The official Nintendo Switch thread

[Tanooki]

Meh!!

[Bojay1997]

No I just have a problem withyou and I feel no reason to waste brain power on anything other than flinging it at this point as nothing else clearly registers. You formed an opinion based on being a consumer and watching Nintendo from the outside. I put forth info both based on that video but also factual information from an employee who is a licensed developer working with the kits and knows as such far more than you or I about it. Yet somehow I am dead wrong and open to ridicule. So yes I am going to get shitty when I am effectively mocked and called a liar when I do not deserve it. It makes me wonder why bother even sharing info if crap is what Ill take for it. Effectively you made yourself to me the troll with the digging responses and behavior and that is that. I have no problem head to head with opinion but when I am given facts, and told they are not facts but lies and opinion and need to back off it I am going to get annoyed.

See it from my side if you are told something does X, the public does not know this and has opinions, you throw out some data, and I tell you youre wrong and history and opinion says this is the case or likely so... I am sure you would not appreciate it. Lets say you know someone at Apple and in the Spring next year they have an upgraded iphone7 coming with a 6core processor but know nothing else, and you share it among peoplehere. Then me or someone else comes along and says youre throwing around uninformed opinions or lies. I doubt youd be thrilled. You are trolling working to discredit facts as opinion. I have no issue with debate well beyond a lot into both of what we do not know but the few things I did learn that at the point of that information are fact and may likely remain so to the end I have an issue with it.

Yes, a developer who, if he has shared the information you say he did, violated an NDA that could subject him to civil and criminal penalties. Regardless, what you portray as "fact" is also that developer's opinion since you haven't shared information about specific components of the new console. Saying things like the Switch is more powerful than the Xbox One and PS4 is highly subjective. What measures are being applied?

On paper, the NVIDIA Shield (which by all accounts shares a design philosophy with the Switch) is a powerhouse, but its architecture has very real bottlenecks and shortcomings that prevent it from competing on par in a number of measures directly with consoles like the Xbox One or PS4. Similarly, your example of knowing the iPhone 7 has a certain processor is interesting and had you shared information about the Switch being based on certain components would have been "factual", but that's not what you presented here. You instead presented an opinion without any factual support other than that your brother told you so.

The Switch is apparently based around a SOC using the ARM instruction set and a custom NVIDIA GPU. That's a lot different than a more traditional and robust PC style architecture like the PS4 and Xbox One utilize. I'm sure by some measures, the custom SoC may meet or exceed the performance of the processor and GPU of the now outdated Xbox One and PS4. That doesn't mean that the Switch is going to be "more powerful" than those consoles as we don't know what specific architecture choices are being made and what compromises will be made to hit a certain cost point. It just isn't an "apples to apples" comparison. It's literally like comparing an iPhone or iPad to an iMac or MacBook.

The thing is, none of us other than you know your brother, nor do we know what level of access or experience he has in hardware design or performance. He may legitimately believe what he told you and it may even end up being pretty accurate. That doesn't mean, however, that all of us just have to accept it as fact, particularly when other reputable sources are saying different and contrary things.

[celerystalker]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/wtfih.gif

They got the itch to ditch the switch to bitch, which is a stitch.

Edit: I don't mean to exacerbate things. We're off the rails pretty good here, though.

[Gameguy]

I put forth info both based on that video but also factual information from an employee who is a licensed developer working with the kits and knows as such far more than you or I about it. Yet somehow I am dead wrong and open to ridicule. So yes I am going to get shitty when I am effectively mocked and called a liar when I do not deserve it.
Is this like when you knew an employee who worked on the Retron 5 and provided you with inside information? And a lot of that information was later proven wrong? I'm mostly remembering how he claimed the emulators were written from scratch, only it was later proven from other sources that the code was stolen, and he later claimed he didn't personally work on that part of the project for the console so he couldn't confirm it either way, etc. I don't want to read the entire Retron thread again to refresh my memory on the exact details but that's pretty much what I remember from it.

Anyway, if your source is working for a developer, how would he know what all the other developers are working on releasing? He would only know what his own company is working on. Unless he works at Bethesda how can he say Skyrim is coming out?

[bb_hood]

In light of recent developments I would like to say that I stand by my previous statement which is found on page one.
Thank You.

[eskobar]

Aside from the kids arguing, the thread is a great source of informed opinions.

Would be great to see Skyrim released on Switch and would be great that Bethesda finally can release a finished version :popcorn:

[Tanooki]

Meh!!

[celerystalker]

Does anyone else want to gang up on me at this point and further derail the Switch thread or would you rather make a new one or just bury it? Seems kind of shitty ruining this for the few others who still post here and want to talk about it.

Nope. Not sure why it started like it did here to begin with.

This thing is an interesting machine to me. I'm starting to get more curious as to what kinds of games will end up on it long term. There have been distinctly different styles of portable games from their console counterparts in recent years with a lot more 2D stuff. Playing that kind of stuff on my TV is appealing to me.

[Tanooki]

Because I can not back up what I am told because theres no way to pull any tangible proof given where it comes from and it rotted out from there.

As it is now I no longer will be helpful with things here since it gets me nothing but shit for it. Anything of benefit I had printed here I have access to is no more. And yes i did meh my posts here despite the fact some were quoted, do not care.

[eskobar]

My feeling is that Nintendo has aimed their consoles more and more at the casual demographic with each generation, leaving me less and less interested in the process.

The last 2 consoles (as well as the 3DS) are LOADED with shovelware, most of it child-oriented. Look in the online markets. You'll find WAY more pony training games than anything on the Virtual Console or major releases. Now the usual retort to this is "every console has shovelware. Even the NES had shovelware." This is true, but the ratio of garbage to something playable has been much higher than other machines on the market.

Even the first-party Nintendo games are less enjoyable to me these days (except Pikmin 3, which I adored). The 2-D and 3-D Mario games are so easy they practically play themselves. The levels are a breeze to zoom through, and the only challenge is collecting the star coins, which gets old fast. They're great for children, and can be a great game for families to en, but they don't challenge me at all, and the aesthetics are generally uninspired.

I have a deep love for many Zelda games, but the last few have been so similar (and quite frankly, uninteresting to me) that I don't have excitement for them anymore. Look at the ad for the Switch and the footage of Zelda it's showing on there. It's Link fighting dudes on horseback. We've had 4 or 5 games use this exact same premise since 1998, and it's getting old. And making it open world doesn't help much when the setting and core gameplay are the same.

Splatoon is child-friendly Call of Duty. True, the paint mechanic is original and fun for awhile, and I love the setting/language and little touches like the Famicom game when it's loading, but in general it's offering the same online competitive multiplayer that has been done to death. There's really not much innovation there. Competitive online multiplayer is big in the gaming zeitgeist right now. Making a game like this is like low-hanging fruit.

As far as you're hope for "smaller projects", don't count on it. Nintendo takes risks on hardware, not on games. Most of their cheaper titles suck or are rehashes of 30+ year old games. I've felt that Sony consoles have had the most varied and unique libraries since PS2. Sony was way more willing to take a risk on licensing odd stuff. In the PS2 era we had brilliant innovations like the Ico/SOTC games and Katamari Demacy. Gravity Rush is a commercial failure but is and amazing game (if you haven't played it, you should!) Sony Backed Rezogun, and the arcade series on PS4 is quite eclectic. They have City Connection and, Exerion, and now they're releasing obscure Nichibitsu games.

In the end, though, I find the best gaming on the PC. Steam and GOG are a goldmine of unique stuff. Momodoro is an amazing Metroidvania game, and Princess Maker 2 for the PC-98 just got remastered and put on Steam. The Umihare Kawase games are all on there too. There are very few console exclusives anymore. Even the games I bought a PS4 to play ended up on Steam eventually, and with some tweaking run much better.

PC gaming can be frustrating when shit doesn't work, but the end results for your investment are fantastic. My advice to anyone would be to build yourself a midrange PC. It'll probably still perform better than the consoles (especially since you can adjust settings depending on your taste for hi-res effects or a higher frame rate) and you'll have access to so much more.

In short, not only am I unimpressed with the switch hardware, I'm not even confident that Nintendo will be producing compelling software. They are so risk-averse that they've just been shoveling out rehashes (or remakes) of the same 5 or so franchises for the past 10 years.

Edit: These are my opinions and impressions, and I am not peddling them as facts. Also, sorry for the long post. But if Tanooki can do it, I can too ;)

I am a bit more interested in PC Gaming now, too many interesting stuff that can be easily published but I imagine the quantity over quality games is very similar on PC. I have problems with the current licensing options, not very fond of DRM and the new "service provider" trend on games that the companies can easily turn off your service whenever they want to.

I hope that Nintendo with the use of physical media can control the state of a released game and force companies to release finished games for a home console. I am tired of 6GB updates in the same week or month of release ... well, when I wrote 6GB its obvious that I don't own a PS4 where the updates are much bigger ...

Sony its still a player and I love that the can take a few risks, like The Last Guardian, they finally game Ueda San a bag of cash to finish the game and hope he can now have something to eat if the game does well in retail.


This is probably the last new home console that I will ever buy. Fortunately got my PS1, PS2 and still there are fantastic PS3 games ... hope to finally learn japanese to have a huge new library available on my Saturn and PC Engine Duo.

[theclaw]

Because I can not back up what I am told because theres no way to pull any tangible proof given where it comes from and it rotted out from there.

As it is now I no longer will be helpful with things here since it gets me nothing but shit for it. Anything of benefit I had printed here I have access to is no more. And yes i did meh my posts here despite the fact some were quoted, do not care.

It's not too late. Find some way we can use to identify the source, even if you can't yourself, then we'll investigate their reliability from there.

[FieryReign]

Again, where is the portability? Looks about as portable as a Virtual Boy or Nomad. Sony did this shit already. It's called Vita/PSTV and it failed miserably.

How the fuck is this thing impressive? Where's the dpad? Those look like buttons and not a proper dpad to me. Nintentards will pump their fists. Everyone else will wonder what they're smoking. Typical cocky-ass NOA.

March? My dick. Nobody believes that target date. It's simply impossible to roll out a console in that short a time. These motherfuckers can't even keep up with plastic figurine demand and are warning of classic mini shortages.

You really think they're capable of pushing out a new system in less than 5 months? Put the pipe down.

[kupomogli]

Again, where is the portability? Looks about as portable as a Virtual Boy or Nomad. Sony did this shit already. It's called Vita/PSTV and it failed miserably.

How the fuck is this thing impressive? Where's the dpad? Those look like buttons and not a proper dpad to me. Nintentards will pump their fists. Everyone else will wonder what they're smoking. Typical cocky-ass NOA.

March? My dick. Nobody believes that target date. It's simply impossible to roll out a console in that short a time. These motherfuckers can't even keep up with plastic figurine demand and are warning of classic mini shortages.

You really think they're capable of pushing out a new system in less than 5 months? Put the pipe down.

You should realize by now Nintendo shortages are all manufactured. While the Wii sold as much as it did, it was all because of manufactured shortages. Wii U sold like crap at even the beginning of the gen but it was a few weeks that it couldn't be found. Compare this to the PS4 which has been selling as much and at times even more than the Wii, but they've always been readily available. The only Amiibo's only have shortages for the ones Nintendo doesn't think will sell well, the more popular characters are easy to find, and the Animal Crossing ones that no one wants Nintendo made too many. How about Xenoblade Chronicles and the "shortages," but Nintendo kept releasing them on a regular basis. Devi's Turd even had manufactured shortages so Nintendo could sell more of the game than they would if they had a well enough supply.

If people think the item is going to be hard to get, they'll pick it up, and Nintendo often uses this tactic. Very often. They create fairly low print runs and they keep their games priced as high as possible, this way if the games don't sell as well as they expect, they discontinue them at full price rather than ever dropping the price. Nintendo isn't friendly, they're one of the most money hungry in the industry. The only plus side of them is they do make quality games for the most part. Imo, they're they've got the best releases now of the big three now days. Sony has better PS1, PS2, and PS3 games than the gens that coincide, but Wii U has better first party games than the PS4 imo. What does it matter though when the Wii U has no third party support, the only games on the Wii U aren't first party, so including Bloodborne, Uncharted, and LBP3, there are a large amount of third party games that dwarf the amount of content Nintendo had on the Wii U. The Wii U is my most disappointing console purchase, and I purchased the Vita, another Vita, and two PSTVs, didn't think anything would top that kind of disappointment.

[eskobar]

Again, where is the portability? Looks about as portable as a Virtual Boy or Nomad. Sony did this shit already. It's called Vita/PSTV and it failed miserably.

How the fuck is this thing impressive? Where's the dpad? Those look like buttons and not a proper dpad to me. Nintentards will pump their fists. Everyone else will wonder what they're smoking. Typical cocky-ass NOA.

March? My dick. Nobody believes that target date. It's simply impossible to roll out a console in that short a time. These motherfuckers can't even keep up with plastic figurine demand and are warning of classic mini shortages.

You really think they're capable of pushing out a new system in less than 5 months? Put the pipe down.

Hardware and software shortages are a common practice by Nintendo since the original Nintendo Entertainment System, always has worked for them, too bad for the people that has to spend more of the retail prices online to get a system.

In Mexico the retail price of the NES Classic will be MX$2000 (104 usd incl. tax) and several people of my twitter timeline are complaining but I and a lot more agree that the price is ok for our market ... and those people that complain about the price and will get their NES classic online are not accounting the shortages and quite possibly they have to spend much more to get it on christmas ...

[Niku-Sama]

I kinda get a feeling that this may be one of their more misleading in purpose thing l things.
Like that helmet thing they showed as their next console before the wii came out to just throw people off

[PizzaKat]

SO ive been following the news, rumors, leaks whatever but what are the thoughts of RAM being only 4GB. A lot of people stating what Sony and Microsoft have on their consoles which apparently is 8GB but the games only using 4GB and the rest being used for other applications

[Daltone]

Predictably - it looks like it's goodbyeeeeee for the WiiU - https://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/hardware/lineup/index.html

[theclaw]

Predictably - it looks like it's goodbyeeeeee for the WiiU - https://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/hardware/lineup/index.html

They're handling this a bit different for each region. It's ending in Japan first from the look of it.

North America is on the rocks, carefully phrased for a slim chance of more units next year.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-confirms-wii-u-production-ending-soon-in-/1100-6445320/

Despite the Internet rumor-mongering, Nintendo has yet to announce production ending in Europe, Australasia, South America, or anywhere else.

Edit: Then again the situation in Brazil comes to mind.
http://www.startlr.com/nintendo-plans-to-return-to-brazil-ensures-executive/

[FieryReign]

Flipping through the channels and seen the Nintendo rep guy on Jimmy Fallon showing off Super Mario Run. Looks like nothing more than a forced scrolling New Super Mario. I guess Nintendo invented the mobile runner game now?

Showed some of Zelda on Switch with Fallon acting like a complete tool. I thought he was going to kiss the rep guy on the lips. Doesn't look impressive or portable, I don't get it. The only neat thing about the presentation was Miyamoto sitting in with The Roots and playing the Mario theme.

[Graham Mitchell]

Flipping through the channels and seen the Nintendo rep guy on Jimmy Fallon showing off Super Mario Run. Looks like nothing more than a forced scrolling New Super Mario. I guess Nintendo invented the mobile runner game now?

Showed some of Zelda on Switch with Fallon acting like a complete tool. I thought he was going to kiss the rep guy on the lips. Doesn't look impressive or portable, I don't get it. The only neat thing about the presentation was Miyamoto sitting in with The Roots and playing the Mario theme.

I agree. I don't get the big deal. But if it plays metroid, I'm in.

[Niku-Sama]

I think miamoto sitting with the roots would be worth it

[Tanooki]

Yup it was, also him playing that kind of roman emperor thumb of disapp...approval! thing on Jimmy was funny enough.

I get it. It's really not hard at all to get the Switch unlike the WiiU. If someone fails to understand what they're after, it's just not meant for you and that's really about it. They know consoles are waning and they're getting out of it, just not entirely. They've created basically an android tablet that happens to have a built in normalized controller around it or breaks off it with a spacer, and it so happens can be docked into a slot that sends a higher resolution image to a full size TV. That's it. It's basically the Nvidia Shield 2 both tablet and microconsole rolled into one.

You have to love, like, or at least understand what Nvidia was doing with the shield to get the point and know that is what you're getting and it happens to be Nintendo branded with their IP exclusively thrown on there. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't try and be the baddest badass on the block. It tries to be the most common sense and useful tool in the shed who wants something that is a solid experience, something that doesn't just mind blow you to nuts with a bunch of fluff and foof, but does it by doing what it does itself best.

That's how I see it and I feel a lot of people do who aren't Nintendo crackheads, blinded haters, or corporate stooges or suck ups to the other guys in the same general space. If you go in expecting a box that'll rival the existing (non-pro) PS4/One experience you're likely going to look like an idiot and be disappointed. If you expect something somewhere between the last and this generation, closer to this one, then I think it's a bit more realistic.

[PizzaKat]

I'm anticipating the 12th of next month. If they have good games then I might bite, but I don't doubt them under shipping stores.

[Tanooki]

I don't either because the WiiU was shipped heavily because of the Wii shortage, and it took them a long time to sell through that crap because they bombed it hard by their own bungling of the device. Their next system, it was the New 3DS and then the NES Classic Edition and both have come up short, drastically more so the NES but also I think higher in demand as the New3DS was just an upgrade to most. Amiibo would be another example of their self made brutalization of their fan base.

[Bojay1997]

So further specs are starting to leak and unfortunately, it looks like a lot of the early rumors about the Switch being close in performance to the current Xbox One/PS4 generation were just plain wrong. In fact, in some respects it's less powerful than the Shield TV and performance takes a huge hit between mobile and docked mode meaning that some developers may choose to develop for the lowest common denominator rather than essentially creating two different game performance options. Pretty disappointed.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis

[Tanooki]

Seems to be still too much unknown as a whole lot of non-generic customizations are up to speculation with them repeatedly using the word 'assuming' or some variant of it. In the end their closing statement really is that it's impressive for what they know, temper expectations, yet it's in the end always about the games. If they games are worth it people will come, and if not, they're screwed.

[Bojay1997]

Yup it was, also him playing that kind of roman emperor thumb of disapp...approval! thing on Jimmy was funny enough.

I get it. It's really not hard at all to get the Switch unlike the WiiU. If someone fails to understand what they're after, it's just not meant for you and that's really about it. They know consoles are waning and they're getting out of it, just not entirely. They've created basically an android tablet that happens to have a built in normalized controller around it or breaks off it with a spacer, and it so happens can be docked into a slot that sends a higher resolution image to a full size TV. That's it. It's basically the Nvidia Shield 2 both tablet and microconsole rolled into one.

You have to love, like, or at least understand what Nvidia was doing with the shield to get the point and know that is what you're getting and it happens to be Nintendo branded with their IP exclusively thrown on there. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't try and be the baddest badass on the block. It tries to be the most common sense and useful tool in the shed who wants something that is a solid experience, something that doesn't just mind blow you to nuts with a bunch of fluff and foof, but does it by doing what it does itself best.

That's how I see it and I feel a lot of people do who aren't Nintendo crackheads, blinded haters, or corporate stooges or suck ups to the other guys in the same general space. If you go in expecting a box that'll rival the existing (non-pro) PS4/One experience you're likely going to look like an idiot and be disappointed. If you expect something somewhere between the last and this generation, closer to this one, then I think it's a bit more realistic.

I'm not following. Didn't your brother tell you that the Switch was on the level of the PS4/One more or less? How can you now be claiming that it's not? Is it possible you weren't telling us the truth or that your brother just didn't have the correct information? Since you have deleted many of your older posts in this thread, maybe this will refresh your recollection:

"As I have been told, it is on the level of the PS4/one more or less, not of their now and upcoming 4K and VR ready boxes. Fear not its not the PS3 again with the thing being totally in the dark. But also keep in mind that theyre not competing with the other two clown car shows out there now as theyre in the microconsole space with this."

[Tanooki]

I said they were led to believe it could be as good as that if I remember correctly. Whatever the case is, it'll either sell or flop again in the end. I don't remember writing that word for word, as you said I got fed up with the arguing and erased my posts. If it's nicer than PS3/WiiU good, if it's not as nice as PS4/One oh well. It just needs good games to survive and a good support system which on both parts WiiU lacked. With that, ninja magic or something, but I'm not going to get into another nasty back and forward over Nintendo of all things as they're not worth it anymore to me. They're not the company they once were under the iron fist of Yamauchi and they're worse off for it.

[Bojay1997]

I said they were led to believe it could be as good as that if I remember correctly. Whatever the case is, it'll either sell or flop again in the end. I don't remember writing that word for word, as you said I got fed up with the arguing and erased my posts. If it's nicer than PS3/WiiU good, if it's not as nice as PS4/One oh well. It just needs good games to survive and a good support system which on both parts WiiU lacked. With that, ninja magic or something, but I'm not going to get into another nasty back and forward over Nintendo of all things as they're not worth it anymore to me. They're not the company they once were under the iron fist of Yamauchi and they're worse off for it.


I'm sorry, but I have a real problem with you trying to disclaim your personal attacks on me and other participants in this thread by claiming you never said what I directly quoted you as saying. You specifically told us you had insider information from your brother that the Switch was near equal in performance to the current (non-Pro/Scorpio) versions of the PS4 and Xbox One. When some of us questioned those claims, you engaged in very offensive name calling and personal attacks, claiming that you were the only one that had facts and that we were unreasonable for arguing to the contrary. As it turns out, your statements were not accurate. So, given your track record, should we not believe anything you say going forward and when can those of us you personally attacked expect an apology?

[PreZZ]

I agree Tanooki acted like a dick right after i wrote about my concerns that might end in the final product. I wouldnt be surprised if i would be right in the end knowing Nintendo! Also changing all your replies to meh! makes you look like a 9 year old

[Daltone]

As I have been told, it is on the level of the PS4/one more or less, not of their now and upcoming 4K and VR ready boxes. Fear not its not the PS3 again with the thing being totally in the dark. But also keep in mind that theyre not competing with the other two clown car shows out there now as theyre in the microconsole space with this


I think that's very unlikely. It will probably be more along the lines of an enhanced NVIDIA Shield as it shares a lot in common with that architecture.

We have a winner?

[Graham Mitchell]

Maybe I'm late to the party but I've been watching some vids and seeing what people's concerns and expectations are.

From what i gather people are pissed because the Tegra chipset is maxwell hardware and for some reason they expect pascal...the equivalent of a GeForce 1080. Are they fucking insane? Why would anyone expect that? Video cards with that architecture currently cos $500 retail. Not even a PS4 has that.

The concerns that I do agree with are those about Nintendo's insistence on doing something weird with the hardware that discourages 3rd party publishers from taking a bite.

First off, the machine is underpowered at baseline compared to other consoles currently around. So devs will have to make a lot changes to port their games over to this thing. In addition, the power reduces by 40% when you undock the machine, so devs will also have to make their games stable after a significant power drop.

Nintendo does this with every machine they release in some way. And the notion that they are "not competing" with Sony and ms is misguided, as much as Nintendo chooses to it. They make video game machines. By definition they are in competition with other console manufacturers. And if no one wants to deal with the extra work required to port to their machine, there will be a small library, and small libraries don't sell consoles.

[kupomogli]

The Switch is indeed underpowered, it's not even twice as more powerful than the Wii U, so being a 9th gen console, the Switch is now two generations behind in power, but the plus side is that it's still a hybrid. As someone who likes consoles better than handhelds and would have purchased the Switch versions over the PS4 versions if the power was similar, that way I'd also be able to play both the portable and console versions but not have any performance issues over the PS4 version I now can't do that. However, the plus side is that there are still a lot of devs that have 3DS exclusives that will more than likely jump over to the Switch, Atlus is one for example, and those games will not be able to be played docked on the TV instead of only as a portable. Additionally, the system is still what's essentially a portable with the power of the Wii U as well, so in that regard there are still things to like about it.

Overall, I'm disappointed, but I'm still going to be getting one because while I do like consoles more, I also like handhelds as well. It's not going to be any time soon, I'm not buying into the console as soon as there's a minimum of 10 games I absolutely want to purchase, not just, eh I'm kind of interested so I'll pick it up and end with about 10 games like what happened with the Wii U. Not going to happen again where I feel like I threw my money away on a Nintendo product because Nintendo can't get any support.

That being said, based on how many Wii U and 3DS owners, as well as handheld fans, plus the uniqueness of a hybrid console. I predict this will sell anywhere between 40m - 70m, with a more absolute prediction of around 50m, so if my prediction is anywhere close to actual sales, it should see decent support.

[Graham Mitchell]

The Switch is indeed underpowered, it's not even twice as more powerful than the Wii U, so being a 9th gen console, the Switch is now two generations behind in power, but the plus side is that it's still a hybrid. As someone who likes consoles better than handhelds and would have purchased the Switch versions over the PS4 versions if the power was similar, that way I'd also be able to play both the portable and console versions but not have any performance issues over the PS4 version I now can't do that. However, the plus side is that there are still a lot of devs that have 3DS exclusives that will more than likely jump over to the Switch, Atlus is one for example, and those games will not be able to be played docked on the TV instead of only as a portable. Additionally, the system is still what's essentially a portable with the power of the Wii U as well, so in that regard there are still things to like about it.

Overall, I'm disappointed, but I'm still going to be getting one because while I do like consoles more, I also like handhelds as well. It's not going to be any time soon, I'm not buying into the console as soon as there's a minimum of 10 games I absolutely want to purchase, not just, eh I'm kind of interested so I'll pick it up and end with about 10 games like what happened with the Wii U. Not going to happen again where I feel like I threw my money away on a Nintendo product because Nintendo can't get any support.

That being said, based on how many Wii U and 3DS owners, as well as handheld fans, plus the uniqueness of a hybrid console. I predict this will sell anywhere between 40m - 70m, with a more absolute prediction of around 50m, so if my prediction is anywhere close to actual sales, it should see decent support.

Yeah, the way I really see it is that it's the successor to the 3ds that just happens to work on a tv. Given Nintendo's dominance in the handheld market for 2 decades (maybe even more?) that's probably what it's going to be. It makes sense. For a handheld it's a pretty nice package. There are many 3ds games I wish were consolized. I hate playing on that thing. Maybe this is the handheld I've been waiting for?

My stance is this, however : metroid or gtfo. It won't happen, tho. Metroid doesn't make money for them anymore. Just Dance outsold prime 3 like 10:1.

[FieryReign]

Was talking to the girl at a local Gameslop and she told me they started taking preorders for this thing today. They're going to be short in supply on these things too. Each store only getting a few dozen, maybe. How do you expect to make money when you can't even put a product on the shelf?

Retarded. Expect to see ebayers and craigslisters selling their preorder tickets for 3x the price. Should've preordered a couple myself to scalp motherfuckers and make a few bucks.

[Graham Mitchell]

Was talking to the girl at a local Gameslop and she told me they started taking preorders for this thing today. They're going to be short in supply on these things too. Each store only getting a few dozen, maybe. How do you expect to make money when you can't even put a product on the shelf?

Retarded. Expect to see ebayers and craigslisters selling their preorder tickets for 3x the price. Should've preordered a couple myself to scalp motherfuckers and make a few bucks.

I'm so over Nintendo. I didn't watch the live stream yesterday but my friends said it was abysmal.

[DOAsaturn]

Passed on the Wii U, but I preordered the Switch because I like the idea of portable console-quality experiences and want to support that effort. If Sony could do something like this (a fully realized PS4/Vita console combo) that would be unreal. I'd like to see Nintendo provide a bit more detail on its online offerings and whether there will be any type of trophy/achievement/game history/game sharing/etc system (I kinda doubt it on all fronts). Nintendo is hitching this launch to a Zelda title that is also releasing on Wii U, which seems extremely risky. I'm going to nab Zelda, Bomberman and maybe one of the racing games out of the gate.

I'm really hoping Nintendo embraces indie publishing like Sony has. If so, the Switch could be a great console to play and collect for. To truly thrive, though, it'll need AAA stuff, and I don't see big-time publishers going overboard for this console. I've seen EA release half-assed ports of FIFA on Nintendo consoles before, and this looks like another indication of that kind of tepid support. Skyrim is nothing to really go crazy about, its an old game that Bethesda is safely testing out the market by re-releasing.

[Bojay1997]

Was talking to the girl at a local Gameslop and she told me they started taking preorders for this thing today. They're going to be short in supply on these things too. Each store only getting a few dozen, maybe. How do you expect to make money when you can't even put a product on the shelf?

Retarded. Expect to see ebayers and craigslisters selling their preorder tickets for 3x the price. Should've preordered a couple myself to scalp motherfuckers and make a few bucks.

It really wasn't that hard to get a preorder. Amazon, Gamestop, Target and Best Buy all had them available for online orders last night into this morning. Gamestop got between 5 and 50 per store just for preorders today which is a lot compared to something that really was short stocked like the NES Classic and especially when you consider Gamestop alone has 4400 stores in the US. I doubt there's going to be much resale value over MSRP on these as the supply levels out in the next few weeks.

[Bojay1997]

Passed on the Wii U, but I preordered the Switch because I like the idea of portable console-quality experiences and want to support that effort. If Sony could do something like this (a fully realized PS4/Vita console combo) that would be unreal. I'd like to see Nintendo provide a bit more detail on its online offerings and whether there will be any type of trophy/achievement/game history/game sharing/etc system (I kinda doubt it on all fronts). Nintendo is hitching this launch to a Zelda title that is also releasing on Wii U, which seems extremely risky. I'm going to nab Zelda, Bomberman and maybe one of the racing games out of the gate.

I'm really hoping Nintendo embraces indie publishing like Sony has. If so, the Switch could be a great console to play and collect for. To truly thrive, though, it'll need AAA stuff, and I don't see big-time publishers going overboard for this console. I've seen EA release half-assed ports of FIFA on Nintendo consoles before, and this looks like another indication of that kind of tepid support. Skyrim is nothing to really go crazy about, its an old game that Bethesda is safely testing out the market by re-releasing.

Going region free and seemingly embracing indie publishers by doing physical versions of Binding of Isaac and Has Been Heroes are big strives forward for Nintendo in my book. I will say that I was pretty disappointed with the third party stuff from EA and Bethesda. I also just saw that Fifa is a port of the PS3/Xbox 360 version which is a good indication of what the relative ability of the Switch hardware is in connection with running current generation engines. Despite that, I saw enough last night to get excited and while I suspect this is going to be another WiiU software wise, I feel like for $300, I can get plenty of enjoyment out of it.

[FieryReign]

It really wasn't that hard to get a preorder. Amazon, Gamestop, Target and Best Buy all had them available for online orders last night into this morning. Gamestop got between 5 and 50 per store just for preorders today which is a lot compared to something that really was short stocked like the NES Classic and especially when you consider Gamestop alone has 4400 stores in the US. I doubt there's going to be much resale value over MSRP on these as the supply levels out in the next few weeks.

Check ebay, my friend. I've already seen talk of the preorders selling out already. Nintendo is weird.

[Bojay1997]

Check ebay, my friend. I've already seen talk of the preorders selling out already. Nintendo is weird.

Oh, I did. 1600+ listed, only a few sold and those that were went for barely over MSRP. Frankly, the Zelda Master CE is going far quicker than all those overpriced preorder listings for the actual console. This is similar to what happened with the WiiU. Preorders seemed to sell out immediately and then in the weeks leading up to launch, the supply situation became more loose as flippers realized it wasn't worth their effort and people released their second and third back-up preorders. The same will happen here.

[Tanooki]

I'm about the last person to jump on a special box set but that Zelda one was tempting, either. That safety case for the device is something I think is a wise grab and it looks nice, but if you're into old school or new Zelda that rusted well weathered Master Sword is a hell of an item sadly scalpers will be all over. They're gone now aren't they?

[kupomogli]

I didn't watch the reveal but checked out all the news of the reveal afterwards, and it's a big case of Nintendo being Nintendo. $300 for the console with no game. For a system that's over four times weaker than the PS4 and over three times weaker than the Xbox One, it just shows how much of a greedy pos company Nintendo is and always has been with their pricing. $70 for a Pro controller which is higher priced than both the PS4 and Xbox One controllers, and that's if they're not on sale, I don't think I've ever had an issue getting a new controller for $45 or less on the PS4 because they're almost always on sale(not going to happen with Nintendo, and if it does it'll be a rarity. $50 per Joycon or $80 for a bundle of two, and $20 for the center piece. System doesn't have an ethernet port, another piece of hardware you need to buy separately, but they want to charge for online. I'm surprised I don't have to purchase a power adapter to plug the pos in.

All of the above, I was like okay, no big deal really I guess, but it was the online that was really the thing that pissed me off. Now sure, I pay for PS+, but to be fair, I paid for PS+ long before PS4 required to play online, I enjoy getting the free games, completely worth it considering that you get five per month and some great sales. But with Nintendo, the fact that they don't even have ample third party support and they're expecting us to pay a yearly fee for onlline which might be just one or two games a year, or even one or two games period. Splatoon 2 despite having an interest in is it not even a blip on my radar any longer because of the forced online. I initially saw Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2 and I was like, hey, since it might not perform much better on PS4, maybe I'll just get the Switch version, but my opinion changed because of the online cost. With how bad their online infrastructure is for many first party games, Nintendo putting paid online in any form just shows how scummy the company is. In the original Splatoon there was a freaking four hour rotation before you could play two more maps. You couldn't even play with friends a good year after the game came out, because 90% of the time they were on the other team, and then when they patched it in later, it's on the match type that I didn't even like. Super Smash Bros for the Wii U lets you set up games with friends and only friends, so if you and a friend want to play versus randoms, go fuck yourself. The infrastructure on Nintendo's online is pretty much stuck in the mid 90s. If someone told you Nintendo was charging for online you'd thought it was a bad joke, but it's true.

That being said, if you look at the list of releases for the rest of the year, the release line up is worse than the N64s first full year. Most of the games are ports, many of them are niche titles that are already on the PS4. There are multiconsole games, and then the few exclusives are indie games, Mario Oddysey.

Another thing that pisses me off is the fact that this is basically killing the 3DS. Look at this game right here by Silicon Studios. Based on the graphics and the design It was clearly being made for the 3DS, but just so Nintendo can get another Switch game, they probably paid for it to be moved over to the Switch. I care about it simply because I love the 3D effect on the 3DS. If the 3D effect is actually good and doesn't cause strain to my eyes, I'll play the game with it on. It has a much better graphical appeal than better graphics, because of the depth. Thanks Nintendo for screwing people who own a past system of yours. Not like it hasn't happened before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Cz5IQ5bIg

That being said, I'll still be getting a Switch, but knowing Nintendo it'll be a Switch 2.0/XL/Whateverthefucktheycallit, the better version of the Switch with better battery life and numerous other improvements. Depending on the game I will pick it up for the Switch over the PS4, just as long as the PS4 performance and graphical quality of that specific type of game doesn't far exceed the Switch version. If it's a game I intend to play online, going to get it on the PS4.

This could have been such an amazing console if Nintendo didn't try to be Nintendo.

[Greg2600]

I think it's not quite right to compare its horsepower to PS4 or XBox One. This is a tablet after all! It's never going to be as powerful, and Nintendo can't compete with them anyway.

[FieryReign]

I'm surprised I don't have to purchase a power adapter to plug the pos in.

I wouldn't put it past them. Has it been confirmed to include a power source? Remember the New 3ds didn't include them. A ridiculous and unnecessary nightmare for customers who bought one, while trading in their old 3ds. I'm sure it wasn't very pleasant for game stores either.

When did they become so cheap and start to nickel and dime consumers? Are they struggling that badly? Or is it really greed and thinking their fans will blindly purchase anything with that logo on it?

[Bojay1997]

I think it's not quite right to compare its horsepower to PS4 or XBox One. This is a tablet after all! It's never going to be as powerful, and Nintendo can't compete with them anyway.

Nintendo is calling this a "home console" in their marketing materials that has the capability to go portable. As such, people are obviously going to compare it to the other home consoles out there, especially when it can only be played in mobile mode for perhaps three hours before it needs to be fully charged again for another three hours. The fact that it's not even close in capability to the current gen consoles doesn't bother me much, although I am bothered that a certain member here lied about the capabilities and attacked a bunch of us for properly questioning his false information. As long as there are great games, I will be happy.

[Greg2600]

If you're a first party Nintendo IP fan, the system is one you'll have to own, I'm sure. I am seriously considering a pre-order, which I haven't done in like a decade. My gaming has regressed in my older age, I prefer mainly the kinds that Nintendo makes! ha ha ha.

[Tanooki]

Wow I get shit for switch stuff, this is one big last 24 hours strain of truly sicky sweet positivity going on here. For what it is and the tech they've stuffed in there, licensing deals and contracts for the parts and others tech involved within I'm sure they're not making money hand over fist when this comes out, but definitely not taking a loss as they're not into that. A second controller in many cases isn't even necessary since the joy cons pop off like a pair of SNES controllers with an analog stick on it. Wouldn't be nice for a FPS game for certain, but much else it would be alright. It's just a closed Tegra tablet they're marketing as a home console that go portable so it's not like they're trying to usurp Sony or MS with this thing. Greg's right on both those last two posts on the nose.


And yes their own website lists a part listing. AC adapter with a USB-C cord on it is included, as is the HDMI cable. They may have pulled that shit with new3DS but they didn't on the Classic NES box from a couple months ago. It had a Lite-ON square adapter that you slide the plug jack onto and a usb port in the back for the micro jack to go into the NES deck itself. I was surprised but not as since you can slide that off they can use the same molding and swap out the power pins for the plug by region. I don't like being in their defense of voice of reason at this point in time since I'd like to cock punch them for the hundreds I wasted on the WiiU years ago.

[Bojay1997]

Wow I get shit for switch stuff, this is one big last 24 hours strain of truly sicky sweet positivity going on here. For what it is and the tech they've stuffed in there, licensing deals and contracts for the parts and others tech involved within I'm sure they're not making money hand over fist when this comes out, but definitely not taking a loss as they're not into that. A second controller in many cases isn't even necessary since the joy cons pop off like a pair of SNES controllers with an analog stick on it. Wouldn't be nice for a FPS game for certain, but much else it would be alright. It's just a closed Tegra tablet they're marketing as a home console that go portable so it's not like they're trying to usurp Sony or MS with this thing. Greg's right on both those last two posts on the nose.


And yes their own website lists a part listing. AC adapter with a USB-C cord on it is included, as is the HDMI cable. They may have pulled that shit with new3DS but they didn't on the Classic NES box from a couple months ago. It had a Lite-ON square adapter that you slide the plug jack onto and a usb port in the back for the micro jack to go into the NES deck itself. I was surprised but not as since you can slide that off they can use the same molding and swap out the power pins for the plug by region. I don't like being in their defense of voice of reason at this point in time since I'd like to cock punch them for the hundreds I wasted on the WiiU years ago.

Maybe you should take this up with your brother....if he even exists. Hard to know what's true about what you post given your history of lying.

[FieryReign]

I don't like being in their defense of voice of reason at this point in time since I'd like to cock punch them for the hundreds I wasted on the WiiU years ago.

Then don't defend them, this ain't nintendolife. Every console gets shit prior to release. Remember the xbox1? Folks bitched but still bought them.

I see a bunch of people with humongous complaints but still with the "I'll still buy it" at the end of numerous paragraphs. Ever heard of voting with your wallet? You keep buying the shit, they'll keep pulling the same shit they're feeding you.

Only reason I'd buy one is to resell it to a nintentard and make a few duckets.

[kupomogli]

I see a bunch of people with humongous complaints but still with the "I'll still buy it" at the end of numerous paragraphs. Ever heard of voting with your wallet?

To be fair, I said I'd buy it after a revision. It's going to be quite awhile before I buy it and depending on how things go in the future, that could be not at all, even if there is a revision. Basically it's going to be years before I buy it.

[FieryReign]

To be fair, I said I'd buy it after a revision. It's going to be quite awhile before I buy it and depending on how things go in the future, that could be not at all, even if there is a revision. Basically it's going to be years before I buy it.

Not pointing or singling anyone out. I'm seeing it everywhere. Not just this here. People say the same shit prior to every console launch.

This is just a pretty important one, because Nintendo's future depends on it. They half-assed previous console rollouts, always falling back on their handheld grip on the market. Now it's a gamble, pushing "all in" and trying to combine the 2, like they innovated the concept. Flat out lying to the pubic.

[Tanooki]

Maybe you should take this up with your brother....if he even exists. Hard to know what's true about what you post given your history of lying.

I had something here, but arguing with a lying raging cunt like yourself isn't worth feeding a troll. A troll that is strongly the reason why you don't see new people signing up anymore here because childish behavior doesn't keep people around.


Fiery fair enough and I do agree, it would be a money maker as there will be the inevitable panic.

I doubt they'd revise this thing probably until late life like the Wii. I think it would come down to what parts inside they could cut out or go cheaper with depending how the system takes or not. PRobably a price drop would be more likely. Nintendo never was for upscaling the guts of their systems internally much console side (which they seem to consider it) but with handhelds you did have GBC, the DSi, and the beefed up or dumbed down New3DS and 2DS.

[parallaxscroll]

Eurogamer / DigitalFoundry's take on Nintendo Switch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lyvgeJJw0


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-13-switch-clicks-in-the-hands-but-on-paper-its-in-trouble


Switch clicks in the hands, but on paper, it's in trouble
First impressions of Nintendo's hybrid.

You shouldn't judge Nintendo hardware until you've held it in your hands. The Kyoto company, with its dedication to the synthesis of software and hardware, has always revelled in the physicality of video games. It has habitually excelled at creating innovative, ergonomic and tactile kit that can surprise and delight, just through its design.

Nintendo Switch lives up to that heritage. On arrival at this morning's hands-on preview in London, I made a beeline for the Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild demo. It wasn't the game itself that interested me - it seems magnificent, but the demo contents were the same as the Wii U build shown at last year's E3 - it was the chance to experience Switch's party piece. I began playing on a TV, using a familiar Pro controller. Then, halfway through my time, I plucked the Switch from its cradle and, after a button press, instantly resumed the epic open-world game in handheld mode.


It is an effortless, magical moment - a great piece of technological theatre. Unlike its bizarre predecessor, the Wii U, the appeal of this feature isn't hard to understand or to communicate. And it's a very desirable gadget, too. The console itself, when removed from its plain-to-the-point-of-ugly dock, is beautiful. It's very slim but luxuriously large, and the screen is intensely bright and sharp; its 1280x720 resolution is more than adequate for its size. The image is vibrant and clear - if anything, Zelda displays more crisply here than on the TV. The console is light but not too light, having a pleasing heft. The materials feel high-quality, the sticks and buttons are perfectly placed, the tactile feedback is just so. It is very much a Nintendo console, but with its austere lines and glossy finish, it's clearly a Nintendo console that's been designed to compete with sleek tablets like the iPad Mini. On that level, it can hold its own.

A word, too about those detachable Joy-Con controllers. They are delightful. Yes, they are very small, though that didn't give me any problems. (I have slim but long-fingered hands.) I didn't try detaching them from or reattaching them to the Switch, but I did play several games that used them as freestanding controllers, and was surprised to find I loved them. They are capable motion controllers. They are bristling with buttons - not just the twin triggers on the top, but two more along the edge that are hidden when clipped into the Switch. Ergonomically, they feel much more natural than you'd expect, and in fact there's something very pleasing about the way they fit, dinkily, into your hands. Holding them pistol-grip style, as Nintendo's fun boxing game Arms asks you to do, feels great. The Joy-Cons are essentially miniaturised Wii remotes with added functionality - an extra button or two, improved rumble and, crucially, an analogue stick each - and as such they're hugely versatile, offering developers a wealth of options. The simple fact that every Switch comes equipped with two controllers for local multiplayer is certainly not to be sniffed at.

So far, so good. Switch is a clever bit of kit that feels contemporary but also quintessentially Nintendo, earning its place in the line-up of classics and oddballs, from Game Boy to GameCube, that were displayed at the entrance to today's event. It is the product of a unique company that designs games consoles to be part of the games they play - to change the context and possibilities of the games themselves - rather than as engines of brute computing power.


But, given what we've learned today about Switch, it looks increasingly likely that it will be the last of its line.

Very little about the way Switch is coming to market feels right. Software is the initial, glaring issue. It is a depressingly familiar situation for Nintendo fans: a thin smattering of very minor offerings from third-parties, some of them painfully late in the day (such as Skyrim, not due until autumn), which barely papers the cracks between the releases from Nintendo's own studios - studios that are being stretched pretty thin themselves. Switch's UK launch line-up of just five games must be the slimmest ever, and the star, Zelda, will also be available on Wii U. Super Mario Odyssey's end-of-year release is soon enough on paper, but right now it feels a lifetime away.


Then there is the aggressive game pricing. £60 for Zelda, a £20 premium over the Wii U version, which to the best of our knowledge is identical (though from what we've seen, it does run more smoothly on Switch). £50 for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, a port of a three-year-old Wii U game - a devastatingly good one, but still. £40 for 1-2-Switch, a collection of mildly amusing but totally throwaway party minigames that is more Wii Play than Wii Sports, and should have been thrown in free with the console. £60 for Splatoon 2, which barely qualifies as a sequel and is closer to being an expanded port of a game that cost half as much when it was released two years ago. It's just not on. There aren't enough games, and Switch owners will be gouged for the few that are released. (And for peripherals too - the second set of Joy-Cons you will need to play Arms in local multiplayer costs, wait for it, £75.)

The pricing of the machine itself you might describe as high but fair. £280 seems quite a lot, and compares unfavourably to the price of a PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. But then again, it's broadly competitive with other devices Switch is arguably competing with for parents' Christmas budgets, such as the iPad Mini. And Nintendo can't be blamed for the weak currencies that have inflated the console's price in the UK and Europe.

The above price comparison brings us to another uncomfortable truth, however. Nintendo is marketing Switch as a home console you can take with you, presumably to underline the fact that it provides a console-quality gaming experience on the move, which it inarguably does. But that pits it directly against PS4 and Xbox One, which are both cheaper and manifestly more capable. Experienced as a pure home console, Switch feels underpowered and outdated - a minor advance on Wii U, which was underpowered in its own day.

It is perhaps better to think of Switch as the ultimate luxury handheld, with a huge screen, bags of power, TV-out and support for local multiplayer on one unit. Or, perhaps, as a quirky alternative to those junior tablets, custom-designed for a great gaming experience. That seems like a fairer and more advantageous comparison, but it's a much tougher and muddier message to sell.

This isn't the only way in which Nintendo's plan for Switch seems like the slightly desperate design of a company that's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Wandering around today's event, it was obvious that Switch is bearing the brunt of all the company's various ambitions; that Nintendo needs it to be all things to all men, or at least all things to all market segments. 1-2-Switch is a clear play for the casual, party-gaming audience that the Wii so successfully won. Arms aims to combine motion gaming with the competitive edginess of Splatoon. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is a naked pitch to those who skipped the last generation of Nintendo console (The Last of Us Remastered-style). Even Zelda is slightly compromised. As impressive as it was in handheld mode, it felt like a slightly uncomfortable fit - it struck me as a game that had been designed for the big-screen experience and then magically miniaturised. Which, as a game that began life on Wii U, is exactly what it is.


What worries me is that that the pressure these teams will be operating under is intense. Nintendo wants Switch to synthesize its handheld and home console offerings. It also wants it to bring its casual and hardcore customers together. And, going by the pricing, it wants it all to happen now and make huge piles of money on the double - or else. I worry that it's too much for this machine to bear, and that it won't be given a chance to develop its own personality, or play to its strengths. More than that, I worry that the threadbare slate and eye-watering pricing will be off-putting, even - especially - to the diehard Nintendo fans who've bought half of these games before. Their loyalty, it seems, will be squeezed for every last drop, and in doing so it will be sorely tested.

I hope I'm wrong. Switch is a fascinating console - fun, innovative, unique, attractively designed, technically impressive in its own way, with a magical party trick and a compelling pitch. It deserves a better fate than the desperate, last-ditch mission Nintendo appears to be sending it on.

DigitalFoundry - Zelda: Breath of the Wild hands-on impressions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktFlmH_0CI

[kupomogli]

You shouldn't judge Nintendo hardware until you've held it in your hands. The Kyoto company, with its dedication to the synthesis of software and hardware, has always revelled in the physicality of video games. It has habitually excelled at creating innovative, ergonomic and tactile kit that can surprise and delight, just through its design.

Nintendo Switch lives up to that heritage.

Habitually excelled at ergonomic controls? Bullshit.

*edit*

So initially not reading it, I put that it looks like someone out to give Nintendo another glowing review, but does actually criticize them for price and graphics. They don't touch up on things outside of the price of just the Switch(except alluding to this being the Wii U once again,) but the criticisms they do give are valid.

//

Nintendo kind of put themselves in a lose lose situation with the price. Think about it this way. If you look at the system as a console, you're getting an underpowered console for the exact same price (or more depending on the area) you get a Xbox One S or PS4, not to mention you'll also get a vast library of games that are pretty cheap to buy right now on those other consoles rather than the pathetic line up that's full priced. If you look at it as a portable, it's a portable that costs the same amount as a console. Games that are now developed on a much lower portable console budget are now going to cost $60. This is ontop of Nintendo almost never lowering their prices for games. It's not really a good outlook for anyone who is looking for a cost efficient system to buy, the reason that a lot of parents buy handheld systems for their kids.

[Bojay1997]

I had something here, but arguing with a lying raging cunt like yourself isn't worth feeding a troll. A troll that is strongly the reason why you don't see new people signing up anymore here because childish behavior doesn't keep people around.



Says the guy who lied about the specs of the Switch, got caught in his lies and tried to delete all his posts, only to be too stupid to realize he had already had his posts captured as quotes. The bottom line is the only one here who is a liar is you and rather than have the dignity and self-respect to either apologize and admit your mistake or better yet, not come back, you have again doubled down on the name calling and attempts to shift focus away from your lies. But please, keep telling us about how new users are being scared away by people who have civilized discussions based on logic and don't use offensive language but are somehow going to be excited about sharing a forum with an uneducated, lying vulgarian such as yourself.

[BHvrd]

I liked the Wii U.

So far not interested at all in this system and see it as technically inferior in so many ways to the Wii U, and as far as judging it as a portable, lol, no...

Next...

[Tanooki]

Vulgarian sure, with you. Personally I'd love nothing more to see a self serving piece of shit with an agenda who lies to put themselves on a soap box before others brutally raped, beaten and left for dead as there is no place in the world for your type. I'd love nothing more than to see you fitted for a columbian necktie as you'd look good in it. I pulled back my snark last time but if you're going to persist pushing your bullshit, whatever and I don't give fuck all about the fall out from it either.

I've never lied once, you can't prove I ever lied either. Console development is fluid, any moron would know that, so what's that speak for yourself? Just because I get told something months ago, then shit changes, somehow that makes me a liar. Whatever makes you feel better so you can keep being a fucking troll. Assholes like you are why this place has died off, you're a prick and pricks drive people not to want to register or participate. You're refusing to use any logic, just smear and snark, larger words to look more intelligent than you are, then try and act all high and mighty when someone like me pops off at a troll being a troll.

I will NEVER apologize for lying as I did NOT lie. I don't owe you personally shit. Like I give a damn about your ideas of dignity on a dying outdated web forum. I saw you demanding satisfaction a month or two ago I just ignored it, but right now I don't care about that any more.

[Gamevet]

Don't let Bojay1997's troll antics get under your skin Tanooki. I figured out a long time ago that he was an ass.

[Bojay1997]

Don't let Bojay1997's troll antics get under your skin Tanooki. I figured out a long time ago that he was an ass.

I would assume you literally don't understand what a troll is if you think that someone like myself who shares opinions backed by facts is somehow a troll. I would also suggest you read the post from Tanooki above yours and give it some real consideration if you're the kind of person that thinks that kind of language and wishing people death as he has done here is ever an appropriate way to interact with another human being. It might be hard for you understand because he went back and deleted his posts, but he literally got into a fight with a number of us that simply questioned his claim that the Switch would be equivalent to the PS4 and Xbox One in technical capability. He claimed his brother had insider information and that anyone that questioned the truth of the information was a liar and wrong and had no right to a contrary opinion. Of course, as others pointed out, this isn't the first time he has made false claims about the capabilities of hardware and attacked people who pointed out that he is wrong. Again, I have no problem with someone getting something wrong, but going on the offensive and then not having the decency to admit the mistake and instead using hateful language is never an appropriate response. Of course, we now live in a "post-truth" society where people use misdirection and no longer believe that societal norms no longer apply, so I guess Tanooki may actually be the sad future of where we are headed.

[Gamevet]

Blah! Blah! Blah! Ass confirmed!


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

[bb_hood]

Vulgarian sure, with you. Personally I'd love nothing more to see a self serving piece of shit with an agenda who lies to put themselves on a soap box before others brutally raped, beaten and left for dead as there is no place in the world for your type. I'd love nothing more than to see you fitted for a columbian necktie as you'd look good in it. I pulled back my snark last time but if you're going to persist pushing your bullshit, whatever and I don't give fuck all about the fall out from it either.

I've never lied once, you can't prove I ever lied either. Console development is fluid, any moron would know that, so what's that speak for yourself? Just because I get told something months ago, then shit changes, somehow that makes me a liar. Whatever makes you feel better so you can keep being a fucking troll. Assholes like you are why this place has died off, you're a prick and pricks drive people not to want to register or participate. You're refusing to use any logic, just smear and snark, larger words to look more intelligent than you are, then try and act all high and mighty when someone like me pops off at a troll being a troll.

I will NEVER apologize for lying as I did NOT lie. I don't owe you personally shit. Like I give a damn about your ideas of dignity on a dying outdated web forum. I saw you demanding satisfaction a month or two ago I just ignored it, but right now I don't care about that any more.

Seriously guy, what is your deal???

[Tanooki]

Blah! Blah! Blah! Ass confirmed!


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Yup and he's so wrapped up in his behavior it has become normal. It's not so much he's getting to me, I don't put up being called a liar when I'm not being one. If I were then I'd be playing fun with it and admit it. Yeah I'm being nasty it's because I gave up caring, nothing more or less, so if I'm going to go out in a blaze of vulgarity I welcome it. Yup I erased my posts, just to screw with him trying to twist my words into lies, not that it did a lot of good as much of it was quoted anyways. I can't make it any clearer things change in development, if some company decides to save a buck and dumbs down some chip or some clock speed to fit their designs and budget, so be it. Gamecube did it months before it came out in 2001 (documented in the gaming press and online if you can find it) which sent Nintendo into overdrive to meet their launch as they didn't delay it. Same thing here it appears this go around. If that is a lie in someones warped sense of reality, so be it, but I'm not going to retract it nor admit to something I did not do (lying or a mistake) and if I get shitcanned mouthing off, fine.

[SpaceHarrier]

This thing looks kinda cool. I'll probably pick one up in a couple years when it is $250 and maybe has a pack-in title. Mario Odyssey looks neat, and while I was lukewarm on Zelda: BotW before, that newest trailer was pretty spiffy.

I'm pretty much over dedicated consoles, but the portability of this device sells me on it. By portability, I mean the ability to move around the house playing it, or at a friend's house (without lugging the console with it) not taking it out in public, on a bus or whatever.

[Cornelius]

Yup and he's so wrapped up in his behavior it has become normal. It's not so much he's getting to me, I don't put up being called a liar when I'm not being one. If I were then I'd be playing fun with it and admit it. Yeah I'm being nasty it's because I gave up caring, nothing more or less, so if I'm going to go out in a blaze of vulgarity I welcome it. Yup I erased my posts, just to screw with him trying to twist my words into lies, not that it did a lot of good as much of it was quoted anyways. I can't make it any clearer things change in development, if some company decides to save a buck and dumbs down some chip or some clock speed to fit their designs and budget, so be it. Gamecube did it months before it came out in 2001 (documented in the gaming press and online if you can find it) which sent Nintendo into overdrive to meet their launch as they didn't delay it. Same thing here it appears this go around. If that is a lie in someones warped sense of reality, so be it, but I'm not going to retract it nor admit to something I did not do (lying or a mistake) and if I get shitcanned mouthing off, fine.

If you gave up caring, just leave. No need to throw another tantrum and smash stuff on your way out.

Erased your posts to screw with him twisting your words into lies? What? That doesn't make any sense. Early in this thread people presented ideas counter to your own and you started name-calling instead of discussing the logic and relative merits of different points. There have been so many times where you've made it clear you have no concept of logic.

You aren't convincing anyone with your 'changes in development' excuse. Sure, it happens, but in this case your "insider information" conflicted with a couple independant reports of chipsets and design that were already available. You never addressed those or participated in the discussion others were having, you just in effect yelled louder "I'm right, you're wrong" and threw in some name calling. It is no wonder people consider you a liar when you are repeatedly wrong, double down and turn nasty, are later proven wrong, and then just blame others. Take some responsibility.


As for my thoughts on the Switch, I agree with a lot of the quoted article above. It is in a tough spot in the market. For me, on the go play isn't really something I'd use, so as a home console it is pretty underwhelming. I'm a fan of Nintendo properties, but am also a late adopter in most cases, so I'll likely get one of these down the road a few years when there are some games for it.

[Tanooki]

Because I'd rather get annoying like Fiery and a few others have done over time. Fair enough? I have a concept of logic, but there's no point on wasting it on whining bitches when all you get is mouthy push back so I push back as well. You can feel however you like, but at the point of time I was let on to something it was what was known to them. Stuff changes, if that's a foreign concept so be it but as it is I won't be apologizing for anything in this thread as it was right then or my attitude problem either. I'm just going to get as mean as I have it dished out at this point, that's why I said I don't care. Ignore me, ban me, whatever you like, but an apology isn't happening.

[PreZZ]

Good bye tanooki, wont miss you!

[FieryReign]

Does anyone actually carry portable systems out the house anymore? I've like never seen anybody playing a portable system when I'm out and about. Haven't traveled with one since the GBA SP. Only take my Gpd Xd to free wifi spots to download shit. And that's in a backpack.

This thing doesn't look like it will fit in people's pockets. Especially with the tight ass painted-on pants the younger people are wearing nowadays.
It's expensive as fuck too.

[Tanooki]

I would, and I do with Gameboy stuff usually, but the newer only during travel when I don't have to drive, and only if I have a game I'm into otherwise I see no point.

Prezz kisses

[PreZZ]

See? You can be nice! Kisses to you too!

[PreZZ]

Ive been burnt by n64, gamecube, wii and wiiu. Bought them all on launch day.
N64 was amazing at first when it launched with mario 64, it made me wonder how crazy good the games would be down the line, but no game was as good as mario 64 in the console's lifecycle (imo). Ps1 had a better game lineup and variety, even if 3d was worst than n64.
Gamecube had a few amazing games, like re4 and metroid prime, but nintendo cheaped out on dvd drive and ps2 and xbox games had better features like online gaming and dvd playback, and better 3rd party support.
Wii was just a repackaged gamecube specs wise, with motion controls. Half assed effort by nintedo with no hdmi or hd graphics, and gimmicky controls. Some good games came out but i just cant get into mario galaxy or skyward sword with motion controls, after 30 minutes i get irritated by them. And image quality is terrible and washed out.
Wii u... still an half assed console effort spec wise thats slighly better than xbox 360 released 7 years earlier. Tablet controller is bulky, battery drains in 2.5 hours, uncomfortable, and very few games found ways to use its features. 3rd party support is completely dead right after launch, purchases are not tied to account (again!?), lacking online features, 32 gb memory,poor controller (awkward joystick placement, no analog triggers make racing games impossible to play), ridiculous miiverse censorship, and i could go on and on. Competition has much better options and wii u's power should have gone neck to neck with ps4 xone.
And now switch... still got crappy useless motion controls that drives prices up, terrible launch besides zelda of course, overpriced, re releases of wiiu games, and again feels like a repackaged wii u in terms of power just lime wii with gamecube. Its weak as a home console, but powerful as a portable. But its just too bulky and not convenient like a ds, and home console gaming on small screen is not as good imo. New Zelda will have tiny hud and hard to read text on it vs a game like link between worlds that was perfect for.on the go gaming and 30$ cheaper too. Portable games have always been cheaper because they are easier to develop and graphics and development are less ressource intensive.
My point is nintendo never learns, they are stubborn and stupid. They still make great games, still love them, but cant support them anymore. Switch should have had a mario, zelda and metroid in the launch window, compete with ps4 in terms of power, transferable purchases tied to account, 500gb of memory minimum, ditch motion controls once and for all, get 3rd party to release all the big guns like ea sports madden nhl, bf1, cod, assasins creed to send a strong message to consumers that switch will compete.
Games like arms, 12switch, and rock paper scisoors and ice cube shaking demos convinced me not to buy this system, then regret it, again.
Nintendo had a chance to send a strong message to gamers saying "sorry, we're back!", but instead they just sent the message that they dont care about what we want. Nintendo being nintendo.

[YoshiM]

Does anyone actually carry portable systems out the house anymore? I've like never seen anybody playing a portable system when I'm out and about. Haven't traveled with one since the GBA SP. Only take my Gpd Xd to free wifi spots to download shit. And that's in a backpack.

This thing doesn't look like it will fit in people's pockets. Especially with the tight ass painted-on pants the younger people are wearing nowadays.
It's expensive as fuck too.

I do, but only in the confines of my office at work during my lunch break. However I really don't get much of a break other than to chew my food down while working. So my Vita lives in my desk drawer.

But hey, it left the house....

[FieryReign]

They're only rolling out 2 million at launch. It's now proven Nintendo is fake with these shortages. What does a fake shortage in March get you?

[Gamevet]

Does anyone actually carry portable systems out the house anymore? I've like never seen anybody playing a portable system when I'm out and about. Haven't traveled with one since the GBA SP. Only take my Gpd Xd to free wifi spots to download shit. And that's in a backpack.

This thing doesn't look like it will fit in people's pockets. Especially with the tight ass painted-on pants the younger people are wearing nowadays.
It's expensive as fuck too.

I was repairing a fiber optics connection to a golf pro shop at a golf course, and the manager had his kids there while he was waiting for my team to finish the repairs. The 4 kids had 3 cell phones and one ipad to play games on. They were passing the devices around between them to try different games. None of them had a traditional handheld gaming device to play games.

[kupomogli]

This thing doesn't look like it will fit in people's pockets. Especially with the tight ass painted-on pants the younger people are wearing nowadays.
It's expensive as fuck too.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--9xI305H6--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qdl3hemsbtm5mfzi8q3s.jpg