Ebay Classic Gaming Blacklist

[nebrazca78]

I have never dealt with this guy on DP but I did deal with him on eBay. Here's what happened:

So I guess most people are used to dealing with a lot of dipshits if selling on eBay. It's just a fact of eBay life. But every once in a while someone comes along who is so idiotic it amazes you. Currently this person is eBay user 2386pete. Unfortunately this person seems to have come across my auctions from right here at DP. What started as a simple complaint turned into an annoying joke. So it begins...

I sold this person a Sega CD game recently. The case was in rough condition so I listed it as being "acceptable", eBay's lowest condition rating. So the person gets the game and then they message me saying the condition "acceptable" is confusing and not specific enough. Still being civil at this point, I get back to him saying "Acceptable is the lowest condition rating eBay provides. eBay's definition of acceptable says that the item has obvious and significant wear. Not only that, an actual picture of the game was provided at the bottom of the listing".

He gets back to me insisting that no actual picture was provided. Anyone who has seen my auctions for the last 6 years knows there is always an actual picture of every boxed and complete game I sell. Not only that, the DP thread advertising the auctions also has pictures of the actual items. But I was still trying to be nice and I guessed it was possible that someone could have somehow missed both sets of pictures. To make things even a bit more complicated, those pictures have been taken down and I have uploaded pictures of my current auctions to the server which I explained to him.

That's when he started to get nasty and sent me this message:

Dear secretsintherocks,

What is true is that you are a scammer. There was never an actual pic, and to say you took it down is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
The correct way to describe this game would have been:
Rise of the Dragon for Sega CD. Game is as-is and untested. There is damage/chips to jewel case. With an actual pic, not the stock version you posted in the description.
I thought I would give you a chance, but you are ethier a liar or have the mental capacity of a 5 year old. Maybe...Maybe if I was the only one who had complained I would question this. You have MANY complaints (my fault for not checking prior)similar to mine.
FYI..Your retorts to the other complaints are childish and make no excuse for your actions.

- 2386pete


After seeing this message I realized the extent of this eBay user's madness. In his mind he can't even imagine that he made a mistake and somehow missed the large 800x600 pictures of the actual items. And he also can't imagine why someone would take old pictures down and put new ones in their place. Apparently it's the "most stupid thing he has ever heard". He also references the "many complaints" similar to his. Well he's right about that, there are a lot of dipshits out there and when you sell thousands upon thousands of games a year you will come in contact with them. People like 2386pete really need to OPEN their EYES. I can see how someone could contend that eBay's newish rating system could be more accurate. But to assert that I don't put pictures of the actual items in my auctions is ludicrous. That's why 2386pete is "The Ultimate Douche Bag". I have banned him from all current and future auctions, I suggest anyone who wants to avoid such a sociopath does the same.


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[Iron Draggon]

Well I was finally able to resolve my issue with eastcoastergamer and everything is OK now. It turns out that they had recieved a similar item from another seller the day before my item arrived, and they weren't aware their child had bought the similar item on their account, so they assumed the unmarked package from the other seller was actually the package I sent. Or so that's the story anyway, but at least now I don't believe this user was actually trying to scam me as I had previously thought, since they helped me get all the issues resolved.

(edited to reflect changes in the situation)

[raylydiard]

i sold a big lot of busted ps2 on ebay the buyer say's the consoles are broken and not useable i won this case he tryed it i cant remmber the buyer sorry i blocked him from buying from me and even tryed to sell a sat nav
never again too much hassle with some buyers.
i block buyers that try all the tricks i log all serial numbers if i where you and take pictures to show ebay if any one else try's it again




DO NOT SELL ANYTHING TO EBAY MEMBER eastcoastgamer! THIS PIECE OF WORK FILED AN "ITEM SIGNIFICANTLY NOT AS DESCRIBED" CLAIM AGAINST ME AFTER RECIEVING MY NEW/SEALED GAMEBOY PLAYER FOR GAMECUBE. HE SAID IT NOT ONLY WASN'T SEALED, IT MOST CERTAINLY WASN'T NEW, AND HE CLAIMS TO HAVE PICTURES TO PROVE IT TO EBAY & PAYPAL. WELL I'M SURE YOU CAN ALL GUESS HOW THE SCAM HE'S TRYING TO PULL ON ME WORKS: OBTAIN A USED GAMEBOY PLAYER IN POOR CONDITION AND THEN BUY A NEW/SEALED ONE FROM SOMEONE ON EBAY, THEN AFTER THE NEW ONE ARRIVES IN THE MAIL SWEAR UP AND DOWN THAT IT WASN'T NEW AS DESCRIBED BUT WAS INSTEAD A USED ONE IN POOR CONDITION. TAKE PICS TO "PROVE" THAT YOU RECIEVED A WORN-OUT ONE, GET A REFUND FROM EBAY/PAYPAL FOR YOUR TROUBLE, AND KEEP THE NEW ONE FOR FREE. THE SELLER HAS NO WAY TO PROVE THAT YOUR WORN OUT ITEM ISN'T THE SAME NEW ITEM THAT HE SOLD YOU, UNLESS HE HAS SOME WAY OF DISTINGUISHING HIS ITEM FROM YOUR ITEM THAT'S IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY EXCEPT FOR THE OBVIOUS DIFFERENCES IN CONDITION. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS HOW YOU GET SELLERS TO SEND YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SCREW THEM OUT OF AND GET TO KEEP IT ALL FOR FREE!

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

heavymetalsyndicate as of now is a non paying bidder on a large sega game lot I had posted. Won item lot on 9/04/10, and went with no contact until 9/9/10. Winner of auction stated they would submit payment by 9/10/10. No payment received. Non-paying bidder claim opened, if buyer pays will update status to reflect that.

[Tokimemofan]

I'd add something_classy to the list. Here is my exchange with this jerk note the fact that both exchanges were hours apart and was done via "ask a question" Item is a loose as is HIT-0400 Dreamcast BBA just to remove any ambiguity and he didn't buy the unit which is still for sale at this time.

Dear finalfantasyfan-1,
I see the broadband adapter is as-is, used, twice as expensive as a brand new bba, and unreturnable. Nice! Let me know if you fix the return policy and the price. Thanks!
- something_classy

Dear something_classy,
My prices are based on other sales of the same product in comparable condition. Most other sellers don't accept returns either or are selling at grossly overinflated prices. (ie $180-$200) Therefore I do not intend to change my policy or price.
- finalfantasyfan-1

Dear finalfantasyfan-1,
Ahh, that does explain why you wouldn't accept returns. Because other people, none that I have come across btw, don't do it. Let me know if you get up to speed before no one bids and the auction ends, and I'll be happy to buy
- something_classy

Dear something_classy,
Take your business elsewhere if you are so un-happy. I have never offered returns and never had a problem. You have been added to my blocklist because you seem to have a serious issue complaining about the same "problem". If someone else really has a serious problem with my policy i don't mind people asking about it if it closes the deal but I DON"T WANT to sell to YOU because you have been incredibly rude in both rants
- finalfantasyfan-1

[megasdkirby]

Toki,

He seems to be a bit cocky, and I completely understand you not selling to him. It may pretty much end up being a disaster.

However, I need to point out a few things, a bit of constructive criticism, if you will.


Most other sellers don't accept returns either or are selling at grossly overinflated prices. (ie $180-$200) Therefore I do not intend to change my policy or price.

Your item price is definitely comparable to others that are currently available or that were previously available. You state that others have inflated their prices. I was checking your listing and saw your shipping price:

Shipping: $20.00 Standard Shipping

Don't you think that's a tad high for something that will cost around $5 or less to ship? This could be a deterrent to possible future sales, as many can see this amount as overly excessive. In fact, another seller is offering the BBA at around the same price with $5.50 shipping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-Broadband-Adapter-HIT-0400-/180588274594?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item2a0be663a2

Yes, it has a BIN of $120, but a bid price of $100. With patience, the item can be won for $100 with $5.50 shipping.

EDIT: Yes, I know you state UPS as your shipping method. I know this is why shipping is a little higher. I checked online and from California to New York, shipping is less than $12. So $20 is still a tad to high.

You have all right to charge what you would like for shipping. But remember that some may see this as "fee avoidance" due to excessive shipping. Also, since it's high, possible potential sales may slip by because of this. Finally, the high price is a "negative feedback magnet", since a buyer can receive the item and complained that they paid 2x-4x higher for shipping.

At least for me, it's not worth the potential headache to deal with a buyer like that, so I place my shipping costs at exact costs. This is my opinion, by the way.


I have never offered returns and never had a problem.

Unfortunately, if you accept Paypal, you accept returns. Even though your TOS says differently, Paypal TOS trump your TOS and buyers have 45 days to file a claim. And if they file a SNAD claim, you will be forced to accept a return. It's unfair, but that's the "new" Ebay. :(

[ryborg]

So..... exactly WHY should I block this guy?

[Tokimemofan]

Toki,

He seems to be a bit cocky, and I completely understand you not selling to him. It may pretty much end up being a disaster.

However, I need to point out a few things, a bit of constructive criticism, if you will.



Your item price is definitely comparable to others that are currently available or that were previously available. You state that others have inflated their prices. I was checking your listing and saw your shipping price:

Shipping: $20.00 Standard Shipping

Don't you think that's a tad high for something that will cost around $5 or less to ship? This could be a deterrent to possible future sales, as many can see this amount as overly excessive. In fact, another seller is offering the BBA at around the same price with $5.50 shipping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-Broadband-Adapter-HIT-0400-/180588274594?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item2a0be663a2

Yes, it has a BIN of $120, but a bid price of $100. With patience, the item can be won for $100 with $5.50 shipping.

EDIT: Yes, I know you state UPS as your shipping method. I know this is why shipping is a little higher. I checked online and from California to New York, shipping is less than $12. So $20 is still a tad to high.

You have all right to charge what you would like for shipping. But remember that some may see this as "fee avoidance" due to excessive shipping. Also, since it's high, possible potential sales may slip by because of this. Finally, the high price is a "negative feedback magnet", since a buyer can receive the item and complained that they paid 2x-4x higher for shipping.

At least for me, it's not worth the potential headache to deal with a buyer like that, so I place my shipping costs at exact costs. This is my opinion, by the way.



Unfortunately, if you accept Paypal, you accept returns. Even though your TOS says differently, Paypal TOS trump your TOS and buyers have 45 days to file a claim. And if they file a SNAD claim, you will be forced to accept a return. It's unfair, but that's the "new" Ebay. :(


I did not set $20 shipping, That is a surcharge for Alaska and Hawaii and Puerto Rico (Which is why you are seeing that) where UPS charges are just astronomical and that $20 would probably cover only about 1/3 of my expenses. I always set a surcharge so that I don't end up spending money trying to get rid of something. For everyone else in the US shipping is free. It's a bit better than just blocking those users entirely. I also am rather understanding if someone has a problem after a package has arrived. I just want people to think for an extra second and make sure they know what they are getting instead of using the "I didn't read, return please?" excuse.

One thing that bothers me about this guy is the fact that his rant was completely unprovoked and he singled me out specifically. Was I just a convenient target? My primary reason for blocking him is that I need to sell this and can't afford to deal with the fallout if that guy chose the mutually assured destruction route on this one. (ie buying it just to give negative feedback, or worse filing a report to scam me)

Of course that PayPal thing is a ***** but is a necessary evil.

[ryborg]

Holy crap, it's a semi-snarky email. SOUND THE ALARMS. Who cares? His "rant" is all of 50 total words over two messages.

Quit using UPS and you won't have to charge some insane $20 fee for those three areas. Shipping via USPS there is roughly the same as mailing something two streets away (unless you're mailing something huge).

[megasdkirby]

Quit using UPS and you won't have to charge some insane $20 fee for those three areas. Shipping via USPS there is roughly the same as mailing something two streets away (unless you're mailing something huge).

I recommend this too. Just now I have an idiot refusing to send to me (PR) because his stated shipping was for "US and Canda Only". Funny thing is, he is shipping parcel posts and asks $9.92 for "Economy Shipping", which is Parcel Post (which is also stated). He wants me to send an EXTRA $10 to "cover shipping". What a complete idiot. Oh, and instead of responding via Ebay Messaging, he sends me an email. This is what he writes:

"the shipping was based on US bidders only

I cannot ship this item to you unless you add another 10 dollars for shipping. if you want i can refund your money"

Knowing all too well I need proof, I send him my response via Ebay Messaging. I told him about PR not being international, that it is a classic misconception, blah blah. I told him to use my zip code and to check online via USPS website to see that I was telling the truth. Hell, I even sent him the direct link with prices:

http://postcalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?m=6&p=2&o=0&dz=00956&oz=90006&pob=0&MailingDate=11/23/2010&MailingTime=8:00%20AM

I even offered to send an extra $2 for Flat Rate Priority Mail. One would think that this is all the proof one needs to see that I am telling the truth, right? Well, to the majority of sellers it is...but there are a special few out there that, even with concrete evidence, they still deny it!

Let's see what happens. If the seller refuses for whatever reason...I smell a neg coming...and a complaining seller trying to make me change feedback.

[Tokimemofan]

Holy crap, it's a semi-snarky email. SOUND THE ALARMS. Who cares? His "rant" is all of 50 total words over two messages.

Quit using UPS and you won't have to charge some insane $20 fee for those three areas. Shipping via USPS there is roughly the same as mailing something two streets away (unless you're mailing something huge).

I don't use USPS because around here they like squeeze, bend and mutilate packages to put it in the mailbox or drop the box on the porch rather than make a proper delivery, UPS did manage to run a truck over a camera that I RMAd but insurance covered it (That was what Polaroid said!) but they have yet to screw me. I have considered DHL though.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I don't use USPS because around here they like squeeze, bend and mutilate packages to put it in the mailbox or drop the box on the porch rather than make a proper delivery, UPS did manage to run a truck over a camera that I RMAd but insurance covered it (That was what Polaroid said!) but they have yet to screw me. I have considered DHL though.

Well, just because your local mailmen are utter morons doesn't mean the ones who will deliver the mail to your customer will be.

I usually avoid anyone who ships via UPS. It's way too expensive and I don't want to deal with their crap about my address not being valid.

[ryborg]

...or drop the box on the porch rather than make a proper delivery...

How is this not a proper delivery? Unless it's raining or you live in East St. Louis, what's the problem?

[Kitsune Sniper]

How is this not a proper delivery? Unless it's raining or you live in East St. Louis, what's the problem?

I think the problem is that the postman doesn't give the package to someone. He just leaves it. UPS does that too. If he wants someone to sign for it, there's always Signature Confirmation...

[ryborg]

I think the problem is that the postman doesn't give the package to someone. He just leaves it. UPS does that too. If he wants someone to sign for it, there's always Signature Confirmation...

I know, that's what I'm saying. That is standard protocol for ALL delivery services unless a signature is required. It's up to the carrier to make a judgment call to leave a notice if it's bad weather with no porch/awning, or if you live in a terrible area with lots of mail theft (thus my East St. Louis remark).

[Tokimemofan]

You both misunderstand they DROP it literally I have had several packages with smashed corners. For 99% of people I eat the shipping costs which are usually between $10 and $25, I refuse to eat a $40+ total, people make the choice to live in an expensive place and they can pick another one that doesn't tack on those fees I tend to sell things that are not easy to simply send along another one if there is a problem.

BTW something_classy did apologize so I withdraw him from this list.

[JSoup]

Strange, I've never had a box just tossed on my deck or something. If I'm not home, a note gets left.

[Kitsune Sniper]

You both misunderstand they DROP it literally I have had several packages with smashed corners. For 99% of people I eat the shipping costs which are usually between $10 and $25, I refuse to eat a $40+ total, people make the choice to live in an expensive place and they can pick another one that doesn't tack on those fees I tend to sell things that are not easy to simply send along another one if there is a problem.

BTW something_classy did apologize so I withdraw him from this list.

This is why I use boxes that are one or two inches bigger than the stuff I'm sending.

[megasdkirby]

I've rarely had banged up boxes, but it does occur every now and then. A box at least an inch bigger than the actual item on all sides, places with bubble wrap, helps maintain the items intergrity for the most part. Really fragile items....I usually use a bix at least double the size of the item with lots of bubble wrapping or peanuts.

[wingzrow]

Add kennylondonontario to your lists. I received a negative feedback from him. He wanted to return a mario party 3 I sold him because it has get this, a scratch on the sticker and " the cart rattles". After he told me this I let him know that it's going to be awhile before I can get him a return address since I just moved. Three days later he leaves me this feedback.

"Item was severely damaged, and seller made empty promises of a return. STAY AWAY"

Here's the item in question, at the very worst it was a "good condition" cartridge. I swear, some people.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380280295483

PS: what's the procedure for getting negative feedback lifted? Would there be anything I could do?

[ryborg]

Add kennylondonontario to your lists.

A terrible Canadian buyer? WELL I NEVER


PS: what's the procedure for getting negative feedback lifted? Would there be anything I could do?

You won't be able to get that "lifted," as in, ebay won't remove it themselves. You may be able to convince the buyer to remove it himself, but it will likely cost more than it's worth.

[megasdkirby]

Add kennylondonontario to your lists.

Looking at his feedback left, he seems to he a pain in the ass. Not one feedback he left was positive, but instead negative (two of them) and neutral (one of them). No positives whatsoever.

Under these circumstances, and reading previous cases (some of friends), there might be something you can do, though it's a long shot. Since the buyer not once has given positive feedback, it may show that the buyer him/herself has problems and not the sellers he/she rates.

Contact Ebay a few times and you might get someone kind enough to remove it. Say something like "malicious bidding" or something like that. At least for two cases I know personally (two friends of mine), this has worked. Though be warned: at first the representatives would deny your request so continue at it a few times.

[wingzrow]

Ok, just tried sending a request to eBay. I hope this works. I'm already at 99.5% because of things like this :(. How long does it take for bad feedback to rotate out anyway?

[ryborg]

Feedback % is based off of the last 12 months

[The 1 2 P]

I have another asshole to report. Add collector20102603 to the list. For people who have read the "problems with shipping to Mexico/Canda" threads you will recall that I said I've only had one package go missing to Canada and I've always had a funny feeling about that. But as it turns out the package was never "lost", just lied about.

One year ago I sent two factory sealed Legend of Zelda GBA games to Canada. I sent them to a guy in Canada named Bender23302008. And today I saw them listed on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Legend-of-Zelda-Classic-Series-factory-sealed_W0QQitemZ290503372113QQcategoryZ139973QQcmd ZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI% 26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid %3D5800040351558381713). The guy changed his screen name and is now selling the games he lied about never receiving.

Some might think that this is a coincidence but theres further proof: I got Zelda II from Circuit City and it had the price sticker in the same spot. I tried linking the original auction but ebay has purged it from their system. I still have the original emails this liar kept sending telling me week after week the game didn't arrive.

This is why I now require tracking numbers on everything because of people like this. I know it's been a full year since this incident but is there anything I can do as far as reporting him to ebay? What do you think Ryborg?

[wingzrow]

"collector20102603" doesn't show up as a valid person to block. Guess his account got deleted?

[Kitsune Sniper]

I can see it just fine. It's still active.

[ryborg]

Wow, that is some story. I would imagine that ebay/Paypal wouldn't do much, but you never know. It's worth a shot. Do you happen to have the original photos of your copies of the games? That would certainly help.

If they don't do anything and you're 100% certain those are your games, I'm not openly suggesting eye-for-an-eye internet justice, but I'd root for you to get your money/games back. Keep us updated.

[The 1 2 P]

I have another asshole to report. Add collector20102603 to the list. For people who have read the "problems with shipping to Mexico/Canda" threads you will recall that I said I've only had one package go missing to Canada and I've always had a funny feeling about that. But as it turns out the package was never "lost", just lied about.

One year ago I sent two factory sealed Legend of Zelda GBA games to Canada. I sent them to a guy in Canada named Bender23302008. And today I saw them listed on ebay. The guy changed his screen name and is now selling the games he lied about never receiving.

Some might think that this is a coincidence but theres further proof: I got Zelda II from Circuit City and it had the price sticker in the same spot. I tried linking the original auction but ebay has purged it from their system. I still have the original emails this liar kept sending telling me week after week the game didn't arrive.

This is why I now require tracking numbers on everything because of people like this. I know it's been a full year since this incident but is there anything I can do as far as reporting him to ebay? What do you think Ryborg?

Oh my Paul. I can't believe I'm actually going to say this but....this story may actually have a happy ending. After I made the above post last night I wrote the seller this message thru ebay:



I sold you these games a year ago and you lied and said they never showed up because I didn't have a tracking number. But it is the exact same item down to the exact price tag in the exact location. I have reported you to both ebay and paypal. They will be contacting you soon and I will be contacting your local authority once I find out the specific one in your province. Changing your user name from bendor to collector won't save you from your fraud.

Your only recourse at this time is to pay for the items you stole from me(by lying about them not arriving) or by returning them. But I will still go thru the proper channels of ebay.

And this was his response that I received when I got home today:


Im not liing the item is never arrived , but 3 month after buy them i received pacakage and when open them , it's the game im really surprise . anyway this is the real true fact i received them many time after buying and i forgot i much and wich is person i buy it ... but i know i received them really long time after buying ...


- collector20102603


So he admitted that he received my games and never sent payment for them after the refund(this is of course assuming he actually received them later than a month and wasn't lying the entire time). It might have seemed like a done deal but I had some more work to do.

I called ebay's customer service number today(two times) and after being on hold for extended wait periods I called paypal to try them instead. After running thru all of their automated answers I was then redirected to ebay and after waiting for about 15 minutes I finally got ahold of an actual live person. I told her the whole story but then I had to "prove" I was telling the truth, which wouldn't be easy because this happened a year ago and the item transaction no longer showed up. But there's another way that ebay can do a search: feedback left. The buyer left feedback saying(of all things) that the item never arrived and that he was refunded for the transaction. Now that we had proof of the original transaction I gave her the paypal transaction number that showed that he paid me for the item and then was refunded a month later(this was crucial because he never filled a case against me but after a month had passed and he said they still didn't arrive I agreed to refund him). Then I had to give her the auction link with my games he's selling. Finally, she went into my messages and read the above message he sent. So that was everything they needed for the Trust and Safety team to start their investigation, although she already told me that the outcome will be him having to return my games(or resubmit payment) or get banned. And his account has been flagged so they will be watching all of his future transactions.

I also had the original messages he sent saying the items never arrived but she didn't need to see those. Everything else I provided was sufficent enough evidence for my case. And I suppose it's a good thing I saw them last night because those original messages and the paypal transaction details expire in a year. So now all I have to do is wait for them to message me in a few days with the final outcome.

Atleast now I can say I never had any packages lost in the mail, except for a strategy guide I sent to Hawaii without tracking. I'm sure that one arrived too but it was only worth $5 so it's no big deal. Anyway, along with them starting a case they will be messaging the seller(if they haven't already) so I will keep you guys updated with what happens. I'm just glad I had enough proof to get the ball rolling.

[megasdkirby]

Good to hear, 1 2!

He dug his own grave with his comment. And I'm glad he did, too.

He also pulled the listing.

I have a feeling you will get your money back. I hope everything pans out in the end. :)

[JohnnyA]

Oh my Paul. I can't believe I'm actually going to say this but....this story may actually have a happy ending. After I made the above post last night I wrote the seller this message thru ebay:



And this was his response that I received when I got home today:



So he admitted that he received my games and never sent payment for them after the refund(this is of course assuming he actually received them later than a month and wasn't lying the entire time). It might have seemed like a done deal but I had some more work to do.

I called ebay's customer service number today(two times) and after being on hold for extended wait periods I called paypal to try them instead. After running thru all of their automated answers I was then redirected to ebay and after waiting for about 15 minutes I finally got ahold of an actual live person. I told her the whole story but then I had to "prove" I was telling the truth, which wouldn't be easy because this happened a year ago and the item transaction no longer showed up. But there's another way that ebay can do a search: feedback left. The buyer left feedback saying(of all things) that the item never arrived and that he was refunded for the transaction. Now that we had proof of the original transaction I gave her the paypal transaction number that showed that he paid me for the item and then was refunded a month later(this was crucial because he never filled a case against me but after a month had passed and he said they still didn't arrive I agreed to refund him). Then I had to give her the auction link with my games he's selling. Finally, she went into my messages and read the above message he sent. So that was everything they needed for the Trust and Safety team to start their investigation, although she already told me that the outcome will be him having to return my games(or resubmit payment) or get banned. And his account has been flagged so they will be watching all of his future transactions.

I also had the original messages he sent saying the items never arrived but she didn't need to see those. Everything else I provided was sufficent enough evidence for my case. And I suppose it's a good thing I saw them last night because those original messages and the paypal transaction details expire in a year. So now all I have to do is wait for them to message me in a few days with the final outcome.

Atleast now I can say I never had any packages lost in the mail, except for a strategy guide I sent to Hawaii without tracking. I'm sure that one arrived too but it was only worth $5 so it's no big deal. Anyway, along with them starting a case they will be messaging the seller(if they haven't already) so I will keep you guys updated with what happens. I'm just glad I had enough proof to get the ball rolling.

Wow, just wow. That is an amazing outcome. I have to say, I've been pretty happy with PayPal/eBay lately. Everything has gone my way with them lately.

[Apocalypse612]

Fierceproducts of eBay. He sells many games, I saw him selling an e3 Dragonquest IX Set with the Poster, T Shirt, and stickers I believe a while ago and I offered him I think 30$ when he has it listed for 50. Never sent items, kept putting me on hold saying that he sent them. This guy is a moron. He was just trying to drag me along to the 45 day period where ebay no longer covered me. Avoid this buyer at all costs.

[The 1 2 P]

He was just trying to drag me along to the 45 day period where ebay no longer covered me. Avoid this buyer at all costs.

I hope you filed a case before those 45 days were up.

[The 1 2 P]

Atleast now I can say I never had any packages lost in the mail, except for a strategy guide I sent to Hawaii without tracking. I'm sure that one arrived too but it was only worth $5 so it's no big deal. Anyway, along with them starting a case they will be messaging the seller(if they haven't already) so I will keep you guys updated with what happens. I'm just glad I had enough proof to get the ball rolling.

And just like that my games arrived in the mail today. They are still in the same condition but for some weird ass reason he tore the $4.99 clearance price tag off of the second game. The other price tag is still there but he shouldn't have touched either. Anyway, this is one of the rare times that ebay finally did the right thing for a seller instead of a buyer. So I suppose theres still hope for the rest of us.

[Kyle15]

Add "mxrb" to your buyer block lists! He bid on my Final Fantasy VII auction multiple times and eventually won. He wouldn't respond to my emails and never paid in the 8 days I waited. Not sure if this guy is a troll or what; he registered last January and has not received feedback at all.

This is a first for me! I've never had a troublesome buyer before.


And just like that my games arrived in the mail today. They are still in the same condition but for some weird ass reason he tore the $4.99 clearance price tag off of the second game. The other price tag is still there but he shouldn't have touched either. Anyway, this is one of the rare times that ebay finally did the right thing for a seller instead of a buyer. So I suppose theres still hope for the rest of us.

What an awesome story of "eBay Justice!" Almost too perfect, even.
I was able to smooth over some trouble a seller gave me back in 2008, and I almost got him in a similar manner.
Probably should have now that I look back on it....

[wingzrow]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160523346357&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

Member tckenno recently filed a case against me and won ( eBay siding with the customer? Unheard of! )

Apparently posting a listing of a replacement wii case with 5 pictures in HD, none of which are of a disc, and then listing the case under CASES, with a description that says " NO GAME INCLUDED under the disc's description is shady.

Lesson learned. I'm going to put CASE ONLY in all my listings for replacement cases from now on.

[The 1 2 P]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160523346357&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

Member tckenno recently filed a case against me and won ( eBay siding with the customer? Unheard of! )

Apparently posting a listing of a replacement wii case with 5 pictures in HD, none of which are of a disc, and then listing the case under CASES, with a description that says " NO GAME INCLUDED under the disc's description is shady.

Lesson learned. I'm going to put CASE ONLY in all my listings for replacement cases from now on.

It took me two views thru your listing before I saw the "no game included", mainly because I was looking for them to be written in a casual description kind of way. But it's still there so the only thing I would suggest is to put it in the title as well, or at the very least the subtitle. You'll still get idiots that complain but atleast this way you'll be covering all your bases.

[ryborg]

Lesson learned. I'm going to put CASE ONLY in all my listings for replacement cases from now on.

The buyer is definitely dumb, but this sort of thing is going to happen occasionally when you sell stuff like this. People don't read. Even if you put "NO GAME -- CASE ONLY" in huge red size 64 flashing letters, there's still a small chance some moron will buy it and expect a game. Happens to me all the time and Paypal/ebay will always side with the buyer.

[megasdkirby]

The buyer is definitely dumb, but this sort of thing is going to happen occasionally when you sell stuff like this. People don't read. Even if you put "NO GAME -- CASE ONLY" in huge red size 64 flashing letters, there's still a small chance some moron will buy it and expect a game. Happens to me all the time and Paypal/ebay will always side with the buyer.

Correct.

Even if you put it in the title, it won't matter. Buyers on Ebay can be dumb fucks.

Bregames is one that puts a JINGLE whenever a page is opening (kinda catchy, actually) stating that the game is NOT included. And they STILL get negged by stupid morons. Here is a sample:

http://cgi.ebay.com/GameCube-Legend-Zelda-Twilight-Princess-Box-Instr-/300373935492?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item45efae8584

And look at some of the negatives:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=bregamesmmcm3&iid=300373935492&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

Lot's of buyers to add to the BBL, though!

[wingzrow]

Aaaaand I'm at 99.3% now because of the negative feedback he left me. I love eBay.

[ryborg]

Aaaaand I'm at 99.3% now because of the negative feedback he left me. I love eBay.

It could be worse. A friend of mine has been unable to post more than 10 items a month on his main account due to a rash of negative feedback more ridiculous than yours. Two people left negs when the item didn't arrive in five days (on a holiday weekend of all things). One was a person who demanded a different size AFTER he made the purchase, paid and received it (my friend didn't have the size he wanted). One was from a multiple-item order where the buyer said items were missing (untrue). The last was some idiot out of the blue saying "NOT COOL" and nothing else. Clearly my friend is a terrible seller and should be suspended.

Unless you're losing privileges or discounts, feedback is pretty much irrelevant.

[JSoup]

It could be worse. A friend of mine has been unable to post more than 10 items a month on his main account due to a rash of negative feedback more ridiculous than yours. Two people left negs when the item didn't arrive in five days (on a holiday weekend of all things). One was a person who demanded a different size AFTER he made the purchase, paid and received it (my friend didn't have the size he wanted). One was from a multiple-item order where the buyer said items were missing (untrue). The last was some idiot out of the blue saying "NOT COOL" and nothing else. Clearly my friend is a terrible seller and should be suspended.

Unless you're losing privileges or discounts, feedback is pretty much irrelevant.

Feedback used to have more meaning, when buyers actively clawed through a sellers negatives before clicking bid. But that time seems to have passed, for the most part.

[ryborg]

Feedback used to have more meaning, when buyers actively clawed through a sellers negatives before clicking bid. But that time seems to have passed, for the most part.

While true, I think it's irrelevant for a different reason. As a buyer, a seller's feedback doesn't mean much, unless it's especially terrible. I'm willing to take a risk buying an item from a seller with sub-par feedback because I know if something isn't right, I can always get my money back. Just because a seller doesn't have 100% or even 95% feedback doesn't mean they are bad at selling or are trying to scam you.

[Kitsune Sniper]

While true, I think it's irrelevant for a different reason. As a buyer, a seller's feedback doesn't mean much, unless it's especially terrible. I'm willing to take a risk buying an item from a seller with sub-par feedback because I know if something isn't right, I can always get my money back. Just because a seller doesn't have 100% or even 95% feedback doesn't mean they are bad at selling or are trying to scam you.

True.

But having less than 100% feedback means that your listings will rank LOWER in eBay's search results. So it's not so much a matter of people actually avoiding less than 100% feedback sellers... eBay's just doing their damndest to hide them.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Sorry for the double post.

User: imakeice

The dude tries to lowball me and includes this in his offer:

You are trying to sell used (and already second hand), untested, 20 and 30 year old OS software for new-in-box modern OS prices. Welcome back to planet Earth, here is your offer.

To which I reply:

You want to offer $7.50 for floppy disks I have verified AND personally backed up in IMG format. Welcome to Planet YOU ARE BLOCKED.

Jeez. I wouldn't have blocked him if he'd only sent the offer... but that's just being an asshole.

[SparTonberry]

Bregames is one that puts a JINGLE whenever a page is opening (kinda catchy, actually) stating that the game is NOT included. And they STILL get negged by stupid morons. Here is a sample:

http://cgi.ebay.com/GameCube-Legend-Zelda-Twilight-Princess-Box-Instr-/300373935492?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item45efae8584


Honestly, as soon as I heard the music playing, I'd be muting it as fast as possible.
It just really bugs me when sites playing audio unexpectedly. It's just become a reflex over the years.

[megasdkirby]

Honestly, as soon as I heard the music playing, I'd be muting it as fast as possible.
It just really bugs me when sites playing audio unexpectedly. It's just become a reflex over the years.

I know, though originally they had no "jingle" in their listings. It was when stupid people started negging for their own actions that the company decided to place the audio file. And even STILL stupid people continue to bid.

[wingzrow]

Is there a way to find out if you've actually blocked anyone on your list from buying? I've got something like 100 blocked members because of this topic and am curious if this topic helped me dodge any bullets.

[Brett-Magnetic]

Unfortunately there are a lot of eBay sellers that don't left feedback after receiving payment. They wait you to give feedback first...
Feedback is not required by any party. Unfortunately sellers don't have a lot of power when it comes to selling on ebay, and waiting until the buyer leaves feedback seems like the only real power a seller will get. I find as a seller that if you leave feedback right away, the buyer will be a lot more likely to NOT leave feedback for you, and will also try to scam you because they got THEIR positive feedback already and they have nothing left to lose. Feedback is sellers only bargaining chip for getting feedback that they earned if they are a good seller! I do post in my auctions that I will leave feedback only after feedback has been left for me so they at least know(if they even bother to read my stipulations). Why would a seller leave feedback right away if they don't even know if the customer is honestly a good customer yet? Just because the customer paid for the item, doesn't mean that they aren't going to try and rip you off or lie when they get their item. I would feel very stupid leaving positive feedback for a buyer and then the buyer ends up being a big douchebag! Again, ebay sellers don't have very many rights anymore, and feedback is pretty much our only bargaining chip at this point. By the way, I always leave feedback the same day that one of my buyers decides to take the time to leave me positive feedback.

P.S. I try my best to always check everything I sell thoroughly before I send it and also describe it as accurately as possible, but I'm getting really sick of buyers who might have some issue for some reason and just leave neutral or crappy sounding positive feedback(ok, it's only happened like 3 times, but all the same) before actually trying to contact me! I will always work with a buyer if they write me first, but if your just going to be a selfish dumb@ss, I will probably not do a damn thing for you and will probably blacklist that buyer!! GIVE YOUR SELLER A CHANCE PEOPLE BEFORE LEAVING SH###Y FEEDBACK! You have a FULL 45 days to file a complaint with ebay and paypal about the user. How would you like it if this happened to YOU as a seller??

[JSoup]

If I buy something on eBay, I don't leave feedback until I get the product and I make that known. Only ever had one guy refuse to comply, which a simple reversing of the transaction and a swift blocking of the guy solved.

[Kitsune Sniper]

As I mentioned over (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1802568&postcount=55) at my Alice thread[/url], block skezer8u63. He's a seller, but he only has a ton of overpriced Apple / Apple II and Commodore games in buy it now format.

The reason I'm asking you guys to block him is the fact that he bid $500 on my auction and then retracted it ten minutes later, a few hours before it ended; he did that just to see how much people were bidding on it!

So I blocked him and sent him a message informing him that I reported him to eBay for doing this. And then he sends me a message with the following text:

"Heh, your good for a laugh....."

Grade A Douchebag.

[megasdkirby]

I knew it...his intentions were that of a prick.

Hopefully, Ebay will do something against him, at least a warning. But Ebay employees might be too damn stupid to even turn on a computer.

[Smashed Brother]

king_disciple08

This douche had been consistently bidding on the Mega Man Wily Wars repro that I have on ebay. He then, without any sort of notification, retracted all of his bids, which made a $40 difference. So I reported his ass and let him know about it, and what does he have to say? His excuse was that he 'didn't know that it was a repro' (this is clearly detailed on the page) and that he thinks it's funny that 'sellers get upset about such petty issues and report things like that'.

What a fuck.

[wingzrow]

Are you even allowed to sell repros on eBay? If you are I've got a terranigma cart I wouldn't mind getting rid of. I had it up for awhile but someone complained so I took it down fearing I might have been reported.

[Smashed Brother]

Are you even allowed to sell repros on eBay? If you are I've got a terranigma cart I wouldn't mind getting rid of. I had it up for awhile but someone complained so I took it down fearing I might have been reported.

Well, I've seen people list repros and make it to completion. I figure the only way it gets noticed is if some jerk complains about it....which will probably happen to my listing now that I've reported that fool for retracting his bid.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Are you even allowed to sell repros on eBay? If you are I've got a terranigma cart I wouldn't mind getting rid of. I had it up for awhile but someone complained so I took it down fearing I might have been reported.

Legally? Hell no. But there's tons of stuff on eBay that can't be sold there, but still does.

[wingzrow]

MEMBER: slidelljohn

Wow, so I throw my repro in my store and I get this guy...

"This item should be reported. Do you think it would be right for me to start making Donkey Kong Competition Carts and sell them on here for $500.00 NO. It is illegal to sell this game and it hurts the collectors. Think about what you are doing."

"Wow, I thought you would have gotten it the first time I told you.
If I see any more fake super nintendo games on here again I will be forced to report you with out giving you notice. This disgust me. You and others like you are ruing the collectors market for rare super nintendo games. If you do not respond soon I will report you. You need to understand the wrong that you are doing. Your actions will no longer be tolerated. I do not want to report you but I will if I have to. You need to stop this NOW!
"

Guess ile throw it on auction and get what I can with a single day listing ( game repros screwed up my label )

[pseudonym]

It's just a matter of luck if you manage to sell your repro on Ebay without people reporting your auction. I would wait a few days since these people seem to keep an eye out for your auctions and report them as soon as you relist.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Issue with reseller benbegins1 (http://myworld.ebay.com/benbegins1). He is a heavy reseller of Nintendo 64 related items. He has prior neutrals and negatives. My issue with him is in regards to him bidding and winning a item of mine, a N64 Ram Expansion Pak new and sealed. He knew the shipping amount listed in advanced before bidding, and did so anyway and won. Today he sends me messages stating he is refusing to pay for the item unless I ship it to him for 4-5 bucks and that I can pack it in a flat rate envelope.

For one, I cant do so, the items packaging wont even fit without being crushed, as it is in a blister pack, and two, he saw the shipping amount prior to bidding, which was to cover shipping in a normal box via parcel post. As stated in my auction details, and to him twice, if by chance the ebay calculator did over calculate the amount for shipping I would refund him the difference after it is shipped, but I am not eating shipping and handling cost.

He still refused to pay. He requested I send him a auction cancel notice, which at first I refused to do, but in light of how long a non-paying bidder complaint takes to finalize, opted to do so, and now he has not accepted it. So basically he is a crappy reseller, time waster, and non-paying bidder. If you are looking to sell your Nintendo 64 items, beware him placing bids on your auctions.

EDIT: Finally accepted the cancel transaction case he requested so it could be closed. However he then threatened to leave a negative feedback because I would not eat shipping cost for him, so I am handing him off to ebay trust and safety.

[wingzrow]

MEMBER:niduna

Tells me to ship to a different address, I say I can't do that. I ask if he changed his address to reflect the correct place to ship, says he did. Item arrives. Decided to send a refund ( 90 fucking dollars) because i can't risk any bad feedback or I lose my eBay store due to the 5 star rating dropping too low.

"I emailed you how many times that my address has changed to Castle Rock and you even confirmed that you understood this (after I made sure EBAY had my address changed too), but still you send it to my old address in Aurora.

There is no way I will be able to retrieve it from there, so I will open a case with Ebay on this as I now paid 90 bucks for an item that I will not receive.

I am very unhappy at this time."

[megasdkirby]

He will loose, or at least he should loose, wingzrow.

It may take a few tries, since most of Ebay employees clueless. But eventually one will be able to help you out.

[wingzrow]

Regardless if he would have lost he would have left bad feedback. I get bad feedback and I lose my premium store subscription.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

A update on "Issue with reseller benbegins1 (http://myworld.ebay.com/benbegins1)". It seems this guy has a prior history of winning auctions, then trying to scam sellers out of shipping and handling cost. Looked over his feedback he left other sellers, and a couple of their replies, there is a few on there showing I am definitely not the first person he tried his bullshit on it seems. Basically I guess anyone that does not give him his way, he leaves negatives or neutrals for automatically.

EDIT: Confirmed with prior sellers he had dealt with that he does indeed do this crap now and then. The ones that don't give in to his demands completely and sell to him get bad feedback. One seller in particular he dealt with prior had prepacked game lots that needed to ship separately. He had a hissy fit about that even though it was made clear about them being prepacked lots that could not be combined. He wanted the guy to combine them and lower the shipping quite a bit to a amount he specified. The guy did close to it, and even ate some of the shipping cost, a few bucks or so, and for his efforts he got left a crappy neutral on both auctions. The sellers that do give in do get positives, because they would rather eat the cost then risk the hassle and negatives, not knowing they can have them removed if he doesn't pay.

He ended up leaving me a negative and downrated my DSR, and ebay removed it and fixed the DSR after I called them.

[megasdkirby]

Report him as a competitor trying to do harm. Depending on the Ebay employee, they will help you.

[Kitsune Sniper]

As I mentioned over (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1802568&postcount=55) at my Alice thread, block skezer8u63. He's a seller, but he only has a ton of overpriced Apple / Apple II and Commodore games in buy it now format.

The reason I'm asking you guys to block him is the fact that he bid $500 on my auction and then retracted it ten minutes later, a few hours before it ended; he did that just to see how much people were bidding on it!

So I blocked him and sent him a message informing him that I reported him to eBay for doing this. And then he sends me a message with the following text:

"Heh, your good for a laugh....."

Grade A Douchebag.

An update on this guy... I got an email from eBay customer support!


Dear David,

Thank you for your email about the invalid bid retraction this member
may have committed. Contacting us about this situation was the right
thing to do. I hear your concern with this issue and would really like
to help resolve it.

We're always concerned about possible violations of eBay policy, and
we're grateful to our members for helping us spot problems so we can fix
them.

For privacy concerns, I can't share the results of our investigation
with you. But I can tell you that we thoroughly reviewed this situation
and have taken appropriate action. I hope this assures you that your
account history will also remain private.

He didn't get suspended, but at least he got yelled at by eBay!

[megasdkirby]

He didn't get suspended, but at least he got yelled at by eBay!

That's a canned response, Kitsune. Most surely Ebay did NOTHING to the buyer. They just said that they observed and took appropriate action on the subject...not once did it imply being a reprimand or against the other person. They could have investigated and think nothing happened, so their "appropriate action" is doing nothing at all, not even contacting the buyer.

If he did not get suspended, I doubt Ebay even contacted him. :(

[Kitsune Sniper]

It's a canned response? :(

EBAY, I AM DISAPPOINT. T_T

[Dark_Sol]

Well u sold it anyway. And it's all good, so why bother? btw you owe me feedback for Gobliins :)

[megasdkirby]

It's a canned response? :(

EBAY, I AM DISAPPOINT. T_T

I have reported several listings, ranging from obvious piracy to threats and insults to other members and to EBay, and the listings were NEVER taken down.

Honestly, I don't bother anymore.

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

Two winners of ebay items, rarismendez and floresjc17, are time wasters. Both are non paying bidders.

[Zama]

After reading through the experiences you all went through as both buyers and sellers, it made me sad to see that there are so many horrible people that are willing to screw over and insult good and honest people. :(

[Kitsune Sniper]

vanadium505 is a scamming asshole that tried to con me out of my copy of Alice An Interactive Museum (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151926).

Block his ass.

[wingzrow]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE

CUSTOMER REMOVED NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, I WAS NEGATIVE FEEDBACKED BY MISTAKE

(disregard the following )

USER: muffinlikescakes

"i've got nothing else to say. Thanks"

I have no idea what the problem was, i haven't even been contacted about this. You would think the feedback wouldn't be so vague.

[megasdkirby]

USER: muffinlikescakes

"i've got nothing else to say. Thanks"

I have no idea what the problem was, i haven't even been contacted about this. You would think the feedback wouldn't be so vague.

What exactly happened? Without this info, I don't see a reason to block.

[Ryaan1234]

What exactly happened? Without this info, I don't see a reason to block.

Well... Looking at the feedback in question (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=wingzrowdirect&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller) it appears the buyer left negative feedback, and if I'm guessing correctly...


I have no idea what the problem was, i haven't even been contacted about this.
...the buyer didn't contact wingzrow about it and just left the feedback.

I think this is pretty self explanatory. He is suggesting this buyer to be blocked because they didn't inform him of the problem and just left negative feedback. How would you like to sell something, the buyer have a problem, and then suddenly get negative feedback without knowing why you got that feedback?



If I may I'd like to explore the motive behind this vague negative feedback:

A) The buyer accidentally left negative when it should have been positive. (Hence why "i've got nothing else to say. Thanks" makes no sense in context, it could be intended as positive meaning "I've got not complaints. Thanks")

B) I noticed the buyer is located in Australia. Perhaps they made an ill-informed purchase and upon buying the game found it didn't work? That's not a fault of the seller because NTSC N64 games don't work in PAL systems.

C) Perhaps the game never arrived? Packages sometimes get lost on the way to an international destination.

In cases B & C the buyer STILL should have contacted Wingzrow. It's just bad form for a buyer to leave negative feedback while leaving the seller in the dark about why they received said feedback.