Once I get the insurance money, I'm telling the guy to go to the cops and tell them to start looking into his local post office.

Edit: Actually, do you know how long can a buyer wait to file for "item not received" claim? PayPal says I have sixty days to refund the money, and I don't want to be unable to refund the guy's money if it comes to that. Yes, I know that sounds strange. :p

[megasdkirby]

Isn't it supposed to be 45 days to file a claim?

And in the future, NEVER AGAIN AND NO MATTER WHAT ship to Italy.

Better be safe than sorry.

[Dark_Sol]

45 days since payment to file a paypal dispute.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Isn't it supposed to be 45 days to file a claim?

And in the future, NEVER AGAIN AND NO MATTER WHAT ship to Italy.

Better be safe than sorry.

I've already blocked them from my auctions.

I'm definitely cooperating with PayPal whenever the buyer files a claim. I just want to have the money first, period. :p

Stupid USPS making me wait two weeks...

[megasdkirby]

I have a feeling that when you file the claim, you game will arrive back to you.

[Dark_Sol]

I've been working with Italy for over 2 years and didn't know it was such a postal crap. It looks like the rumors are true.
I wonder how is it possible to lose a fully insured express mail parcel. Tracking shows like it's vanished in Italy.
But i have a feeling that some scamming going on here. Someone intentionally didn't scan EMS tracking yet CP was scanned for some reason.
All postal operators (the one you called in Italy) operate local databases. So they just see what we see as well. It's kinda useless. We also see EMS code was not scanned there.There is a big chance it was just an italian postal error and it is indeed in Italy laying somewhere on the floor of a warehouse waiting to be scanned.

Basically once anything reaches destination there is an import procedure starts. If it does not start it means
a) it's still in transit (flying from a to b)
b) huge pile of shit accumulated at customs and it's somewhere in the back waiting to be scanned
c) it is a postal error when someone forgot something (sometimes parcels move in and out and it and out between sorting centers)

[Kitsune Sniper]

I think the package was indeed scanned at customs, but when customs gave it to the Italian Postal Service, whoever got the package (the driver?) stole it.

The friend who helped me just now told me that she just had a parcel stolen - a $6 item! And this is a born and raised ITALIAN.

This is pure bullshit.

And kirby, I doubt that will happen. If the package is booted back to the US, then it'll show up on the tracking system, I think.

[Dark_Sol]

Hmm.. OK if it's stolen. Stolen for what reasons? What should they do with it? a 10 year old pc game. It will only pop on ebay!
It was no scanned, Once it's scanned it can be seen as "import". And EMS code does not even show in italy!